Miami Northwestern 29, SLC 21

[Jesse]

Bulls take a knee on the Dragons 5 to end a good game marred by multiple turnovers by both teams.SLC left some points on the field, but make no mistake MNW is a good team.Had this game been played in the Orange Bowl, I believe Carroll may have been embarassed. Never thought MNW could turn the ball over so many times and beat SLC.

As an aside the game was very clean with sportsmanship demonstrated by both teams.
First downs MNW22 SLC 15
Rush yards MNW 99 SLC 25
Pass yards MNW 255 SLC 265
Penalty yd NMW 45 SLC 35

[Hurri-Comet]

Congratulations to Miami Northwestern, ending powerhouse SouthLake Carroll's 49 game winning streak tonight in S.M.U.'s stadium in Texas, and gaining top spot in USA Today's and Sports Illustrated polls. Believe me, this was a wonderful accomplishment considering what this team and it's school have been through since winning state championship in Florida last season.

Well deserved Bulls! :cool: State of Florida salutes you all.

[RidgePride]

MNW was the better team...Period.

They are loaded at every position. SLC's 5 turnovers did not help much but MNW created some of those.

The one thing I can say is that this Florida team is one of the best out of Florida in a very long time.

I doubt this will be SLC's best team of the last 5 years.

[consumerman]

MNW was the better team...Period.

They are loaded at every position. SLC's 5 turnovers did not help much but MNW created some of those.

The one thing I can say is that this Florida team is one of the best out of Florida in a very long time.

I doubt this will be SLC's best team of the last 5 years.

time will tell

as SLC has never played a good team from another state this game speaks volumes

[RidgePride]

time will tell

as SLC has never played a good team from another state this game speaks volumes

It hasn't spoke volumes yet. Lets see what they do the rest of the year.

[naughty]

It hasn't spoke volumes yet. Lets see what they do the rest of the year.

excuses excuses. It as spoke volumes. To slc fans. You have a fine team. But as i said the defense was the downfall. The offense scored like i said they would.

[RidgePride]

excuses excuses. It as spoke volumes. To slc fans. You have a fine team. But as i said the defense was the downfall. The offense scored like i said they would.

Not an excuse at all. I said MNW was the better team. How is that an excuse?

How loudly this win speaks can only be determined at the end of the year when we find out how good SLC is in TX.

How can you disagree with that?

[consumerman]

It hasn't spoke volumes yet. Lets see what they do the rest of the year.

you are missing the point

winning games in texas proves nothing

losing to an out of state team when you had the home field advantage and were ranked #1 and had a 49 game winning streak but have yet to prove yourself against any other top teams from outside texas DOES speak volumes

[St.X fan2]

I think SLC is a great program but the only knock on them is that they haven't ever really played any big name out of state teams until this year (MNW).

[RidgePride]

you are missing the point

winning games in texas proves nothing

losing to an out of state team when you had the home field advantage and were ranked #1 and had a 49 game winning streak but have yet to prove yourself against any other top teams from outside texas DOES speak volumes

They were ranked number 1 based on what they did last year. They lost almost the entire defense and faced one of the best teams from Florida in a very long time. MNW did not beat the 2005 or 2006 SLC. Time will tell how good of a 2007 SLC team they beat.

I give MNW respect because they beat a very good SLC team. Are they the best in TX this year? We will see.

Euless Trinity was beaten badly tonight by Odessa Permian 30-3. And they were probably the second best team in TX LAST YEAR.

I would love to see a MNW vs ST. X match-up. From watching both, I would give the edge to MNW.

[Jesse]

MNW was the better team...Period.

They are loaded at every position. SLC's 5 turnovers did not help much but MNW created some of those.

The one thing I can say is that this Florida team is one of the best out of Florida in a very long time.

I doubt this will be SLC's best team of the last 5 years.


Lakeland 2005 had similar talent and top shelf coaching along with better overall execution plus that word so overused by some around here "discipline".So I don't think you have to look too far in the rearview mirror to find another Florida team capable of riding the Bulls for 4 qtrs.Lakeland had a productive passing game, devastating running game, and a dog mean defense with enough speed to prevent many of the big plays MNW hit tonight.

Many people in Dade feel BTW is a more complete team although slightly less gifted than MNW and is capable of upsetting them although BTW is 5A.

[consumerman]

I think SLC is a great program but the only knock on them is that they haven't ever really played any big name out of state teams until this year (MNW).

perfectly said

[RidgePride]

Lakeland 2005 had similar talent and top shelf coaching along with better overall execution plus that word so overused by some around here "discipline".So I don't think you have to look too far in the rearview mirror to find another Florida team capable of riding the Bulls for 4 qtrs.Lakeland had a productive passing game, devastating running game, and a dog mean defense with enough speed to prevent many of the big plays MNW hit tonight.

Would have been a great game vs SLC.

I think SLC 2005 was their best team. Better than the 2006 team and the 2007 team.

[djtomr941]

Lakeland 2005 had similar talent and top shelf coaching along with better overall execution plus that word so overused by some around here "discipline".So I don't think you have to look too far in the rearview mirror to find another Florida team capable of riding the Bulls for 4 qtrs.Lakeland had a productive passing game, devastating running game, and a dog mean defense with enough speed to prevent many of the big plays MNW hit tonight.

Many people in Dade feel BTW is a more complete team although slightly less gifted than MNW and is capable of upsetting them although BTW is 5A.

BTW is 4A. It will be them and Armwood in the semifinals. The winner wins state.

Lakeland last year had no QB. The year before they had Billy Lowe who was great. 2005 was Lakeland's best team.

[Jesse]

BTW is 4A. It will be them and Armwood in the semifinals. The winner wins state.

Lakeland last year had no QB. The year before they had Billy Lowe who was great. 2005 was Lakeland's best team.


2005 was the Lakeland team I was referring to.Easily a better team than 06.

[SLCDad]

Congrats to MNW. They were the better team. They have tremendous athletes. Lots of size and speed.

A few of thoughts on the game:

1. Crowd of about 32,000 was terrific. We had great seats on the 45 yard but we arrived at the stadium 1 hour and 45 mins early. That was the largest regular season crowd in Texas history AND the largest crowd that any Florida HS team has ever played in front of.
2. I don't ever recall SLC giving up 5 turnovers and a punt snap over the punter's head. However, MNW should take credit for a few of the TOs. SLC normally makes very few mistakes.
3. The pace of the game was very frustrating to SLC. I'm not sure you could see that on TV. SLC was anxious to get into their up tempo offense but they couldn't do it. All of the TV time outs combined with all of the stopages due to MNW players getting cramps really took SLC out it's game.
4. MNW was extremely athletic. The radio announcers said they have 8 guys going to BCS schools and another 8 that will play D1 football at non-BCS schools. That's unbelievable.
5. Both teams played with class. As Jacory Harris took a knee on the last play, a SLC player shook his hand as the clock ran out.
6. Frankly, I was proud of SLC's young defense playing against MNW's great athletes. I think the game was very good preparation for SLC's upcoming district schedule.
7. The fans wearing green came out in force tonight. For a town of 27,000, it seemed that most of them were at the game.

Congrats to MNW. They deserved to win.

[SteveFoxSC]

well slc losing is music to some ears pain to others, i'm sure i can speak for some that have delt with the arrogance of the slc fan base (some) and i can say. That when i put up that bulls avatar at 1pm this afternoon i just had that feeling after watching some of those interviews that Florida would win.

[consumerman]

well slc losing is music to some ears pain to others, i'm sure i can speak for some that have delt with the arrogance of the slc fan base (some) and i can say. That when i put up that bulls avatar at 1pm this afternoon i just had that feeling after watching some of those interviews that Florida would win.

i have to tell you i saw those sheepish smiling pics of the carroll players in that perfect city article and said to myself these guys are reading too many of their own press clippings and are ripe to get their lunches handed to them

and that seems to be what happened

[SteveFoxSC]

i have to tell you i saw those sheepish smiling pics of the carroll players in that perfect city article and said to myself these guys are reading too many of their own press clippings and are ripe to get their lunches handed to them

and that seems to be what happened

I saw that and herd of an interview and that sad thing is that wouldn't surprise me. I aint no slc band wagon basher, but come play off's they turn cocky, arrogant, obnoxious, and rude. Any how i herd a interview that the MNW Players found magazines on their bed with articles calling it "the perfect neighborhood vs the ghetto" and i think thats pretty f'ed up. And everyone kept putting this game high up their and putting state pride vs state pride. I personally just wanted the damn thing over with, to me it's just another game between 2 schools. But hey slc lost, they need to deal with it and move on.

[steeler 01]

MNW was the better team...Period.

They are loaded at every position. SLC's 5 turnovers did not help much but MNW created some of those.

The one thing I can say is that this Florida team is one of the best out of Florida in a very long time.

I doubt this will be SLC's best team of the last 5 years.

You doubt it because they lost. Their offense is back intact from last year. So offensively their at least equal to last year. They scored 7 points tonight. The other 7 were aided by the refs. Had SLC played MNW last year same thing would've happened. MNW was probably more explosive last year with Easterling.

[SteveFoxSC]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GczIGUf49wg&mode=related&search= its off relevant to football but this guy can give you a good insight on what its like in south lake.

[NYCBlue]

Game articles...
Miami Hearld...



http://www.miamiherald.com/1199/story/239475.html



Dallas Morning News....



http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/sharedcontent/dws/content/topstories/stories/091607dnspocarrolllede.da341a4c.html

[WoodyHayes]

Period.

[Hurri-Comet]

Nice SLCDAD; fair analysis, and classy post. :cool: South Florida salutes you. Is SLC coming to Florida next year, or anytime soon?

[WoodyHayes]

Congrats to MNW. They were the better team. They have tremendous athletes. Lots of size and speed.

A few of thoughts on the game:

1. Crowd of about 32,000 was terrific. We had great seats on the 45 yard but we arrived at the stadium 1 hour and 45 mins early. That was the largest regular season crowd in Texas history AND the largest crowd that any Florida HS team has ever played in front of.
2. I don't ever recall SLC giving up 5 turnovers and a punt snap over the punter's head. However, MNW should take credit for a few of the TOs. SLC normally makes very few mistakes.
3. The pace of the game was very frustrating to SLC. I'm not sure you could see that on TV. SLC was anxious to get into their up tempo offense but they couldn't do it. All of the TV time outs combined with all of the stopages due to MNW players getting cramps really took SLC out it's game.
4. MNW was extremely athletic. The radio announcers said they have 8 guys going to BCS schools and another 8 that will play D1 football at non-BCS schools. That's unbelievable.
5. Both teams played with class. As Jacory Harris took a knee on the last play, a SLC player shook his hand as the clock ran out.
6. Frankly, I was proud of SLC's young defense playing against MNW's great athletes. I think the game was very good preparation for SLC's upcoming district schedule.
7. The fans wearing green came out in force tonight. For a town of 27,000, it seemed that most of them were at the game.

Congrats to MNW. They deserved to win.
Thanks for embarrassing the whole state of Texas.

[fish82]

I thought this was a great game, between 2 great teams. All the "could have been worse" or "gave it away" is bunk. Both teams made mistakes, both capitalized on some and not on others.

Riley Dodge is a great QB. He throws a great ball, and watching him think on his feet as well as he does is a joy. He is going to be a very successful young man.

IMO Tre Newton is better than he showed last night. Even the best RB needs a hole to run through, and the MNW Front 7 was lights out. Newton still showed speed and quickness, which is why he's heading to UT. He too, will be very successful.

MNW is just a team full of thoroughbreds, period. The QB was very good and threw a nice ball, but the WRs were the key.... combine that height with that speed....forget about it!!

I've been as guilty as most about piling on SLC about not traveling, facing OOS competition, etc. But in hindsight, they put the streak on the line against arguably the best team in the US. That took stones, so hats off to SLC for that. Like I've said many times, lots of states play good football, and the best few teams from the "top" states are just about dead even.

I have a theory that if OH, TX, CA, and FL all sent their "Top 3" into a 12 team round robin, the best anyone would come out with would be 6-5 or 7-4.

Best of luck to both teams the rest of the year!

[RidgePride]

You doubt it because they lost. Their offense is back intact from last year. So offensively their at least equal to last year. They scored 7 points tonight. The other 7 were aided by the refs. Had SLC played MNW last year same thing would've happened. MNW was probably more explosive last year with Easterling.

SLC's Defense was much better last year too. A better defense means more opportunities on offense.

[RidgePride]

I thought this was a great game, between 2 great teams. All the "could have been worse" or "gave it away" is bunk. Both teams made mistakes, both capitalized on some and not on others.

Riley Dodge is a great QB. He throws a great ball, and watching him think on his feet as well as he does is a joy. He is going to be a very successful young man.

IMO Tre Newton is better than he showed last night. Even the best RB needs a hole to run through, and the MNW Front 7 was lights out. Newton still showed speed and quickness, which is why he's heading to UT. He too, will be very successful.

MNW is just a team full of thoroughbreds, period. The QB was very good and threw a nice ball, but the WRs were the key.... combine that height with that speed....forget about it!!

I've been as guilty as most about piling on SLC about not traveling, facing OOS competition, etc. But in hindsight, they put the streak on the line against arguably the best team in the US. That took stones, so hats off to SLC for that. Like I've said many times, lots of states play good football, and the best few teams from the "top" states are just about dead even.

I have a theory that if OH, TX, CA, and FL all sent their "Top 3" into a 12 team round robin, the best anyone would come out with would be 6-5 or 7-4.

Best of luck to both teams the rest of the year!

I agree with you on all issues. Every now and then a state will produce a very special team. Just like the 04 Colerain, this is 07 MNW time in the spotlight. For that I say there is NO shame in losing that game.

2005 Was SLC's best team of their run anyway. They had a 6'3" QB and four great receivers - and a better defense.

[steeler01]

SLC's Defense was much better last year too. A better defense means more opportunities on offense.

How do we know their better? SLC played Lake Highlands and they won 42-10. Last year they beat LH 49-13 very comparable in scores. You can't say their better till the season ends. What are you gonna say if SLC blows out everyone in Texas?

[Bordertown]

The following is a link to the Dallas Morning News article. Congrats to Miami Northwestern on the win. Note the official attendance was 31,896. Not a bad crowd for a high school football game.

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/sharedcontent/dws/content/topstories/stories/091607dnspocarrolllede.da341a4c.html

[RidgePride]

How do we know their better? SLC played Lake Highlands and they won 42-10. Last year they beat LH 49-13 very comparable in scores. You can't say their better till the season ends. What are you gonna say if SLC blows out everyone in Texas?

I will say they were the best team in TX and MNW beat them.

What else would I say?

[SLCDad]

Thanks for embarrassing the whole state of Texas.

Really? I think SLC represented Texas VERY WELL.

I don't think you understand very much about Southlake, the high school or the team.

I was extremely proud of Southlake last night.

- The crowd was fantastic (mostly due to Southlake fans).
- The SLC band was superb.
- SLC had 700+ students participating on the field in some way.
- Did you notice the ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW band?
- Did you notice the ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW football team as it left the field at halftime?
- Did you notice the SLC players congratulating the MNW team after the game?
- Did you notice the smiles and pride on the SLC fans faces as they left the stadium?
- The SLC team of slow, small white guys played their hearts out and never gave up. They stood toe to toe against one of the most athletic teams in the country.

It was no embarrasment to lose the game last night. MNW would likely beat any team in the nation.

[DLSfanNW]

SLC was the heavy favorite.

They were the defending National Champion with their big three all back from last years team.

SLC was playing a team who was away from their state for the first time. Most players had not never even been out of Florida before and they were playing in front of 20,000 plus hostile fans after having the entire coaching staff replaced just weeks before the biggest game in history.

SLC was playing an inner city school where the indoor training facility is the basketball gym. A place without private speed coaches or the best equipment money can buy.

I would like to see contrasting pictures of the weight room at MNW and the one at SLC.

DLS/Poly was big but they were both from California. This game being Texas vs Florida makes it the biggest game in high school football history.

This quote from Jacory Harris says it all...

"We've been through so much before, but this win takes a burden off our shoulders,'' Harris said. ``All the bad things the media said about us, about how we were a poor team. They can see now that we're a team that plays as one and stays focused. Now we can say we're the No. 1 team in the nation.''

Great Job Bulls. You showed allot of heart.

[SteveFoxSC]

"We've been through so much before, but this win takes a burden off our shoulders,'' Harris said. ``All the bad things the media said about us, about how we were a poor team. They can see now that we're a team that plays as one and stays focused. Now we can say we're the No. 1 team in the nation.''

Great Job Bulls. You showed allot of heart.

That is the reason i cheered for mnw, i grew up all over ghetto places, well neighborhoods, very very nice suburban areas. And the type of criticisms the bulls took for financial reasons upset me. I know what its like to see people not have the luxury that some wealthier people do. And for the bulls to go out there and beat several players that have received high class training lived in a well area for most of their lives.
For me it was more less fortunate people prevailing agaisnt the high class.

[SLCDad]

SLC was the heavy favorite.

They were the defending National Champion with their big three all back from last years team.

SLC was playing a team who was away from their state for the first time. Most players had not never even been out of Florida before and they were playing in front of 20,000 plus hostile fans after having the entire coaching staff replaced just weeks before the biggest game in history.

SLC was playing an inner city school where the indoor training facility is the basketball gym. A place without private speed coaches or the best equipment money can buy.

I would like to see contrasting pictures of the weight room at MNW and the one at SLC.

Frankly, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

SLC was the heavy favorite? Really? Two national polls already had MNW as #1.

Everybody knew SLC could never match the MNW athletes. MNW had 14-15 starters back from 2006 plus they got that blue chipper who transferred from Edison just to play football. SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?

Who are the SLC big three? (Riley Dodge, Tre Newton and who?)

MNW's staff was replaced "weeks" before the game. LOL The entire staff was in place for MNW's spring game 5 months ago. Coach Rolle coached MNW to a state title in 2004. Why do you not mention that SLC got an entire new coaching staff in Feb/Mar and the defensive coordinator didn't arrive until June?

20,000 hostile fans? Apparently you didn't notice the standing ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW team as they left the game at halftime. (The MNW band also got a standing ovation.)

Personal speed trainers? Really? The best equipment money can buy? Really? A few players get outside private help but the vast majority do not. Yeah, SLC has an indoor facility (that is used by many school groups) but the SLC weight room is "average" at best.

Yeah, MNW is an inner city school. They were rated "F" in perfomance in Florida last year in academics. I suppose it's right for them to not spend their money on athletics. SLC is one of the highest rated schools in Texas (99% of the seniors graduated and 97% went on to college this year).

Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about.

[TopGun344]

SLC was the heavy favorite.

They were the defending National Champion with their big three all back from last years team.

SLC was playing a team who was away from their state for the first time. Most players had not never even been out of Florida before and they were playing in front of 20,000 plus hostile fans after having the entire coaching staff replaced just weeks before the biggest game in history.

SLC was playing an inner city school where the indoor training facility is the basketball gym. A place without private speed coaches or the best equipment money can buy.

I would like to see contrasting pictures of the weight room at MNW and the one at SLC.

DLS/Poly was big but they were both from California. This game being Texas vs Florida makes it the biggest game in high school football history.

This quote from Jacory Harris says it all...

"We've been through so much before, but this win takes a burden off our shoulders,'' Harris said. ``All the bad things the media said about us, about how we were a poor team. They can see now that we're a team that plays as one and stays focused. Now we can say we're the No. 1 team in the nation.''

Great Job Bulls. You showed allot of heart.

your missing a line. at the end of that quote he said "football is football regardless"... i nodded my head and smiled after reading that

[steeler 01]

Frankly, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

SLC was the heavy favorite? Really? Two national polls already had MNW as #1.

Everybody knew SLC could never match the MNW athletes. MNW had 14-15 starters back from 2006 plus they got that blue chipper who transferred from Edison just to play football. SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?

Who are the SLC big three? (Riley Dodge, Tre Newton and who?)

MNW's staff was replaced "weeks" before the game. LOL The entire staff was in place for MNW's spring game 5 months ago. Coach Rolle coached MNW to a state title in 2004. Why do you not mention that SLC got an entire new coaching staff in Feb/Mar and the defensive coordinator didn't arrive until June?

20,000 hostile fans? Apparently you didn't notice the standing ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW team as they left the game at halftime. (The MNW band also got a standing ovation.)

Personal speed trainers? Really? The best equipment money can buy? Really? A few players get outside private help but the vast majority do not. Yeah, SLC has an indoor facility (that is used by many school groups) but the SLC weight room is "average" at best.

Yeah, MNW is an inner city school. They were rated "F" in perfomance in Florida last year in academics. I suppose it's right for them to not spend their money on athletics. SLC is one of the highest rated schools in Texas (99% of the seniors graduated and 97% went on to college this year).

Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about.

Coach Rolle didn't coach MNW in 2004 he coached Killian.

[DLSfanNW]

Frankly, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

SLC was the heavy favorite? Really? Two national polls already had MNW as #1.

Everybody knew SLC could never match the MNW athletes. MNW had 14-15 starters back from 2006 plus they got that blue chipper who transferred from Edison just to play football. SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?

Who are the SLC big three? (Riley Dodge, Tre Newton and who?)

MNW's staff was replaced "weeks" before the game. LOL The entire staff was in place for MNW's spring game 5 months ago. Coach Rolle coached MNW to a state title in 2004. Why do you not mention that SLC got an entire new coaching staff in Feb/Mar and the defensive coordinator didn't arrive until June?

"20,000 hostile fans? Apparently you didn't notice the standing ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW team as they left the game at halftime".

Personal speed trainers? Really? The best equipment money can buy? Really? A few players get outside private help but the vast majority do not. Yeah, SLC has an indoor facility (that is used by many school groups) but the SLC weight room is "average" at best.

Yeah, MNW is an inner city school. They were rated "F" in perfomance in Florida last year in academics. I suppose it's right for them to not spend their money on athletics. SLC is one of the highest rated schools in Texas (99% of the seniors graduated and 97% went on to college this year).

Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about.

"SLC was the heavy favorite?"

Yea...#1 ranking, winning streak, 80-1, home field advantage ( in terms of having no travel, hotel etc plus the partisan crowd)



" SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?"

I thought the reloaders would be ready? Have they not have been preparing for their moment in the spotlight since third grade?


"Who are the SLC big three? (Riley Dodge, Tre Newton and who?)"

Did Blake Cantu play? Is he not a D1 receiver?



"MNW's staff was replaced "weeks" before the game. LOL The entire staff was in place for MNW's spring game 5 months ago."

Yea 5 months is 20 weeks...Actually Rolle was hired in late July which is 8 weeks at best.



"20,000 hostile fans? Apparently you didn't notice the standing ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW team as they left the game at halftime."

How about during the game? Is it safe to say that most of the crowd was cheering for SLC during the game? I am giving MNW 10 thousand fans which may be true but I doubt the number is that high.



"the SLC weight room is "average" at best."

I have seen pictures of the SLC weight room and the Olympic pool and some of the other facilities and it is more like a new Jr College then a high school. No need to apologize for your affluence...I am sure the people worked very hard to attain it but comparing what you have to what MNW has is apples to oranges.

I do give your team props for taking the challenge even though by never traveling you automatically give yourselves an advantage...apparently you need it.

[djtomr941]

"SLC was the heavy favorite?"

Yea...#1 ranking, winning streak, 80-1, home field advantage ( in terms of having no travel, hotel etc plus the partisan crowd)



" SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?"

I thought the reloaders would be ready? Have they not have been preparing for their moment in the spotlight since third grade?


"Who are the SLC big three? (Riley Dodge, Tre Newton and who?)"

Did Blake Cantu play? Is he not a D1 receiver?



"MNW's staff was replaced "weeks" before the game. LOL The entire staff was in place for MNW's spring game 5 months ago."

Yea 5 months is 20 weeks...Actually Rolle was hired in late July which is 8 weeks at best.



"20,000 hostile fans? Apparently you didn't notice the standing ovation that the SLC fans gave to the MNW team as they left the game at halftime."

How about during the game? Is it safe to say that most of the crowd was cheering for SLC during the game? I am giving MNW 10 thousand fans which may be true but I doubt the number is that high.



"the SLC weight room is "average" at best."

I have seen pictures of the SLC weight room and the Olympic pool and some of the other facilities and it is more like a new Jr College then a high school. No need to apologize for your affluence...I am sure the people worked very hard to attain it but comparing what you have to what MNW has is apples to oranges.

I do give your team props for taking the challenge even though by never traveling you automatically give yourselves an advantage...apparently you need it.


SO when does St. X travel to Florida? If someone were willing to pay for them to come to say, Lakeland? Would they come?

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

SO when does St. X travel to Florida? If someone were willing to pay for them to come to say, Lakeland? Would they come?

MNW would destroy, both, St. X and Lakeland. Why even have this discussion??

Btw.. I saw Colerain play this Mason team. Mason looked like a 3A team in Texas. Colerain looked like a solid 5A team. Colerain would lose to SLC by 4 to 5 tds. SLC wouldn't break a sweat. AND... whose to say SLC is the best team in state, this year. Desoto and Katy are looking pretty good. (Better than SLC looked, Saturday night.)

[NYCBlue]

SI.com article...


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/joe_lemire/09/16/northwestern.southlake/index.html

[Chicago]

Did anyone else notice that when the SLC punter kicked the ball through the end zone on the bad snap, it ended up stopping and spinning maybe one or two yards past the end line, while he was jogging off the other way and three MNW guys were headed for the ball?

If that had stopped any shorter, it would have turned out very badly for SLC.

Now THAT would have been a tough break.

[fish82]

MNW would destroy, both, St. X and Lakeland. Why even have this discussion??

Btw.. I saw Colerain play this Mason team. Mason looked like a 3A team in Texas. Colerain looked like a solid 5A team. Colerain would lose to SLC by 4 to 5 tds. SLC wouldn't break a sweat. AND... whose to say SLC is the best team in state, this year. Desoto and Katy are looking pretty good. (Better than SLC looked, Saturday night.)

Dude....that post is so funny that it's......well....pretty damn funny.:rolleyes:

[DLSfanNW]

"AND... whose to say SLC is the best team in state, this year. Desoto and Katy are looking pretty good. (Better than SLC looked, Saturday night.)

Now I hope SLC runs the table and wins state. Good Luck SLC:)

[concha]

MNW would destroy, both, St. X and Lakeland. Why even have this discussion??

Btw.. I saw Colerain play this Mason team. Mason looked like a 3A team in Texas. Colerain looked like a solid 5A team. Colerain would lose to SLC by 4 to 5 tds. SLC wouldn't break a sweat. AND... whose to say SLC is the best team in state, this year. Desoto and Katy are looking pretty good. (Better than SLC looked, Saturday night.)


Right.

Go back to 5Atexasfootball(gotspanked).com and ask Froggy how he could be so pathetically wrong (again, as usual).

29-21 with a knee = 36-21 in reality

So by how many TDs was Froggy off this time? You sad bunch of homers.

What is it we hear all the time? "Texas is so great it doesn't need to play out of state prove anything". Too right. You can prove other states can spank you from the comfort of your own stadiums. Kudos.

[steeler 01]

MNW would destroy, both, St. X and Lakeland. Why even have this discussion??

Btw.. I saw Colerain play this Mason team. Mason looked like a 3A team in Texas. Colerain looked like a solid 5A team. Colerain would lose to SLC by 4 to 5 tds. SLC wouldn't break a sweat. AND... whose to say SLC is the best team in state, this year. Desoto and Katy are looking pretty good. (Better than SLC looked, Saturday night.)
well playing the woodlands,klein,garland,and Tyler is not the same as playing MNW.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

well playing the woodlands,klein,garland,and Tyler is not the same as playing MNW.

They haven't played Garland or North Shore or Westfield or Lee or La Marque or Cedar Hill or Desoto. They played Katy in 2003, and lost, then in 2005, and won. They also played Euless Trinity, for the first time, and barely escaped... by 1 pt, when we all know ET had them beat.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

Right.

Go back to 5Atexasfootball(gotspanked).com and ask Froggy how he could be so pathetically wrong (again, as usual).

29-21 with a knee = 36-21 in reality

So by how many TDs was Froggy off this time? You sad bunch of homers.

What is it we hear all the time? "Texas is so great it doesn't need to play out of state prove anything". Too right. You can prove other states can spank you from the comfort of your own stadiums. Kudos.

A team filled with 15-20 or so Top D1 Prospects (not just D1 talent) beats SLC by 8 pts and they got spanked??

29-21 with a knee = 36-21??? Haha!!

Well 29-21, with a fumble on the 5 yard line, underthrown sure-td by a back-up QB, game tying sure-td pass dropped, in 4th qtr.. not to mention a missed field goal = 36-45. Now, how stupid was your comment, moron??

Keep trying to explain why (4-6) Tyler Lee losing to the #2 Colerain by 15 pts = one of the greatest teams ever assembled (because Brandon Washington was "recruited" across town to play football, even after commiting to Miami) beating SLC by 8 pts... and all of that equals OHIO and FLORIDA RULES??? That's hilariously dumb. Ohio will never, EVER.. gain ground on Texas. Sorry.

I saw Colerain play Mason, last week.. the entire game. I was shocked at how good that (Texas 3A-looking team) was not really getting destroyed by the #2 team in Ohio. Mason would be beaten 100-0, at halftime, by SLC.

I give St.X some respect, but the rest of the "Oil Spill" State you can have.

[Chicago]

List the 15-20.

Feel free to skip the three guys or whatever it was in ESPN's top 150.

So 12-17 to go.

[coletrain06]

Was anyone else surprised at MNW coaching decisions on their last possession?

They had the ball with around a min left and SLC only had one time out left, and MNW comes out PASSING!? They were passing the whole series too. That was not good coaching at all and terrible playcalling IMO. True they did convert all of those passes, but still too much to gamble.

And then they kneel the ball from a shotgun position? What if the snap went over his head and SLC picked it up and ran it back?

Too many things could've gone wrong for MNW on their last possession

[RidgePride]

Was anyone else surprised at MNW coaching decisions on their last possession?

They had the ball with around a min left and SLC only had one time out left, and MNW comes out PASSING!? They were passing the whole series too. That was not good coaching at all and terrible playcalling IMO. True they did convert all of those passes, but still too much to gamble.

And then they kneel the ball from a shotgun position? What if the snap went over his head and SLC picked it up and ran it back?

Too many things could've gone wrong for MNW on their last possession

Did you listen to the coaches explanation after the game? He said the plan was to run the ball but SLC was shutting it down.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

List the 15-20.

Feel free to skip the three guys or whatever it was in ESPN's top 150.

So 12-17 to go.

WR-Aldarius Johnson (6'4 200)
WR-Tommy Streeter (6'5 200)
OL-Terrell Killings (6'5 325)
OL-Brandon Washington (6'4 315)
DT-Marcus Forston (6'4 315)
QB-Jacory Harris (6'4 190)
LB-Sean Spence (6'1 205)
DE-Ben Jones (6'6 280)
LB-L. David (6'1 200)
LB-Quavon Taylor (6'0 200)
DB-Caleb Marshall (?)

.. that's only 11. I know there are more.. heard their names during the Summer.

[coletrain06]

Did you listen to the coaches explanation after the game? He said the plan was to run the ball but SLC was shutting it down.

LOL I'm not talking about the whole game. I'm talking about the last possession when there was around a minute left in the game and SLC only had one time out. All they had to do was kneel it 3 times and the game would have been over. Instead they come out passing trying to score!?

[steeler 01]

LOL I'm not talking about the whole game. I'm talking about the last possession when there was around a minute left in the game and SLC only had one time out. All they had to do was kneel it 3 times and the game would have been over. Instead they come out passing trying to score!?

I was thinking the same thing. I was like what the F*** is he throwing the ball for.

[Chicago]

WR-Aldarius Johnson (6'4 200)
WR-Tommy Streeter (6'5 200)
OL-Terrell Killings (6'5 325)
OL-Brandon Washington (6'4 315)
DT-Marcus Forston (6'4 315)
QB-Jacory Harris (6'4 190)
LB-Sean Spence (6'1 205)
DE-Ben Jones (6'6 280)
LB-L. David (6'1 200)
LB-Quavon Taylor (6'0 200)
DB-Caleb Marshall (?)

.. that's only 11. I know there are more.. heard their names during the Summer.

I can find a roster, too.

Please verify that they are all "Top D1 Prospects."

[SLCDad]

I can find a roster, too.

Please verify that they are all "Top D1 Prospects."

I'm not sure where this is going. It's pretty much agreed that MNW is one of the most talented HS teams that people have ever seen.

[Chicago]

That's still a long way from 15-20 top D1 prospects.

I realize you want to convince everyone that MNW is essentially USC Lite, but that's not the case.

They are very good, with a lot of great athletes, but the idea that they start a top Division I prospect at close to every single position is overstating it by quite a bit.

Sure, it would make SLC look better, but it's wrong.

That's where this is going. Unless you manage to divert it.

[pied]

That's still a long way from 15-20 top D1 prospects.

I realize you want to convince everyone that MNW is essentially USC Lite, but that's not the case.

They are very good, with a lot of great athletes, but the idea that they start a top Division I prospect at close to every single position is overstating it by quite a bit.

Sure, it would make SLC look better, but it's wrong.

That's where this is going. Unless you manage to divert it.

Exagerrating the talent level of a tema that beat yours on a HS message board?

Who would have thought that would happen????

[fish82]

I'm not sure where this is going. It's pretty much agreed that MNW is one of the most talented HS teams that people have ever seen.

Not to split hairs Dad, but I haven't seen total consensus that they are the most talented team that everyone has "ever seen."

They are the most talented I've seen this year, and probably last year too. Keep in mind though, that Glenville has similar (not necessarily better) athletes most years. What MNW has is horses plus coaching/discipline.

As far as defensive talent, they would be close to the 2004 Colerain squad. The big DL #99 was bigger than Tyrell Byrd, but not quite as quick.

Again, it was a great game between 2 great teams. IMO trying to spin it as anything other than that takes away from the game.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

I can find a roster, too.

Please verify that they are all "Top D1 Prospects."

WR - Aldarius Johnson (6'3 200)
#9 WR in Nation/Rivals.com
Committed to Miami

WR - Tommy Streeter (6'5 200)
#40 WR in Nation/Rivals.com
Is easily a Top 10 (if not Top 5) WR, in Nation, IMO.
Offered by Florida, LSU and Miami

OL - Brandon Washington (6'4 315)
#9 OG in Nation/Rivals.com
Committed to Miami

DT - Marcus Forston (6'4 315)
#2 DT in Nation/Rivals.com
Committed to Miami (Also offered by Notre Dame, Tenn and USC)

QB - Jacory Harris (6'4 190)
#4 DQB in Nation/Rivals.com
Elite 11 QB
Committed to Miami (Also offered by LSU, Alabama and BC)

LB - Sean Spence (6'1 205)
#19 OLB in Nation/Rivals.com
Committed to Miami (Also offered by Rutgers and Alabama)

DE - Benjamin Jones (6'6 280)
#25 SDE in Nation/Rivals.com
Offered by Ohio State, Arkansas, LSU, FSU, Florida and Miami

S - Joseph Garrett (6'0 170)
A Top D1 Prospect
Has been offered by Miami

WR - Kendal Thompkins (5'11 160)
A Top D1 Prospect

OL - Terrell Killings (6'4 300)
A Top D1 Prospect

LB - David Levonte (6'1 200)
D1 Prospect

LB - Quavon Taylor (6'0 200)
D1 Prospect

WR - Robert Demps (6'0 175)
D1 Prospect

Other D1/D1AA Prospects:

DB - Caleb Marshall
DB - Keith Richburg
DB - Steve Gallon
RB - Daquan Hargrett
RB - Tyresse Jones

I count 18 prospects... 7-10 are elite talent, IMO.

[Chicago]

That's different from 15-20 top D1 prospects.

That doesn't mean they aren't loaded, though.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

That's different from 15-20 top D1 prospects.

That doesn't mean they aren't loaded, though.

Dude, they had 7 players that are ranked in the National Top 25, respectively, at their position. 2 WR's (Top 10 - IMO), 1 DT (Top 5), 1 DE (Top 25), 1 QB (Top 5), 1 LB (Top 20) and 1 OL (Top 10).

Universal Studios couldn't dream up a team that has EVER been THAT loaded. EVER!!! Think about it... you may very well have 4 or 5 5-Star players on 1 football team. Oklahoma or USC may not have 5 5-Star athletes sign in Feb... yet they may have 5 on one HS team?? And their RB's (both of them) will be highly recruited next year... wait and see.

[pied]

That's different from 15-20 top D1 prospects.

That doesn't mean they aren't loaded, though.

ummmmm
15....16....17....18....19....20

[Chicago]

If "D1 prospects" and "other D1/D1AA prospects" count as "top D1 prospects" then fine.

I don't think that's what it means, though.

Looks like 10-3-5 to me. So 10, then.

[SLCDad]

Not to split hairs Dad, but I haven't seen total consensus that they are the most talented team that everyone has "ever seen."

I didn't say "the" most talented team that everyone has ever seen. I said "one" of the most talented teams that people have ever seen. I believe that the talent that MNW has this year could compare (arguably) with any team anywhere, anytime.

If you check the posts, you will see that I posted several times about the talent at MNW long before the game was played.

[SLCDad]

Exagerrating the talent level of a tema that beat yours on a HS message board?

Who would have thought that would happen????

It's pretty hard to exagerate the talent that MNW has this year. In fact, it's more likely to do the opposite. If you look at the rankings of their players the only team that compares is the 2001 Poly team from California. There may be others, but I haven't seen them.

Having three players in the national top 150 is insane and that's just the tip of the iceberg for MNW.

[Chicago]

"It's pretty hard to exagerate the talent that MNW has this year."

Not for you.

[SLCDad]

"It's pretty hard to exagerate the talent that MNW has this year."

Not for you.

Name ONE team with equal talent this year. Good luck.

[Chicago]

There not being another team as talented as MNW this year does not mean that MNW's talent is not being exaggerated.

I can explain it to you. I cannot comprehend it for you.

Consumerman may be on to something.

[consumerman]

Name ONE team with equal talent this year. Good luck.

slc feeder grade school team

[pied]

slc feeder grade school team

No lie, but many people were talking up the soph class at SLC(before the game). No relevance to this thread, but interesting.

I was impressed with the backup QB when he came in, except the pick in the endzone. Funny people aren't talking baout that part of the game....


I know I know, MNW took a knee....

[Chicago]

That may have been the biggest nosebleed in history (speaking of superlatives).

I don't have much experience with that sort of thing, but it was unbelievable.

[fish82]

That may have been the biggest nosebleed in history (speaking of superlatives).

I don't have much experience with that sort of thing, but it was unbelievable.

Gusher city!!!! I was starting to worry about him after a few minutes of that.

And I agree that SLC is looking pretty good at QB next year. That kid is a junior, right? He's going to be pretty good, me thinks.

[SLCDad]

And I agree that SLC is looking pretty good at QB next year. That kid is a junior, right? He's going to be pretty good, me thinks.

His last name is Padron. His older brother was an all-state linebacker for SLC last year and he now plays at North Texas.

[consumerman]

His last name is Padron. His older brother was an all-state linebacker for SLC last year and he now plays at North Texas.

how many tackles did he have in that seesaw 79-10 game

[Chicago]

Both of them.

[pied]

how many tackles did he have in that seesaw 79-10 game

Apparently he did not play.

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2007-2008/01_unt.html#GAME.IND

[consumerman]

Frankly, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

Everybody knew SLC could never match the MNW athletes. MNW had 14-15 starters back from 2006 plus they got that blue chipper who transferred from Edison just to play football. SLC had 9-10 starters returning. Are you aware that SLC played 5 sophs on defense and that 80% of the defense were playing in their 2nd varsity game?

lets compare daditis excuses after the game with what he saud last spring (cut and pasted)

SLCDad from spring 2007:

You said SLC's defense will be "suspect." I understand what you are saying but I think you chose the wrong word. We all have a question about SLC's 2007 defense but we really don't know that they will be "suspect." With the talent that MNW has, they could make good defenses look bad. SLC has a terrific feeder system. They have lots of defensive underclassmen that are experienced. The subs got lots of experience and some of the best "reserves" were on the JV. SLC rebuilt most of their defense in 2006 (and all of their offense except Tre) with very good results

a little bit of a change once the loss was final

[SLCDad]

lets compare daditis excuses after the game with what he saud last spring (cut and pasted)

SLCDad from spring 2007:

You said SLC's defense will be "suspect." I understand what you are saying but I think you chose the wrong word. We all have a question about SLC's 2007 defense but we really don't know that they will be "suspect." With the talent that MNW has, they could make good defenses look bad. SLC has a terrific feeder system. They have lots of defensive underclassmen that are experienced. The subs got lots of experience and some of the best "reserves" were on the JV. SLC rebuilt most of their defense in 2006 (and all of their offense except Tre) with very good results

a little bit of a change once the loss was final

I think my statement from spring of 2007 was exactly right. I stand by every word.

Apparently you didn't listen to what the MNW players said about the SLC defense. Do some research and you will see the respect that MNW gave to the SLC defense after the game.

[steeler 01]

It's pretty hard to exagerate the talent that MNW has this year. In fact, it's more likely to do the opposite. If you look at the rankings of their players the only team that compares is the 2001 Poly team from California. There may be others, but I haven't seen them.

Having three players in the national top 150 is insane and that's just the tip of the iceberg for MNW.

1998 L.B. Poly had 4 in the top 100. Darell Rideaux,Kareem Kelly,Larry Croom, and Chris Lewis. They also had another wr that is in the NFL by the name of Sammie Parker.

[SLCDad]

1998 L.B. Poly had 4 in the top 100. Darell Rideaux,Kareem Kelly,Larry Croom, and Chris Lewis. They also had another wr that is in the NFL by the name of Sammie Parker.Yep. That was a talented team. 2007 MNW is similar.

[consumerman]

1998 L.B. Poly had 4 in the top 100. Darell Rideaux,Kareem Kelly,Larry Croom, and Chris Lewis. They also had another wr that is in the NFL by the name of Sammie Parker.

1998 LB Poly LOST to Mater Dei who ended up #2 in the country

1998 Mater Dei LOST to DLS

2001 LB Poly had FIVE in the top 79

2001 LB Poly LOST to DLS

[consumerman]

I think my statement from spring of 2007 was exactly right. I stand by every word.

Apparently you didn't listen to what the MNW players said about the SLC defense. Do some research and you will see the respect that MNW gave to the SLC defense after the game.

we know what the SLC offense gave to the MNW defense

5 turnovers

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

we know what the SLC offense gave to the MNW defense

5 turnovers

GAVE is the correct wording. Now you're seeing the light, sport.

[steeler 01]

1998 LB Poly LOST to Mater Dei who ended up #2 in the country

1998 Mater Dei LOST to DLS

2001 LB Poly had FIVE in the top 79

2001 LB Poly LOST to DLS

The 2001 L.B.Poly team doesn't come close to the 1997 team in terms of talent on offense. The 2001 Poly team had Winston Justice and Hershall Dennis on offense and thats it. Their wr's were average. Derrick Jones was a track star playing football. Try and compare Dennis to Herman-Ho Ching, and Larry Croom. Both played in College and started. Herman started at Oregon as a Frosh. He later got kicked out do to drug problems. Larry Croom was in the NFL for a couple of years. As for the Wr's Kareem Kelly started at USC and Sammie Parker started at Oregon and is now starting in the NFL. They also had a qb that was 10x better than Brooks in Chris Lewis. Don't tell me the 2001 Poly team is the most talented Poly team of all time.

[consumerman]

The 2001 L.B.Poly team doesn't come close to the 1997 team in terms of talent on offense. The 2001 Poly team had Winston Justice and Hershall Dennis on offense and thats it. Their wr's were average. Derrick Jones was a track star playing football. Try and compare Dennis to Herman-Ho Ching, and Larry Croom. Both played in College and started. Herman started at Oregon as a Frosh. He later got kicked out do to drug problems. Larry Croom was in the NFL for a couple of years. As for the Wr's Kareem Kelly started at USC and Sammie Parker started at Oregon and is now starting in the NFL. They also had a qb that was 10x better than Brooks in Chris Lewis. Don't tell me the 2001 Poly team is the most talented Poly team of all time.

dont argue with me

I did not make the rankings

You left out all american 6 7 tight end marcedes lewis

and they had darnell bing and manuel wright on defense

they were called the most talented team in LB Poly's storied history

It is not my opinion

It was in 2 books and the SI article

[consumerman]

I suggest you go read Chapter 14 of WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL

here are some excerpts:

LB Poly was the first prep team in history to have five players among the nation's top 100 college prospects by recruiting services (pg 159)

Poly always had had skilled position players. But thy never had the size and strength along the offensive and defensive lines that they had in 2001 (pg 160)

Twenty four of the Poly Players on the field that night would eventually land Division 1 college scholarships (pg 159)

Poly was not only considered the top team in the state and the nation, but perhaps one of the most awesome collections of high school talent ever assmbled (pg 159)

that is just a small amount of examples go read the chapter

Chris Lewis proved his worth by bringing down the Stanford program about 5 notches

If they were so good, why did Mater Dei dominate them in 1998?

A team DLS dominated

[steeler 01]

dont argue with me

I did not make the rankings

You left out all american 6 7 tight end marcedes lewis

and they had darnell bing and manuel wright on defense

they were called the most talented team in LB Poly's storied history

It is not my opinion

It was in 2 books and the SI article

On offense were they more explosive then the 1997 poly team? Did you even see the 1997 Poly team? Yes the hype around the 2001 DLS/Poly game pumped that Poly team to sound like the most talented team ever. which was never the truth. Their skill positions don't come close to the 1997 or 1998 teams. How many of the skill position players on offense played in college? Answer 2 Lewis and Dennis(started as a soph because there was no one else with exp. lost his starting position in the middle of the year). 1997 Poly had Herman started as a Frosh at Oregon (Busted with drugs and kicked out of Oregon),Larry Croom started as a Soph at UNLV transferred from Arizona(Started for the Cards before James was traded there),Sammie Parker started at Oregon his Junior and Senior seasons(Starts for the Chiefs in the NFL),Kareem Kelly started as a Soph at USC. Chris Lewis started some games for Stanford. Now post the 2001 offense for Poly and put up their credentials next to these guys. I also haven't mentioned Andre Cyrus who was amongst the top 150 players in the country. He played TE, but never played in the 1998 season or in College because of his grades and he later got in trouble with the law. Poly in 2001 was an overhyped machine IMO. Their offense had 2 playmakers, but no QB. Brooks the qb on that team didn't even start in 2000. Markee White who was average started over him in 2000. Their defense had 2 good D-lineman(Manual Wright and Junior Lemauu) and 1 good linebacker(Pago Togafau). Their CB's were average. Darnell Bing was a stud, but the guy next to him was just fast nothing more. People never mention that this team was in a dog fight in the southern section championship against an average Edison team. Edison scored 28 points on this Poly team. Final score was 42-28 Dennis scored on a very nice run with 3 minutes to go in the game to seal the game. This game was a back and forth affair. In 2001 the southern section was so weak it was pathetic. Weakest year that I've ever in all my time of watching high school football down here. Edison in 2000 with the same team lost in the 2nd round to Loyola by 2 td's.

[consumerman]

On offense were they more explosive then the 1997 poly team? Did you even see the 1997 Poly team? Yes the hype around the 2001 DLS/Poly game pumped that Poly team to sound like the most talented team ever. which was never the truth. Their skill positions don't come close to the 1997 or 1998 teams. How many of the skill position players on offense played in college? Answer 2 Lewis and Dennis(started as a soph because there was no one else with exp. lost his starting position in the middle of the year). 1997 Poly had Herman started as a Frosh at Oregon (Busted with drugs and kicked out of Oregon),Larry Croom started as a Soph at UNLV transferred from Arizona(Started for the Cards before James was traded there),Sammie Parker started at Oregon his Junior and Senior seasons(Starts for the Chiefs in the NFL),Kareem Kelly started as a Soph at USC. Chris Lewis started some games for Stanford. Now post the 2001 offense for Poly and put up their credentials next to these guys. I also haven't mentioned Andre Cyrus who was amongst the top 150 players in the country. He played TE, but never played in the 1998 season or in College because of his grades and he later got in trouble with the law. Poly in 2001 was an overhyped machine IMO. Their offense had 2 playmakers, but no QB. Brooks the qb on that team didn't even start in 2000. Markee White who was average started over him in 2000. Their defense had 2 good D-lineman(Manual Wright and Junior Lemauu) and 1 good linebacker(Pago Togafau). Their CB's were average. Darnell Bing was a stud, but the guy next to him was just fast nothing more. People never mention that this team was in a dog fight in the southern section championship against an average Edison team. Edison scored 28 points on this Poly team. Final score was 42-28 Dennis scored on a very nice run with 3 minutes to go in the game to seal the game. This game was a back and forth affair. In 2001 the southern section was so weak it was pathetic. Weakest year that I've ever in all my time of watching high school football down here. Edison in 2000 with the same team lost in the 2nd round to Loyola by 2 td's.

your opinions do not agree with the national state and local media

I will stick with ALL of them

[steeler 01]

I suggest you go read Chapter 14 of WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL

here are some excerpts:

LB Poly was the first prep team in history to have five players among the nation's top 100 college prospects by recruiting services (pg 159)

Poly always had had skilled position players. But thy never had the size and strength along the offensive and defensive lines that they had in 2001 (pg 160)

Twenty four of the Poly Players on the field that night would eventually land Division 1 college scholarships (pg 159)

Poly was not only considered the top team in the state and the nation, but perhaps one of the most awesome collections of high school talent ever assmbled (pg 159)

that is just a small amount of examples go read the chapter

Chris Lewis proved his worth by bringing down the Stanford program about 5 notches

If they were so good, why did Mater Dei dominate them in 1998?

A team DLS dominated

Why would i read an excerpt from a book that is hyping the game also? Do you think the book would say this is the 4 or 5th most talented team in Poly history? Don't talk to me about southern section football. I just gave you the names of the players of the 1997 team that went on to play big time ball. The 1997 team was the best Poly team of all time. I'm just showing you that the most talented team in poly history thing is baloney. Poly always has huge lines. I know i played against them from 98-00. If you add all the players on the 1997 team and their backups they'd approach or surpass 24 also. How many players are on the field during the game? 22 Don't start counting safeties that don't even play. Randy Estes and the safety that went to Notre Dame weren't in the game why count them?

[consumerman]

Why would i read an excerpt from a book that is hyping the game also? Do you think the book would say this is the 4 or 5th most talented team in Poly history? Don't talk to me about southern section football. I just gave you the names of the players of the 1997 team that went on to play big time ball. The 1997 team was the best Poly team of all time. I'm just showing you that the most talented team in poly history thing is baloney. Poly always has huge lines. I know i played against them from 98-00. If you add all the players on the 1997 team and their backups they'd approach or surpass 24 also. How many players are on the field during the game? 22 Don't start counting safeties that don't even play. Randy Estes and the safety that went to Notre Dame weren't in the game why count them?

once again you are letting your emotions get in the way of clear reading and thinking

WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL is not a book hyping the DLS LB Poly game

that is a separate book

and you know more than the scouting services and SPorts Illustrated right?

you are allowed to have your opinion

you are in the minority on this one though

[consumerman]

Kareem Kelly was a softie andbombed out in college and never produced what was expected of him

same with Chris Lewis, he actualy got progressivley worse in college

the 2 backs flamed out as per your post

they were so good Mater Dei minus their top running backs threw a safety in as a runner and he gained 203 yards and LB Poly was dominated by a team I guess you played on

BTW, that team lost to DLS 4 straight years and never led once in any of the 4 games

that Team beat LB Poly in 1998 and tied them in 1999

[steeler 01]

your opinions do not agree with the national state and local media

I will stick with ALL of them

The national media also had Sammie Parker ranked below Kareem Kelly guess whose in the NFL? Go on calhisports and ask who was more talented the 1997 Poly team or the 2001 team. Ronnie has no bias and he'll say the same thing I'm saying.

[steeler 01]

Kareem Kelly was a softie andbombed out in college and never produced what was expected of him

same with Chris Lewis, he actualy got progressivley worse in college

the 2 backs flamed out as per your post

they were so good Mater Dei minus their top running backs through a safety in as a runner and he gained 203 yards and LB Poly was dominated by a team I guess you played on

BTW, that team lost to DLS 4 straight years and never led once in any of the 4 games

that Team beat LB Poly in 1998 and tied them in 1999

The 99 Poly team was the weakest Poly team of the 3 i played against. If flaming out is playing in the NFL for 3 or 4 years then I'd love to flame out as well. Is Dennis gonna flame out in the NFL? He's never gonna play in the NFL. Chris Lewis was 10x better then Brandon Brooks was. I'll ask again what wr on the 2001 team started in college? Kareem started for USC on the team that won the Orange Bowl against Iowa. Sammie Parker started on the Oregon team that finished 2nd in the nation and crushed Colorado in the Fiesta bowl. Who on the 2001 team started at wr?

[steeler 01]

once again you are letting your emotions get in the way of clear reading and thinking

WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL is not a book hyping the DLS LB Poly game

that is a separate book

and you know more than the scouting services and SPorts Illustrated right?

you are allowed to have your opinion

you are in the minority on this one though


I'll match player for player the 2001 poly team against the 1997 poly team.

QB

Lewis

HB

Draw, but i really think Croom and Ho-Ching are better than Dennis and Carrington.

WR

This is a laugher. Derrick i can't catch a cold Jones and some other scrub against 2 guys that started in college and 1 starts in the NFL.

TE

Lewis (Cyrus ruined every chance he had by stupid mistakes off the field)


Lineman

Draw

thats the offense.

[consumerman]

nobody cares about 1997 LB Poly

sorry

and no one ever will

save your fingers

[steeler 01]

Read this. I didn't even know that the 1997 Poly team had 7 players play in the NFL.

http://www.presstelegram.com/sports/ci_6980418

[consumerman]

Nobody Cares

Most Of All Me

[steeler 01]

When you talk southern section football make sure you know what your talking about before opening your mouth.

[steeler 01]

7 Players in the NFL for 1997 Poly. 4 Players in the NFL for 2001 Poly.

7>4 Most talented team in Poly history my A**.

[consumerman]

When you talk southern section football make sure you know what your talking about before opening your mouth.

dont EVER talk like that to me

here is what I know about SS football

1994 DLS ranked #1 in state (but idiot form USA Today had them ranked #2 behind steroid Dei in national poll)

1996 DLS ranked #1 in state (but idiot from USA Today had them rated behind steroid Dei in national poll)

1998 DLS travels to Southern Section and rips Mater Dei whose offense consisted of a fumble recovewry and 2 lucky long pass plays. MATER DEI NEVER LED

1999 DLS whips Matt Leinart and Steroid Dei 42-0 in a truly embarrasing game. Soph QB Matt Gutierrez torches all american safety Matt Grootegoed who seemed more interested in flying to the line to make big hits than doing what his position SAFETY is supposed to do for 300 yards and 6 TD. MATER DEI NEVER LEADS

2000 DLS leads 21-0 and 31-14 before settling for a 31-28 victory. Matt Leinart throws like 40 times but nary a holding penalty is called on the Setroid Dei line as Leinart has 5-6 seconds to pass on most downs. not enough thogh as MATER DEI NEVER LEADS

2001 DLS beats an overmatched Mater Dei 34-6. In 16 quarters of football the southern section power, who dress 90 players and gave 20 assisstant coaches NEVER LEAD AT ANY TIME

2001 DLS beats #1 ranked and ALL TIME BEST LB POLY team 29-15. POLY NEVER LEADS AT ANY POINT IN THE GAME. THEIR 31 GAME UNBEATEN STREAK IS TOAST

2002 DLS repeats an easy win over #2 LB Poly 28-7. POLY NEVER LEADS IN 8 QUARTERS AGAINST DLS

and 99% of people agree 2001 LB Poly was thier best team in their history

calling their offensive line equal (where they had 2 ALL AMERICAS) to the 1997 LB Poly line is the height of folly

I WILL TALK SS FOOTBALL ALL DAY AND ALL NITE AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE U

[steeler 01]

dont EVER talk like that to me

here is what I know about SS football

1994 DLS ranked #1 in state (but idiot form USA Today had them ranked #2 behind steroid Dei in national poll)

1996 DLS ranked #1 in state (but idiot from USA Today had them rated behind steroid Dei in national poll)

1998 DLS travels to Southern Section and rips Mater Dei whose offense consisted of a fumble recovewry and 2 lucky long pass plays. MATER DEI NEVER LED

1999 DLS whips Matt Leinart and Steroid Dei 42-0 in a truly embarrasing game. Soph QB Matt Gutierrez torches all american safety Matt Grootegoed who seemed more interested in flying to the line to make big hits than doing what his position SAFETY is supposed to do for 300 yards and 6 TD. MATER DEI NEVER LEADS

2000 DLS leads 21-0 and 31-14 before settling for a 31-28 victory. Matt Leinart throws like 40 times but nary a holding penalty is called on the Setroid Dei line as Leinart has 5-6 seconds to pass on most downs. not enough thogh as MATER DEI NEVER LEADS

2001 DLS beats an overmatched Mater Dei 34-6. In 16 quarters of football the southern section power, who dress 90 players and gave 20 assisstant coaches NEVER LEAD AT ANY TIME

2001 DLS beats #1 ranked and ALL TIME BEST LB POLY team 29-15. POLY NEVER LEADS AT ANY POINT IN THE GAME. THEIR 31 GAME UNBEATEN STREAK IS TOAST

2002 DLS repeats an easy win over #2 LB Poly 28-7. POLY NEVER LEADS IN 8 QUARTERS AGAINST DLS

and 99% of people agree 2001 LB Poly was thier best team in their history

calling their offensive line equal (where they had 2 ALL AMERICAS) to the 1997 LB Poly line is the height of folly

I WILL TALK SS FOOTBALL ALL DAY AND ALL NITE AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE U

Go on the calhisports board and ask Ronnie or any knowledgeable Poly fan if 2001 was their best Poly team of all time. Name the 2 All-Americans for the 2001 Poly offensive line. Winston Justice and who else?

[consumerman]

Edison in 2000 with the same team lost in the 2nd round to Loyola by 2 td's.

umm duhh

who won the SS in 2000 and was rated #3 in the country

LMAO

[consumerman]

Go on the calhisports board and ask Ronnie or any knowledgeable Poly fan if 2001 was their best Poly team of all time. Name the 2 All-Americans for the 2001 Poly offensive line. Winston Justice and who else?

last time I checked, the TE is considered part of an offensive line

that is why he is called a TIGHT END

now how many all americas on the 1997 line/team

[consumerman]

and Coach Lad, who knows just a little bit about running the ball, has been quoted as saying the most important position on the offensive line re running the ball is the tight end

[steeler 01]

1998 DLS travels to Southern Section and rips Mater Dei whose offense consisted of a fumble recovewry and 2 lucky long pass plays. MATER DEI NEVER LED

[/QUOTE]

They ripped Mater Dei in 1998? They needed a 3rd and 39 conversion in the 4th quarter to get a first. If they don't get the 3rd and 39 their punting to Mater Dei . The game was tied at 21 at that point. Mater Dei also drove the ball to around the DLS 30 before getting stopped on downs. Game ended 28-21. If that was getting ripped your very delusional.

[steeler 01]

Edison in 2000 with the same team lost in the 2nd round to Loyola by 2 td's.

umm duhh

who won the SS in 2000 and was rated #3 in the country

LMAO

Who had Marvin Simmons and Ray Tago in 2000? Both of these players were rated top 5 in their positions.

[consumerman]

sorry to inform you

but you are not the know all end all on southern section football

although you ARE opinionated

[steeler 01]

last time I checked, the TE is considered part of an offensive line

that is why he is called a TIGHT END

now how many all americas on the 1997 line/team

Using a TE to say they have 2 all americans on the offensive line is idiotic. Lewis was a horrible run blocker. Lewis was an all american because of his ability to catch the ball. Now your reaching in saying they had 2 all americans on the line.

[consumerman]

1998 DLS travels to Southern Section and rips Mater Dei whose offense consisted of a fumble recovewry and 2 lucky long pass plays. MATER DEI NEVER LED



They ripped Mater Dei in 1998? They needed a 3rd and 39 conversion in the 4th quarter to get a first. If they don't get the 3rd and 39 their punting to Mater Dei . The game was tied at 21 at that point. Mater Dei also drove the ball to around the DLS 30 before getting stopped on downs. Game ended 28-21. If that was getting ripped your very delusional.[/QUOTE]

Umm Mater Dei made two first downs and made it to about the 45 on the last drive. they did not lose it on downs. a pass play blew up with no protection and Lukash coughed the ball up.

DLS outgained MD 271-25 in the first half. READ THOSE FIGURES AGAIN. 271-25. MD hit on 2 long pass plays for TD (congrats) to tie the game and when DLS QB was sacked and DLS faced third and 32, NOT 39!!!, COach Lad called a trap play that he had changed the blocking in at halftime. It was the first time he called the trap in the second half. Callen went basically untouched for 58 yards and DLS scored EASILY like 2 plays later. MD never crossed midfield again

your opinions are fine

your factual errors are NUMEROUS

[consumerman]

Using a TE to say they have 2 all americans on the offensive line is idiotic. Lewis was a horrible run blocker. Lewis was an all american because of his ability to catch the ball. Now your reaching in saying they had 2 all americans on the line.

i would say idiotic is calling a non-named offensive line as equal to an offensive line with 2 all americans

if marcedes was such a bad blocker, why did Maurice Jones-Drew have 5 TD runs of over 40 yards at UCLA in one game -where Lewis was starting TE

strong opinions are one things

facts are better

[steeler 01]

They ripped Mater Dei in 1998? They needed a 3rd and 39 conversion in the 4th quarter to get a first. If they don't get the 3rd and 39 their punting to Mater Dei . The game was tied at 21 at that point. Mater Dei also drove the ball to around the DLS 30 before getting stopped on downs. Game ended 28-21. If that was getting ripped your very delusional.

Umm Mater Dei made two first downs and made it to about the 45 on the last drive. they did not lose it on downs. a pass play blew up with no protection and Lukash coughed the ball up.

DLS outgained MD 271-25 in the first half. READ THOSE FIGURES AGAIN. 271-25. MD hit on 2 long pass plays for TD (congrats) to tie the game and when DLS QB was sacked and DLS faced third and 32, NOT 39!!!, COach Lad called a trap play that he had changed the blocking in at halftime. It was the first time he called the trap in the second half. Callen went basically untouched for 58 yards and DLS scored EASILY like 2 plays later. MD never crossed midfield again

your opinions are fine

your factual errors are NUMEROUS[/QUOTE]

Callen barely made the first down by about 5 yards. Mater Dei was on 4th down when Lukash fumbled. The fumble was irrevelant. Mater Dei was deep in DLS territory. Don't make factual stuff up. I was at this game were you?

[pied]

DLS outgained MD 271-25 in the first half. READ THOSE FIGURES AGAIN. 271-25. MD hit on 2 long pass plays for TD (congrats) to tie the game and when DLS QB was sacked and DLS faced third and 32, NOT 39!!!, COach Lad called a trap play that he had changed the blocking in at halftime. It was the first time he called the trap in the second half. Callen went basically untouched for 58 yards and DLS scored EASILY like 2 plays later. MD never crossed midfield again

your opinions are fine

your factual errors are NUMEROUS

Did the fact they outgained them at half by that margin lessen the point total for the two long TD's, or did they still count six?

Was it not tied 21-21? Is 3/32 really better than 3/39? Isn't anything over 20 basically forever and basically unmakable?

Is a trap play a typical call in that situation, or is possible that Lad got lucky as happens sometimes?

[steeler 01]

Did the fact they outgained them at half by that margin lessen the point total for the two long TD's, or did they still count six?

Was it not tied 21-21? Is 3/32 really better than 3/39? Isn't anything over 20 basically forever and basically unmakable?

Is a trap play a typical call in that situation, or is possible that Lad got lucky as happens sometimes?

Callen with his great speed only had to beat Kevin Mitchell to get to the outside. Callen was super fast and easily got the corner and was tackled 5 or 6 yards after the first down marker. not 58 yards like this guy is trying to say.

[steeler 01]

Did the fact they outgained them at half by that margin lessen the point total for the two long TD's, or did they still count six?

Was it not tied 21-21? Is 3/32 really better than 3/39? Isn't anything over 20 basically forever and basically unmakable?

Is a trap play a typical call in that situation, or is possible that Lad got lucky as happens sometimes?

Callen with his great speed only had to beat Kevin Mitchell to get to the outside. Callen was super fast and easily got the corner and was tackled 5 or 6 yards after the first down marker. not 58 yards like this guy is trying to say. Callen hit the hole and cut to his left which was the side i was sitting at. Kevin Mitchell was the only linebacker to that side. Callen outran him to the outside and picked up the first by 5 or 6 yards. I know this because the first thing i did after the run is look at the first down markers on the field.

[steeler 01]

I will ask again were you at the game?

[consumerman]

Did the fact they outgained them at half by that margin lessen the point total for the two long TD's, or did they still count six?

Was it not tied 21-21? Is 3/32 really better than 3/39? Isn't anything over 20 basically forever and basically unmakable?

Is a trap play a typical call in that situation, or is possible that Lad got lucky as happens sometimes?

1) the two long pass plays count for six sherlock, that was the ENTIRE offense for MD in 4 quarters - 2 long pass plays

2) unmakeable, you better reread the game highlights to see if it was unmakeable

3) hmmm,. Coach Lad is in the high school football Hall of Fame, ARE YOU?, It has been documented that he spent THE ENTIRE halftime reassigning blocking on that one play. Seems he did something right and sprang the play at the right moment. He also designed the flanker screen / long pass that burned Groetegood at halftime of the 1999 game. I think Coach Lad knows what he is doing

4 games 16 quarters

Mater Dei NEVER LED for as much as 1 second in the 4 games

what else needs to be said

[consumerman]

Callen with his great speed only had to beat Kevin Mitchell to get to the outside. Callen was super fast and easily got the corner and was tackled 5 or 6 yards after the first down marker. not 58 yards like this guy is trying to say. Callen hit the hole and cut to his left which was the side i was sitting at. Kevin Mitchell was the only linebacker to that side. Callen outran him to the outside and picked up the first by 5 or 6 yards. I know this because the first thing i did after the run is look at the first down markers on the field.

how m any errors can you make in one thread

I will pull out the USA Today Article

I will pull out my video of the game

I will pull out 2 books

I will bet you 10,000 dollars he gained 58 yards on that play

this is getting laughable

[steeler 01]

1) the two long pass plays count for six sherlock, that was the ENTIRE offense for MD in 4 quarters - 2 long pass plays

2) unmakeable, you better reread the game highlights to see if it was unmakeable

3) hmmm,. Coach Lad is in the high school football Hall of Fame, ARE YOU?, It has been documented that he spent THE ENTIRE halftime reassigning blocking on that one play. Seems he did something right and sprang the play at the right moment. He also designed the flanker screen / long pass that burned Groetegood at halftime of the 1999 game. I think Coach Lad knows what he is doing

4 games 16 quarters

Mater Dei NEVER LED for as much as 1 second in the 4 games

what else needs to be said

This guy is an absolute joke. Lad in 99 had a team that was way more talented than Mater Dei. DLS in the 4 years that they played Mater Dei had a lot more talent than Mater Dei. If you argue that then I really know you don't know football.

[steeler 01]

how m any errors can you make in one thread

I will pull out the USA Today Article

I will pull out my video of the game

I will pull out 2 books

I will bet you 10,000 dollars he gained 58 yards on that play

this is getting laughable

I will bet a lot he didn't. DLS was at around the 39. The play ended around the 23 or 25. USA Today is a joke. Don't pull that piece of crap out on me.

[consumerman]

USA TODAY PAGE 10C MONDAY SEPTEMBER 28, 1998

De La Salle Wins California Clash

..... De La Salle dominated the first half to take a 21-7 lead. But Mater Dei had climbed back to 21-21 and had the momentum when DLS faced a 3rd and 32 on its own 19 yard line ... but DLS star running back Atari Callen cut back on a trap for a 58 yard gain that set up the winning touchdown.....

[steeler 01]

http://talk.ocregister.com/showthread.php?t=31243

Like i said they were driving before the turnover on downs. the fumble was irrelevant.

[steeler 01]

USA TODAY PAGE 10C MONDAY SEPTEMBER 28, 1998

De La Salle Wins California Clash

..... De La Salle dominated the first half to take a 21-7 lead. But Mater Dei had climbed back to 21-21 and had the momentum when DLS faced a 3rd and 32 on its own 19 yard line ... but DLS star running back Atari Callen cut back on a trap for a 58 yard gain that set up the winning touchdown.....

I will never pay attention to the USA Today they get everything wrong.

[consumerman]

I will bet a lot he didn't. DLS was at around the 39. The play ended around the 23 or 25. USA Today is a joke. Don't pull that piece of crap out on me.

I have the game on tape and have watched it at least 3-4 times EACH YEAR since 1998.

It was a 58 yard gain

I hate to tell you (cuz I get ridiculed) but I have aphotographic memory

It was a 58 yard gain then

a 58 yard gain today

you are simply mistaken (and a little stubborn)

[consumerman]

http://talk.ocregister.com/showthread.php?t=31243

Like i said they were driving before the turnover on downs. the fumble was irrelevant.

the fumble was recovered by DLS

it did not end the drive on downs

how many mistakes are you gonna make?

[pied]

1) the two long pass plays count for six sherlock, that was the ENTIRE offense for MD in 4 quarters - 2 long pass plays

2) unmakeable, you better reread the game highlights to see if it was unmakeable

3) hmmm,. Coach Lad is in the high school football Hall of Fame, ARE YOU?, It has been documented that he spent THE ENTIRE halftime reassigning blocking on that one play. Seems he did something right and sprang the play at the right moment. He also designed the flanker screen / long pass that burned Groetegood at halftime of the 1999 game. I think Coach Lad knows what he is doing

4 games 16 quarters

Mater Dei NEVER LED for as much as 1 second in the 4 games

what else needs to be said


Maybe someone should have suggested that play to him last year in the title game on 4th and short, instead of the pitch back that went for a loss.

Now I know I shouldn't second guess a guy in the HOF, but it appears to me sometimes calls work and sometimes they don't.

I'd also suggest that if he called better plays on first and second downs, perhaps they wouldn't have been facing 3rd and 30+, right. Maybe he spent all halftime designing those plays to lose 20 yards to set up the "trap". Brilliant move!!!!

[steeler 01]

I have the game on tape and have watched it at least 3-4 times EACH YEAR since 1998.

It was a 58 yard gain

I hate to tell you (cuz I get ridiculed) but I have aphotographic memory

It was a 58 yard gain then

a 58 yard gain today

you are simply mistaken (and a little stubborn)

You also said they never crossed midfield in the 4th. Another person at the game says they were driving much like i say.

[steeler 01]

the fumble was recovered by DLS

it did not end the drive on downs

how many mistakes are you gonna make?

It was 4th down. A Fumble is irrelevant on 4th down.

[consumerman]

I was at all four games Patty. The first one was at Angel stadium. Our Quarterback's name was Scott Lukash and we were trailing by a TD with only a few minutes left. We had set up a nice drive and were within the redzone. A pass play was called and Lukash was sacked by I believe Simon (who happens to be in the NFL now). Game over.

so what some guy posts on an internet chat board is true?

1) they were not in the red zone

2) they were not even in DLS territory

3) it was not Simon, it a lineman called Chris Hess

4) DLS had to run off several plays to run out the clock

I believe it was first down and MD may have had a player or two open but Lukash never had a chance

[steeler 01]

I was at all four games Patty. The first one was at Angel stadium. Our Quarterback's name was Scott Lukash and we were trailing by a TD with only a few minutes left. We had set up a nice drive and were within the redzone. A pass play was called and Lukash was sacked by I believe Simon (who happens to be in the NFL now). Game over.

so what some guy posts on an internet chat board is true?

1) they were not in the red zone

2) they were not even in DLS territory

3) it was not Simon, it a lineman called Chris Hess

4) DLS had to run off several plays to run out the clock

I believe it was first down and MD may have had a player or two open but Lukash never had a chance

It was the left end i believe,but they were deep in DLS territory. For you to say they didn't cross midfield in the 4th is totally false.

[consumerman]

Maybe someone should have suggested that play to him last year in the title game on 4th and short, instead of the pitch back that went for a loss.

Now I know I shouldn't second guess a guy in the HOF, but it appears to me sometimes calls work and sometimes they don't.

I'd also suggest that if he called better plays on first and second downs, perhaps they wouldn't have been facing 3rd and 30+, right. Maybe he spent all halftime designing those plays to lose 20 yards to set up the "trap". Brilliant move!!!!

I will put Coach Lad and DLS up against any TEXAS team and and coach ever

yeah DLS loses every once in a while

even games they diont choke away 5 turnovers on their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage a la perfect little turnover city

[consumerman]

It was the left end i believe,but they were deep in DLS territory. For you to say they didn't cross midfield in the 4th is totally false.

I will gladly pull out my tape of the game and give you ALL THE FACTS

[steeler 01]

I will gladly pull out my tape of the game and give you ALL THE FACTS

Pull out your tape and put it on YOUTUBE.

[steeler 01]

Also tell me how Jose Aguilar catching a bomb on one of your cb's was luck?

[consumerman]

from my DVD copy (made from original VHS tape)

start of 4th Q

time on DVD 1:37:19

DLS has ball 3rd and 32 on own 19 yard line

Callen runs to MD 23 yard line

that is 58 yards

SoCal announcer calls it a 58 yard gain

1 FACT PROVEN

[consumerman]

SECOND POINT

time on DVD 1:54:17

MD has 4th and inches on the DLS 46

I stand corrected, 4 yards inside DLS territory but nowhere near the red zone or in scoring territory

Mitchell runs for 1 yard and the first down

first and 10

Lukash backed to pass

sacked by Chris Hess

recovered by DLS

SO they WERE in DLS territory (by 4 yards)

It was 1st and 10

It was Chris Hess who caused the fumble

they were not in the red zone or anywhere close to it

[steeler 01]

SECOND POINT

time on DVD 1:54:17

MD has 4th and inches on the DLS 46

I stand corrected, 4 yards inside DLS territory but nowhere near the red zone or in scoring territory

Mitchell runs for 1 yard and the first down

first and 10

Lukash backed to pass

sacked by Chris Hess

recovered by DLS

SO they WERE in DLS territory (by 4 yards)

It was 1st and 10

It was Chris Hess who caused the fumble

they were not in the red zone or anywhere close to it

Put the game on Youtube.

[consumerman]

Also tell me how Jose Aguilar catching a bomb on one of your cb's was luck?

what I am saying is they hit 2 long passes and that was their entire offense the whole game, even pros admit hitting a long pass is more luck than skill

by the way, tell us about the #8 you recruited from another team (didnt help you win) and about the steroid accusation that Mater Dei has never answered sufficently

[steeler 01]

SECOND POINT

time on DVD 1:54:17

MD has 4th and inches on the DLS 46

I stand corrected, 4 yards inside DLS territory but nowhere near the red zone or in scoring territory

Mitchell runs for 1 yard and the first down

first and 10

Lukash backed to pass

sacked by Chris Hess

recovered by DLS

SO they WERE in DLS territory (by 4 yards)

It was 1st and 10

It was Chris Hess who caused the fumble

they were not in the red zone or anywhere close to it

Did you just watch the game,because i'm sure they would have said #71Chis Hesse.

[steeler 01]

what I am saying is they hit 2 long passes and that was their entire offense the whole game, even pros admit hitting a long pass is more luck than skill

by the way, tell us about the #8 you recruited from another team (didnt help you win) and about the steroid accusation that Mater Dei has never answered sufficently

Millhouse is that who your referring to? I don' know anything about your accusation. i don't have any affiliation with Mater Dei.

[steeler 01]

Most loony DLS fan I've ever seen.

[consumerman]

Most loony DLS fan I've ever seen.

correcting your NUMEROUS factual errors makes me loony?

try getting your facts straight on just about everything (not your OPINIONS)

and then post

and forget about scolding others about SS football

you have more errors than a pee wee baseball team

[consumerman]

It was 4th down. A Fumble is irrelevant on 4th down.

proven wrong

it was 1st and 10

[steeler 01]

correcting your NUMEROUS factual errors makes me loony?

try getting your facts straight on just about everything (not your OPINIONS)

and then post

and forget about scolding others about SS football

you have more errors than a pee wee baseball team

Errors? I'll be getting the DLS-Mater Dei 98 game this week. Had to call a Bosco coach to get the tape. If i'm wrong i'll admit it,but from our talk he confirmed what i said. He said they barely gave up the first as he recalls also.

[pied]

what I am saying is they hit 2 long passes and that was their entire offense the whole game, even pros admit hitting a long pass is more luck than skill

by the way, tell us about the #8 you recruited from another team (didnt help you win) and about the steroid accusation that Mater Dei has never answered sufficently


But everyone knows calling a trap play on 3rd and 30+ is not luck, but great coaching.....

You are genius....

[steeler 01]

proven wrong

it was 1st and 10

What have you done to show I'm wrong? All you've done is supposedly say you watched the game.

[consumerman]

Callen barely made the first down by about 5 yards.

proven WRONG 58 yard gain

Mater Dei was on 4th down when Lukash fumbled.

proven WRONG it was 1st and 10

The fumble was irrevelant.

the fumble was VERY RELEVANT

Mater Dei was deep in DLS territory.

They were on LS 46 yard line

that is not DEEP in DLS territory



you are like 0 for 5

just admit you arer wrong

[steeler 01]

Callen barely made the first down by about 5 yards.

proven WRONG 58 yard gain

Mater Dei was on 4th down when Lukash fumbled.

proven WRONG it was 1st and 10

The fumble was irrevelant.

the fumble was VERY RELEVANT

Mater Dei was deep in DLS territory.

They were on LS 46 yard line

that is not DEEP in DLS territory



you are like 0 for 5

just admit you arer wrong

Where's your proof?

[consumerman]

Errors? I'll be getting the DLS-Mater Dei 98 game this week. Had to call a Bosco coach to get the tape. If i'm wrong i'll admit it,but from our talk he confirmed what i said. He said they barely gave up the first as he recalls also.

I gave you the down the distance, the yard line where the play started and where Callen was tackled/went out of bounds

I gave you the USA Today report on the game

I gave you the SoCal announcer call of a 58 yard gain

they are all wrong but you and a 10 yr old failed memory is right?

[steeler 01]

Callen barely made the first down by about 5 yards.

proven WRONG 58 yard gain

Mater Dei was on 4th down when Lukash fumbled.

proven WRONG it was 1st and 10

The fumble was irrevelant.

the fumble was VERY RELEVANT

Mater Dei was deep in DLS territory.

They were on LS 46 yard line

that is not DEEP in DLS territory



you are like 0 for 5

just admit you arer wrong

Don't use USA Today they have many errors and i can show you tons of them if you'd like.

[steeler 01]

I gave you the down the distance, the yard line where the play started and where Callen was tackled/went out of bounds

I gave you the USA Today report on the game

I gave you the SoCal announcer call of a 58 yard gain

they are all wrong but you and a 10 yr old failed memory is right?

You took the USA Today article and added the yards up to come up with 58 yards. When did we hear the SoCal call of John Jackson and John Watson?

[consumerman]

How many proof sources do you need?

Well I will give you one more anyway

When The Game Stands Tall Page 349

Callen took the handoff, got a key block and flashed into the secondary. He was finally dragged down after a 58 yard gain.

[steeler 01]

How many proof sources do you need?

Well I will give you one more anyway

When The Game Stands Tall Page 349

Callen took the handoff, got a key block and flashed into the secondary. He was finally dragged down after a 58 yard gain.

If thats what the book says then your right and I'm wrong. I don't have that book.

[consumerman]

You took the USA Today article and added the yards up to come up with 58 yards. When did we hear the SoCal call of John Jackson and John Watson?

see where is it says Socal announcer calls it a 58 yard gain (previous post)

are you this stubborn?

or just dense?

[steeler 01]

see where is it says Socal announcer calls it a 58 yard gain (previous post)

are you this stubborn?

or just dense?

You can't use the announcers call because we'd have to hear it for ourselves, but the book is a solid source.

[steeler 01]

I'll get the tape on friday and watch it on saturday and get back to you on the game.

[consumerman]

I'll get the tape on friday and watch it on saturday and get back to you on the game.

there is nothing to get back to me on

I know the game backwards and forwards