SLC vs. MNW (No Insults Please)

[SLCDad]

Since the last thread about SLC vs. MNW imploded due to insults and personal attacks, I thought I'd start another thread. Please don't destroy this thread.

Here is a post from a non-SLC fan that I found on another board. I thought I'd re-post it here:

From Boto24:

"Let me pose this question. Has Southlake rebuilt their defense time after time over the last five years? The answer is a resounding yes. Granted they don't have a DC at this point, unless one has recently been hired. Having to replace nine starters on either side of the ball is a real challenge, but this is where SLC's feeder programs pay their dividends. Most starters at Carroll don't start until they're a senior unless they're exceptionally talented standouts at the JV level.

"Two areas SLC will heavily outweigh MNW is depth (backups that can play just as good as the starters) and the consistency of coaching at the sub-levels. Sub-level excellence, combined with utilizing every minute in the offseason (excellent time management) to groom the underclassmen for the upcoming season has allowed Carroll to fill the voids they have year after year.

"They teach techniques and schemes to the kids starting in 4th and 5th grade. By the time these kids reach the 11th and 12th grade, the system is engrained in their psyche. Why do you think Carroll continues to produce D1 quarterbacks year after year, some of which don't even start until they're a senior? It's because of a world class system that's been in place there for over 20 years. Their performance on the field is a reflection of their values off the field. The Class of 2008 is no exception. Carroll will have nothing but respect for MNW, but you can bet Carroll will not be outworked by any team in the offseason.

"I think MNW is a real threat, but they have never, let me repeat that, NEVER played an opponent with an athletic system as organized or disciplined as Carroll. There MIGHT be five public schools in the nation that are comparable to Carroll in overall emphasis on excellence in every phase of education from academics to athletics. If anyone thinks MNW will simply out-muscle, outrun, or out-athlete SLC, they will be in for a real shock on Sept. 15th. All other teams and coaches that had that philosophy are 0-79 against Carroll over the past five years."

I agree.

Personally, I'm really glad the game vs. DLS didn't work out. Since DLS has been losing the last few years they are dropping out of the top of the national rankings. Miami Northwestern finished in the top 5 in 2006 (depending on the poll) and will probably be #2 in the nation at the time of the game.

#1 vs #2 should be fantastic. Based on performance on the field and based on players returning both teams are well deserving of those rankings (if the rankings happen as many expect).

Miami may have the best individual athletes of any team in the nation. SLC has been the best program in the nation in recent years. WHAT MORE CAN ANYONE ASK FOR IN A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME.

Fantastic!!!!!

[djtomr941]

Since the last thread about SLC vs. MNW imploded due to insults and personal attacks, I thought I'd start another thread. Please don't destroy this thread.

Here is a post from a non-SLC fan that I found on another board. I thought I'd re-post it here:

From Boto24:

"Let me pose this question. Has Southlake rebuilt their defense time after time over the last five years? The answer is a resounding yes. Granted they don't have a DC at this point, unless one has recently been hired. Having to replace nine starters on either side of the ball is a real challenge, but this is where SLC's feeder programs pay their dividends. Most starters at Carroll don't start until they're a senior unless they're exceptionally talented standouts at the JV level.

"Two areas SLC will heavily outweigh MNW is depth (backups that can play just as good as the starters) and the consistency of coaching at the sub-levels. Sub-level excellence, combined with utilizing every minute in the offseason (excellent time management) to groom the underclassmen for the upcoming season has allowed Carroll to fill the voids they have year after year.

"They teach techniques and schemes to the kids starting in 4th and 5th grade. By the time these kids reach the 11th and 12th grade, the system is engrained in their psyche. Why do you think Carroll continues to produce D1 quarterbacks year after year, some of which don't even start until they're a senior? It's because of a world class system that's been in place there for over 20 years. Their performance on the field is a reflection of their values off the field. The Class of 2008 is no exception. Carroll will have nothing but respect for MNW, but you can bet Carroll will not be outworked by any team in the offseason.

"I think MNW is a real threat, but they have never, let me repeat that, NEVER played an opponent with an athletic system as organized or disciplined as Carroll. There MIGHT be five public schools in the nation that are comparable to Carroll in overall emphasis on excellence in every phase of education from academics to athletics. If anyone thinks MNW will simply out-muscle, outrun, or out-athlete SLC, they will be in for a real shock on Sept. 15th. All other teams and coaches that had that philosophy are 0-79 against Carroll over the past five years."

I agree.

Personally, I'm really glad the game vs. DLS didn't work out. Since DLS has been losing the last few years they are dropping out of the top of the national rankings. Miami Northwestern finished in the top 5 in 2006 (depending on the poll) and will probably be #2 in the nation at the time of the game.

#1 vs #2 should be fantastic. Based on performance on the field and based on players returning both teams are well deserving of those rankings (if the rankings happen as many expect).

Miami may have the best individual athletes of any team in the nation. SLC has been the best program in the nation in recent years. WHAT MORE CAN ANYONE ASK FOR IN A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME.

Fantastic!!!!!

Miami NW thanks you for giving them motivation for the offseason. SLC will have to work awfully hard now to outwork Miami NW. Discipline? Miami NW will have that to compliment the most talented team in the country. They will not be phased.

[SLCDad]

I hope MNW doesn't need a post on a Yappi board to give them motivation. If they do that would be sad.

How many state titles have the Bulls won before 2006? What is their record over the last 20, 10, 5 years? Are they a new power in Florida? Have they ever been nationally ranked before 2006? I know they didn't make any noise on the national scene until late in season last year. Do you think the Bulls were better than the Dreadnaughts last year? Due to the rape allegations I heard that Easterling lost his key scholarship offers. Is that true? Where did he end up?

[Chicago]

Nice going, SLCDad.

Apparently, Miami NW wasn't going to work hard in the offseason. But now they will.

I hope you are happy.

[SLCDad]

Nice going, SLCDad.

Apparently, Miami NW wasn't going to work hard in the offseason. But now they will.

I hope you are happy.I'm glad to do my part. I was worried MNW wouldn't be competitive.

[naughty]

I'm glad to do my part. I was worried MNW wouldn't be competitive.

Ha. NO insults. Ooo. Already Breaking that part.

Northwestern Has been ranked before. Finished as high As #6 in past history.

They made noise all season long. No one outside of florida choose to pay attention.

Show me a team that put together a string of 7 shut outs. Still Waiting. Yea you wont find one out there. The bulls Racked up over 300 points easily in that streak.

And yes to tell you truth they looked better then lakeland last year. They looked better then any team i saw last year. The bulls would have beaten anything thrown at them last year in the prep world.

So they are legit as you will find next year along with SLC(of course), De la salle,Washington(miami), And maybe a Summerville, Dematha, or St.X. Those are top 10 to me next year.

[consumerman]

Ya DLS really has been bad

they were ranked #1 in the country from the Herbie until Dec 16

thats like 3 straight months

they are so bad they only kep the #1 ranking for 12 weeks

way way way down That is how low #1 is

again just pitiful the gross errors and conclusions from this guy

[consumerman]

PS


the 49ers won 10 or more games from like 1981 to 1998 (excluding the strike year of 1982)

they were awful all 18 of those years which is a record which probably never will be broken

and when they werent winning super bowls

it was coaches like Mike Holmgren, former 49ers offensive coordinator and Mike Shanahan former 49ers offensive coordinator who were winning Super Bowls

and to take it one step further, the uncle of Patriot 3 time winning super Bowl QB Tom Brady is the prinicipal (head brother) of De La Salle

but those 49ers really were never good those 18 years youre right Mr Fox
in the same period the Cowboys ran the circular route from good to oridinary to bad to ordinary to good to bad like two times

they won those 3 superbowls in the 90s cuz they had the #1 draft choice 2 successive years and hoodwinked the vikings in the worst trade in sports history, they got a grand total of 3 supes and like i said ... lucky they didnt have to play the niners in the 95 playoffs

meanwhile the 49ers won 4 super bowls drafting almost last just about every year

oh ya they got some nobody named Jerry Rice with the 16th pick in the draft the year after they set an NFL record for wins with 18 in 1984 (never surpassed)

and what state is france a part of???

LOL

[SLCDad]

Ha. NO insults. Ooo. Already Breaking that part.

Northwestern Has been ranked before. Finished as high As #6 in past history.

They made noise all season long. No one outside of florida choose to pay attention.

Show me a team that put together a string of 7 shut outs. Still Waiting. Yea you wont find one out there.racked up over 300 points easily in that streak.

And yes to tell you truth they looked better then lakeland last year. They lookd better then team i seen last year. The bulls beaten anything thrown at them last year in the prep world.

So they are legit as you will find next year along with SLC(of course), De la salle,Washington(miami), And maybe a Summerville, Dematha, or St.X. Those are top 10 to me next year. Naughty, I agree with you regarding Northwestern. If you look at my first post in this thread, you will see that I said they will be WELL DESERVING of a #1 or #2 national ranking (if that happens). Don't they have something like 14 starters returning? Plus that huge linemen that transferred from Edision. That's impressive.

Let's look at the downside of each team.

Northwestern's strength of schedule was not great. Here is how the Freeman computer model evaluates their schedule:

Miami Northwestern: 15-0, Schedule Rating: 23.8
WINS: #388 Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs, FL) (34-14), #566 North Miami Beach (FL) (42-20), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (41-0), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (39-12), #1381 Homestead (FL) (46-10), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (42-0), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (48-11), #1694 Jackson (Miami, FL) (41-0), #2176 Edison (Miami, FL) (40-8), #2304 Killian (Miami, FL) (34-20), #2879 Hialeah (FL) (51-0), #3092 Carol City (Miami, FL) (50-13), #4235 American (Hialeah, FL) (41-0), #7034 Hialeah-Miami Lakes (Hialeah, FL) (54-0), #10803 Goleman (Miami, FL) (47-0), LOSSES: none


Here is Carroll's 2006 schedule. It is rated about 2 touchdowns per game tougher than Northwestern's. If this rating is accurate, SLC played 7 games ranked higher than anybody MNW played.

Southlake Carroll: 16-0, Schedule Rating: 37.8
WINS: #37 Trinity (Euless, TX) (22-21), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (33-7), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (56-7), #55 Allen (TX) (38-0), #71 Westlake (Austin, TX) (43-29), #273 Permian (Odessa, TX) (42-6), #328 Grapevine (TX) (45-7), #477 Rockwall (TX) (47-7), #587 Northwest (Justin, TX) (45-21), #607 Evangel Christian (Shreveport, LA) (43-16), #1381 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (38-0), #1467 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (49-13), #1882 Lewisville (TX) (35-0), #1949 Keller Central (Keller, TX) (57-7), #2304 Keller (TX) (64-24), #2795 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (52-14), LOSSES: none

[SLCDad]

Ya DLS really has been bad

they were ranked #1 in the country from the Herbie until Dec 16

thats like 3 straight months

they are so bad they only kep the #1 ranking for 12 weeks

way way way down That is how low #1 is

again just pitiful the gross errors and conclusions from this guyMy point is that DLS has not finished in the national top 10 since 2003. Haven't they averaged about 2 losses per year since then?

Best of luck to DLS in 2007. I hope they make some noise.

Do you think they have the team to move to the top of the national rankings in 2007? How many starters do thay have coming back from last year?

You must admit that since MNW has almost their entire team coming back and SLC has their entire offense coming back that matchup will be the top game in the country. It will most likely be #1 vs. #2. This game will be a more impressive matchup than SLC vs. DLS would have been.

[DLSfanNW]

This game reminds me of SLC vs Trinity.

Are comparisons valid?

[UncleBaldy]

Guys (and I'm not trying to point out anyone specifically), try to keep this to SLC versus Miami Northwestern. DLS has nothing to do with this thread. That is why I closed down the other thread.

[SLCDad]

This game reminds me of SLC vs Trinity.

Are comparisons valid?

I'd say the comparisions are somewhat valid. I know MNW has a couple of very large players and they are large overall. However, they are not a big as Trinity is. Trinity is larger top to bottom. They are massive.

MNW, on the other hand, is loaded with athletes. I saw a National Top 100 prospects list. MNW had 3 players on the list. Their QB is 6'4". They have 3 top D1 WRs. They've got great players in other positions not to mention that 300 lb lineman that transferred from Edision.

SLC will have essentially the same offense that they had vs. Trinity. Although, the SLC offense should be improved with 9 starters having one more year of experience. I'd say that Riley and Tre will have HUGE senior seasons. As has been said over and over, the key will be SLC's defense. They have proven they can reload and they have a fantastic feeder system. However, will it be enough to slow down MNW's offensive? I see that as the key.

The irony regarding SLC's defense is that they don't have a defensive coordinator right now. The 2006 DC is now the DC at Univ of North Texas with Coach Dodge. SLC hired Highland Park's DC but after about a month he changed his mind and went back to Highland Park. Two reasons were cited. 1) He ran a 3-4 scheme. SLC has always run a 4-3 and the HC wanted to keep it that way. 2) Two of his sons had come up through the Highland Park school district and were having a hard time changing and coming to SLC. Both play football. Highland Park has a great program.

[SLCDad]

Guys (and I'm not trying to point out anyone specifically), try to keep this to SLC versus Miami Northwestern. DLS has nothing to do with this thread. That is why I closed down the other thread.
I thought you closed the thread because it was getting nasty. If that was a part of it, you did the right thing. Thanks.

[DLSfanNW]

The irony regarding SLC's defense is that they don't have a defensive coordinator right now. The 2006 DC is now the DC at Univ of North Texas with Coach Dodge. SLC hired Highland Park's DC but after about a month he changed his mind and went back to Highland Park. Two reasons were cited. 1) He ran a 3-4 scheme. SLC has always run a 4-3 and the HC wanted to keep it that way. 2) Two of his sons had come up through the Highland Park school district and were having a hard time changing and coming to SLC. Both play football. Highland Park has a great program.


Thanks for the insight...the plot thickens.

[consumerman]

Guys (and I'm not trying to point out anyone specifically), try to keep this to SLC versus Miami Northwestern. DLS has nothing to do with this thread. That is why I closed down the other thread.

Umm read the first post

QUOTE: Personally, I'm really glad the game vs. DLS didn't work out. Since DLS has been losing the last few years they are dropping out of the top of the national rankings

I think If DLS has nothing to do with this thread, they would not be mentioned so prominently in the opening post.

Just another continued obsession with bashing DLS

[SLCDad]

QUOTE: Personally, I'm really glad the game vs. DLS didn't work out. Since DLS has been losing the last few years they are dropping out of the top of the national rankings.

Just another continued obsession with bashing DLS

How is this bashing DLS? Isn't the statement true?

(DLS has been losing about 2 games per year, average, and hasn't finished in the top 10 since 2003. From SLC's perspective MNW is a replacement on the schedule for DLS. As it's turned out, MNW will be a higher ranked opponent than DLS would have been. That's good for SLC if they want to play the best teams. Stating these facts is not intended to bash DLS.)

[consumerman]

the point was made that this was not a thread about dls

I begged to differ based on the prominent mention in the first post

congrats to slc for losing 1 game in 5 years

dls lost 1 game in 14 years. slc hs to go undefeated the next 9 years to only match what dls did

[consumerman]

dls has lost 6 games the last 5 years
that is about 1 loss a year

dls has lost 7 games the last 17 years
that is less than 1/2 a loss a year

yeah dls has become second rate

[SLCDad]

Yeah, you can use whatever time period you want.

I was referring to the period since the DLS streak ended. Since then they have been losing about 2 games per year and they haven't finished in the top 10 (since 2003). Nobody said DLS is 2nd rate.

I am suggesting that SLC vs. MNW will probably be #1 vs #2. That is a more significant game than SLC vs. DLS would have been. I'd be surprised if DLS started the season in the top 10, and maybe not in the top 20. That is the point I was making.

(I asked about how DLS will be in 2007 but nobody responded.)

SLC was disappointed when the game with DLS didn't work out. As it turns out, however, the replacement opponent is much higher ranked. That's good for SLC (and for MNW).

DLS didn't want to come to Texas. SLC wanted a top ranked opponent. MNW wants a crack at SLC. It seems things worked out for the best for everyone concerned.

[naughty]

Look i dont wanna see no computer rankings they mean nothing With this game.

The game SHOULD BE CLOSE, but who knows what will happen. I see MNW winning this game. One From what i see Slc is kinda blowing them off as just another team right now. Two they have more talent and have more fire power then anything slc has seen in a looooooooong time. And personally i dont think after the first half slc will be able to keep up.

Two great programs

One New comer - Miami Northwestern

One old Comer- Slc

should be a good game. Cant wait. Its the Lakeland Vs. St.X of 2007

[SLCDad]

Look i dont wanna see no computer rankings they mean nothing With this game.

The game SHOULD BE CLOSE, but who knows what will happen. I see MNW winning this game. One From what i see Slc is kinda blowing them off as just another team right now. Two they have more talent and have more fire power then anything slc has seen in a looooooooong time. And personally i dont think after the first half slc will be able to keep up.

Two great programs

One New comer - Miami Northwestern

One old Comer- Slc

should be a good game. Cant wait. Its the Lakeland Vs. St.X of 2007

Trust me, SLC is NOT blowing off MNW. Some fans are talking smack, but you can bet that the SLC coaches and players are taking MNW very, very seriously.

I posted on a Florida board that MNW will probably be the best team that SLC has ever played. I also think that SLC will be the best team that MNW has ever played. Several Florida fans laughed when I said that about SLC.

SLC isn't exactly an "old comer". They have only been in 5A for 5 years. Prior to that they were a smaller school. They have had a great 5 years. (79-1. 5 state finals appearances with 4 titles. 3 national titles. Not bad.) I believe, MNW has been in the large school division for much longer than SLC.

[UncleBaldy]

I thought you closed the thread because it was getting nasty. If that was a part of it, you did the right thing. Thanks.

It was pretty much for both reasons. I have enjoyed the debate about Miami NW and SLC. I don't know why some people couldn't just leave it at that and had to throw DLS into the ring.

[SLCDad]

It was pretty much for both reasons. I have enjoyed the debate about Miami NW and SLC. I don't know why some people couldn't just leave it at that and had to throw DLS into the ring.
I understand and agree.

The connection of DLS to the SLC vs MNW game is that the game was originally supposed to be SLC vs DLS. Most fans in Texas thought the SLC vs. DLS game was set for 2007. Also, DLS was ranked #1 by USA Today for much of the 2006 season. It appeared that the SLC vs. DLS game would be the "premier" high school football game in the nation in 2007. However, since DLS lost their first chance to prove themselves in a state title game, even if the SLC vs. DLS game had happened, it would not have been as exciting since DLS lost. I'd be surprised if DLS makes the top 10 in the 2007 preseason rankings. They may not make the top 20.

MNW was a proven winner in 2006. They won the Florida big school title. They are STACKED with D1 athletes with most of their starters coming back on both offense and defense. They could be the best team in the nation in 2007.

SLC's record speaks for itself. They are three time defending national champs.

I can't think of a more significant high school football game in the entire USA than SLC vs. MNW (prior to all of the state playoffs which are more important than any state vs state match-up). Of course if either team loses before the game my comment won't be true.

Since DLS didn't want to come to Texas (or couldn't afford to come) they got what they wanted. SLC got an even better opponent for that open slot on their schedule. Everybody should be happy.

[Bordertown]

They teach techniques and schemes to the kids starting in 4th and 5th grade

I have a bit of a problem with this statement. I think most Orthopedics would agree kids do not need to be playing tackle football at this age. Texas High does not have a program until 8th grade. 6th and 7th grade is "pre-athletics" to develop the growing students. I think you have to consider the 60 to 70 years of life after the 12th grade.

[Chicago]

I thought they held football players in Texas back so that in 4th and 5th grade they were already 13 or 14 years old.

So it shouldn't really be an issue.

[SLCDad]

They don't have football in the Southlake Carroll school district in the 4th and 5th grade. I'm not sure who wrote the statement you quoted (you didn't cite your source).

Perhaps he was referring to Pee Wee football. That is not connected to the schools and those teams don't run the same offenses as the school teams.

[Plaindriver]

My point is that DLS has not finished in the national top 10 since 2003. Haven't they averaged about 2 losses per year since then?

Best of luck to DLS in 2007. I hope they make some noise.

Do you think they have the team to move to the top of the national rankings in 2007? How many starters do thay have coming back from last year?

You must admit that since MNW has almost their entire team coming back and SLC has their entire offense coming back that matchup will be the top game in the country. It will most likely be #1 vs. #2. This game will be a more impressive matchup than SLC vs. DLS would have been.


Hey Dad, you make a quasi jab at DLS because they lost 6 games in the past 3 yrs; you could also note that they lost 6 games in the past 15 yrs. It seems like you are putting them on a lower level due to their recent history. Yet, you also try to expose MNW because of their LACK of recent history, like over the past 5, 10, 20 yrs. Here is your offering re MNW:

""How many state titles have the Bulls won before 2006? What is their record over the last 20, 10, 5 years? Are they a new power in Florida? Have they ever been nationally ranked before 2006? I know they didn't make any noise on the national scene until late in season last year. Do you think the Bulls were better than the Dreadnaughts last year? ""

Your rating criteria re opponents just seems to be inconsistent.

[DLSfanNW]

[QUOTE=SLCDad; 2) Two of his sons had come up through the Highland Park school district and were having a hard time changing and coming to SLC. Both play football. [/QUOTE]

Is it possible the boys were partial to their natural hair color and did not want to be forced to look like MnM?

What do you say to the accusations that SLC, which could clearly afford another high school, chooses instead to have two full size schools split 9th and 10th in one and 11th 12th in the other yet both playing under one athletic umbrella and that this is done primarily for athletic reasons?

Do you think this gives Carroll an unfair advantage?

Do any other schools in Texas do this?

[Bordertown]

[QUOTE=SLCDad;2442131]They don't have football in the Southlake Carroll school district in the 4th and 5th grade. I'm not sure who wrote the statement you quoted (you didn't cite your source).
QUOTE]

It was from the quote from another site that you posted in blue.

[Bordertown]

What do you say to the accusations that SLC, which could clearly afford another high school, chooses instead to have two full size schools split 9th and 10th in one and 11th 12th in the other yet both playing under one athletic umbrella and that this is done primarily for athletic reasons?

Do you think this gives Carroll an unfair advantage?

Do any other schools in Texas do this?

This is not uncommon in Texas. Southlake's enrollment is 2408 and they are the 4th largest school in their district out of 8 teams. The UIL combines the enrollment from both campuses.

Plano has 8 schools - 3 are senior high (11th & 12th) and 5 high schools (9th and 10th). The ADA of the high schools are included in the attendence zone of the senior high schools. The smallest Plano schools has an enrollment of 4,156 and the largest 5652.

Hope that helps.

[SLCDad]

What do you say to the accusations that SLC, which could clearly afford another high school, chooses instead to have two full size schools split 9th and 10th in one and 11th 12th in the other yet both playing under one athletic umbrella and that this is done primarily for athletic reasons?

Do you think this gives Carroll an unfair advantage?

Do any other schools in Texas do this?Your premise is false.

SLC has one high school but two campuses. They are about 1 mile apart. There are shuttle buses going between the two every period. Many students have classes at both campuses.

SLC is about average in size for a 5A school in Texas and about 1/2 the size of some of the large 5A schools.

The school board made the decision about having a split campus. Yes, the athletic boosters wanted one school, however, that was only one of many considerations. Your statement that it was done "primarily for athletic reasons" is false. If you asked a school board member they would say that athletics was not the primary consideration.

If Southlake had decided to have two high schools, each would be a small 4A school with around 1,200 students per school (grades 9-12, boys and girls).

Lastly, SLC is not a rich school district. The community is upper middle class, but the school district itself is not rich. In fact, the expenditure per student is slightly below average for the area. The state takes away about 1/3 of the money that is raised through school property taxes in Southlake. The money is given to poorer districts. The state constitution in Texas says (roughly) that all public school districts should receive the same level of funding.

[Chicago]

The fact that a school board member would say that athletics were not the primary consideration does not mean that athletics were not the primary consideration.

In related news, the Diamond Institute recommends using two months' salary as a guide for what to spend on an engagement ring, and the Wine Institute says wine is good for you.

Or, to quote (or, at least, paraphrase) the judge in My Cousin Vinny: I refuse to overturn years of Alabama jurisprudence because you find yourself in the unusual position of having clients who say they didn't do it.

[SLCDad]

The fact that a school board member would say that athletics were not the primary consideration does not mean that athletics were not the primary consideration.Perhaps, but when someone says SLC has one combined high school in order to have a good football team, don't you think they need to provide at least some evidence to support that statement?

Also, since SLC is about the same size (both campuses combined) as all of the high schools in the area, how is SLC getting an advantage? I don't see it?

The combined campuses at SLC are similar in size to the schools they compete against. Where is the SLC advantage?

[pied]

Is it possible the boys were partial to their natural hair color and did not want to be forced to look like MnM?

What do you say to the accusations that SLC, which could clearly afford another high school, chooses instead to have two full size schools split 9th and 10th in one and 11th 12th in the other yet both playing under one athletic umbrella and that this is done primarily for athletic reasons?

Do you think this gives Carroll an unfair advantage?

Do any other schools in Texas do this?

To me those accusations do not make any sense. They might hold water, if SLC were a big school. As it is, they are in the smaller range of the 5A classification.

If they were to build one campus, their enrollment for classification purposes would not change at all.

I do know of several other schools who have done this, as well as some who had a ninth grade campus and 10-12 at the senior high campus.

DLSfanNW, I would ask you what competitive advantages does it offer?

[SLCDad]

Here are the enrollments in 5A District 5. (all are 9-12 boys and girls)

District 5 Enrollment
Colleyville Heritage 2425
Grapevine 2242.5
Haltom City Haltom 2609.5
Justin Northwest 2210.5
Keller 2789
Keller Central 2370
N Richland Hills Richland 2103
Southlake Carroll 2408 (combined campuses)

If you compare SLC's size to the surrounding districts you will find that SLC is smaller than most of the schools.

District 6: 4 schools are larger
District 7: 5 schools are larger
District 8: 8 schools are larger
District 9: 6 schools are larger

How can anyone reasonably conclude that SLC has an advantage due to size? SLC is smaller than most of the schools in the area.

(By the way, some of the schools in SLC's district are growing much faster than SLC. Justin Northwest and Keller Central are probably already bigger than SLC which would make SLC the 6th largest school in it's district.)

[SLCDad]

To me those accusations do not make any sense. They might hold water, if SLC were a big school. As it is, they are in the smaller range of the 5A classification.

If they were to build one campus, their enrollment for classification purposes would not change at all.SLC went to a split campus to save money. The high school grew to big for the existing building. They expanded and converted the Jr. High building to the 9-10 campus to accomodate the growth and save money. Building a 2nd high school would have been much more expensive because of the duplicate facilities that would be required.

[DLSfanNW]

To me those accusations do not make any sense. They might hold water, if SLC were a big school. As it is, they are in the smaller range of the 5A classification.

If they were to build one campus, their enrollment for classification purposes would not change at all.

I do know of several other schools who have done this, as well as some who had a ninth grade campus and 10-12 at the senior high campus.

DLSfanNW, I would ask you what competitive advantages does it offer?
I am not talking about one big campus but rather two totally different schools. This would give twice as many kids a chance to compete in high school sports but would probably water down the talent pool at one school.

I was under the impression that SLC was one of the bigger schools and the city could support two separate high schools but the decision was made to just crack one big high school into two parts possibly to remain dominant in football. This does not sound any more implausible then spending $18,000,000 on a high school football stadium or building an indoor facility in which to practice.

[djtomr941]

Hey Dad, you make a quasi jab at DLS because they lost 6 games in the past 3 yrs; you could also note that they lost 6 games in the past 15 yrs. It seems like you are putting them on a lower level due to their recent history. Yet, you also try to expose MNW because of their LACK of recent history, like over the past 5, 10, 20 yrs. Here is your offering re MNW:

""How many state titles have the Bulls won before 2006? What is their record over the last 20, 10, 5 years? Are they a new power in Florida? Have they ever been nationally ranked before 2006? I know they didn't make any noise on the national scene until late in season last year. Do you think the Bulls were better than the Dreadnaughts last year? ""

Your rating criteria re opponents just seems to be inconsistent.

Look at how many NFL players are from Miami NW. A lot. Florida is a hard state to dominate over time, but I can assure you this, Miami NW this year, would blow away Lakeland from last year. Chris Rainey wouldn't be able to bust long runs against the physical, quick Miami NW defense.

I will be shocked if SLC has over 200 yards of offense.

[pied]

I was under the impression that SLC was one of the bigger schools and the city could support two separate high schools but the decision was made to just crack one big high school into two parts possibly to remain dominant in football. This does not sound any more implausible then spending $18,000,000 on a high school football stadium or building an indoor facility in which to practice.

Curious, how did you get that impression? The facts are pretty easy to find.

There are 225 schools in 5A. There are 134 schools in 5A with bigger enrollments.

[SLCDad]

I am not talking about one big campus but rather two totally different schools. This would give twice as many kids a chance to compete in high school sports but would probably water down the talent pool at one school.

I was under the impression that SLC was one of the bigger schools and the city could support two separate high schools but the decision was made to just crack one big high school into two parts possibly to remain dominant in football. This does not sound any more implausible then spending $18,000,000 on a high school football stadium or building an indoor facility in which to practice.Your assumptions are not correct. SLC is a small 5A school that has classrooms in two locations. It's not much more than that.

As for the stadium, when the new Dragon Stadium was built SLC was playing in a very, very small stadium. They had had the same stadium since the 1A or 2A days. It was bad. When the new stadium was built, it was one of the smaller new stadiums in the the area. All of the schools in SLC's district play in stadiums that are larger or about the same size.

Regarding the indoor practice facility, many school in Texas have them. They are used year round by many school groups. They aren't all that expensive to build.

[SLCDad]

Hey Dad, you make a quasi jab at DLS because they lost 6 games in the past 3 yrs; you could also note that they lost 6 games in the past 15 yrs. It seems like you are putting them on a lower level due to their recent history. Yet, you also try to expose MNW because of their LACK of recent history, like over the past 5, 10, 20 yrs. Here is your offering re MNW:

""How many state titles have the Bulls won before 2006? What is their record over the last 20, 10, 5 years? Are they a new power in Florida? Have they ever been nationally ranked before 2006? I know they didn't make any noise on the national scene until late in season last year. Do you think the Bulls were better than the Dreadnaughts last year? ""

Your rating criteria re opponents just seems to be inconsistent.You misinterpreted my posts greatly. I'm talking about current rankings and performance.

DLS is no longer on top of high school football. They may not make the top 20 next year and won't be in the top 10 in the preseason rankings. That's just the truth.

Regarding my questions about MNW, that is what they were.....QUESTIONS. I was asking about the team history. Not trying to make a point.

MNW will be in the top 5 next year (probably #2 or #1). DLS won't be in the top 10. THAT is the point. SLC is very happy to have MNW as an opponent to replace DLS on the schedule.

[SLCDad]

Look at how many NFL players are from Miami NW. A lot. Florida is a hard state to dominate over time, but I can assure you this, Miami NW this year, would blow away Lakeland from last year. Chris Rainey wouldn't be able to bust long runs against the physical, quick Miami NW defense.

I will be shocked if SLC has over 200 yards of offense.I'll be shocked if MNW holds SLC to less than 450 yards.

(Are you aware that in 2006 SLC played 6-7 games, and won every one, against teams that were ranked higher than ANY team on MNW's schedule?)

[SLCDad]

Here are the Massey Rankings comparing 2006 SLC vs. 2006 MNW.

Team........................W-L-T.......Rating.......Power.....Offense....Defense. .. Sched

Northwestern.............15-0-0.......2.529........61.40......57.20......25.92.. .30.26
Southlake Carroll.........16-0-0......3.205........77.58.......61.34......37.96.. . 49.12


These aren't my numbers. They come from an independent source. SLC wins in every category but the biggest difference is stength of schedule.

Would you like to see another independent source (the Freeman Rankings)? They say pretty much the same thing.

[consumerman]

Hey Dad, you make a quasi jab at DLS because they lost 6 games in the past 3 yrs; you could also note that they lost 6 games in the past 15 yrs. It seems like you are putting them on a lower level due to their recent history. Yet, you also try to expose MNW because of their LACK of recent history, like over the past 5, 10, 20 yrs. Here is your offering re MNW:

""How many state titles have the Bulls won before 2006? What is their record over the last 20, 10, 5 years? Are they a new power in Florida? Have they ever been nationally ranked before 2006? I know they didn't make any noise on the national scene until late in season last year. Do you think the Bulls were better than the Dreadnaughts last year? ""

Your rating criteria re opponents just seems to be inconsistent.

he is very inconsistent in everything EXCEPT trying in any way to bash DLS

he is very consistent in that

your points are valid

SLC has NEVER played in the largest 5A Division in Texas until this year and they won because of a choke fake punt call by the Euless Coach (or should I say clueless). SLC had scored 16 points thru 59 minutes of action.

2006 was SLC's only large school championship in a playoff system that has many 3-7, 4-6 and 5-5 teams in the playoffs

make your own conclusions

[consumerman]

Here are the Massey Rankings comparing 2006 SLC vs. 2006 MNW.

Team........................W-L-T.......Rating.......Power.....Offense....Defense. .. Sched

Northwestern.............15-0-0.......2.529........61.40......57.20......25.92.. .30.26
Southlake Carroll.........16-0-0......3.205........77.58.......61.34......37.96.. . 49.12


These aren't my numbers. They come from an independent source. SLC wins in every category but the biggest difference is stength of schedule.

Would you like to see another independent source (the Freeman Rankings)? They say pretty much the same thing.

independent does not mean flawless
strength of schedule is the main rating seperator, at one time a high percentage of all the top 50 strength of schedule rankings in the nation were from texas

that is very flawed but is the main seperator for slc

that certain people have to be reminded OVER AND OVER is sad

[SLCDad]

independent does not mean flawless
strength of schedule is the main rating seperator, at one time a high percentage of all the top 50 strength of schedule rankings in the nation were from texas

that is very flawed but is the main seperator for slc

that certain people have to be reminded OVER AND OVER is sad
Consumerman, you may be confused.

I posted the Massey ratings. You are confusing them with the Freeman ratings. Nobody has ever discussed the Massey strength of schedule ratings on this board.

[Chicago]

"[DLS] may not make the top 20 next year and won't be in the top 10 in the preseason rankings. That's just the truth."

It's hard to pass that off as a fact at this point (although it certainly didn't stop you from trying).

I believe DLS was a bit junior-heavy this year, with a pretty good sophomore class on the JV team (opinion), and ended up ranked #13 in USA Today and #19 in Cal Preps (fact).

I am not sure how (a) being in the second ten last year (in both a human poll, as they say, AND one of your dearly-loved computer polls), and (b) having possibly a better team coming back, lead to "won't be in the top 10 in the preseason rankings. That's just the truth."

It's possible, of course, that DLS won't be ranked in the top ten, but it's not a fact, either.

It's certainly possible to assert that SLC is a great football team without pointing out that DLS won its last National Championship in 2003. But it doesn't seem to be possible for everyone.

Someday I may start a thread on something like "How would England be different today if the Black Prince had died in 1396 rather than 1376" just to see how long it takes you to point out that SLC is 79-1 the last five years.

[consumerman]

Consumerman, you may be confused.

I posted the Massey ratings. You are confusing them with the Freeman ratings. Nobody has ever discussed the Massey strength of schedule ratings on this board.

the confusion is yours when strength of schedule is the big seperator and all the texas teams have a biased advantage

if slc would travel and play someone out of state that would be a first step

until then we have flawed strength of schedules and people who use that to prop up their own wishes

[consumerman]

SLC is very happy to have MNW as an opponent to replace DLS on the schedule.



another factual error

how can they replace dls when dls was never on the schedule

[consumerman]

It's certainly possible to assert that SLC is a great football team without pointing out that DLS won its last National Championship in 2003. But it doesn't seem to be possible for everyone.


he is obsessed with bashing dls which is kinda foolish

and to think if those texas coaces learn when NOT to call a fake punt we would not have to be going thru this

[SLCDad]

he is very inconsistent in everything EXCEPT trying in any way to bash DLS

he is very consistent in that

your points are valid

SLC has NEVER played in the largest 5A Division in Texas until this year and they won because of a choke fake punt call by the Euless Coach (or should I say clueless). SLC had scored 16 points thru 59 minutes of action.

2006 was SLC's only large school championship in a playoff system that has many 3-7, 4-6 and 5-5 teams in the playoffs

make your own conclusionsYeah, you are right. SLC is just lucky to be 79-1 since they moved up to 5A. Thanks for the clarification. LOL


Fortunately the Euless Trinity fans and team have enough class to not make excuses for the loss like Consumerman did. SLC took control of the game in the 4th quarter with three long drives. They outgained Trinity by almost 100 yards for the game.

I'll bet the DLS team isn't making excuses for their loss to Canyon even though DLS couldn't take advantage of three interceptions in the 2nd half.

SLC has faced the toughest playoff gauntlett of ANY team in the nation in each of the last three years. Check any rating you want. You choose. That is the truth.

[SLCDad]

the confusion is yours when strength of schedule is the big seperator and all the texas teams have a biased advantageConsumerman, you are confused.

The strength of schedule ratings for Massey have NEVER been posted here. I'm wondering if you have ever looked at them.

Please document what you say.

[SLCDad]

"[DLS] may not make the top 20 next year and won't be in the top 10 in the preseason rankings. That's just the truth."

It's hard to pass that off as a fact at this point (although it certainly didn't stop you from trying).

I believe DLS was a bit junior-heavy this year, with a pretty good sophomore class on the JV team (opinion), and ended up ranked #13 in USA Today and #19 in Cal Preps (fact).

It's nice to see some substance regarding how the DLS team will be in 2007. I enjoy that stuff but it's scarce from the DLS fans. There isn't much talk about key players, returning players, etc.

The point I was making was that MNW will be higher ranked that DLS in 2007. Do you disagree with that? MNW will certainly be a top 5 team (probably #2) and DLS won't be in the top 10 (preseason). The point I was making is that SLC is very happy to have MNW as an opponent because of the rankngs. It will be a TERRIFIC game, most likely #1 vs. #2. That is a more significant match-up that SLC vs. DLS would have been. Do you disagree with that?

[consumerman]

Consumerman, you are confused.

The strength of schedule ratings for Massey have NEVER been posted here. I'm wondering if you have ever looked at them.

Please document what you say.

it has been documented ad nauseum

that you cant remember the umpteen times you have been corrected and still bring the same flawed arguments is tiresome

[consumerman]

SLC is just lucky to be 79-1 since they moved up to 5A

yes but in the playoffs they have been in the SMALLER of the two divisions of 5A every year except 2006 and they squeaked thru on a bad fake punt call

not impressed in 2006 and they played in the lower division all the years prior to that

those are facts

[consumerman]

have enough class





do you have class SLC Dad??????


LOL

[consumerman]

least you forget

you always point out the great strength of schedule slc plays

you can use reference a or reference b or reference xyz

one of your references listed a 7-5 team that was OUTSCORED this year as a top team in the country (I believe top 250 team) which to quote you is a lot better team than any mnw has played

that team would NOT be a top 250 team in california, let alone the nation, being 7-5 and outscored

that destroys your proof source and your argument falls like a house of cards

to rebring this up over and over is in my opinion, foolish

[pied]

SLC is just lucky to be 79-1 since they moved up to 5A

yes but in the playoffs they have been in the SMALLER of the two divisions of 5A every year except 2006 and they squeaked thru on a bad fake punt call

not impressed in 2006 and they played in the lower division all the years prior to that

those are facts

Also a fact. The first time DLS played a Souther team in the playoffs, which was the first time ever in CA, they lost.

That might lead some sceptics to think, if CA had a state wide playoff system like TX/FL/OH that the streak might have been in more jeapordy.

[consumerman]

Also a fact. The first time DLS played a Souther team in the playoffs, which was the first time ever in CA, they lost.

That might lead some sceptics to think, if CA had a state wide playoff system like TX/FL/OH that the streak might have been in more jeapordy.

it may be, however,

no one eqautes the talent level of the 2006 team to teams during the streak

there were no dj williams, maurice drews, derek landris, or matt gutierrezs on the 2006 team

to say a flat loss to a team in 2006 by a team with in most experts opinion much less talent than the streak teams equates to delegitimizing the streak is a long shot at best

the 2006 team had maybe 1 division 1 prospect

previous dls teams have had 10 or more

so be wise in your assessment and dont jump to conclusions to self-serve your argument

[consumerman]

and just to show inconsistency again by our dallas friend

he says it may be a top 5 matchup, possibly #1 and #2

he was previously made aware that dls vs lb poly in 2001 was the first ever #1 vs #2 matchup in the nation

he said "it is not where you are ranked in the beginning of the season that matters, but where you are ranked when the season is over"

guess it only matters when you are bashing dls

anyway, in 1998 dls defeated mater dei, who ended up #2 in the nation when the season was over

either way, dls has defeated 3 times the #1 (lb poly 2001) or #2 (mater dei 1998, lb poly 2002) team in the nation,

slc has never even played a top 5 (or top 10) team in the nation

[Bordertown]

DLS is irrevelant to the topic, so drop it Consumerman. DLS has an opportunity to play SLC, but declined for their reasons. Miami Northwestern accepted the invitation, so they are the topic. Each team won the largest classification of their respective state high school championship. Enrollment wise they appear to be comparative, MNW being the larger school.

[consumerman]

DLS is irrevelant to the topic, so drop it Consumerman. DLS has an opportunity to play SLC, but declined for their reasons. Miami Northwestern accepted the invitation, so they are the topic. Each team won the largest classification of their respective state high school championship. Enrollment wise they appear to be comparative, MNW being the larger school.

sorry you dont tell me what to do

see the first post in the thread

dls is mentioned prominently

can you read?

[consumerman]

also see post #10

then you can take the foot out of your mouth

[RidgePride]

This Thread is about SLC and MNW. DLS was only added to state why SLCdad would rather play MNW.

Post 10 only responds to your input about DLS.

Other than that - You should start a new thread about DLS and see who actually cares.

[consumerman]

This Thread is about SLC and MNW. DLS was only added to state why SLCdad would rather play MNW.

Post 10 only responds to your input about DLS.

Other than that - You should start a new thread about DLS and see who actually cares.

yawn

this guy can not make a post about slc without trying to bash dls

as long as he continues to do that I will correct him on his numerous mistakes and defend dls

you notwithstanding

[consumerman]

and his reference to this being perhaps so important because it will be a possible #1 vs #2 preseason ranking flies directly into the negative spin he tried to put on dls and lb poly being the first ever #1 vs #2 meeting when he said preseason and early season rankings dont matter

they matter when it involves his team so I have a right to point out his inconsistency and unfortunately for you, dls was involved in that

sorry but your argument falls like slc strength of schedule hyperbole

sorry that what sls may attempt to do, become a true LONG standing national power is years away if not decades and I will reference dls whenever it is necessary to make my point

if you dont like that, dont read my posts

[SteveFoxSC]

yawn

this guy can not make a post about slc without trying to bash dls

as long as he continues to do that I will correct him on his numerous mistakes and defend dls

you notwithstanding

ironic that you of all people say something like that...

[SLCDad]

it has been documented ad nauseum

that you cant remember the umpteen times you have been corrected and still bring the same flawed arguments is tiresome

LOL

Please show us all where the Massey strength of schedule ratings have been discussed. You are wrong and just won't admit it.

Not only that, you post YOUR point of view and then say I have been corrected. That is a joke. Even the Freeman strength of schedule ratings were never proven to be wrong.

You are wrong and you won't admit it. Please show us where the Massey ranking have been discussed. You talk about flaws but don't document what you say. It's sad, and funny.

[SLCDad]

SLC is just lucky to be 79-1 since they moved up to 5A

yes but in the playoffs they have been in the SMALLER of the two divisions of 5A every year except 2006 and they squeaked thru on a bad fake punt call

not impressed in 2006 and they played in the lower division all the years prior to that

those are factsFrankly, Consumerman, you have no clue about Texas high school football.

Are you aware the SLC played in the toughest playoff brackett in each of the last three years? (2004, 2005 and 2006)

That fact seems to slip through your wonderful brain (you have told us how smart you are). LOL

[consumerman]

Frankly, Consumerman, you have no clue about Texas high school football.

Are you aware the SLC played in the toughest playoff brackett in each of the last three years? (2004, 2005 and 2006)

That fact seems to slip through your wonderful brain (you have told us how smart you are). LOL

so you agree a 7-5 team that was outscored is in the top 250 out of 15,000 high schools?

you agree with that right?

just answer that simple question

yes or no

[SLCDad]

Also a fact. The first time DLS played a Souther team in the playoffs, which was the first time ever in CA, they lost.

That might lead some sceptics to think, if CA had a state wide playoff system like TX/FL/OH that the streak might have been in more jeapordy.
I'm one of those sceptics.

I believe DLS would NEVER have had the streak if they had to play a complete California playoff every year. They had the chance in 2006 to silence the sceptics and they failed badly.

[SLCDad]

This Thread is about SLC and MNW. DLS was only added to state why SLCdad would rather play MNW.

Post 10 only responds to your input about DLS.

Other than that - You should start a new thread about DLS and see who actually cares.Since DLS has been losing for the last three years not as many people care about them anymore. The focus on a national board is most often focused on the top national teams.

[SLCDad]

and just to show inconsistency again by our dallas friend

he says it may be a top 5 matchup, possibly #1 and #2

he was previously made aware that dls vs lb poly in 2001 was the first ever #1 vs #2 matchup in the nation

he said "it is not where you are ranked in the beginning of the season that matters, but where you are ranked when the season is over"I agree with that. The MNW vs. SLC will be the premier game in the country (up to that point of the season). The loser will probably drop significantly in the polls.

ALSO, IF YOU READ MY POSTS YOU WILL SEE THAT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE PLAYOFF GAMES IN EACH STATE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY STATE VS. STATE GAMES. SLC'S FIRST PLAYOFF GAME WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MNW GAME.

I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp since DLS has never really had a complete CA playoff.

[consumerman]

do you also want me to find where you said preseason and early season rankings dont matter and that games involving highly ranked teams in the early season are not important

yes or no?

[Chicago]

I wasn't sure what SLCDad meant but now that he is typing some of his sentences all in capitals it is much clearer.

[consumerman]

I agree with that. The MNW vs. SLC will be the premier game in the country (up to that point of the season). The loser will probably drop significantly in the polls.

ALSO, IF YOU READ MY POSTS YOU WILL SEE THAT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE PLAYOFF GAMES IN EACH STATE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY STATE VS. STATE GAMES. SLC'S FIRST PLAYOFF GAME WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MNW GAME.

I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp since DLS has never really had a complete CA playoff.

once again an OBSESSION with bashing DLS, even when it has nothing to do with the specific topic being discussed

why the obsession?

jealousy?

low self esteem?

why?

[consumerman]

Since DLS has been losing for the last three years not as many people care about them anymore. The focus on a national board is most often focused on the top national teams.

since you mention them every three sentences i think you care more than anyone in the country

[SLCDad]

so you agree a 7-5 team that was outscored is in the top 250 out of 15,000 high schools?

you agree with that right?

just answer that simple question

yes or no

Of course it's very possible that a 7-5 team could be a top 250 team. It would depend on which teams they lost to and which teams they beat.

[SLCDad]

since you mention them every three sentences i think you care more than anyone in the countryHee hee. I admit I enjoy watching you get so excited.

[consumerman]

I'm one of those sceptics.

I believe DLS would NEVER have had the streak if they had to play a complete California playoff every year. They had the chance in 2006 to silence the sceptics and they failed badly.

repeat

the 2006 team bears no resemblance to the majority of streak year teams

that is without question

so to conclude that because a team in 2006 played one bad game and lost means that the 1998 team or 1999 team or 2001 team would have lost is foolhardy logic and i hesitate to inlude the l word

[consumerman]

Of course it's very possible that a 7-5 team could be a top 250 team. It would depend on which teams they lost to and which teams they beat.

ok, I made my point, your proof source is a disgrace and it follows there can be no logical conclusion coming from flawed proof sources

yes we have been over this OVER AND OVER

were they outscored?

did they lose to an inferior team?>

case closed

if

[consumerman]

YOU WILL SEE THAT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE PLAYOFF GAMES IN EACH STATE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY STATE VS. STATE GAMES

especially those tough Texas 3-7 and 4-6 playoff teams

[SLCDad]

yawn

this guy can not make a post about slc without trying to bash dls

as long as he continues to do that I will correct him on his numerous mistakes and defend dls

you notwithstanding

Please show us where anyone has attacked DLS lately?

We've been saying that DLS has been losing in recent years. Isn't that the truth?

We've been saying that DLS is not a top 10 team. Isn't that the truth?

Please document ANY attacks. Please?

[SLCDad]

ok, I made my point, your proof source is a disgrace and it follows there can be no logical conclusion coming from flawed proof sources

yes we have been over this OVER AND OVER

were they outscored?

did they lose to an inferior team?>

case closed

if

Again, you are confused.

We have NEVER discussed the Massey strength of schedule ratings.

Your memory is failing you.


(Please show us the Massey ratings for this mythical 7-5 team you mention. I didn't think you could.)

[consumerman]

see post #73

[consumerman]

Again, you are confused.

We have NEVER discussed the Massey strength of schedule ratings.

Your memory is failing you.

i submit if you agree that a 7-5 team that was outscored is a top 250 national team your conclusions based on the proof source that includes that ranking is flawed

i will stand on that for 100 years

[consumerman]

this is about the 20th time we have had to educate you on this

almost as many times as you have called people jerks on this forum

is your memory on that also failing?

[consumerman]

Since DLS has been losing for the last three years not as many people care about them anymore. The focus on a national board is most often focused on the top national teams.

a 13-1 season is losing?

please expand on that

i guess 2006 trinity is a losing team as well (oh wait, they did not even have 13 wins) since slc best victory came against a losing team, i guess they beat NO ONE good

see how foolish your argument is?

[Bordertown]

Leave "WE" out of it. You are on an island Consumerman. And Al Gore said your island will be under water very shortly.

DLS is the greatest school in Concord California and SLC is the greatest school in Southlake, TX. Can we agree on that?

SLCDad has not called you a jerk. Quit baiting him or I am sure that the Bald Sheriff or his Uncle will silence you. Why don't you open a thread on the DLS & Mission Viejo game? Isn't that the biggest game on your schedule.

Personally I do not understand with your obsession with comparisons of DLS and SLC. You do not even attend DLS games. Why do you care? At least SLCDad attends the games of the school he claims to follow. While I disagree with much of his bravado, I at least respect the fact he attends the games of the school he follows. On that fact alone, he has more credibility in my eyes than his antagonist.

[SLCDad]

this is about the 20th time we have had to educate you on this

almost as many times as you have called people jerks on this forum

is your memory on that also failing?

LOL

Why do you refuse to document your comments about he Massey rankings?

You've never "educated" me or anybody else on the Massey rankings. You are not telling the truth. LOL

It's the typical "bait and switch" from you.

Please . . . Please . . . Please . . . show us the flaws of the Massey ratings. We all know you can't or won't do it.

[consumerman]

Leave "WE" out of it. You are on an island Consumerman. And Al Gore said your island will be under water very shortly.

DLS is the greatest school in Concord California and SLC is the greatest school in Southlake, TX. Can we agree on that?

SLCDad has not called you a jerk. Quit baiting him or I am sure that the Bald Sheriff or his Uncle will silence you. Why don't you open a thread on the DLS & Mission Viejo game? Isn't that the biggest game on your schedule.

Personally I do not understand with your obsession with comparisons of DLS and SLC. You do not even attend DLS games. Why do you care? At least SLCDad attends the games of the school he claims to follow. While I disagree with much of his bravado, I at least respect the fact he attends the games of the school he follows. On that fact alone, he has more credibility in my eyes than his antagonist.

Leave "WE" out of it

biased texas fans excepted

if you fall for this garbage, god be with you

[consumerman]

LOL

Why do you refuse to document your comments about he Massey rankings?

You've never "educated" me or anybody else on the Massey rankings. You are not telling the truth. LOL

It's the typical "bait and switch" from you.

Please . . . Please . . . Please . . . show us the flaws of the Massey ratings. We all know you can't or won't do it.

please tell us more about that 7-5 power that lost to a losing team and was outscored in 2006

please
please
please

and of course trinity was a losing team, just like dls right???

lol x 1 million

[consumerman]

Al Gore said

oh my god quotes from Sore Loserman

my how far we have fallen

[consumerman]

Naughty, I agree with you regarding Northwestern. If you look at my first post in this thread, you will see that I said they will be WELL DESERVING of a #1 or #2 national ranking (if that happens). Don't they have something like 14 starters returning? Plus that huge linemen that transferred from Edision. That's impressive.

Let's look at the downside of each team.

Northwestern's strength of schedule was not great. Here is how the Freeman computer model evaluates their schedule:

Miami Northwestern: 15-0, Schedule Rating: 23.8
WINS: #388 Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs, FL) (34-14), #566 North Miami Beach (FL) (42-20), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (41-0), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (39-12), #1381 Homestead (FL) (46-10), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (42-0), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (48-11), #1694 Jackson (Miami, FL) (41-0), #2176 Edison (Miami, FL) (40-8), #2304 Killian (Miami, FL) (34-20), #2879 Hialeah (FL) (51-0), #3092 Carol City (Miami, FL) (50-13), #4235 American (Hialeah, FL) (41-0), #7034 Hialeah-Miami Lakes (Hialeah, FL) (54-0), #10803 Goleman (Miami, FL) (47-0), LOSSES: none


Here is Carroll's 2006 schedule. It is rated about 2 touchdowns per game tougher than Northwestern's. If this rating is accurate, SLC played 7 games ranked higher than anybody MNW played.

Southlake Carroll: 16-0, Schedule Rating: 37.8
WINS: #37 Trinity (Euless, TX) (22-21), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (33-7), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (56-7), #55 Allen (TX) (38-0), #71 Westlake (Austin, TX) (43-29), #273 Permian (Odessa, TX) (42-6), #328 Grapevine (TX) (45-7), #477 Rockwall (TX) (47-7), #587 Northwest (Justin, TX) (45-21), #607 Evangel Christian (Shreveport, LA) (43-16), #1381 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (38-0), #1467 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (49-13), #1882 Lewisville (TX) (35-0), #1949 Keller Central (Keller, TX) (57-7), #2304 Keller (TX) (64-24), #2795 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (52-14), LOSSES: none


and of course a 10-4 team (FOUR FREAKING LOSSES LOL) is the 52nd best team in the country, there are 52 teams in california TWICE as good as this 4 loss piece of garbage

LMAO x 1 million

[consumerman]

a 13-1 season is losing?

please expand on that

i guess 2006 trinity is a losing team as well (oh wait, they did not even have 13 wins) since slc best victory came against a losing team, i guess they beat NO ONE good

see how foolish your argument is?

well is trinity a loser also

waiting (as usual)

[Bordertown]

And there may be 10 teams in Texas better than DLS. We will never know. DLS received the first invitation to play SLC and declined. That is a fact. So you will never know how good a 10-4 team is, will you?

I love the way you have conversations with yourself.

Which DLS game will you attend in 2007?

[consumerman]

And there may be 10 teams in Texas better than DLS. We will never know. DLS received the first invitation to play SLC and declined. That is a fact. So you will never know how good a 10-4 team is, will you?

dls has traveled to hawaii, washington and ohio

when has slc traveled?

lol

[Bordertown]

every Friday night in the fall. I am glad you have dropped LA area as an out of state game. LOL

[consumerman]

dls receives MORE invitations to travel around the country than anyone

at least they have traveled

slc has not, even when given the opportunity

that speaks volumes

[SLCDad]

and of course a 10-4 team (FOUR FREAKING LOSSES LOL) is the 52nd best team in the country, there are 52 teams in california TWICE as good as this 4 loss piece of garbage

LMAO x 1 million

As usual, you are being very shallow. You think you make a point but you don't support it.

Why don't you document what you say. You never do that.


Show us the teams that you claim are better than Colleyville Heritage and we can discuss it.

[SLCDad]

dls receives MORE invitations to travel around the country than anyone

at least they have traveled

slc has not, even when given the opportunity

that speaks volumes

Yes, it speaks volumes about the priorities of the two schools. I'll take SLC's priorities any day. LOL


(Frankly, you have no idea how many invitations SLC receives. Give me a break.)

[SLCDad]

I love the way you have conversations with yourself.

Which DLS game will you attend in 2007?

I don't think Consumerman has EVER attended a DLS game.

[consumerman]

As usual, you are being very shallow. You think you make a point but you don't support it.

Why don't you document what you say. You never do that.


Show us the teams that you claim are better than Colleyville Heritage and we can discuss it.

been there done that

that you cant remember 2 weeks ago, or in this case 3-4 months ago is not my problem

go back and research

you remember the circular reasoning argument that goes something like this:

slc has a strong strength of schedule because they beat the #52 team in the country, heritage is the #52 team in the country because even though they had FOUR losses and 2 were blowouts, 2 of those losses were against the #1 team in the country

that is the definition of circular reasoning

there are 52 teams in california better than this 10-4 piece of garbage

[consumerman]

Yes, it speaks volumes about the priorities of the two schools. I'll take SLC's priorities any day. LOL


(Frankly, you have no idea how many invitations SLC receives. Give me a break.)

good for you

you two deserve each other

[consumerman]

how many invitations SLC receives


how many?

5?
10?
50?
100?

how many have they accepted?
zero?
zero?
zero?
zero?


lmao

[SLCDad]

been there done that

that you cant remember 2 weeks ago, or in this case 3-4 months ago is not my problem

go back and research

you remember the circular reasoning argument that goes something like this:

slc has a strong strength of schedule because they beat the #52 team in the country, heritage is the #52 team in the country because even though they had FOUR losses and 2 were blowouts, 2 of those losses were against the #1 team in the country

that is the definition of circular reasoning

there are 52 teams in california better than this 10-4 piece of garbage

What does this have to do with the Massey Rankings?

Bait and switch again I see.

You can't answer a simple question so you lead us all down a bunny trail.

[SLCDad]

how many invitations SLC receives


how many?

5?
10?
50?
100?

how many have they accepted?
zero?
zero?
zero?
zero?


lmao

So you think traveling all around the country is a good thing? You think that is the priority that a team should have?

(Perhaps DLS would be better served focusing on winning their first state title. Seems to me, that would be a better priority. SLC was invited to play in the first Herbie. They had more important things to do so they said "thanks for the great offer, but we are not interested". Coach Dodge didn't see the benefit of traveling hundreds or thousands of miles in an attempt to prove something.)

[SLCDad]

dls receives MORE invitations to travel around the country than anyone

My guess is that the invitations to travel will stop unless DLS can start winning all of their games again.

[SLCDad]

good for you

you two deserve each other

Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. SLC is one of the finest public schools in the nation.

[consumerman]

My guess is that the invitations to travel will stop unless DLS can start winning all of their games again.

yeah dls sucks just like trinity

i see you cant seem to answer that trap you got yourself into

[consumerman]

Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. SLC is one of the finest public schools in the nation.

which other public schools in the NATION have you researched?

please list them and how you researched them

or are you as USUAL just making a blanket biased statement with nothing to back it with

[consumerman]

My guess is that the invitations to travel will stop unless DLS can start winning all of their games again.

hmm seems it did not stop slc

foolish

[consumerman]

So you think traveling all around the country is a good thing? You think that is the priority that a team should have?

(Perhaps DLS would be better served focusing on winning their first state title. Seems to me, that would be a better priority. SLC was invited to play in the first Herbie. They had more important things to do so they said "thanks for the great offer, but we are not interested". Coach Dodge didn't see the benefit of traveling hundreds or thousands of miles in an attempt to prove something.)

since you cant seem to focus on the post and see what answers what I will briefly help you

some texan tried to bash dls by saying they did not accept an invitation to travel to slc

i responded dls has plenty of invitations and has already traveled out of state 3 times

where are priorities mentioned in those posts?

where is someone saying dls was trying to prove something?

once again you cant follow the basic posts and just make an attempt to bash dls

laughable

[consumerman]

he will continue bashing dls every chance he gets

he is the definition of a biased classless homer

[pied]

he will continue bashing dls every chance he gets

he is the definition of a biased classless homer

It is these types of posts that I think baffle everyone.

You are the only person to post on this thread for several hours. You took three posts to respond to various points and then this.

Out of no where, you make a statement. If SLCDad would have said somehthing maybe it makes sense, but it really does not.

[consumerman]

lmao x 1 million'

2 hours after slc dad says nobody is talking dls anymore cause they are losers guess what the title of his new thread is????


LETS TALK DLS



hahahahahah

this guy has such an obssession with dls it needs to be treated clinically

lmao

[SLCDad]

First time on national TV for Miami Northwestern.

http://www.miamiherald.com/620/story/55252.html


Northwestern had lots of all-stars with most of them coming back.

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2007/03/15/23/ad_bigfoot.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf