SLC... where art thou?

[PorkopolisPigskin]

SLC strolls into a loss and it gets me to thinking.. Is SLC down? Would it be better for the image of Texas football if SLC failed to win a state title this year? Lakeland knocked off St X in OT last year while St X was in a "down year", but they ended up going 10-2 and missing the final four... Is Texas ball overrated if their state juggernaut can't even win one game against good OOS competition in a game where you have 30k screaming fans? If that's not a home field advantage I don't know what one is... The beginning of the end for SLC? Will they get back to scheduling the same in state teams after their experiment failed?

[Chicago]

I read this too quickly.

I thought it said "SLCDad...where art thou?"

[PorkopolisPigskin]

that may have actually been a more appropriate title haha

[fish82]

I guess if SLC runs the table, that might set people talking about FL v. TX. But let's be realistic.....it's one game between 2 very good teams. Nothing more, nothing less.

[pied]

SLC strolls into a loss and it gets me to thinking.. Is SLC down? Would it be better for the image of Texas football if SLC failed to win a state title this year? Lakeland knocked off St X in OT last year while St X was in a "down year", but they ended up going 10-2 and missing the final four... Is Texas ball overrated if their state juggernaut can't even win one game against good OOS competition in a game where you have 30k screaming fans? If that's not a home field advantage I don't know what one is... The beginning of the end for SLC? Will they get back to scheduling the same in state teams after their experiment failed?

I don't know that the "experiment" failed.

They played on National TV twice and this past time in front of 32K people.

If used correctly, the result, although it certainly stings some, will help the team reach its long term goal of winning the state championship.

The game certainly identified and exposed certain weaknesses that will need to be improved as the season goes on.

There sure is a lot of crap said by meny Texas posters(as with all states) and some SL posters, but I don't think you have heard much from the staff or players that would indicate otherwise.

[WoodyHayes]

General conversation this morning at work was the best team won (true) It could have been worse (true) and those rich little wh--- boys embarrassed the whole state of Texas (also true)

[DLSfanNW]

Here are the highlights for those of us who do not get ESPNU

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2683109245544714418&q=southlake+carroll+football&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

[RidgePride]

This MNW team is one of the best to come out of Florida in a very long time. The Lakeland team of last year would lose to MNW by two touchdowns at least. IMO

Every big state has a powerhouse team that comes up once in awhile - 2007 MNW is that team in Florida. SLC losing to them does not mean anything in terms of which state plays the best football.
People from Florida act like this is the type of team they get every year. That is simply not true.

[Bordertown]

SLC strolls into a loss and it gets me to thinking.. Is SLC down? Would it be better for the image of Texas football if SLC failed to win a state title this year? Lakeland knocked off St X in OT last year while St X was in a "down year", but they ended up going 10-2 and missing the final four... Is Texas ball overrated if their state juggernaut can't even win one game against good OOS competition in a game where you have 30k screaming fans? If that's not a home field advantage I don't know what one is... The beginning of the end for SLC? Will they get back to scheduling the same in state teams after their experiment failed?

Who knows what SLC will do in the future. The state of Texas thinks they have a good team. You will not know how good a team they have until the season concludes. The same can be said for Miami Northwestern, but on Saturday they were the better team.

I want to compare the home field advantage of 31,896 fans supporting SLC. Home field advantage? Definitely. But how is this any different that the 2007 Herbie at Nippert. Every one of the Ohio teams had an advantage. But what I find interesting is one game in Dallas drew 31,896 versus four games at Nippert (including the highly acclaimed Colerain vs Hoover matchup) drawing 32,868 fans or 8,217 per game. The fact is Texas turned out for this manufacted event. If you were a promoter would you not look at doing more of these events IN Texas? Why would you ask a team like SLC to go out of state for a "suspect gate".

Food for thought. This is the precise reason the promoters did not want to move the game to the Bay Area for DLS.

SLCDad what did a ticket cost?

[consumerman]

General conversation this morning at work was the best team won (true) It could have been worse (true) and those rich little wh--- boys embarrassed the whole state of Texas (also true)

I do not think they embarrased the state of Texas

I do think they were reading too many of their press clippings, especially the perfect city USA debacle

the body language and facial expressions in those pics told me they were ripe for a beating, just a little too smug with themselves

and that happens all too frequently

[WoodyHayes]

People where I live hate Southlake. Nothing to do with money, we have wealth also. Has more to do with that smug little attitude that you aren't welcome in "our perfect little town" I went in to work this morning and thought people would be upset. Heck they were laughing their tails off.

[RidgePride]

People where I live hate Southlake. Nothing to do with money, we have wealth also. Has more to do with that smug little attitude that you aren't welcome in "our perfect little town" I went in to work this morning and thought people would be upset. Heck they were laughing their tails off.

I am not a Southlake fan either but I wanted them to win this one. SLC did not embarrass TX one bit. Even if they win the state championship MNW is just one of those special teams.

Lets not forget that SLC had 9 starters on Defense playing their 2nd varsity game going against a proven very explosive veteran offense.

Later in the season maybe they don't give up that 77 yard touchdown pass from a blown coverage.

[consumerman]

I am not a Southlake fan either but I wanted them to win this one. SLC did not embarrass TX one bit. Even if they win the state championship MNW is just one of those special teams.

Lets not forget that SLC had 9 starters on Defense playing their 2nd varsity game going against a proven very explosive veteran offense.

Later in the season maybe they don't give up that 77 yard touchdown pass from a blown coverage.

in my opinion the reason they lost the game was because the offense did not show up

1 good scoring drive

another small short scoring drive

and thats it

5 turnovers

no running game

qb harrassed

big hits

those were not casued by a new defense with new players

the offense did not show up

_____________________

and it was not ablown coverage it was an excellent designed play the qb looked off the defense rotated and tth epost-wheel play worked

not a blown coverage by young players

turn off the excuse machine

[SLCDad]

People where I live hate Southlake. Nothing to do with money, we have wealth also. Has more to do with that smug little attitude that you aren't welcome in "our perfect little town" I went in to work this morning and thought people would be upset. Heck they were laughing their tails off.

Do you realize that your feelings about Southlake are YOUR problem not ours? Southlake is a very welcoming city. The people are terrific. I went to parent's night for 9th grade tonight. The place was PACKED with involved and very good parents. You are the one with the problem, not Southlake.

[RidgePride]

SLC was playing cover 2. In cover 2 no man gets behind you on your half of the field.

There wasn't a SLC defender within 15 yards of the guy. I call that a blown coverage.

A better defense equals more opportunity for your offense. SLC's offense was not as productive because of the MNW defenders not because the offense did not show up.

If SLC's defense would have been as good as at least last years, the game is much tighter.

[SLCDad]

I do not think they embarrased the state of Texas

I do think they were reading too many of their press clippings, especially the perfect city USA debacle

the body language and facial expressions in those pics told me they were ripe for a beating, just a little too smug with themselves

and that happens all too frequently

Do you realize that picture was posed? They were told how to look. They were told what expressions to have. The cheerleader was Janelle Jacobson (McKay Jacobson's sister. McKay was 1st team all-state for SLC and graduated with honors early so he could join BYU spring football. He was a freshman starter at BYU last year and he is now a full time missionary for two years.) I've known the Jacobson family for many years since Janelle was a todler. They have six terrific kids. Their dad, Evan, told me all about the photo shoot. He was there.

You are being very judgemental from looking only at a picture.

The truth is, SLC got beat by a better team. MNW has extraordinary athletes.

I think SLC showed itself very well. SLC wouldn't beat anybody with five turnovers. Newton fumbled on the MNW six yard line (first half). Dodge was intercepted in the endzone (first half). SLC last three drives (when the game was on the line) ended in interception, interception and missed FG.

Despite the FIVE SLC turnovers, the stats for the game were amazingly close. SLC would lose to many teams if they had five turnovers.

After the game the MNW QB, Jacory Harris, said that his team had misjudged SLC. He said they were REALLY good. He is right. The Miami faithful were predicting a blowout. The facts are, the game wasn't decided until late in the 4th qtr.

[consumerman]

Do you realize that picture was posed? They were told how to look. They were told what expressions to have. The cheerleader was Janelle Jacobson (McKay Jacobson's sister. McKay was 1st team all-state for SLC and graduated with honors early so he could join BYU spring football. He was a freshman starter at BYU last year and he is now a full time missionary for two years.) I've known the Jacobson family for many years since Janelle was a todler. They have six terrific kids. Their dad, Evan, told me all about the photo shoot. He was there.

You are being very judgemental from looking only at a picture.

The truth is, SLC got beat by a better team. MNW has extraordinary athletes.

I think SLC showed itself very well. SLC wouldn't beat anybody with five turnovers. Newton fumbled on the MNW six yard line (first half). Dodge was intercepted in the endzone (first half). SLC last three drives (when the game was on the line) ended in interception, interception and missed FG.

Despite the FIVE SLC turnovers, the stats for the game were amazingly close. SLC would lose to many teams if they had five turnovers.

After the game the MNW QB, Jacory Harris, said that his team had misjudged SLC. He said they were REALLY good. He is right. The Miami faithful were predicting a blowout. The facts are, the game wasn't decided until late in the 4th qtr.


I dont disagree with much

SLC is a great program

they have good players

good facilities

good coaching

good system

they have proved themselves

unfortunatley they did not perform on their big chance at a national stage

thats too bad


I do disagree on the smugness

the article PERFECT CITY USA was in my opinion not a good thing and added to the smugness and reading your own press clippings

I think that attitude (called winners disease) contributed to the loss

[PorkopolisPigskin]

excuses excuses... is it that SLC had 5 turnovers, or was it MNW that forced 5 turnovers? SLCDad I'd like an honest answer to my previous question. Will it be good or bad for Texas football if SLC wins state?

[SLCDad]

I do disagree on the smugness

the article PERFECT CITY USA was in my opinion not a good thing and added to the smugness and reading your own press clippings

I think that attitude (called winners disease) contributed to the loss

How do you know they had "smugness" and "read their own press clippings"?

How do you know that? How do you know the attitude they had/have?

Honestly, how do you know this stuff?

[consumerman]

How do you know they had "smugness" and "read their own press clippings"?

How do you now that? How do you know the attitude they had/have?

Honestly, how do you know this stuff?

let it go

for once

enjoy your impressive winning streak

let it go

[SLCDad]

excuses excuses... is it that SLC had 5 turnovers, or was it MNW that forced 5 turnovers? SLCDad I'd like an honest answer to my previous question. Will it be good or bad for Texas football if SLC wins state?

If you look at each of the 5 turnovers you'll see that at least 3 were SLC mistakes and not really forced turnovers. Two exmples come to mind: Tre Newton fumbled on the six yard line. Yeah, he got hit hard, but any running back should be able to hold on to the ball in the open field. The hit wasn't THAT hard. Padron missed an open receiver in the endzone for an interception. Not forced either.

I think SLC will make a good run at the state title this year. If anybody thinks that one game (in week TWO for goodness sake) against a team like MNW is the basis for judging a whole state they are a fool.

I could argue that SLC is the 2nd best team in the USA. Any team in the nation would have their hands full against MNW which could be the most talented team in the history of Florida football.

(By the way, I posted about the huge MNW talent a couple of months ago. I was mocked for posting it, but I was exactly right.)

[SLCDad]

let it go

for once

enjoy your impressive winning streak

let it go

You are the one being judgemental in this case.

I ask you again:

How do you know they had "smugness" and "read their own press clippings"?

How do you know that? How do you know the attitude they had/have?

Honestly, how do you know this stuff?

Do you realize you are just guessing?


You've posted the same thing at least twice. I don't think you can back it up.

[consumerman]

You are the one being judgemental in this case.

I ask you again:

How do you know they had "smugness" and "read their own press clippings"?

How do you know that? How do you know the attitude they had/have?

Honestly, how do you know this stuff?



Do you realize you are just guessing?


You've posted the same thing at least twice. I don't think you can back it up.

third request

LET IT GO

you are not going to get your frustrations about the 5 turnover 0 point second half by arguing on internet chat boards

show some class for once

take your loss with class

quit arguing with everybody ON THEIR OPINIONS

I have opinions

so does the guy who criticized the community (WoodyHates?)

LET IT GO

[PorkopolisPigskin]

I want to compare the home field advantage of 31,896 fans supporting SLC. Home field advantage? Definitely. But how is this any different that the 2007 Herbie at Nippert. Every one of the Ohio teams had an advantage. But what I find interesting is one game in Dallas drew 31,896 versus four games at Nippert (including the highly acclaimed Colerain vs Hoover matchup) drawing 32,868 fans or 8,217 per game. The fact is Texas turned out for this manufacted event. If you were a promoter would you not look at doing more of these events IN Texas? Why would you ask a team like SLC to go out of state for a "suspect gate".

First off I completely undertsand the Ohio teams have a good advantage in the Herbie in that they are playing in state, and some teams in city games. That's not up for debate we see eye to eye. Certainly Texas loves its high school football, and I understand your logic, but that's not a fair argument. There's no part of Ohio even comparable to the Dallas-Ft Worth area in terms of pop. That's one reason for smaller crowds, but also I think that crowd was so huge because of the SLC winning streak, SLC "national championships", and of course because it was hyped up to be the greatest matchup in the history of high school football. Why isn't there a similar Texas v USA challenge? I don't know, it would definetely be more profitable than the Herbie. And like it or not I do believe that SLC is scared to go OOS to play a tough opponent. Reason? Fear of losing that streak... guess they didn't have to go OOS for that to happen.

[DLSfanNW]

SLC needs to go to Miami to get a rematch if they want their respect back.

[djtomr941]

SLC needs to go to Miami to get a rematch if they want their respect back.

I hate to say this but if they scheduled this game now, with all the seniors graduating, you would have a ton of transfers into MNW.

[SLCDad]

SLC needs to go to Miami to get a rematch if they want their respect back.

SLC is still the most respected program in high school football at the present time.

[RockinL]

I hate to say this but if they scheduled this game now, with all the seniors graduating, you would have a ton of transfers into MNW.

How many tranfers on this years MNW team? Is that pretty common at that school? If so, no wonder they have so many super athletes.

What I saw on TV was no ordinary 17, 18 year olds. They had some grown men.

Their coaching was also better than I had previously thought. With that kind of talent, it makes it a little easier.

[letharion]

SLC is still the most respected program in high school football at the present time.

According to you? Your shtick of living vicariously through your children's friends is so tired.

[consumerman]

SLC is still the most respected program in high school football at the present time.

well of course

the perfect city with smug little twerps taking pics and reading their own press clippings and people like you who tell them that nonsense

they were set up to lose exactly for the reason why you are posting this one sentence

next time try blocking tackling and holding on to the ball, and not telling these snot-nosed youngsters how perfect they are

[pied]

well of course

the perfect city with smug little twerps taking pics and reading their own press clippings and people like you who tell them that nonsense

they were set up to lose exactly for the reason why you are posting this one sentence

next time try blocking tackling and holding on to the ball, and not telling these snot-nosed youngsters how perfect they are


Did you read that article? Just curious. Seems to me like you saw the cover read the caption and logged into Yappi.

[consumerman]

SLC is still the most respected program in high school football at the present time.

actually SLC has their first chance to show the nation how they would fare against a top team from another state

and they failed miserably

had they won, they would have earned lots of respect

that they lost, and more importantly how badly they played, makes most people (non-biased homers) realize that they are not very good at all

and turn off the excuse machine

moving the ball between the twenties does not win football games

neiher does choking the game away with interceptions and fumbles inside the 10

[consumerman]

Did you read that article? Just curious. Seems to me like you saw the cover read the caption and logged into Yappi.

yes

i also saw the TONE of the article

and the body posture and facial expressions (how embarrasing) of the fb players pictured TOLD ME this team is ripe to get its lunch handed to them

and I knew it

anbd it happened

perfect city article was a HUGE MISTAKE and directly led to the attitude that got SLC its lunch handed to them

[SLCDad]

that they lost, and more importantly how badly they played, makes most people (non-biased homers) realize that they are not very good at all.

Not very good at all? Really?

The "non-biased homers" just ranked SLC as the #3 team in the nation.

[consumerman]

Not very good at all? Really?

The "non-biased homers" just ranked SLC as the #3 team in the nation.

1-1 and got their lunches handed to them on national television in their FIRST chance to prove themesleves

1-1 and looked horrible

didnt you start a thread about MNW giving up 41 points in a preseason game to a so-so FLA team

and how many points did SLC offense score??

41?

39?

37?

35?

oh 14. sorry

[Chicago]

SLC can have a new cheer.

Half of the fans can yell "We're number one."

And the other half can yell "In Texas."

At least for now.

[SLCDad]

SLC can have a new cheer.

Half of the fans can yell "We're number one."

And the other half can yell "In Texas."

At least for now.

At least SLC is better than your team.

[DLSfanNW]

yes

i also saw the TONE of the article

and the body posture and facial expressions (how embarrasing) of the fb players pictured TOLD ME this team is ripe to get its lunch handed to them

and I knew it

and it happened

perfect city article was a HUGE MISTAKE and directly led to the attitude that got SLC its lunch handed to them

I read that D magazines were placed in every MNW players hotel room. This probably fired them up even more as they had to have the lifestyle in Southlake rubbed in their face.

If this was intentional...thats low and not very bright.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/?p=11049

[SLCDad]

I read that D magazines were placed in every MNW players hotel room. This probably fired them up even more as they had to have the lifestyle in Southlake rubbed in their face.

If this was intentional...thats low and not very bright.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/?p=11049


"D Magazine" is a magazine published about Dallas. It's placed in hotels all over Dallas. It's loaded with information about restaurants and attractions in Dallas. I have no idea if the magazine was placed intentionally in the MNW rooms but I would be extremely surprised if it was. My guess is that the hotel puts a copy of the magazine in every room every month.

[Chicago]

At least SLC is better than your team.

Even you can do better than that (unless the game permanently ruined you).

Take a shot at the DLS financial aid program or something, maybe.

By the way, I don't have a team. I just like good high school football.

[pied]

I read that D magazines were placed in every MNW players hotel room. This probably fired them up even more as they had to have the lifestyle in Southlake rubbed in their face.

If this was intentional...thats low and not very bright.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/?p=11049

If I were the Bulls' coach I would have done it. The team needed some unity and this could serve as a spark.

[DLSfanNW]

"Why You Should Hate Southlake: Because the Kids Are Smarter, Stronger, and Better Looking Than Yours. And They Prove it Every Friday Night.'’

Probably just an ironic coincidence but not a good headline for the opposition to get before the biggest game in history.

I loved the picture of the guy holding the "free Lunch Menu todays special Dragon Stew."

http://www.miamiherald.com/908/gallery/238891.html?number=6

[Chicago]

"Why You Should Hate Southlake: Because the Kids Are Smarter, Stronger, and Better Looking Than Yours. And They Prove it Every Friday Night.'’

On Saturday nights, not so much.

[pied]

"Why You Should Hate Southlake: Because the Kids Are Smarter, Stronger, and Better Looking Than Yours. And They Prove it Every Friday Night.'’

On Saturday nights, not so much.

That was funny.

[SLCDad]

By the way, if any of you noticed a close-up of one of the SLC band percussionists during half-time, that was my daughter. She was standing in the end-zone with the SLC band before they played. She was laughing with her head tossed back. She was on-screen for about 10 seconds.

We saw her on the stadium screen. After it happened, she had several of her friends text-message her saying they just saw her on ESPN. She is a freshman.

[fish82]

By the way, if any of you noticed a close-up of one of the SLC band percussionists during half-time, that was my daughter. She was standing in the end-zone with the SLC band before they played. She was laughing with her head tossed back. She was on-screen for about 10 seconds.

We saw her on the stadium screen. After it happened, she had several of her friends text-message her saying they just saw her on ESPN. She is a freshman.

Very cool!!!!

[SLCDad]

A couple of more comments on the SLC/MNW game:

1. The 75 yard winning TD pass play to Streeter was called the "Southlake" by the MNW team. They picked up that play from watching SLC film. In practise they were running the play to prepare their defense. After seeing how successful it was, they decided to add it to their own playbook. They called it the "Southlake" play.

2. In a post game interview, Jacory Harris commented on SLC's size and speed. He said that MNW had underestimated SLC. He said that SLC was much bigger, stronger and faster than what he saw on film. He said he had to run whenever he got the ball. He said, "I run a 4.5, I can just imagine what they run."

[concha]

A couple of more comments on the SLC/MNW game:

2. In a post game interview, Jacory Harris commented on SLC's size and speed. He said that MNW had underestimated SLC. He said that SLC was much bigger, stronger and faster than what he saw on film. He said he had to run whenever he got the ball. He said, "I run a 4.5, I can just imagine what they run."

Very similar to Lakeland-X last year. Lakeland on paper, with their 10 SEC recruits, was supposed to be far bigger/stronger/faster. After the game they commented on X's "football speed". They had an All-American DT who was put on his keester several times by a junior o-lineman from X.

[Chicago]

I saw (2) coming while watching the game.

A lot of these top athletes are shocked when they encounter someone close to their own size, speed, or athleticism.

They are just not used to facing it.

So fast guys will be shocked to see fast athletes who may still even be a little slower than they are.

And big guys will be shocked to see big athletes who may still even be a little smaller than they are.

I think it happens a lot in games like this, for both sides. Obviously, most of the teams they play against don't have the athletic ability they see in games like this.

I remember Kareem (7'-2", I believe) saying that next to some particular 7'-0" guy, he felt small. To him, only being 2 inches taller was what small was. He had no other frame of reference, other than when he was much younger.

[pied]

By the way, if any of you noticed a close-up of one of the SLC band percussionists during half-time, that was my daughter. She was standing in the end-zone with the SLC band before they played. She was laughing with her head tossed back. She was on-screen for about 10 seconds.

We saw her on the stadium screen. After it happened, she had several of her friends text-message her saying they just saw her on ESPN. She is a freshman.

Hopefully she waited until after the performance to check her text messages.

[PorkopolisPigskin]

At least SLC is better than your team.

I have a hard time believing your a parent when you make comments like this... seriously, is that the best you can come up with?

[SLCDad]

I have a hard time believing your a parent when you make comments like this... seriously, is that the best you can come up with?

It's called sarcasm. I'll put a happy face in the post next time.

[WoodyHayes]

I will give an all expenses paid trip to East Texas where I live for DAD and 2 of his buddies. We will start off with breakfast at Whataburger and head off to check the hog traps. Heck well even take the dog (she only has 1 eye from a hog fight, no lie) After that we will go and try and catch us a few catfish as we slam a few Longnecks. After that we will go slam a few more Longnecks and if we have time, we will get cleaned up before we go watch little old Gilmer (with there 5 d-1 recruits) play a little football. Now to me that is a perfect day in a perfect town.

[SLCDad]

I will give an all expenses paid trip to East Texas where I live for DAD and 2 of his buddies. We will start off with breakfast at Whataburger and head off to check the hog traps. Heck well even take the dog (she only has 1 eye from a hog fight, no lie) After that we will go and try and catch us a few catfish as we slam a few Longnecks. After that we will go slam a few more Longnecks and if we have time, we will get cleaned up before we go watch little old Gilmer (with there 5 d-1 recruits) play a little football. Now to me that is a perfect day in a perfect town.

No thanks. Sounds awful. I'd rather spend a day with my wife and kids.

(Your post above explains a lot. Now I understand why you post what you do. It all makes sense now.)

[PorkopolisPigskin]

I'd rather spend a day with my wife and kids.

That sounds just PERFECT!

[BobcatBomber]

I will give an all expenses paid trip to East Texas where I live for DAD and 2 of his buddies. We will start off with breakfast at Whataburger and head off to check the hog traps. Heck well even take the dog (she only has 1 eye from a hog fight, no lie) After that we will go and try and catch us a few catfish as we slam a few Longnecks. After that we will go slam a few more Longnecks and if we have time, we will get cleaned up before we go watch little old Gilmer (with there 5 d-1 recruits) play a little football. Now to me that is a perfect day in a perfect town.

If SLCDad says I'm one of his buddies, can I come without him?! :cool: ;)

[consumerman]

No thanks. Sounds awful. I'd rather spend a day with my wife and kids.

(Your post above explains a lot. Now I understand why you post what you do. It all makes sense now.)

you can also go back in time and reread the article perfect city usa and pretend you didnt get your lunch handed to you on national television