TX own national Power Euless Trinity

[RidgePride]

Check them out.

Yeah the team from the Gatorade commercial


Trinity Trojans (http://www.trojansportsvideo.com/)

[WrongPerson]

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for them when they were doing the haka and claiming it for their own. They're not even speaking in their native language....yeesh

[SLCDad]

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for them when they were doing the haka and claiming it for their own. They're not even speaking in their native language....yeesh

I lost a lot of respect for you for writing a post like this.

[Bordertown]

It is different and it has definitely created team unity. The community has a large Somoan population. There is a connection of the community to the dance.

To me it is no different from inner city marching band immitating the Grambling or Southern Band.

[thsmustang06]

I actually thought they were a private school when i first seen that gatorade commercial but i found out they were public.

[WrongPerson]

It is different and it has definitely created team unity. The community has a large Somoan population. There is a connection of the community to the dance.

To me it is no different from inner city marching band immitating the Grambling or Southern Band.

Oh I have no problem with them actually doing it, its just i saw in some interview that they made it up as a pregame ritual of sorts. I know Hawaii does the old All Black haka, yet they recognize it wasn't theirs to begin with. What I'd really like to see is Trinity or Hawaii try to make one of their own instead of taking "Ka Mate" or some other haka.

And SLCDad, please think about what you post before you actually do it....because you don't know what you're talking about.

[SLCDad]

Oh I have no problem with them actually doing it, its just i saw in some interview that they made it up as a pregame ritual of sorts. I know Hawaii does the old All Black haka, yet they recognize it wasn't theirs to begin with. What I'd really like to see is Trinity or Hawaii try to make one of their own instead of taking "Ka Mate" or some other haka.

And SLCDad, please think about what you post before you actually do it....because you don't know what you're talking about.

Actually, Euless Trinity has a very large Tongan population (not Samoen). In fact it's the largest Tongan community in the world outside of Tonga. A few years ago some of the Tongan players went to the coach and asked if they could do the Haka before and after games to build team unity. The fans really like it to.

I think you were out of place criticizing these 16 and 17 year olds for doing it.

[WrongPerson]

Actually, Euless Trinity has a very large Tongan population (not Samoen). In fact it's the largest Tongan community in the world outside of Tonga. A few years ago some of the Tongan players went to the coach and asked if they could do the Haka before and after games to build team unity. The fans really like it to.

I think you were out of place criticizing these 16 and 17 year olds for doing it.

Like I said, I have no problem for them doing it, Hawaii does it and I have no problem with them doing it. But out of respect for the game of rugby and to the All Blacks (New Zealand's national team) they should give some sport of respect to the team that brought it into the sports world by acknowledging that they do it instead of saying 'oh we made it up'. And if there really is a large tongan community, why are they doing the new zealand haka?...i somewhat doubt that they're doing the haka because of their heritage when they decide to do their 'rival' country's haka.

[yallerjacket]

Oh I have no problem with them actually doing it, its just i saw in some interview that they made it up as a pregame ritual of sorts. I know Hawaii does the old All Black haka, yet they recognize it wasn't theirs to begin with. What I'd really like to see is Trinity or Hawaii try to make one of their own instead of taking "Ka Mate" or some other haka.

And SLCDad, please think about what you post before you actually do it....because you don't know what you're talking about.

I doubt anyone associated with Trinity claimed to have "made it up". Should there be some kind of disclaimer announcement over the PA system before each time they do it or something?

[WrongPerson]

I doubt anyone associated with Trinity claimed to have "made it up". Should there be some kind of disclaimer announcement over the PA system before each time they do it or something?

If you'd read what I said, in an interview i saw with, what i believe were the o-linemen...created it to intimidate the other team, while pumping up their own.

[SLCDad]

If you'd read what I said, in an interview i saw with, what i believe were the o-linemen...created it to intimidate the other team, while pumping up their own.

Trinity has been doing the Haka for longer than any of the current players have been on the team.

It hardly intimidates the opposing team because they do it facing their own crowd on their own sidelines. The other team can hardly see it. It's not all that different from the cheerleaders leading a cheer. Not only that, they do it a 2nd time after each game is over.

By the way, the Haka is done by many high schools and colleges in the USA. In almost every case it's due to a large number of polynesian players on the team, just like Trinity.

You are right, the Haka started in New Zealand in Rugby but it's common on many of the islands of the pacific in various versions and with various names.

[WrongPerson]

Trinity has been doing the Haka for longer than any of the current players have been on the team.

It hardly intimidates the opposing team because they do it facing their own crowd on their own sidelines. The other team can hardly see it. It's not all that different from the cheerleaders leading a cheer. Not only that, they do it a 2nd time after each game is over.

By the way, the Haka is done by many high schools and colleges in the USA. In almost every case it's due to a large number of polynesian players on the team, just like Trinity.

You are right, the Haka started in New Zealand in Rugby but it's common on many of the islands of the pacific in various versions and with various names.

Hey I'm just saying what i heard in their interview, nothing more nothing less...thought that maybe they should at least know what the haka is, and where its taken from to give some sort of respect for the dance to whichever country they copied it from (in this case new zealand).

The haka didnt actually start with All Black Rugby, it was used to summon their blood/war god, New Zealand just brought it into the world of sports. I also know other pacific island countries have some sort of haka, but the one Trinity is using is from New Zealand. If you need more convincing"

All Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83U_Vg1GRvA

Trinity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtKMEVRyySs

Tonga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ednYYZOS4

just for fun...All Black vs Tonga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQm_7SDCxfE&mode=related&search=

[yallerjacket]

Hey I'm just saying what i heard in their interview, nothing more nothing less...thought that maybe they should at least know what the haka is, and where its taken from to give some sort of respect for the dance to whichever country they copied it from (in this case new zealand).



So the next time I decide to do the chicken dance, I should first find out its origins so I'm not being disrespectful, right?

[WrongPerson]

You know what, yes. You should.

PLEASE understand what I am saying. I DON'T CARE THAT THEY DO IT, do you understand that? I do not care that they participate in the dance known as the haka. What I DO care about is they're taking the credit for someone else's work, and saying its their own. Do you understand that?

Let me say it once more, maybe you'll understand it better.

Doing the haka and saying they created it = bad.

Doing the haka and saying someone else created it = good.

Any questions?

[WoodyHayes]

You know what, yes. You should.

PLEASE understand what I am saying. I DON'T CARE THAT THEY DO IT, do you understand that? I do not care that they participate in the dance known as the haka. What I DO care about is they're taking the credit for someone else's work, and saying its their own. Do you understand that?

Let me say it once more, maybe you'll understand it better.

Doing the haka and saying they created it = bad.

Doing the haka and saying someone else created it = good.

Any questions?
In the last 6 years what do you think St. X's record would be against Trinity?
Do ya think the Bombers should have been the ones on tv?

[WrongPerson]

In the last 6 years what do you think St. X's record would be against Trinity?
Do ya think the Bombers should have been the ones on tv?

Probably 2-4 or 3-3 with wins in 01 05 06?, not too sure what your 2nd question is.

[BuckeyeJon2006]

In the last 6 years what do you think St. X's record would be against Trinity?
Do ya think the Bombers should have been the ones on tv?

1. That has nothing to do with his point about the dance they claim as there own. But, X would have def beaten Trinity in 05. Don't know anything about Trinity in the others years to say yes or no to the rest but X was very good in 01 and pretty good in 06 as well. But again, that has nothing to do with his point.
2. Yes they deserve to be on tv. They are top 5 pre season this year and are playing another top 5/10 team, there is only one other game that can match that in high school football this year (SLC NW). Other then the Colerain fans you are one of the biggest X haters on this site.

[yallerjacket]

1. That has nothing to do with his point about the dance they claim as there own.

You guys are clueless. Do you honestly think Trinity claims the dance as "their own"? If the Trinity player WrongPerson cites as saying they "created" it to intimidate the other team really said that, I'm sure he meant they "created" the tradition, not the dance itself.

[Bordertown]

I think you are correct Yallerjacket. My understanding is one of the polynesian players started doing the dance and the other players thought it was cool and he taught it to the team. It has become a tradition at the school.

[BuckeyeJon2006]

You guys are clueless. Do you honestly think Trinity claims the dance as "their own"? If the Trinity player WrongPerson cites as saying they "created" it to intimidate the other team really said that, I'm sure he meant they "created" the tradition, not the dance itself.

I never said they did, I was just telling woodyhayes that his comment had nothing to do with what wrongperson was saying.

[WrongPerson]

You guys are clueless. Do you honestly think Trinity claims the dance as "their own"? If the Trinity player WrongPerson cites as saying they "created" it to intimidate the other team really said that, I'm sure he meant they "created" the tradition, not the dance itself.

Hey now I'm not putting any words in any mouth. When asked by the interviewer something to the effect of "Where did you think of making a dance like this?" the guy who responded said, "We created it". Now if they meant to say we created the tradition good lord, someone sucks at answering questions. To be honest, i wouldnt doubt that the guys who were given the interview were not the guys that brought it over to Trinity, and the guys that gave the interview didnt know jack ---- about it. Thats just the way he kind of seemed when asked the question. But still, if there are a lot of polynesion players on the team, someone should have told them about it.

[Bordertown]

But still, if there are a lot of polynesion players on the team, someone should have told them about it.

Why? They have created an identity which is different from running through a blow up animal and velcro banner. It adds color the game. It's that simple. I have not heard anyone is suing them to cease and desist. However on a regular basis, I hear about schools infringing on the copyrights of others (particularly with logos).

[WrongPerson]

Why? They have created an identity which is different from running through a blow up animal and velcro banner. It adds color the game. It's that simple. I have not heard anyone is suing them to cease and desist. However on a regular basis, I hear about schools infringing on the copyrights of others (particularly with logos).

They didnt create anything, like I've said and if you saw in the video, they don't even speak in their native tongue, they probably dont even know what the meaning of the words they're saying.

But whatever, I know they're not gonna change it, but I would challenge them to take from the haka that they're doing now and make their own.

[Bordertown]

They didnt create anything, like I've said and if you saw in the video, they don't even speak in their native tongue, they probably dont even know what the meaning of the words they're saying.



They like doing it, their fans enjoy it,and I have not heard any opponents are offended. I think you are being a little bit too deep for me. Basically everything is copied we see on Friday night including the school songs sung to one of 15 tunes.

[SLCDad]

Probably 2-4 or 3-3 with wins in 01 05 06?, not too sure what your 2nd question is.

Any game between StX and Trinity in 2005 would have been great. Both ended up large school champs in their respective states. Frankly, I'd favor StX, but not by much.

Even though Trinity didn't win state in 2006 (thanks for SLC) I've got to think Trinity would be a heavy favorite.

I have no clue about the other years.

[PorkopolisPigskin]

It is different and it has definitely created team unity. The community has a large Somoan population. There is a connection of the community to the dance.

To me it is no different from inner city marching band immitating the Grambling or Southern Band.

except that Grambling and Southern Band are 100% american... NOT 100% New Zealand all-blacks...

[WrongPerson]

They like doing it, their fans enjoy it,and I have not heard any opponents are offended. I think you are being a little bit too deep for me. Basically everything is copied we see on Friday night including the school songs sung to one of 15 tunes.

No doubt the fans like it, I like it when the All Blacks do it. And that is prolly why i was the most offended out of anyone here when Trinity does it without mentioning who 'started' it - and its because im an All Black fan. I doubt there are many All Black fans, let alone rugby fans in general that may be offended by it in the state of Texas...but I do know I'm not alone.

[ColerainWinsAgain]

No doubt the fans like it, I like it when the All Blacks do it. And that is prolly why i was the most offended out of anyone here when Trinity does it without mentioning who 'started' it - and its because im an All Black fan. I doubt there are many All Black fans, let alone rugby fans in general that may be offended by it in the state of Texas...but I do know I'm not alone.

Ok, if from now on Trinity had a PA announcement saying "Now for the Haka which was started by the All Blacks" (Which it wasn't) would it be Ok?

How about when teams come on the field they have to give credit to the person who created the fight song?

[pied]

I prefer this version personally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oulQwIP9VQQ

[TrojanHorse03]

1. That has nothing to do with his point about the dance they claim as there own. But, X would have def beaten Trinity in 05. Don't know anything about Trinity in the others years to say yes or no to the rest but X was very good in 01 and pretty good in 06 as well. But again, that has nothing to do with his point.


I respectfully disagree with you, and we're mostly likely not going to see eye to eye so we'll have to agree to disagree. But I have plenty of respect for St. Xavier and their program. The '05 Trinity Trojans certainly weren't infallible or unbeatable as they lost...but nonetheless I still would be confortable putting them against any team past or present, but again I'm not claiming them as unbeatable or infallible just very, very good. It would be a pleasure to watch those two programs go head 2 head one day.

[WrongPerson]

Ok, if from now on Trinity had a PA announcement saying "Now for the Haka which was started by the All Blacks" (Which it wasn't) would it be Ok?

How about when teams come on the field they have to give credit to the person who created the fight song?

I know this has been forever, but it was just bumped up so I gotta defend myself=P

I believe I said I wouldn't mind them doing it if they gave credit where credit is due. In an interview I one of the football players said that they made it up to pump them and their crowd up. I know it wasn't invented by the All Blacks, but they were the first to bring it to the pitch. They don't have to announce that the Haka by the all blacks is going to be recited, but when asked don't be a moron and say that they made it up, when they clearly didn't.

[TrojanHorse03]

I know this has been forever, but it was just bumped up so I gotta defend myself=P

I believe I said I wouldn't mind them doing it if they gave credit where credit is due. In an interview I one of the football players said that they made it up to pump them and their crowd up. I know it wasn't invented by the All Blacks, but they were the first to bring it to the pitch. They don't have to announce that the Haka by the all blacks is going to be recited, but when asked don't be a moron and say that they made it up, when they clearly didn't.

I haven't seen that quote, not disputing it exists still doesn't give you license to refer to a kid that you only have ONE quotation to judge by as a moron. Most likely the quote you're tripping on, and subsequently out of line in name calling a kid you've never met before, over was most likely someone misspeaking which happens to EVERYONE or possibly even worse a misquote which also often happen. Trinity has been doing the HAKA since 2005, and even in that short period of time it been covered in a ton stories. Not all the stories have taken the time to mention the initial story that led to Trinity perform the HAKA that's all performed by the All Blacks. If you've heard that story you would already know that the players that proposed performing this HAKA cited the All Blacks numerously from the get go, in addition to showing the coaches when initially proposing off the internet being performed by the All Blacks.