Mike Doss

[GOeaglez22]

I heard he is the only football player to ever win a national championship on the High School, College and Pro(NFL) level. Can anyone verify or disprove this?

[elwood]

Good question. Do not know about Doss.

To augment that question, who in the NFL today would be added to that list should their team win the Super Bowl? I know of only one, but there must be more:

1. DJ Williams - Denver Broncos

[Chicago]

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that Terry Porter is the only official with a college national championship ring.

[GOeaglez22]

Good question. Do not know about Doss.

To augment that question, who in the NFL today would be added to that list should their team win the Super Bowl? I know of only one, but there must be more:

1. DJ Williams - Denver Broncos

Well add him to the list becasue Denver is taking it all in 2008 :D Go Broncos!

[McK93]

Well add him to the list becasue Denver is taking it all in 2008 :D Go Broncos!
IF the Broncos win then Kenny Peterson would then qualify!!!

[CSTrackStar90]

all i know is that mike doss went to the one and only McKinley Senior High School

GO PUPS!

[HeadHunter35]

doss won at mck,osu,and with the colts so...

[GPinLV]

all i know is that mike doss went to the one and only McKinley Senior High School

GO PUPS!

Huh? There are three McKinley Senior High Schools in Ohio alone, four if you count Columbus Linden-McKinley. Not to mention McKinley Senior High Schools in New York, Louisiana, and Hawaii.

But he did attend THE Ohio State University.

[Blacknblue]

Huh? There are three McKinley Senior High Schools in Ohio alone, four if you count Columbus Linden-McKinley. Not to mention McKinley Senior High Schools in New York, Louisiana, and Hawaii.

But he did attend THE Ohio State University.

He is referring to Canton McKinley H.S.

Named for President William McKinley (Canton is where President McKinley lived and is buried).

http://www.mckinleymuseum.org/

[catguy86]

Danny O'Leary of St. Ignatius was on a national championship HS team, runner-up team at Notre Dame, but I do not believe he found the Holy Land in the NFL

[Worm02]

Mike Doss was a beast in HS. I knew that he would make it far.

[TIGERFAN1979]

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that Terry Porter is the only official with a college national championship ring.Gee,sounds like a typical Hurricanes fan.Terry Porter made the CORRECT call(albeit late)But CORRECT nonetheless.That's all right,they let 12(no that is not a typo)holding calls go against the Crybabycanes.A buddy of mine sent them to me a week after the 2002 game.They were on the Internet
Finally,think about this.Maybe OSU DESERVED to win because they outplayed,outhustled and outcoached the Canes(which is the way it was):wallbang:

[Yellow_Jacket06]

Gee,sounds like a typical Hurricanes fan.Terry Porter made the CORRECT call(albeit late)But CORRECT nonetheless.That's all right,they let 12(no that is not a typo)holding calls go against the Crybabycanes.A buddy of mine sent them to me a week after the 2002 game.They were on the Internet
Finally,think about this.Maybe OSU DESERVED to win because they outplayed,outhustled and outcoached the Canes(which is the way it was):wallbang:

Amen!!!!

[Chicago]

Fittingly, it took you almost four months to post that.

[fiveoaks]

Fittingly, it took you almost four months to post that.

:laugh:

[TALLEY #44]

all i know is that mike doss went to the one and only McKinley Senior High School

GO PUPS!

mike doss also went to canton timken hes freshmen yr didnt know that did you

[consumerman]

Good question. Do not know about Doss.

To augment that question, who in the NFL today would be added to that list should their team win the Super Bowl? I know of only one, but there must be more:

1. DJ Williams - Denver Broncos

but that won't count according to SLC Dad

cuz
1) DLS is no good anymore
2) anything that happened in HS football prior to 2004 does not register as meaningful
3) DLS #1 national ranking(s) is (Are) tainted because they dont have playoffs in which 3-7 and 5-5 teams dot the landscape making 2 watered down divisions look like a mighty 6 rounds of playoffs
4) Canyon in 2006 beat a less than stellar DLS team on their worst game of the year so anything that DLS has previosuly accomplished is meaningless

isnt that it daditis?

[SLCDad]

but that won't count according to SLC Dad

cuz
1) DLS is no good anymore
2) anything that happened in HS football prior to 2004 does not register as meaningful
3) DLS #1 national ranking(s) is (Are) tainted because they dont have playoffs in which 3-7 and 5-5 teams dot the landscape making 2 watered down divisions look like a mighty 6 rounds of playoffs
4) Canyon in 2006 beat a less than stellar DLS team on their worst game of the year so anything that DLS has previosuly accomplished is meaningless

isnt that it daditis?

I'm not sure what brought this on but, Consumerman, you are a hoot!

[Bordertown]

I'm not sure what brought this on but, Consumerman, you are a hoot!

terret syndrome kicked in.

[consumerman]

terret syndrome kicked in.

terret?

better check webmd for the right spelling redneck

[consumerman]

I'm not sure what brought this on but, Consumerman, you are a hoot!

just a pre-emptive post for what is surely your true feelings and out-of-whack with reality

[SLCDad]

but that won't count according to SLC Dad

Since Consumerman insists on putting words in my mouth and starting a debate, I'll add my true feelings on his points. His comments do not reflect what I've posted nor what I believe.

cuz
1) DLS is no good anymore (DLS hasn't been a national top 10 team in the final rankings since 2003. Some years they haven't made the top 25. Since the new philosophy at DLS is to limit the number of grants given to football players, it appears DLS will have a tough time getter back to national prominence. I'm wondering if it will ever happen. I saw a Calif pre-season ranking and DLS was listed as the #7 team in Calif. That's still a very, very good football team.)

2) anything that happened in HS football prior to 2004 does not register as meaningful (I'd rather talk about the current season or current programs above the past any day. However, I know the DLS faithful love to dwell on "the streak" and the glory days of a few years ago. Good for them. I don't know where Consumerman gets the 2004 number but people usually look at 2002 and later when discussing SLC since that is the year they moved up to the Texas 5A classification and first entered the national picture.)

3) DLS #1 national ranking(s) is (Are) tainted because they dont have playoffs in which 3-7 and 5-5 teams dot the landscape making 2 watered down divisions look like a mighty 6 rounds of playoffs (I don't believe that the DLS #1 rankings in the past are tainted. However, I do believe that the streak would have likely been broken much sooner if DLS had to face a state championship tournament bracket like they have in Florida, Ohio or Texas.)

4) Canyon in 2006 beat a less than stellar DLS team on their worst game of the year so anything that DLS has previosuly accomplished is meaningless. (DLS was rated #1 by USA Today before that game. Prior to that game Consumerman himself was debating how good the 2006 DLS team was. DLS had a chance to prove the naysayers wrong but they failed. Consumerman says they played their worst game of the year. He fails to mention that Canyon threw 2 or 3 interceptions in the 2nd half but DLS couldn't capitalize on them. DLS had every opportunity to win that game. As I watched the game, I thought the key was that DLS didn't have an answer for the Canyon running back. It's a cop-out to say it was the worst DLS game of the season, IMO. DLS just wasn't good enough.)

isnt that it daditis? (If anybody thinks my statements don't make sense, let's talk.)


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[Chicago]

I was at the Elder game and the Canyon Country game.

DLS definitely looked worse at the Canyon Country game to me.

If they were a better team, their worst game might still have resulted in a win (they came pretty close as it was; the two stops in a row with the score 20-13 were a killer).

If they hadn't played their worst game, there is an excellent chance they would have won (if they had played like they did against Elder, it would have been over early, like the Elder game was, even though CC was better than Elder).

Knowing that their worst game still came relatively close to winning a state championship is helpful, if you are trying to determine how good DLS was last year.

And knowing they lost the game, no matter how, is important, too, obviously.

None of this is a cop-out. It's just information. And it doesn't change the score.

[consumerman]

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the 4 preemptive posts by me referencing SLC Dad wa to see how ridiculous his arguments and logic is

NOTE a 2006 DLS WIN OVER CANYON DOES NOT VALIDATE ANYTHING DLS DID IN 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 or 2003

that is fool's logic

LIKEWISE, a LOSS by DLS in 2006 to Canyon DOES NOT INVALIDATE anything DLS accomplished 1992-2003

to argue otherwise, as daditis does, si again foolish

as for the Canyon game, DLS missed extra points, had field goal attempts blocked, could not convert on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 on the Canyon 5 yard line with the score 20-13 (99 times out of 100 they convert the TD), had a tipped pass result in the 1st Canyon TD, had a near sack (great play by the Canyon QB) result in the second TD... this is not the DLS I am used to or even as good as the one that played all year, they laid an egg

the point of my original post was to show how ridiculous SLC Daditis' bashing of DLS is

and notice he did not address the watered down 2 tiered playoffs that allow 3-7 and 5-5 teams in the so-called awesome (what oa joke) Texas playoffs

[Bordertown]

Let's not focus on history but the present. How is DLS going to be in 2007? More importantly how many of there games do you expect to see live this year?

I have to admit, I know I am missing at least two Texas High games - Tyler John Tyler and Waxahachie.

[just a fan]

I heard he is the only football player to ever win a national championship on the High School, College and Pro(NFL) level. Can anyone verify or disprove this?

He is not the only player to do this.

Just looking at the Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and New England rosters (past three superbowl champions), there are about 8 players that were on national championship college teams. As best as I can tell, Cedric Wilson (Pittsburgh) won a title in the NFL, College (Tennessee) and High School (Melrose HS in Memphis).

http://news.steelers.com/team/player/51479/

I'm relatively certain that there are others but it does appear to be a somewhat rare accomplishment.

By the way, Tyler Everett (McKinley) almost did it last year as he was on the Chicago roster.

[consumerman]

He is not the only player to do this.

Just looking at the Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and New England rosters (past three superbowl champions), there are about 8 players that were on national championship college teams. As best as I can tell, Cedric Wilson (Pittsburgh) won a title in the NFL, College (Tennessee) and High School (Melrose HS in Memphis).

http://news.steelers.com/team/player/51479/

I'm relatively certain that there are others but it does appear to be a somewhat rare accomplishment.

By the way, Tyler Everett (McKinley) almost did it last year as he was on the Chicago roster.

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

please document the years

[Bordertown]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

They won their state championship in 1996 - so I guess they have as much of a right to lay claim to being national champions as anyone.

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

Tennessee 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998

please document the years

[just a fan]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

please document the years

My bad, I thought the question was asking about a state high school championship...national championship is a bit different. ;)

Anyhow, according the ncaasports.com website, Tennessee won a national championship in 1998 as well as 1951...

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history

[csbacker]

mike doss also went to canton timken hes freshmen yr didnt know that did you


What? No he didn't, He went straight to McK from middle school....thats nonsense

[consumerman]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

They won their state championship in 1996 - so I guess they have as much of a right to lay claim to being national champions as anyone.

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

Tennessee 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998

please document the years

and which year did mike doss play
1938???

lmao

[consumerman]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

They won their state championship in 1996 - so I guess they have as much of a right to lay claim to being national champions as anyone.

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

Tennessee 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998

please document the years

Tenessee was not national champion in 1967

USC and OJ Simpson were national champs

egads that was simple

[consumerman]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

They won their state championship in 1996 - so I guess they have as much of a right to lay claim to being national champions as anyone.

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

Tennessee 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998

please document the years

so which national high school poll listed them #1?

please inform us

[Bordertown]

and which year did mike doss play
1938???

lmao

The person we are talking about was Cedric Wilson (Pittsburg, Tennesse, Melrose High.

Let's focus on the thread.

[Bordertown]

Tenessee was not national champion in 1967

USC and OJ Simpson were national champs

egads that was simple

Not really that simple. Tennesse was crowned national champions by Litkenhous, an apparent ranking system at the time. Tennessee lists it on their historical website as a national championship year. One of those split championships college football is so famous for without a playoff system.

Following were the 1967 National Champions from the NCAA website:

1967
Notre Dame: Dunkel
Oklahoma: Poling
Southern California: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI
Tennessee: Litkenhous

Four teams lay claim to the title.

[Bordertown]

so which national high school poll listed them #1?

please inform us

Not sure. Only know they were State Champions. As there is no high school playoff system, they have as good a claim as anyone. Please see the 1967 National Champions in football above which was a no brainer to you. But as Justafan noted he thought the topic was Super Bowl, NCAA D-1A champions, and State Champions. My guess is no poll or ranking service had them as a hypothetical high school national champion.

As I have stated previously, there is no school that can prove they were the best football team in the nation including DLS during their undefeated streak or SLC during their current streak. I think you can identify the cream (which both of the teams were/are) but not which of the cream teams is the best.

[consumerman]

Not really that simple. Tennesse was crowned national champions by Litkenhous, an apparent ranking system at the time. Tennessee lists it on their historical website as a national championship year. One of those split championships college football is so famous for without a playoff system.

Following were the 1967 National Champions from the NCAA website:

1967
Notre Dame: Dunkel
Oklahoma: Poling
Southern California: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI
Tennessee: Litkenhous

Four teams lay claim to the title.

this is ludicrous

USC beat BD AT ND 24-7. ND claim bites the dust
Oklahoma and Tennessee both have 1 poll that nobody has ever heard of

Meanwhile USC has AP, UPI and anything else meaningful

for once, give it up as you have NOTHING to satnd on here

USC was 1967 National Champion. PERIOD!

[consumerman]

no poll or ranking service had them as a hypothetical high school national champion

precisely

but more importantly, DJ WIlliams has been crowned a national champion, the other guys mentioned have not

to claim that since they won their state it is possible they won a national championship does not equate to having been voted one

[consumerman]

1967 Tenessee went 9-2 and LOST to UCLA, a team USC beat

1967 Oklahoma LOST to Texas, a team USC BEAT

USC also beat defending national champ Notre Dame, and beat UCLA in the Game of the year

They did lose to 7-2-1 Oregon in a viscious rainstorm, 3-0

Oregon State also tied 7-2-1 UCLA, beat 8-2 Purdue (who beat 8-2 Notre Dame) and beat 8-2 Arizona State

its a no-brainer

[just a fan]

Tenessee was not national champion in 1967

USC and OJ Simpson were national champs

egads that was simple


You asked when Tennessee won a national championship, and I answered...

They won a national championship in 1998 as well as 1951...

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history

Whether they were the national champions in 1967 isn't relevant given that you said that they'd never won one. The fact is, they did.

[Bordertown]

this is ludicrous

for once, give it up as you have NOTHING to satnd on here

USC was 1967 National Champion. PERIOD!

While I might agree with you that USC was in my opinion the best team in 1967, but I am just reporting the facts. The NCAA & University of Tennessee both show Tennessee has a claim to the 1967 National Championship. You stated Tennessee had never won a national championship and I listed 6 years that Tennessee claims at least a share of the national championship on their website.

I think it is similar to USC claiming in 2004 that it had a share of the 1939 National Championship to get to 11 based upon Frank G. Dickinson ranking system.

Link to Folks with a claim to a National Championship Link - http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

[SLCDad]

and notice he did not address the watered down 2 tiered playoffs that allow 3-7 and 5-5 teams in the so-called awesome (what oa joke) Texas playoffs

You have made a false statement. Can you back it up?

Look at the ratings of the teams played by the 5A state champions in Texas and compare them to the teams played by the state champs from every other state. You will find that the Texas 5A playoffs are the toughest in the nation.

That's the facts despite what our amusing friend from California says.

[SternRulz]

Fittingly, it took you almost four months to post that.

Fittingly, the typical Cry-ami fan is still whining years later.

:rolleyes:

[consumerman]

You asked when Tennessee won a national championship, and I answered...

They won a national championship in 1998 as well as 1951...

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history

Whether they were the national champions in 1967 isn't relevant given that you said that they'd never won one. The fact is, they did.

wrong

i said prove that this person played on a high school national championship and a college national championship, I f my request was not clear I apologize. No one has proven thyat this guy played on BOTH,

[consumerman]

You have made a false statement. Can you back it up?

Look at the ratings of the teams played by the 5A state champions in Texas and compare them to the teams played by the state champs from every other state. You will find that the Texas 5A playoffs are the toughest in the nation.

That's the facts despite what our amusing friend from California says.

prove it?

how many tiers are there 1 or 2?

do 3-7 and 5-5 teams make the playoffs, yes or no?

easy answers

easy proof

________________

these are the same ratings that rate a 10-4 team THAT LOST TO A LOSING TEAM as the 52nd best in the country (BARF) and a 7-5 team that WAS OUTSCORED as one of the top 2% teams in the country (BARF BARF BARF)

and beating these two teams is what makes Texas and SLC football rated so high (barf barf barf barf)

rankings smankings

garbage in, garbage out

___________________

if texas 5A had ONE playoff NOT TWO and they had legitimate teams and seedings (not mandatory 2 per league, whether they are 10-0 or 3-7, and whether they are large school or small school), having two playoffs with hundreds of teams is a WATERED DOWN PLAYOFF SYSTEM. To argue otherwise is pure stupidity

[consumerman]

and what year are you saying his high school won a national championship?

and forgive me but I do not think Tenessee even won the SE conference, let alone the national championship

please document the years

see the word EVEN

NOT EVER

I was referring to 1 specific year

NOT EVER
_______________

I am assuming he did not play on the 1951 team?????????

and we KNOW he has NO CLAIM to being high school national champ

case closed

[consumerman]

You asked when Tennessee won a national championship, and I answered...

They won a national championship in 1998 as well as 1951...

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history

Whether they were the national champions in 1967 isn't relevant given that you said that they'd never won one. The fact is, they did.

thanks to all of you for abandoning the LUDICROUS argument that Tenessee was national champ in 1967

absolutely ludicrous

[consumerman]

and back to my point

DJ Williams did win a national championship in high school

and he did win a national championship in college

and he is a starting linebacker on a pretty good pro team

and he was national player of the year in 1999

and John Madden said he was the best high school football player he had ever seen, and that he could have gone straight from high school to the NFL

[Bordertown]

and back to my point

DJ Williams did win a national championship in high school


Who were the two teams that played in the national championship game? Was it sanctioned by the NFHS?


Back to my point. Any state champion can lay claim to winning a national football championship, especially any state champion from Texas, Ohio, Florida, or California. Oops - I forgot California doesn't have state champions prior to 2006. It is mythical - nothing more.

By the way I think you need to tell Tennessee to change their media guide - http://www.utsports.com/index.php?s=%%%s%%%&change_well_id=2&url_channel_id=15&url_article_id=10086 (http://www.utsports.com/index.php?s=%%%s%%%&change_well_id=2&url_channel_id=15&url_article_id=10086)

While you are at it, please have USC eliminate the 1928 & 1939 Championships from their media guide. Georgia Tech & Texas A&M may take exception to sharing their titles.

[SLCDad]

prove it?

how many tiers are there 1 or 2?

do 3-7 and 5-5 teams make the playoffs, yes or no?

easy answers

easy proof

________________

these are the same ratings that rate a 10-4 team THAT LOST TO A LOSING TEAM as the 52nd best in the country (BARF) and a 7-5 team that WAS OUTSCORED as one of the top 2% teams in the country (BARF BARF BARF)

and beating these two teams is what makes Texas and SLC football rated so high (barf barf barf barf)

rankings smankings

garbage in, garbage out

___________________

if texas 5A had ONE playoff NOT TWO and they had legitimate teams and seedings (not mandatory 2 per league, whether they are 10-0 or 3-7, and whether they are large school or small school), having two playoffs with hundreds of teams is a WATERED DOWN PLAYOFF SYSTEM. To argue otherwise is pure stupidity

I don't think Consumerman can grasp the difference between "average SOS" and the SOS using the best opponents. Adding more teams/games to a playoff bracket makes the bracket harder not easier. However, I doubt Consumerman can comprehend that.

The following is a SOS rating for the large school state champs from Florida, Ohio, California and Texas. I included both 5A and 6A from Florida since the 5A champ, Lakeland, was national #1 team in several polls.

Also, since the states play a different number of playoff games, I adjusted the average playoff SOS rating for 4, 5 or 6 games whenever possible.

Lastly, the SOS ratings for Florida make sense. In Florida, unlike most other states, the top teams are spread more throughout many lower classifications and are not concentrated in 5A and 6A.

The single toughest playoff opponent was Colerain who was defeated by Hillard Davidson in the Ohio Division 1 semifinals. Canyon's victory over DeLaSalle and SLC's victory over Trinity were also wins over very highly rated teams.

As a side note, SLC's 2006 playoff run was the easiest of the last three years.



Average Playoff SOS of the State Champs from Selected Football States:

#1 - Southlake Carroll - Texas 5A Division 1
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 49.3
.........Top 5 Playoff Opponents: 47.3
.........Top 6 Playoff Opponents: 43.3

#2 - Hillard Davidson - Ohio Division 1
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 45.3
.........Top 5 Playoff Opponents: 40.6

#3 - Cedar Hill - Texas 5A Division 2
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 44.6
.........Top 5 Playoff Opponents: 42.2
.........Top 6 Playoff Opponents: 39.5

#4 - Canyon Country - California
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 42.9

#5 - Northwestern - Florida 6A
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 32.3
.........Top 5 Playoff Opponents: 30.2

#6 - Lakeland - Florida 5A
.........Top 4 Playoff Opponents: 29.2
.........Top 5 Playoff Opponents: 26.3

[Bordertown]

but more importantly, DJ WIlliams has been crowned a national champion, the other guys mentioned have not


Mike Doss
Superbowl - Indy 2006/07
D-1A National Champ - Ohio St 2002
USA Today HS National Champ - Canton McKinley 1997

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/97super25.htm

So I think we have established two players Mike Doss and DJ Williams.

[consumerman]

Who were the two teams that played in the national championship game? Was it sanctioned by the NFHS?


Back to my point. Any state champion can lay claim to winning a national football championship, especially any state champion from Texas, Ohio, Florida, or California. Oops - I forgot California doesn't have state champions prior to 2006. It is mythical - nothing more.

By the way I think you need to tell Tennessee to change their media guide - http://www.utsports.com/index.php?s=%%%s%%%&change_well_id=2&url_channel_id=15&url_article_id=10086

While you are at it, please have USC eliminate the 1928 & 1939 Championships from their media guide. Georgia Tech & Texas A&M may take exception to sharing their titles.

Lets take Texas for example.

A team that wins Texas 5A small school (which is what SLC did in 2002, 2004 and 2005) CAN NOT even claim to be the best in their own division, as the LARGE SCHOOL 5A Division has separate playoffs.

A team that wins its state but has 4 losses, like CLeveland St. Ignatius one year, would have a hard time campaigning as national champion.

Your argument is FULL of flaws.

[Bordertown]

It may have major flaws, but so do every argument that a high school team is national championship.

Are you saying the size of a school determines the quality of a team? No one in Texas likes the split division system, but it is much preferred over some other state's methods on the West Coast. I quess we can say they are both imperfect. Texas is looking at modifying its system. How is California coming along on fixing their playoff system?

[just a fan]

thanks to all of you for abandoning the LUDICROUS argument that Tenessee was national champ in 1967

absolutely ludicrous

Do you always argue with people...even those who have no interest in an argument? I never said, nor do I care, that Tennesse was a national champ.

In case if you haven't noticed, the topic of the thread is Mike Doss; the question was whether any other player has won a national championship at the high school, college and pro level. I did a little research to try to answer the question. I made a mistake, and admitted it back on page one, when I said that Cedric Wilson had done so.

I don't care about Tennessee, I don't care about USC. I'm not interested in an argument. I was just trying to answer the question. :dang: