Cincinnati Area Projections Next Season

[cincygolfer1234]

Who are your top five teams and top five players for next season?

Me Personally: Really No Order at this Point

St. Xavier
- returning Buse, Keating among others

Moeller
- lost a lot but they do have good underclassmen including Magowan and Armour can be good at times

Sycamore
- at this point by far the best team with only one lost starter from the team that barely missed state as well as one of the top five players in the area.
LaSalle
- Chris Burger is good enough to take team into the top 5.
Fairfield
- really couldn't think of anyone else so I threw them here by default. If inluding entire SWOH region then Centerville would take this spot.

Chirs Burger
- best returning GCL player
Wes Denny
- best returning player from very solid Sycamore team
Sean Keating
- best returing St. X player
Simran Macgowan
- best returning Moeller player
Aiden Javeed
- reigning POY in Cincinnati (though I do wonder how you can win the POY without even playing at state).

[bombers24]

X
East
Sycamore
Moeller
LaSalle

[putt2win]

i think st.x's best player is graham, but keating is very good as well

[thenewcardinal]

i think colerain is going to surprise some people not just because im on the team but last year we didnt get any credit and we were in the top ten at the end of the season.

[bridky]

haha How do you say KNIGHTS!?

[bombers24]

does anyone really have a chance to take player of the year from javed?

[cincygolfer1234]

Sure, I think Chris Berger could win it. Of course it is much harder for a GCL player to win it as evidenced by this season, considering Javeed didn't even make it to state, yet was the POY. The system is based to much on averages which makes the system skewed in favor of non GCL players because GCL teams overall play much tougher courses. Just doesn't make sense if you ask me.

[thenewcardinal]

the system is pretty easy coachs vote and they can base it off any thing they want like average, who made it to state or who won their conference tournament ( Javed) so i dont understand how it is skewed towards certain players?:thumb:

[cincygolfer1234]

actually newcardinal you couldn't be more wrong the POY is not decided by a vote, but instead decided by a point system. Example you get 5 points for a average below 40, 10 points for a average below 37 etc. Also you get points for finishing in a top percentage of your league (obvioulsy it is much hard to finish in the top 20% of the GCL which is only the top 4 players than it is to finish in the top 20% of the GMC which is closer to 10 players) Furthermore both the sectional and district tournaments are weighted equal which means that if you win one of the three sectional (weaker fields that districts) you get the same amount of points as winning districts (so if you are in a harder sectional you can get screwed). Lastly, I feel in the points system there should be a much higher emphasis put on state performance, if you are truly the POY then you shouldn't object since you should make it to state.

For those (newcardinal) who are unaware of the current system it was gone to because several St. X and Moeller players were screwed out of getting the recognition they deserved because jealous coaches wouldn't vote for them simply because they were on a team that was better than the one they were coaching.

Word of advice before you give smartass responses you should fully understand the subject being discussed. :banana:

[bombers24]

well if you are the best in teh city making top 4 in gcl shouldnt be difficult, considering gcl's are played over 6 days and you can afford to have a bad day. the only problem would be if you had a bad day at sectionals and got screwed there, otherwise i think the system works because it is basically stroke average

[thenewcardinal]

actually newcardinal you couldn't be more wrong the POY is not decided by a vote, but instead decided by a point system. Example you get 5 points for a average below 40, 10 points for a average below 37 etc. Also you get points for finishing in a top percentage of your league (obvioulsy it is much hard to finish in the top 20% of the GCL which is only the top 4 players than it is to finish in the top 20% of the GMC which is closer to 10 players) Furthermore both the sectional and district tournaments are weighted equal which means that if you win one of the three sectional (weaker fields that districts) you get the same amount of points as winning districts (so if you are in a harder sectional you can get screwed). Lastly, I feel in the points system there should be a much higher emphasis put on state performance, if you are truly the POY then you shouldn't object since you should make it to state.

For those (newcardinal) who are unaware of the current system it was gone to because several St. X and Moeller players were screwed out of getting the recognition they deserved because jealous coaches wouldn't vote for them simply because they were on a team that was better than the one they were coaching.

Word of advice before you give smartass responses you should fully understand the subject being discussed. :banana:

No the coachs just understand that the gcl doesnt always have the players hint like this year the gmc head far more better players than gcl.

[thenewcardinal]

actually newcardinal you couldn't be more wrong the POY is not decided by a vote, but instead decided by a point system. Example you get 5 points for a average below 40, 10 points for a average below 37 etc. Also you get points for finishing in a top percentage of your league (obvioulsy it is much hard to finish in the top 20% of the GCL which is only the top 4 players than it is to finish in the top 20% of the GMC which is closer to 10 players) Furthermore both the sectional and district tournaments are weighted equal which means that if you win one of the three sectional (weaker fields that districts) you get the same amount of points as winning districts (so if you are in a harder sectional you can get screwed). Lastly, I feel in the points system there should be a much higher emphasis put on state performance, if you are truly the POY then you shouldn't object since you should make it to state.

For those (newcardinal) who are unaware of the current system it was gone to because several St. X and Moeller players were screwed out of getting the recognition they deserved because jealous coaches wouldn't vote for them simply because they were on a team that was better than the one they were coaching.

Word of advice before you give smartass responses you should fully understand the subject being discussed. :banana:

No the coachs just understand that the gcl doesnt always have the players hint like this year the gmc had far more better players than gcl.

[madden2005]

newcardinal...you are proving your ignorance by posting on yappi. take the top ten players in the GCL last year and the top ten players in whatever that league you are in and put them head to head and GCL wins 9 out of 10 times

[cincygolfer1234]

how can you argue that it works because it is based on stroke average. looking at the schedule for X and Moeller you can clearly see how this can not be accurate. X and Moeller play courses that are immensely more difficult than anything that any of the GMC school play. For example the hardest course St. X played this year was probably Scioto or Red Tail and the easiest was probably Miami Whitewater or Weatherwaxx in the District's (play at blue tee at districts). The GMC plays the white tees at Weatherwaxx for their conference championship while the GCL plays the blacks. On the contrary Weatherwaxx at the districts was likely the hardest course that any of the GMC players played all season.

From looking at this you can easily conclude that basing the majority of it one scoring average can tilt the tables in favor of a good player from a non-GCL school.

newcardinal what was the hardest course a GMC school played this year?

[cincygolfer1234]

madden you are wrong the GCL would win 10 out of 10 times without a doubt. Sure Javed and Denny could maybe hold there own against Daly, Reinhold and Berger but the next 7-8 guys there would be no contest.

GCL Team from Last Year
Daly
Mark Reinhold
Berger
Hunter
Keating
Matt Reinhold
Crane
Wilkin
Grahm
need one more? (Buse, Magowen, Hartoin)

GMC Team from Last Year
Javed
Denny
Proud
after that i honestly don't know anyone

[wcballa]

hows lakota west boys golf? Are the girls better than the guys?

[bombers24]

gcl is better than the gmc hands down, 2 teams from gcl went to state last year and none from the gmc, certain players from the gmc can compete with the gcl but on a team basis they are significantly worse