WHo Will BE THE NATIONAL PRESEASON TOP 10!

[Cincy guy]

Hey guys give me your best guess of who will be the national preseason top 10. Thanks!:thumb:

[concha]

I would say the following are likely:

St. X (OH)
SLC (TX)
DLS (CA)
Miami Northwestern (FL)
Independence (NC)
Warren Central (IN)

[SLCDad]

Miami Northwestern and Southlake Carroll should be #1 and #2 (in whatever order). They are more deserving than anybody else. They each won the state title in the largest classs in their states and have lots of players coming back.

StX and DLS don't have a strong case because they didn't win the big game in 2006. StX lost even earlier in the playoffs.

Warren Central and Independence Charlotte could make a case but their strength of schedule is lacking.

How can you not go with the teams that 1) won titles 2) played in top states AND 3) have lots of players coming back?

[concha]

Miami Northwestern and Southlake Carroll should be #1 and #2 (in whatever order). They are more deserving than anybody else. They each won the state title in the largest classs in their states and have lots of players coming back.

StX and DLS don't have a strong case because they didn't win the big game in 2006. StX lost even earlier in the playoffs.

Warren Central and Independence Charlotte could make a case but their strength of schedule is lacking.

How can you not go with the teams that 1) won titles 2) played in top states AND 3) have lots of players coming back?

I'm not arguing for #1s, just for top 10s. X will probably be the Ohio D1 pre-season favorite. They return a fair number of players, including 3 guys who were amongst Max Emfinger's Top 250 Juniors for 2006.

In Ohio, I believe Hilliard Davidson nor Colerain return as much as X. If X reloads the o-line (they usually do) and get a more capable QB for next season, they will easily in the thick of things in 2007.

[SLCDad]

I'm not arguing for #1s, just for top 10s. X will probably be the Ohio D1 pre-season favorite. They return a fair number of players, including 3 guys who were amongst Max Emfinger's Top 250 Juniors for 2006.

In Ohio, I believe Hilliard Davidson nor Colerain return as much as X. If X reloads the o-line (they usually do) and get a more capable QB for next season, they will easily in the thick of things in 2007.I see.

I would add Euless Trinity to the mix. They don't get the national exposure but they have a fantastic football team.

[concha]

I see.

I would add Euless Trinity to the mix. They don't get the national exposure but they have a fantastic football team.

And the sipi tau they do before each game is fun to watch.

[pied]

I think St Bonaventure in CA will make some lists. Just got a huge transfer RB in.

SLC/Northwestern should be there. Lakeland loses too much. DLS is supposed to have a lot of young talent returning. They have to be uber-pissed after getting owned by CC. You have to think Land and co. will have them humming.

Don't know what Trinity brings back next year.

[LittleCardsDad]

#1 Colerain



We are voting, right? :shrug:

[LittleCardsDad]

I'm not arguing for #1s, just for top 10s. X will probably be the Ohio D1 pre-season favorite. They return a fair number of players, including 3 guys who were amongst Max Emfinger's Top 250 Juniors for 2006.

In Ohio, I believe Hilliard Davidson nor Colerain return as much as X. If X reloads the o-line (they usually do) and get a more capable QB for next season, they will easily in the thick of things in 2007.

I think we do return as much as X. TB said 14 in the paper the other day.

[EaglePride01]

I see.

I would add Euless Trinity to the mix. They don't get the national exposure but they have a fantastic football team.

Yeah, its not like their program is featured in a national television commercial or anything.:rolleyes:

[concha]

LCD,

I think Colerain losses more stars than X (Clifford etc).

[PorkopolisPigskin]

Hoooooooover Alabama baaaaabyy!!!

[LittleCardsDad]

LCD,

I think Colerain losses more stars than X (Clifford etc).

That's only because X didn't have any last year. :shrug: I don't see how that supposed to make them that much more dominant in 06. Explain please.

[psax889906]

That's only because X didn't have any last year. :shrug: I don't see how that supposed to make them that much more dominant in 06. Explain please.
I AGREE WITH LCD... :D :D :banana: :banana: :D :D

It's all about the QB for X... can he make the plays necessary to win, when teams bring 8 and 9 in the box to stop Ashley.

[concha]

I AGREE WITH LCD... :D :D :banana: :banana: :D :D

It's all about the QB for X... can he make the plays necessary to win, when teams bring 8 and 9 in the box to stop Ashley.

Can't argue with that. If they DO find a kid that can bring the goods, then X will be odds on favorite for the title.

[BobcatBomber]

I hope X is a post season top 10...I don't care where they are pre-season ;)

Hurly should be the answer...**crossed fingers**

[LittleCardsDad]

I hope X is a post season top 10...I don't care where they are pre-season ;)

Hurly should be the answer...**crossed fingers**

Some of your other Bombers seem to think there's another option. A sophomore I beleive. I don't like calling out H.S. athletes but I just don't see anyway X leaves R4 with Hurley at the helm.

[WrongPerson]

Some of your other Bombers seem to think there's another option. A sophomore I beleive. I don't like calling out H.S. athletes but I just don't see anyway X leaves R4 with Hurley at the helm.

I miss Brad:dang:

[Big Drop]

DeMatha returns exactly 15 starters for a team that should be ranked in the top three and is likely to play Moeller in the Herbie.

[Cincy guy]

DeMatha returns exactly 15 starters for a team that should be ranked in the top three and is likely to play Moeller in the Herbie.

I have been hearing that they will be playing X.

[naughty]

1.SouthLake Carroll(What Needs to be said. )
2.Miami Northwestern( Will play Southlake Carroll At Southlake Carroll )
3.Warren Central(Had a case for #1 this year and they will next year also)
4.Weaton Warrenville South( Got over looked last year should be fine for next year.)
5.Miami Booker t. Washington(Will finally get the national attention they deserve. Will play Sc powerhouse Summerville at Summerville in late august)
6.St.X(Have to put them here)
7. St thomas Aquinas(Watch out. They have a transfer Qb from New york comming in and they return lots of talent. Will play Colerain In the 07 Herbie.
8.Independence(should finally Prove they deserve to be here)
9.De la salle(they have to prove they are worth the name they carry. and i see them doing that)
10.Lakeland(wont be as down and most think loss the names people know. But from what i know they will be fine.)

Teams to watch

Gaffeny-South Carolina
Colerain-Ohio
Daytona Beach Mainland-Florda
Pahokee-Florida
Hoover-alabama
Don Basco Prep-New Jersey
Blue Springs South-Missouri
Bingham-Uath
Dematha-Maryland


Call me florida biased. But you will see what i mean in the final polls nextyear.

[pied]

1.SouthLake Carroll(What Needs to be said. )
2.Miami Northwestern( Will play Southlake Carroll At Southlake Carroll )

Call me florida biased. But you will see what i mean in the final polls nextyear.

What happened in the last thirty minutes? You have SLC #1 yet you posted this on another thread in regards to the matchup:

Variables?????????????????

Yea after the first games of the season next year. This one will be easy to perdict. Nw win.

http://yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136719

Seems if you can easily predict a NW win, you would have them ranked higher to me. Seems like a pretty good list after that. I think DLS might be stronger than last year from what I have heard from some DLS posters.

Forgive my ignorance but where is Weaton Warrenville South?

[UncleBaldy]

Forgive my ignorance but where is Weaton Warrenville South?

Illinois.

Wheaton Warrenville South.

[Chicago]

Chicago suburbs.

I saw their state semifinal.

Rolled through the playoffs. No final score was close.

They were calpreps #1 when their season ended, but moved down a bit when other teams (including SLC) won games after that (Illinois ends very early).

[naughty]

What happened in the last thirty minutes? You have SLC #1 yet you posted this on another thread in regards to the matchup:



http://yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136719

Seems if you can easily predict a NW win, you would have them ranked higher to me. Seems like a pretty good list after that. I think DLS might be stronger than last year from what I have heard from some DLS posters.

Forgive my ignorance but where is Weaton Warrenville South?

Because Slc deserves to be #1 until someone takes ir form them thats why. NO mattar what i think will happen. You gotta give respect where it is due.

[gocards]

Because Slc deserves to be #1 until someone takes ir form them thats why. NO mattar what i think will happen. You gotta give respect where it is due.

How can you take it away from them if you don't play them. I'm not a proponent of giving somebody something this year just because they won it last year.

[MA Fan]

Doesn't Wheaton-Warrenville South graduate almost all their starters?

[pied]

How can you take it away from them if you don't play them. I'm not a proponent of giving somebody something this year just because they won it last year.

The SLC offense would appear to be the best unit ever returning in Texas HS history. Pretty bold claim, but if you look at what they have done and what they have returning, it is not that crazy to think that.

That being said, I think the NW game, if it happens, early in the season would be a very tough game for the Dragons.

[Big Drop]

I have been hearing that they will be playing X.
Originally, DeMatha was told they would play either Moeller or St. X. This was about three weeks ago. Somewhere on here there is a thread about X playing an Indianapolis team that weekend so if that's true, I'm assuming it is Moeller. Personally, I would much prefer DM play X and believe it will be a better matchup. DeMatha has actually played Moeller before, in 1980, in Faust's last year. I saw that game at UC and left feeling that Faust's Moeller teams were the best I had ever seen. Two players from that DM team went into the NFL. Moeller 34 DeMatha 0. Today, DeMatha has a lot in common with Moeller of then. Frankly, the Herbie will be an interesting game, whoever DeMatha plays.

[ProfessorX]

colerain lost their coach and coaching although it isn't everything, is a lot of things... they may not even win their conference...

St. X has Ashley, thats it and arent really that good.


If you're going to put an Ohio team in there put Elder or St. Ignatius who both have average senior classes but great junior classes. Also look out for Moeller who has a poor senior class but the best junior and sophmore classes in ohio.

LMAO. Good joke Corky.

[LittleCardsDad]

colerain lost their coach and coaching although it isn't everything, is a lot of things... they may not even win their conference...

I'll take that bet.

[LittleCardsDad]

holy guacamole........ i didnt say colerain and st x would win state....... im on crack:rolleyes:

2 things that i want to be known...

1) im not an elder fan

2) i rooted for colerain in the regional title game last year vs ecks


now...... just stop for two seconds.

1- Why is your guess any better than mine?

2 - How many varsity games did you see last year?

3 - How many jv games did you see last year?

My guess is not as many as me....

Who's games are you talking about? I thought Me and Gocards were the only ones here that made it to JV games. :shrug: Btw, that's why we're the ones who were wagging our fingers when everyone else was saying it would be a rebuilding year for the Cards. They're bringing back 14 guys from a State semi-finalist team. I've seen the rest coming up. Bolden will have his foot on the gas from week 1. There's not a doubt in my mind about R4.

[psax889906]

holy guacamole........ i didnt say colerain and st x would win state....... im on crack:rolleyes:2 things that i want to be known...

1) im not an elder fan

2) i rooted for colerain in the regional title game last year vs ecks


now...... just stop for two seconds.

1- Why is your guess any better than mine?

2 - How many varsity games did you see last year?

3 - How many jv games did you see last year?

My guess is not as many as me....

No, you said St. X and Colerain wouldn't win their respective Conferences and considering the talent both are bringing back.... :)

[naughty]

How can you take it away from them if you don't play them. I'm not a proponent of giving somebody something this year just because they won it last year.

Do you know what they bring back next year. You must not know what they bring back. Pretty much eveything needed to be just as good.

[LittleCardsDad]

Do you know what they bring back next year. You must not know what they bring back. Pretty much eveything needed to be just as good.

Naughty, I just got to see the X/Lakeland game for the first time. I gotta tell ya, I wasn't blown away. Both teams were pretty good, but far from great. X lacked speed on defense and doesn't have a lot of offensive weaponry, Lakeland's D lacked discipline and gets out of position way too easily. They could both be great teams next year, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[gocards]

Do you know what they bring back next year. You must not know what they bring back. Pretty much eveything needed to be just as good.

I'd say that if you have to replace most of your offensive line and QB is a big questionmark there is a good chance that your offense is going to be worse than last year.

[Cincy guy]

colerain lost their coach and coaching although it isn't everything, is a lot of things... they may not even win their conference...

St. X has Ashley, thats it and arent really that good.


If you're going to put an Ohio team in there put Elder or St. Ignatius who both have average senior classes but great junior classes. Also look out for Moeller who has a poor senior class but the best junior and sophmore classes in ohio.

Are you sure about the X and Colerain comments. Last I checked the Cards return 14 starters and lets not forget that there JV went undfeated this past season while X returns 14 or 15 starters and the also had a great JV team. But back to X what about Fred Craig , Nick Shneider, Luca Romeo, Muldon, the Ball kid, and you mean to tell me that they are not that good. I do agree with your views about Elder 09 and Iggy 09.

[LittleCardsDad]

Moeller's JV tied Colerain's JV without a quaterback.... we used our fullback and had 9 players playing up on varsity. thats the talent that Moeller has. Did i say that Colerain and X were bad? no. i said they didn't neccessarily have their conferences rapped up.

Colerain had 14 playing up on Varsity. Including their QB. Crazier things have happened, but Colerain and X heading for each other in the R4 final is an even money bet at this point.

[UncleBaldy]

No, you said St. X and Colerain wouldn't win their respective Conferences and considering the talent both are bringing back.... :)

Lets shelve the crack jokes at the door, shall we?

[concha]

Lakeland just lost God's Own Supply of Talent and had multiple close games last season even with that talent. They will NOT be a national top ten next year.

[Cincy guy]

Colerain had 14 playing up on Varsity. Including their QB. Crazier things have happened, but Colerain and X heading for each other in the R4 final is an even money bet at this point.

You sumed it up better then I could.

[Bearcat513]

colerain is going to be missing Eugene next year for sure. Just wondering who are some of colerain's playmakers for next year on offense other than Reynolds?

[gocards]

colerain is going to be missing Eugene next year for sure. Just wondering who are some of colerain's playmakers for next year on offense other than Reynolds?

Colerain lost more D1 players last year than they do this year including Conner Smith and Tyler Moeller and still re-loaded to be the best team in R4. I think how they re-load at running back will be the determining factor in how far they go.

[Bearcat513]

yeah but Eugene was a game breaker on all sides of the field and took away scoring oppurtunities single handedly many times (see X vs Colerain)

[psax889906]

yeah but Eugene was a game breaker on all sides of the field and took away scoring oppurtunities single handedly many times (see X vs Colerain)

Wasn't Tyler Moeller named Ohio Defensive Player of the Year by various organizations his senior year?... and didn't Conner kind of, yanno, play in that whole All-American game thing?... Eugene will be hard to replace, no doubt... but the old saying goes, 'you're only as strong as your weakest link.'

[Bearcat513]

yeah but neither Connor or Moeller got colerain amazing field position off of returns ;)

[psax889906]

yeah but neither Connor or Moeller got colerain amazing field position off of returns ;)

True, but boy wouldn't it have been scary if KC put the two of them back there to return a few?!!! Tyler back deep and Connor plowing the way in front of him... yikes!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Bearcat513]

ha amen. that would have been a much scarier team if mixon was full strength and if Gene was a senior that year

[ColerainWinsAgain]

Hoooooooover Alabama baaaaabyy!!!

You can't rank em ahead of the team thats gonna stomp em...

[WoodyHayes]

Naughty, I just got to see the X/Lakeland game for the first time. I gotta tell ya, I wasn't blown away. Both teams were pretty good, but far from great. X lacked speed on defense and doesn't have a lot of offensive weaponry, Lakeland's D lacked discipline and gets out of position way too easily. They could both be great teams next year, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
SLC would have beaten either one handily and will do it to the undisciplined FLA. team next year.

[naughty]

SLC would have beaten either one handily and will do it to the undisciplined FLA. team next year.

Slc would not haven beaten either team last year. And Northwestern will stomp them. You guys see tape from 1998 and judge a team in 2007. Nine Years later.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


This will be the look on the Northwestern sideline:Party:




This will be the look on the Slc Sideline:soapbox: (thats if the slc has to balls to go through witht he game they promised will happen)

[naughty]

Slc would not haven beaten either team last year. And Northwestern will stomp them. You guys see tape from 1998 and judge a team in 2007. Nine Years later.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


This will be the look on the Northwestern sideline:Party:




This will be the look on the Slc Sideline:soapbox: (thats if the slc has to balls to go through witht he game they promised will happen)



You dont see lakeland being judged on the year when they had a team full of Freshmen do you? Whole new bulls team. So if Carroll comes in with that mind set. Then it wont even be game. The bulls will stomp them.

[SLCDad]

I thought the Northwestern tape was from 2001 or 2002 not 1998. It's hard to believe that very much has changed since then.

SLC would have dismantled Lakeland in 2005. Everybody knew SLC was the best team in the nation except Chris Lawlor. In 2005 SLC was the most favored national champ of ANY mythical champ since the DLS glory days. SLC was #1 in 2005 at it wasn't even close.

I'd say that 2006 was slightly closer, but Lakeland struggled several times during the year. Early in the year their victory over StX seemed impressive BUT even that game lost it's luster when StX got beat early in the Ohio playoffs. Lakeland really didn't have the kind of season that a national championship team should have. If Lakeland hadn't started the season ranked high, they probably wouldn't have made the top 5 at the end.

SLC, on the other hand, started much lower in the rankings in 2006. (They had 10 new starters on offense.) During the season and the playoffs SLC proved how good they were at the same time that Lakeland was struggling. That is why the combined polls put SLC as #1 in 2006.

I REALLY look forward to the game with Northwestern if it happens in 2007. You say SLC "promised" to play the game. That is false. The game has not yet been officially announced by anyone. However, it looks like it will happen. Northwestern will see an exhibition of discipline, execution and teamwork that they have never seen before. If the game is played in Dragon Stadium, they will see a packed house that we see pretty much every week.

[Chicago]

Is there any chance the game would actually be played at Dragon Stadium?

Or would it be somewhere like Texas Stadium?

I'd probably go if it is at Texas Stadium, but there is no way I'm going to fly down there to risk getting stuck in an over-filled high school stadium (no matter how nice it may be) standing behind the end zone or something (an Illinois high school playoff staple).

[SLCDad]

Is there any chance the game would actually be played at Dragon Stadium?

Or would it be somewhere like Texas Stadium?

I'd probably go if it is at Texas Stadium, but there is no way I'm going to fly down there to risk getting stuck in an over-filled high school stadium (no matter how nice it may be) standing behind the end zone or something (an Illinois high school playoff staple).The game very well may be played in Dragon Stadium. ESPN wants a full stadium for the game which rules out Texas Stadium. ESPN has broadcast from Dragon Stadium in the past and they know they will get a great show if the game is played there (packed stadium, great crowd, nice stadium, etc.). The problem is that since Dragon Stadium seats less than 11,000 many fans would be turned away. There is talk about playing at SMU (seats around 30,000) but that stadium is booked on Saturday that weekend. Plus, I'd be surprised if more than 20,000 attend the game since it is a week 2 game meaning a partially empty stadium. I'd guess Northwestern won't bring more than 1,000 fans and probably less. That's all I know about the location.

Another interesting side note is that the game is technically an "away" game for SLC. They already have 5 home games scheduled. That doesn't mean much except the SLC season ticket holders would not have that game included in their ticket package. Those folks aren't used to having to come 60-90 mins early to get a seat. They pay $25 per ticket per game.

In 2004 the opposite thing happened to SLC. They played a "home" game in San Antonio at the Alamodome (5 hours away).

[terrel4life]

stow is the team to beat this year alex loftin to steven collins is going to be the best hook up all year with jordan wright and matt marino runin it there is no stopin them this year

[WoodyHayes]

stow is the team to beat this year alex loftin to steven collins is going to be the best hook up all year with jordan wright and matt marino runin it there is no stopin them this yearAre you talking about Stow Ohio?

[Stizostedion]

Hyattsville, MD DeMatha will be loaded. They'll have close to a dozen starters returning, as well as about two dozen players who saw significant playing time last year. Last year's model crushed nearly every opponent they played. I would not be surprised to see DeMatha flirt with a top three national rating at some point during the next season.

[buckeyebomber]

DeMatha is playing St. X

At least thats what 1 of the X football players wrote on the chalkboard when asked about next years schedule

[HDvHS FAN]

#1 HILLIARD DAVIDSON :Party: :Party: :Party: :Party:
:Party:

Defending State Champs

29 - 1 in last three regular seasons

39 - 3 overall.

why not? last year proved anything can happen. haha

[naughty]

I thought the Northwestern tape was from 2001 or 2002 not 1998. It's hard to believe that very much has changed since then.

SLC would have dismantled Lakeland in 2005. Everybody knew SLC was the best team in the nation except Chris Lawlor. In 2005 SLC was the most favored national champ of ANY mythical champ since the DLS glory days. SLC was #1 in 2005 at it wasn't even close.

I'd say that 2006 was slightly closer, but Lakeland struggled several times during the year. Early in the year their victory over StX seemed impressive BUT even that game lost it's luster when StX got beat early in the Ohio playoffs. Lakeland really didn't have the kind of season that a national championship team should have. If Lakeland hadn't started the season ranked high, they probably wouldn't have made the top 5 at the end.

SLC, on the other hand, started much lower in the rankings in 2006. (They had 10 new starters on offense.) During the season and the playoffs SLC proved how good they were at the same time that Lakeland was struggling. That is why the combined polls put SLC as #1 in 2006.

I REALLY look forward to the game with Northwestern if it happens in 2007. You say SLC "promised" to play the game. That is false. The game has not yet been officially announced by anyone. However, it looks like it will happen. Northwestern will see an exhibition of discipline, execution and teamwork that they have never seen before. If the game is played in Dragon Stadium, they will see a packed house that we see pretty much every week.


Slcdad who gives a you know what. We have been through this already. Lakeland/slc #1 in 2006. Who cares? How long are you going to drag this on.

And yes you did see the tape from the year of the bull tape. And trust me . things have changed. And northwestern Brings crowds of 20,000 to some of ther reg season games. So crowds will not be problem. Carroll will not have th fire power to keep up with northwestern. I can see it biging close then the bulls pulling away.

[SLCDad]

Slcdad who gives a you know what. We have been through this already. Lakeland/slc #1 in 2006. Who cares? How long are you going to drag this on.

And yes you did see the tape from the year of the bull tape. And trust me . things have changed. And northwestern Brings crowds of 20,000 to some of ther reg season games. So crowds will not be problem. Carroll will not have th fire power to keep up with northwestern. I can see it biging close then the bulls pulling away.Think of me as a therapist. Lakeland has been living a lie and I'm trying to help them be more honest with themselves.:thumb: (just kidding)

I'd be surprised if Northwestern brings more than 500-1000 fans. SLC wins this one. 45-21.

[SLCDad]

#1 HILLIARD DAVIDSON :Party: :Party: :Party: :Party:
:Party:

Defending State Champs

29 - 1 in last three regular seasons

39 - 3 overall.

why not? last year proved anything can happen. hahaI guess we will see if lightning strikes twice in the same place.

How about these stats:

Three time defending state champs and four titles in the last five years.

50-0 in last five regular seasons.

79-1 overall (only loss was by one point).

48 game current winning streak.

Played more games and won more games over the last 5 years than any high school team in the nation.

Three time defending national champ.

Predicted pre-season national #1 in 2007

[Chicago]

After watching that tape, I'd be careful about using the term "firepower."

[SLCDad]

After watching that tape, I'd be careful about using the term "firepower."You may be right. I'm calling the stadium to have metal detectors installed on the MNW side.:D :D

[Cincy guy]

You may be right. I'm calling the stadium to have metal detectors installed on the MNW side.:D :D

Man that was low!:laugh: :laugh:

[psax889906]

I guess we will see if lightning strikes twice in the same place.

How about these stats:

Three time defending state champs and four titles in the last five years.

50-0 in last five regular seasons.

79-1 overall (only loss was by one point).

48 game current winning streak.

Played more games and won more games over the last 5 years than any high school team in the nation.

Three time defending national champ.

Predicted pre-season national #1 in 2007


Pwnage... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Impressive indeed.

[naughty]

You may be right. I'm calling the stadium to have metal detectors installed on the MNW side.:D :D



OK yea right.

Have you ever seen Northwestern Play. We saw Southlake Carroll play against austin westlake here in florida. And from out thoughts. Slc vs. Lakeland last year would have been a good one. But Northwestern was out of everyones ball park last year. And will be next year also. They will bring way more then 1,000 fans. They have a strong fan base, Good players ,and an outstanding team. What esle could carroll want from and out of state team. I mean finally some one who can give you game, And has the goods to beat you if they play to par. Thats what you sould want from and out of state game. What they only time you faced that was against trinty. So it will be a good game. I just dont think Slc has the power to knock them off. The only teams that will have what it takes to have with carroll next year are. Sta,Miami Northwestern,Booker t. Washington, Dematha,Dls, and possible St.x. Florida is on track to put in 4-5 in the pre-season rankings. Boy its going to be a good year for florida prep ball next year. Yea and to think it will be a blow out either way is ed. Its fun for bashing on the web but im reality. this game will be really really close.

Finally another long awaited for Prep ball pre-season #1 vs. #2.

#1 Carroll Vs #2 Northwestern(who may open the season with predicted top 10 Booker t. Washington)- the battle for the top spot.

What else could you want.

[WoodyHayes]

I te ya da answer to dat one, dog. I hope they leave there guns at home and leave da pizza alone.:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Chicago]

I can now actually read this stuff without feeling like I'm cracking code for the Allies.

I've obviously spent far too much time on this site.

[concha]

I can now actually read this stuff without feeling like I'm cracking code for the Allies.

I've obviously spent far too much time on this site.

True dat. Word.

[SLCDad]

OK yea right.

Have you ever seen Northwestern Play. We saw Southlake Carroll play against austin westlake here in florida. And from out thoughts. Slc vs. Lakeland last year would have been a good one. But Northwestern was out of everyones ball park last year. And will be next year also. They will bring way more then 1,000 fans. They have a strong fan base, Good players ,and an outstanding team. What esle could carroll want from and out of state team. I mean finally some one who can give you game, And has the goods to beat you if they play to par. Thats what you sould want from and out of state game. What they only time you faced that was against trinty. So it will be a good game. I just dont think Slc has the power to knock them off. The only teams that will have what it takes to have with carroll next year are. Sta,Miami Northwestern,Booker t. Washington, Dematha,Dls, and possible St.x. Florida is on track to put in 4-5 in the pre-season rankings. Boy its going to be a good year for florida prep ball next year. Yea and to think it will be a blow out either way is ed. Its fun for bashing on the web but im reality. this game will be really really close.

Finally another long awaited for Prep ball pre-season #1 vs. #2.

#1 Carroll Vs #2 Northwestern(who may open the season with predicted top 10 Booker t. Washington)- the battle for the top spot.

What else could you want.
Interesting that a Lakeland fan would say that "Northwestern was out of everyones ball park last year." Are you saying that Lakeland wasn't deserving of the co-national champion designation they got in 2006? Lakeland's website loudly proclaims their supposed two national titles. The case for Lakeland in 2005 was not real strong and they struggled a few times in 2006.

SLC has had many games against top national teams. SLC's strength of schedule is in the national top 5 over the last few years (if playoffs are included).

Yes, the 2007 SLC vs. MNW game will be a great one. MNW has a whole stable of top prospects. SLC has almost all of their offense coming back (some have said SLC's 2007 offense may be the best in the history of Texas football). SLC's defense and their new coach are the question marks. MNW is a "more than worthy" replacement for DeLaSalle on SLC's schedule. In fact, it's probably a good thing that the SLC vs. DLS game didn't work out. The SLC vs. MNW game will be better.

I can't wait.

[WoodyHayes]

And tell the truth. SLC is gonna roll these thugs.

[Cincy guy]

OK yea right.

Have you ever seen Northwestern Play. We saw Southlake Carroll play against austin westlake here in florida. And from out thoughts. Slc vs. Lakeland last year would have been a good one. But Northwestern was out of everyones ball park last year. And will be next year also. They will bring way more then 1,000 fans. They have a strong fan base, Good players ,and an outstanding team. What esle could carroll want from and out of state team. I mean finally some one who can give you game, And has the goods to beat you if they play to par. Thats what you sould want from and out of state game. What they only time you faced that was against trinty. So it will be a good game. I just dont think Slc has the power to knock them off. The only teams that will have what it takes to have with carroll next year are. Sta,Miami Northwestern,Booker t. Washington, Dematha,Dls, and possible St.x. Florida is on track to put in 4-5 in the pre-season rankings. Boy its going to be a good year for florida prep ball next year. Yea and to think it will be a blow out either way is ed. Its fun for bashing on the web but im reality. this game will be really really close.

Finally another long awaited for Prep ball pre-season #1 vs. #2.

#1 Carroll Vs #2 Northwestern(who may open the season with predicted top 10 Booker t. Washington)- the battle for the top spot.

What else could you want.

Naughty what all does Lakeland have coming back next year. When I seen them play last year they seemed to be mostly Sr. heavy.

[Chicago]

Maybe Lakeland will be even better.

A lot of the guys who barely beat St. Xavier, Osceola, Kathleen, and Aquinas will be gone.

That can only help.

[HDvHS FAN]

I guess we will see if lightning strikes twice in the same place.

How about these stats:

Three time defending state champs and four titles in the last five years.

50-0 in last five regular seasons.

79-1 overall (only loss was by one point).

48 game current winning streak.

Played more games and won more games over the last 5 years than any high school team in the nation.

Three time defending national champ.

Predicted pre-season national #1 in 2007

c'mon man why you gotta be like that, haha.


let me gloat just a little bit.

[SLCDad]

c'mon man why you gotta be like that, haha.


let me gloat just a little bit.Sorry. Go ahead and gloat. (just a little smack talk from me)

HD has had a great run. Any team that wins a state title in Ohio has accomplished someting big.

[HDvHS FAN]

well thank you, you're numbers were quite impressive i have to admitt.

[UncleBaldy]

Predicted pre-season national #1 in 2007

Notre Dame was a pre-season #2. Look where it got them. There is only one thing that means even less than post season rankings . . . and that is pre-season rankings. ;)

[SLCDad]

Notre Dame was a pre-season #2. Look where it got them. There is only one thing that means even less than post season rankings . . . and that is pre-season rankings. ;)Since we don't have any kind of national tournament or a title game the rankings are the best we can do. National rankings are a DIRECT RESULT OF ON FIELD PERFORMANCE. If a team does exceptionally well on the field, the national rankings will follow.

Southlake Carroll:
Last Five Years:
--Three time defending state champs, five straight finals appearances and four titles in the last five years.
--50-0 in last five regular seasons.
--29-1 play-off record.
--79-1 overall (only loss was by one point in the 2003 state final).
--48 game current winning streak.
--Played more games and won more games over the last 5 years than any high school team in the nation.

Last Twenty Years:
--Twelve 10-0 regular seasons in the last 20 years.
--Seven 16-0 seasons in the last 20 years.

Texas Most Playoff Wins Over Past 20 Seasons (1987-2006) 5A Schools
1. 74 - Southlake Carroll
2. 56 - Converse Judson
3. 54 - Katy
4. 50 - Corpus Christi Calallen
5. 49 - Austin Westlake
6. 35 - Midland Lee
7. 33 - Odessa Permian
8. 31 - Smithson Valley
9. 31 - A&M Consolidated
10. 30 - Arlington Lamar

Texas Highest Playoff Winning Percentage Over Past 20 Seasons (1987-2006) 5A Schools
1. 87.65% - Southlake Carroll (74-10-1)
2. 80.71% - Converse Judson (56-13-1)
3. 79.41% - Katy (54-14-0)
4. 79.07% - Odessa Permian (33-8-2)
5. 75.00% - San Antonio Roosevelt (12-4-0)
6. 75.00% - San Antonio Churchill (3-1-0)
7. 75.00% - San Antonio Reagan (3-1-0)
8. 73.81% - Smithson Valley (31-11-0)
9. 72.46% - Austin Westlake (49-18-2)

Since SLC did all of that (above) AND has 10 offensive starters coming back, the predicted 2007 pre-season National #1 is the natural result.

[Chicago]

So Judson will be ranked second in the country, or a little lower?

[Chicago]

How about 5A playoff wins, rather than playoff wins by schools now in 5A?

[SLCDad]

How about 5A playoff wins, rather than playoff wins by schools now in 5A?I don't have the data for 5A only wins. Some teams move up and down so it's not easy to isolate that.

SLC is 29-1 in the playoffs in 5A or 96.67% winning. Obviously that won't be the highest number of wins but it will be the highest winning % (by far).

[SLCDad]

So Judson will be ranked second in the country, or a little lower?I know you are joking, but there is a point.

Yes, the polls are all mythical. However, they reflect actual performance on the field. That is the point. SLC has been dominating Texas. They finsihed #1 nationally in 2006 (and 2004 and 2005). They have lots of players coming back. We don't know if SLC will dominate in 2007 but based on their history it's a good bet that they will. Hence . . . . predicted 2007 preseaon #1 ranking.

SLC will get a huge "benefit of the doubt" in the polls. They've earned it.


This is not unlike how the polls treated DLS in 2003 and before. Who knows if DLS was #1 or not (especially since they didn't have a full state playoff in CA). However, since DLS won all those games over many years the polls rightly gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[UncleBaldy]

Since SLC did all of that (above) AND has 10 offensive starters coming back, the predicted 2007 pre-season National #1 is the natural result.

And?

That means exactly what?

The answer you are looking for is nothing.

Maybe one of these days you will learn that high school football is all about the players, the students, and their fans. It is apparent that all it means to you is rankings. And now you are even crowing about pre-season rankings. Its a bit much.

Who was the pre-season #1 last year. Maybe you might get that one. Okay, how about five years ago. Maybe ten. It is high school football and those that play and have played understand that it is all about playing alongside your teammates and looking each other in the eye in that huddle and knowing that you were giving 100% and that you wouldn't let each other down. That is what high school football is all about. Its not about hypothetical pre-season and post-season rankings.

[SLCDad]

And?

That means exactly what?

The answer you are looking for is nothing.

Maybe one of these days you will learn that high school football is all about the players, the students, and their fans. It is apparent that all it means to you is rankings. And now you are even crowing about pre-season rankings. Its a bit much.

Who was the pre-season #1 last year. Maybe you might get that one. Okay, how about five years ago. Maybe ten. It is high school football and those that play and have played understand that it is all about playing alongside your teammates and looking each other in the eye in that huddle and knowing that you were giving 100% and that you wouldn't let each other down. That is what high school football is all about. Its not about hypothetical pre-season and post-season rankings.
Baldy:

Did you notice the name of this thread? This thread is ALL about rankings. Specifically, it's about 2007 pre-season rankings.

Excuse me for posting the factors that will enter into the equation about who the preseason #1 will be.

Isn't that part of the question that CincyGuy asked when he started this thread?

Sheesh.


If YOU want to post about other things regarding high school football start some threads and we can discuss it.

However, don't hijack this thread (you started to . . . twice) because this thread is about 2007 preseason rankings. :thumb: :thumb:

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[naughty]

Maybe Lakeland will be even better.

A lot of the guys who barely beat St. Xavier, Osceola, Kathleen, and Aquinas will be gone.

That can only help.

ha you play close attention to lakeland dont you. Up can scratch Aquinas and St.X off the list being they were nationally ranked. And the kathleen game is normally close and we sucked against osceola so that sums that up for you. And lakeland is bringing the goods next year. I seen them practice and the quick strike Dreadnuaght Passing game will be back and in strong effect. the team will be fine. if you hate us so much why comment on us?:shrug: . Northwestern Will be up there next year. So that Slc game will be good. We like to say it will be a blow out. But it wont be that close. And i take Nw because i strongly dont think anyteam has the firepower that they bring to the table every week. Show me a team that shuts out 7 teams in the row by the score of 317-0 and has much of that team coming back. Then you have a team that can hang with northwestern. But until then . I dont see it.

[SLCDad]

SLC vs. MNW will be great. I hope the game happens.

If you believe Freeman rankings, SLC played 7 games against teams rated higher than any team MNW faced all year. Massey ratings says pretty much the same thing. Let's be honest, most of the MNW shuthouts were against poor teams.

2006 results.

MNW. 15-0 Schedule Strength: 23.8
WINS: #388 Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs, FL) (34-14), #566 North Miami Beach (FL) (42-20), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (41-0), #699 Central (Miami, FL) (39-12), #1381 Homestead (FL) (46-10), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (42-0), #1526 Columbus (Miami, FL) (48-11), #1694 Jackson (Miami, FL) (41-0), #2176 Edison (Miami, FL) (40-8), #2304 Killian (Miami, FL) (34-20), #2879 Hialeah (FL) (51-0), #3092 Carol City (Miami, FL) (50-13), #4235 American (Hialeah, FL) (41-0), #7034 Hialeah-Miami Lakes (Hialeah, FL) (54-0), #10803 Goleman (Miami, FL) (47-0), LOSSES: none

SLC. 16-0 Schedule Strength: 37.8
WINS: #37 Trinity (Euless, TX) (22-21), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (33-7), #52 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (56-7), #55 Allen (TX) (38-0), #71 Westlake (Austin, TX) (43-29), #273 Permian (Odessa, TX) (42-6), #328 Grapevine (TX) (45-7), #477 Rockwall (TX) (47-7), #587 Northwest (Justin, TX) (45-21), #607 Evangel Christian (Shreveport, LA) (43-16), #1381 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (38-0), #1467 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (49-13), #1882 Lewisville (TX) (35-0), #1949 Keller Central (Keller, TX) (57-7), #2304 Keller (TX) (64-24), #2795 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (52-14), LOSSES: none

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[Chicago]

SLCDad:

All these Freeman numbers and Massey numbers are kind of confusing.

Could you just tell everyone how many goods SLC is bringing next year?

[SLCDad]

SLCDad:

All these Freeman numbers and Massey numbers are kind of confusing.

Could you just tell everyone how many goods SLC is bringing next year?

Plenty.

[Rabbit]

Originally, DeMatha was told they would play either Moeller or St. X. This was about three weeks ago. Somewhere on here there is a thread about X playing an Indianapolis team that weekend so if that's true, I'm assuming it is Moeller. Personally, I would much prefer DM play X and believe it will be a better matchup. DeMatha has actually played Moeller before, in 1980, in Faust's last year. I saw that game at UC and left feeling that Faust's Moeller teams were the best I had ever seen. Two players from that DM team went into the NFL. Moeller 34 DeMatha 0. Today, DeMatha has a lot in common with Moeller of then. Frankly, the Herbie will be an interesting game, whoever DeMatha plays.

Moeller is slated to play Mission Viejo, California, that coming from a reliable source at Moeller.

[consumerman]

And?

That means exactly what?

The answer you are looking for is nothing.

Maybe one of these days you will learn that high school football is all about the players, the students, and their fans. It is apparent that all it means to you is rankings. And now you are even crowing about pre-season rankings. Its a bit much.

Who was the pre-season #1 last year. Maybe you might get that one. Okay, how about five years ago. Maybe ten. It is high school football and those that play and have played understand that it is all about playing alongside your teammates and looking each other in the eye in that huddle and knowing that you were giving 100% and that you wouldn't let each other down. That is what high school football is all about. Its not about hypothetical pre-season and post-season rankings.

AMEN

[consumerman]

And tell the truth. SLC is gonna roll these thugs.

another nice enlightened post from one of the texas brethren

thugs???????????????????

[naughty]

another nice enlightened post from one of the texas brethren

thugs???????????????????

Yep. Those overrated thugs that have never seen or played one of your good white boy teams right. lol.

ha you crack me up. you talk about texas ball. Come and play in dade. Its always strong and they just freakin beat down other. Its like the sec of high school ball. so right now. Northwestern is florida. Slc is ohio state. No one is picking Nw to win. And we all saw what that lead to in the national championship game.

All i will say is watch out. Call them thugs. Hoes. sluts. what ever you want. BUt when they come to town you better be ready. This is first team slc will play that in some ways has a mental advantage over you and has more talent and can meet you match for match in almost all positions.

Dont be ready. And slc will just start the streak of shut outs for this team in 2007.

[Chicago]

I have no idea what the players from Northwestern are actually like.

However, I've been to Dade (I even lived there for a summer).

I'm guessing there's a reason there's no CSI Southlake on TV.

[consumerman]

I have no idea what the players from Northwestern are actually like.

However, I've been to Dade (I even lived there for a summer).

I'm guessing there's a reason there's no CSI Southlake on TV.

There could be a CSI Dallas Cowboys and that would fill enough episodes for 2 seasons, Nate Newton would have a recurring role

[consumerman]

And now you are even crowing about pre-season rankings. Its a bit much.



Even before the pre-season (= meaningless) rankings come out, he is crowing about them

too sad

[Bordertown]

Pathetic. Has nothing to do with High school sports and added nothing to the thread. The Cowboys and Nate Newton will not play in the game in September.

Are you aware Southlake's crime rate is so low, they do not have a jail. They have contracted with a neighboring city to handle anyone who needs to be incarcerated.

Contrary to SLCDad trying to down play the affluence of Southlake Carroll, the game will be a contrast of demographics at many levels.

[concha]

Contrary to SLCDad trying to down play the affluence of Southlake Carroll, the game will be a contrast of demographics at many levels.

Agree here.

Very affluent and predominanatly white suburban school versus a poor, urban and pre-dominantly African-American school.

At least on the resources side (facilitites, equipment and the like), you should see a huge disparity here. I would also venture to bet that there is a great disparity in the stability of the homes, emphasis on achievement/expectations etc of the kids.

For example, I highy doubt you would ever see an SLC coach assaulting his own player. Nor would you see an SLC player talk smack a coach (or steal a pizza, for that matter). Lack of such distractions and disruptions allows focus on doing actual football.

[SLCDad]

Agree here.

Very affluent and predominanatly white suburban school versus a poor, urban and pre-dominantly African-American school.

At least on the resources side (facilitites, equipment and the like), you should see a huge disparity here. I would also venture to bet that there is a great disparity in the stability of the homes, emphasis on achievement/expectations etc of the kids.

For example, I highy doubt you would ever see an SLC coach assaulting his own player. Nor would you see an SLC player talk smack a coach (or steal a pizza, for that matter). Lack of such distractions and disruptions allows focus on doing actual football.

Concha, you are right.

The demographics in Southlake are great in many ways. You mention family stability. In Southlake just under 80% of the adults are living in a married household with both spouses there. The US avererage is around 50% and I'd guess Dade county is well below that. In Southlake about 15% of adults have never been married. That means that 95% (give or take) of the adults in Southlake are either living in a married household with both father and mother there OR they have never been married. That is terrific.

Around 3% of adults are living as single divorced adults (some of the married households include previous divorces). About 1% widowed and less than 1% married but separated.

I believe it's the strong families that are the #1 contributor to educational, financial and athletic success that Southlake enjoys.

In the last census, household income in Southlake was MORE than triple the national average.

In 2003 the violent crime rate was 0.4 per 1,000 (10 crimes all year) and there were zero murders. Dade county probably has more violent crimes than that in one day.

By quoting these stats I'm not bragging, but just trying contrast SLC and MNW. Most of the SLC kids have lots of advantages.

Regarding facilities, SLC does not have better facilities than most of the other 5A schools in the area.

[concha]

Concha, you are right.

The demographics in Southlake are great in many ways. You mention family stability. In Southlake just under 80% of the adults are living in a married household with both spouses there. The US avererage is around 50% and I'd guess Dade county is well below that. In Southlake about 15% of adults have never been married. That means that 95% (give or take) of the adults in Southlake are either living in a married household with both father and mother there OR they have never been married. That is terrific.

Around 3% of adults are living as single divorced adults (some of the married households include previous divorces). About 1% widowed and less than 1% married but separated.

I believe it's the strong families that are the #1 contributor to educational, financial and athletic success that Southlake enjoys.

In the last census, household income in Southlake was MORE than triple the national average.

In 2003 the violent crime rate was 0.4 per 1,000 (10 crimes all year) and there were zero murders. Dade county probably has more violent crimes than that in one day.

By quoting these stats I'm not bragging, but just trying contrast SLC and MNW. Most of the SLC kids have lots of advantages.

Regarding facilities, SLC does not have better facilities than most of the other 5A schools in the area.

I think that part of what you mention above also relates to the Big Catholics in Ohio. Though not necessarily rich (ex. Elder is very working class), the family situations will tend to be more stable and the expectations and family involvement higher than in a typical public.

In terms of facilities, I am aware that many Texas school systems have lavish facilities by the standards of the rest of the nation (ex. in-door training fields).

[Bordertown]

Concha you are right on the facilities. Texas High is getting ready to vote on a $4.5 million expenditure for their stadium. The stadium was built in 1954 and has had nominal renovations since that time. The plan is a new field house, press box, concessions and field house. Also I suspect field furf and parking upgrades. Personally, I hope they keep the grass field as it is arguably the best in East Texas (Put in by the former grounds keeper that put the field in at the Ball Park in Arlington).

I am afraid that a little of what is happening at the university level is creeping into Texas high school athletics. If you want to keep a good Athletic Director/Head Coach, you need to keep him happy. It is a keeping up with the Jones mentality.

Texas High has an indoor facility that is either 60 to 70 yards of turf.

I agree with the Ohio Catholic and SLC comparision. I think the demographics may not be quite the same but the family values are similiar. I view SLC to be "lower upper to middle upper". The Catholic schools probably begin at the "upper middle to lower upper". I think the only difference is the % of kids with country club privileges are higher at SLC. That is important in sports like golf and tennis.

[SLCDad]

Pathetic. Has nothing to do with High school sports and added nothing to the thread. The Cowboys and Nate Newton will not play in the game in September.

Are you aware Southlake's crime rate is so low, they do not have a jail. They have contracted with a neighboring city to handle anyone who needs to be incarcerated.

Contrary to SLCDad trying to down play the affluence of Southlake Carroll, the game will be a contrast of demographics at many levels.

The last crime stats that I saw were for 2003. That year Southlake had 10 violent crimes for the entire year.

Miami-Dade county has 100 violent crimes each day.

[Bordertown]

I think comparing Miami/Dade is not fair to Northwestern. You would have to include Tarrant County stats. I think you have to compare the school's attendence zone. However I suspect it may reflect the city per 1000 stats.

But if the crime rate is so low you can not justify a city jail, it speaks highly of the community. However your stats are from 2003, I assume the per 1000 stats have risen dramatically due to the internet stalking crimes by a certain poster we all endure when off medication.

[consumerman]

PATHETIC??????????

I think pathetic sums up a group of people who in so many words, or in the case of one person it is verbatim, in referencing a group of high school football players as THUGS. Seems you were not too offended with that were you borderboy?

Pathetic also seems to be an apt definition for those who praise the lineage of Tre Newton then run for cover when his father and his history of criminality is brought up. You can't take the lineage without the criminality, maybe those who praised his linage would have been wiser to leave hom out

Lastly the response was to a CSI show in Southlake being not needed, my comment stands if people like Nate Newton live there (I would guess since his son attends SLC he should live there) then CSI Southlake would have two years of episodes ready and available

[consumerman]

The last crime stats that I saw were for 2003. That year Southlake had 10 violent crimes for the entire year.

Miami-Dade county has 100 violent crimes each day

how many people live in southlake?
how many people live in miami dade?

[Chicago]

Great.

Now I can't help picturing CSI Bengals.

What have you found?

Well, all we know so far is that it's a guy about 180-185 with 4.4 speed.

[SLCDad]

Bordertown: The violent crime rate in Southlake is 40. The comparable rate for Miami is 1,580. These stats are rates which adjust for population. The comparable violent crime rate for Concord, CA is 406. These rates are for 2005.

(Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics)

[consumerman]

Bordertown: The violent crime rate in Southlake is 40. The comparable rate for Miami is 1,580. These stats are rates which adjust for population. The comparable violent crime rate for Concord, CA is 406. These rates are for 2005.

(Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics)

this poor guy has a ranking for everything

i bet 75 of the top 100 cities are in texas

just like the flawed high school strength of schedule rankings

lmao

[consumerman]

These rates are for 2005.



jeez everyone knows concord sucked in 2005

you told us that 10000 times

[SLCDad]

The SLC vs. MNW game will be a game between opposite communities. Here are some national household income figures. These numbers are a few years old.

I believe Miami's comparable numbers are around $40,000 or less.

Highest-income places with a population of at least 10,000

Rank....Place...........Median Household Income
1 Hillsborough, California $193,157
2 Scarsdale, New York $182,792
3 Winnetka, Illinois $167,458
4 Paradise Valley, Arizona $150,228
5 Darien, Connecticut $146,755
6 Weston, Connecticut $146,697
7 New Canaan, Connecticut $141,788
8 Bel Air, California $141,527
9 Wilton, Connecticut $141,428
10 Town and Country, Missouri $139,967
11 Saratoga, California $139,895
12 Alamo, California $137,105
13 Coto de Caza, California $136,726
14 Lake Forest, Illinois $136,462
15 Wolf Trap, Virginia $135,782
16 Piedmont, California $134,270
17 Franklin Lakes, New Jersey $132,373
18 Southlake, Texas $131,549
19 Millburn, New Jersey $130,848
20 West University Place, Texas $130,721
21 Burr Ridge, Illinois $129,507
22 Potomac, Maryland $128,936
23 Los Altos, California $126,740
24 Palos Verdes Estates, California $123,534
25 McLean, Virginia $121,138

[consumerman]

The SLC vs. MNW game will be a game between opposite communities. Here are some national household income figures. These numbers are a few years old.

Highest-income places with a population of at least 10,000

Rank....Place...........Median Household Income
1 Hillsborough, California $193,157
2 Scarsdale, New York $182,792
3 Winnetka, Illinois $167,458
4 Paradise Valley, Arizona $150,228
5 Darien, Connecticut $146,755
6 Weston, Connecticut $146,697
7 New Canaan, Connecticut $141,788
8 Bel Air, California $141,527
9 Wilton, Connecticut $141,428
10 Town and Country, Missouri $139,967
11 Saratoga, California $139,895
12 Alamo, California $137,105
13 Coto de Caza, California $136,726
14 Lake Forest, Illinois $136,462
15 Wolf Trap, Virginia $135,782
16 Piedmont, California $134,270
17 Franklin Lakes, New Jersey $132,373
18 Southlake, Texas $131,549
19 Millburn, New Jersey $130,848
20 West University Place, Texas $130,721
21 Burr Ridge, Illinois $129,507
22 Potomac, Maryland $128,936
23 Los Altos, California $126,740
24 Palos Verdes Estates, California $123,534
25 McLean, Virginia $121,138


YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[consumerman]

ok so far we got football teams, crime and income

still waiting on weather, tourism, government and what else??

gimme a break

[Bordertown]

Pathetic also seems to be an apt definition for those who praise the lineage of Tre Newton then run for cover when his father and his history of criminality is brought up. You can't take the lineage without the criminality, maybe those who praised his linage would have been wiser to leave hom out


Who has praised the lineage. All I have seen is one person who continues to attack young high school men for a mistake of a family member. You do understand this is a public forum and a young man may stumble upon your rantings. Think before you attack a 16 or 17 year old kid by name for his lineage.

In looking at this thread no one brought up the Newton family prior to your sick attack on the family.

It is one thing to attack SLCDad or the SLC program. But to attack individual players is crossing the line, especially when you live 1700 miles away and do not know the person you are potentially hurting. I thought California believed folks who commit crimes could be rehabilitated. Ever thought that could be the case here. And maybe it was a father looking at a son, that made him change his ways.

I have a mental image of you and it is a parody of "Silence of the Lambs". There you sit in the middle of a room with a naked light bulb hanging from the ceiling strapped to a chair in a straight jacket with a mask. Except in the parody the character you play is not intelligent, but muzzled to control the verbal flow of stupidity. During the entire time Napoleon The 14th one hit is played repeatedly in the background.

[consumerman]

Who has praised the lineage. All I have seen is one person who continues to attack young high school men for a mistake of a family member. You do understand this is a public forum and a young man may stumble upon your rantings. Think before you attack a 16 or 17 year old kid by name for his lineage.

In looking at this thread no one brought up the Newton family prior to your sick attack on the family.

It is one thing to attack SLCDad or the SLC program. But to attack individual players is crossing the line, especially when you live 1700 miles away and do not know the person you are potentially hurting. I thought California believed folks who commit crimes could be rehabilitated. Ever thought that could be the case here. And maybe it was a father looking at a son, that made him change his ways.

I have a mental image of you and it is a parody of "Silence of the Lambs". There you sit in the middle of a room with a naked light bulb hanging from the ceiling strapped to a chair in a straight jacket with a mask. Except in the parody the character you play is not intelligent, but muzzled to control the verbal flow of stupidity. During the entire time Napoleon The 14th one hit is played repeatedly in the background.


Did I use the term thug?

Did I insinuate by all means necessary but was too chicken to call them thugs as many have done here?

Have you jumped on your fellow redneck for calling high school players thugs?

Your problem is you attack me for anything and everything but are completely blind to everyone else. (I am flattered - NOT!)

Go jump on your fellow rednecks for calling other teams thugs.

Go jump on others for saying in every way they could MNW is a team of juvenile hoodlums.

HYPOCRITE.

ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ALWAYS WILL BE

[consumerman]

All I have seen is one person who continues to attack young high school men for a mistake of a family member

you are wrong

I have not CONTINUOUSLY attacked high school men

I have pointed out Nate Newton's criminal record

show me in the last 4 months one thread where I have attacked Tre Newton (a 2007 post)

Nate Newton doesnt count

you are wrong

_______________________________

I have at most used Tre Newton as the victim of my post maybe 1-2 times, I would be shocked if you could find 3

meanwhile SLC Dad has called about 20 people here jerks

so he hasnt done it in a while since I started calling him on it

do you say he CONTINUOUSLY calls people jerks?

[consumerman]

During the entire time Napoleon The 14th one hit is played repeatedly in the background.


what planet is that sentence from?

[naughty]

What the heck does a high school football game have to do with crime rates and imcome. OH wait this is another thing you are using to tell us why southlake is going to win right.:clap: :clap: :clap: bravo bravo.:thumb:

[Bordertown]

During the entire time Napoleon The 14th one hit is played repeatedly in the background.


what planet is that sentence from?

Google "Napoleon The 14th". I am not going to spoon feed you.


Please re-read this thread. Your same sick view of life was displayed in speaking of a young man's family. Start specifically at post #6. After you see where you attacked the young man, skip to post #29 and see how the "sheriff" before he was moderator responded to you. If you reread the entire post, you will see why I consider you mental unbalanced (not speaking for others - but will entertain an AMEN from the choir). It is from 2006, but I did not know your button was reset each January 1st.
http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127153&highlight=tre+newton

How is calling someone a "redneck" any different than calling someone a "jerk". And you call me a hypocrite.

[consumerman]

Google "Napoleon The 14th". I am not going to spoon feed you.


Please re-read this thread. Your same sick view of life was displayed in speaking of a young man's family. Start specifically at post #6. After you see where you attacked the young man, skip to post #29 and see how the "sheriff" before he was moderator responded to you. If you reread the entire post, you will see why I consider you mental unbalanced (not speaking for others - but will entertain an AMEN from the choir). It is from 2006, but I did not know your button was reset each January 1st.
http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127153&highlight=tre+newton

How is calling someone a "redneck" any different than calling someone a "jerk". And you call me a hypocrite.



and am still waiting for your response on why you IGNORE blatant things from fellow rednecks on calling people thugs

just like Dad you will act like you never see that question and continue to harp on something from 6 months ago

HYPOCRITE

[consumerman]

It is from 2006


as we BOTH know, you accuse me of CONTINUING to bash Tre Newton

I challenge you to prove I have bashed him in 2007

you failed (again) miserably and go back on something well before 2007

I knew you were wrong to say I CONTINUALLY bash a 16-17 year old
I challenged you on it, you FAILED

This proves that you are hung up on me and read what you think you see, instead of WHAT IS ACTUALLY THERE

now go jump on your fellow rednecks for using terms and sentences refering to an upcoming opponent as THUGS and SIMILAR

or forever hold your peace

[Bordertown]

and am still waiting for your response on why you IGNORE blatant things from fellow rednecks on calling people thugs

just like Dad you will act like you never see that question and continue to harp on something from 6 months ago

HYPOCRITE

First I am reacting to something you said yesterday, not six months ago.

Second I do not condone calling high school athletes thugs. I know nothing about NW, so I am not expressing an opinion. My high school team was referred to as "thugs" at the 2006 Herbie. I asked for examples to support the statement. No one could provide an example. Call him out to give an example. I suppose he will produce a video as evidence.

Third I see culling out an individual to disparge as a greater offense. Let me give you an example. I could state - "All Catholic brothers are child molesters" or I could say the "Principal at DLS is a child molester". Which causes more damage.

All I ask is you think before you type.

[consumerman]

lol

all i ask is you QUIT focusing on me and look at EVERYONE's posts

I noticed you have said NOTHING about the median price household incomes

where is your proverbial WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL?

once again, it came from someone else and even though it has NOTHING at all to do with anything, you don't even respond, if I had said it it would have been THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A GAME OF 16-17 YEAR OLDS NEXT SEPTEMBER

I stand by my denial of your criticism that I CONTINUALLY BASH 16-17 year olds

[consumerman]

First I am reacting to something you said yesterday, not six months ago.


show me where I bashed Tre Newton

(bashing NAte Newton is not the same as bashing Tre Newton)

[Bordertown]

lol
I noticed you have said NOTHING about the median price household incomes

where is your proverbial WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL?


In the context of the thread and the contrasting the two schools, it is relevant in my opinion. The two teams come from very different socio-economic backgrounds. It is in my opinion part of the story.

Now how does Nate Newton fit in the game day story other than being Tre's father?

[consumerman]

In the context of the thread and the contrasting the two schools, it is relevant in my opinion. The two teams come from very different socio-economic backgrounds. It is in my opinion part of the story.

Now how does Nate Newton fit in the game day story other than being Tre's father?

that says it all

can you please educate us on the chamber of commerce and weather next

beyond laughable

[pied]

First I am reacting to something you said yesterday, not six months ago.


show me where I bashed Tre Newton

(bashing NAte Newton is not the same as bashing Tre Newton)

I'd say right here:

oh nate newton's son plays for slc, wow a cocaine/marijuana addict like his father no doubt

[consumerman]

I'd say right here:

and which month of 2007 was that posted?

january?
february?
march?
april?

answer pied

[consumerman]

I'd say right here:

again READ THE ENTIRE THREAD

he says I bashed Tre Newtin YESTERDAY

is your response a post from YESTERDAY??????????????????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


see post 121 mr knowitall

[consumerman]

ps borderboy

still waiting for you to proactively jump on your fellow redneck who called a high school team THUGS

or does your hall monitor mentality only come to the surface when reading posts from californians

[Bordertown]

Consumerman,

#1 - I guess you did not read my post about "Thugs" - Post 122
#2 - You are attempting to limit this issue to 2007, not me. The young man does not deserve your disparaging remarks. Attack me all you want, but lay off high school athletes.

You owe young Tre Newton an apology. Even Imus figured that much out.

[consumerman]

Consumerman,

#1 - I guess you did not read my post about "Thugs" - Post 122
#2 - You are attempting to limit this issue to 2007, not me. The young man does not deserve your disparaging remarks. Attack me all you want, but lay off high school athletes.

You owe young Tre Newton an apology. Even Imus figured that much out.

I would say the accusation CONTINUOUSLY would mean up to the present

Take the word out CONTINUOUSLy

OR PROVE I HAVE DISPARAGED Tre Newton in 2007

you lose either way

this is (always) so easy

[consumerman]

saying "I dont condone"

is NOT the same as staring a post with:

PATHETIC

then rambling on and on about ancient history

you should call out your redneck friend and ask him to apologize for calling some high schools boys THUGS

AGAIN accusing me of CONTINUOUSLY GETTING on Tre Newton WITH NO PROOF, I have given you enough chances and you have yet to do anything except say , IN 2006 ......

ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG TO SAY I CONTINUOUSLY DISPARAGE TRE NEWTON

1)ADMIT IT
2)PROVE OTHERWISE
OR 3) SHOW ME A DICTIONARY THAT SAYS THE MEANING OF CONTINUOUSLY STOPS 4 and 5 MONTHS AGO

[consumerman]

HERE IS YOUR ACCUSATION

: All I have seen is one person who continues to attack young high school men for a mistake of a family member. :



SHOW ME HOW I CONTINUE TO ATTACK TRE NEWTON

SHOW ME

2007

CONTINUES TO ATTACK

SHOW ME

OR ADMIT YOU WERE BLATANTLY WRONG


______________________________\

my response is the same as always, I have NOT attacked or disparaged Tre Newton in 2007. That my friend destroys your attempt to say "CONTINUES TO ATTACK".

I also dont htink Nate Newton is a 16-17 year old and you can be an apologist all you want about him (Dallas fans have ALWAYS been apologists), I will call him out for his criminal history, that does not reference Tre Newton UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY HAVE DONE SO

SHow me in 2007 where I CONTINUE to attack Tre Newton
SHOW ME

STUBBORN AS A TEXAS MULE

[Bordertown]

Pathetic also seems to be an apt definition for those who praise the lineage of Tre Newton then run for cover when his father and his history of criminality is brought up. You can't take the lineage without the criminality, maybe those who praised his linage would have been wiser to leave hom out



4-9-07 1:15pm

Was absolutely no reason to bring up the young man's name in the conversation. When combined with the two examples posted previously - there is a continuous attack on the young man. I don't care if you like Nate Newton. That is your sick perogative. Leave his kid out of it please.

[consumerman]

4-9-07 1:15pm

Was absolutely no reason to bring up the young man's name in the conversation. When combined with the two examples posted previously - there is a continuous attack on the young man. I don't care if you like Nate Newton. That is your sick perogative. Leave his kid out of it please.

and how was Tre Newton disparaged?????????????????????????????????


umm

duhh

It is NATE NEWTON that is being vilified

CAN YOU READ?

[consumerman]

I guess to you saying he is the son of Nate Newton is disparaging

there is nothing else there

[Bordertown]

Why was the son's name mentioned?

[consumerman]

Why was the son's name mentioned?

so that is your answer to my question where was Tre N. Disparaged??

that is the best you can do?

avoid the question (AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)?

[consumerman]

you have been asked to PROVE I have disparaged Tre Newton CONTINUOUSLY


you have not given a shred of proof

[SLCDad]

I'd say right here:Pied, I'm not reading Consumerman's posts any more. He is marked as "ignore" in my Yappi settings. Smart move on my part. (Hopefully, he is not reading my posts either, like he said, because I have no desire to post with a guy like that.)

Based on the responses I'm seeing from you and Bordertown it appears Consumerman is still up to his ongoing nasty-ness. He rarely added any original thoughts of his own, but just criticized other posters. I don't remember the last time he posted anything original on his own.

I know Tre Newton is a very fine young man. Even the radio comentators have commented on that. Tre is a descent student and he is very respectful of teachers and coaches. My daughter knows him a little bit and she says he is a nice guy. He is a credit to his parents. It was uncalled for when Consumerman called him a drug "addict like is father" (to quote Consumerman). That was especially nasty. I've been a Tre Newton fan since he was in 9th grade for both his on field and off field actions.

I also know that his dad, Nate, has been trying to get past the huge mistakes he made in the past. For many years Nate has been trying to be a good person and correct the mistakes he made. I'm not a Nate Newton fan (he WAS a terrific football player) but I have to give him credit for doing his best to turn his life around. It's unfortunate that some people who know very little about him still feel the need to criticize him. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves.

I don't know Tre Newton's mom personally, but I have seen her at football games. She appears to be a very nice person. She is tall and thin and looks to be athletic. Tre seems to have very good athletic genes.

[Plaindriver]

I think St Bonaventure in CA will make some lists. Just got a huge transfer RB in.

SLC/Northwestern should be there. Lakeland loses too much. DLS is supposed to have a lot of young talent returning. They have to be uber-pissed after getting owned by CC. You have to think Land and co. will have them humming.

Don't know what Trinity brings back next year.

Hi Pied, Dont look for Bonnie to be on the Nat'l level. Theyre a good local team, but not even considered a top 5 elite in SoCal, let alone the USA. They have always played in a 'small pond' (lower division), and this yr, they move up to the 2nd highest classification. IMHO

[consumerman]

I have no desire to post with a guy like that
For someone who has no desire to get invlolved with me (I can understand why as I challenge him on all his foolishness), he sure went out of his way to post 5 criticisms of me, but not directly, the sign of a TRUE coward

appears Consumerman is still up to his ongoing nasty-ness
Challenging someone on unproven facts and stupid posts does not equal ongoing nastiness (not nasty-ness, lol), just don't let dumb debates go unchallenged, SLC Dad is the main culprit

He rarely added any original thoughts of his own
I guess I could make SEVEN separate posts on SLC-MNW, including many that directly insult and criticize both the players and the community of MNW. I guess seven similar threads is this kook's idea of SOMETHING ORIGINAL. AND this is after he spent 6 months telling us preseason rankings and preseason games are meaningless. Talk about contradictory and hypocritical!

just criticized other posters.
Sorry Dad, you have more mistakes than any poster on any board I have ever seen, including facts, debates, logic and common sense. You may think it is criticizing, I think it is correcting, especially for those that are uninformed and would otherwise fall for your garbage.

I don't remember the last time he posted anything original on his own.
I don't remember the last time (ACTUALLY EVER) that Dad posted something worthwhile. Just a poor old guy living in a fantasy world, trying to make himself feel better by constantly propping up SLC< a team he has NOTHING to do with, he is so insecure he even has to tell everybody the median income of this little city. WHO CARES? except people with poor egos and low self-esteem. Heck, even the noderator told him off about how useless his posts are. Doesnt get any better than that.

Thanks Dad for the 5 criticisms, even though you are ignoring me, you still feel a need to antagonize. Guess what? You look like a bigger fool than ever!

[consumerman]

SLCDAD: "I'm calling the stadium to have metal detectors installed on the MNW side"

blatant and racist

this guy is worse than IMUS

[consumerman]

From the MODERATOR to SLC Dad

"That means exactly what?

The answer you are looking for is nothing.

Maybe one of these days you will learn that high school football is all about the players, the students, and their fans. It is apparent that all it means to you is rankings. And now you are even crowing about pre-season rankings. Its a bit much.
"


AMEN x 1 MILLION

Take a hint from the moderator Dad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[consumerman]

BTW, here is some of the FLAWED data dad uses: 1/2 the best strength of schedule teams are from Texas

LMAO

QUOTE:

According to the MaxPreps/CalPreps national strength of schedule ratings, the national top 25 is dominated by teams from Ohio and Texas.

1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH)
2 Carroll (Southlake, TX)
3 Plano (TX)
4 Plano East (Plano, TX)
5 Lee (Midland, TX)
6 Lee (Tyler, TX)
7 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH)
8 MacArthur (Irving, TX)
9 Washington (Massillon, OH)
10 Fossil Ridge (Keller, TX)
11 Elder (Cincinnati, OH)
11 Benedictine (Cleveland, OH)
13 Garland (TX)
14 Allen (TX)
15 The Colony (TX)
15 Judson (Converse, TX)
17 St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH)
18 McKeesport (PA)
19 Hopkins (Minnetonka, MN)
19 Bishop McDevitt (Harrisburg, PA)
19 Hoover (AL)
22 Vestavia Hills (AL)
22 Shaler Area (Pittsburgh, PA)
24 Hart (Newhall, CA)
24 Trinity (Euless, TX)
24 Montgomery Bell Academy (Nashville, TN)

[naughty]

Carroll will be tested big time. More then they ever have, by according to some of your texas fans a group of "outlaw thugs from the northwestern section of miami." :Ohno: pathetic. How about we focus on the game and the topic of this thread. For anyone seeing a blowout. Wake up and :welcome: to real life. this is not Slc Vs. Eca(who was no where near past eca elite level teams). This is Slc vs Northwestern(that stacked team from miami). A team that plays that rough beat you down miami dade reg. season. And a team that brings 22,000 to a game easily. It will be a good one cant wait.

[SLCDad]

Carroll will be tested big time. More then they ever have, by according to some of your texas fans a group of "outlaw thugs from the northwestern section of miami." :Ohno: pathetic. How about we focus on the game and the topic of this thread. For anyone seeing a blowout. Wake up and :welcome: to real life. this is not Slc Vs. Eca(who was no where near past eca elite level teams). This is Slc vs Northwestern(that stacked team from miami). A team that plays that rough beat you down miami dade reg. season. And a team that brings 22,000 to a game easily. It will be a good one cant wait.I agree with you. I can't wait. I'll be there wearing green.

How many fans do you think will travel with MNW to Texas?

[Chicago]

And how many will choose to go back to Miami?

[Bordertown]

And a team that brings 22,000 to a game easily. It will be a good one cant wait.

What is their home stadium? They play in the Orange Bowl?

[Bordertown]

And a team that brings 22,000 to a game easily. It will be a good one cant wait.

What is their home stadium? Do they play in the Orange Bowl? That sounds like an inflated attendence figure considering U of Miami only had 36,000 when they played Houston and 40,000 for the Florida A&M game.

Was the 22,000 for the State Championship Game?

[pied]

Carroll will be tested big time. More then they ever have, by according to some of your texas fans a group of "outlaw thugs from the northwestern section of miami." :Ohno: pathetic. How about we focus on the game and the topic of this thread. For anyone seeing a blowout. Wake up and :welcome: to real life. this is not Slc Vs. Eca(who was no where near past eca elite level teams). This is Slc vs Northwestern(that stacked team from miami). A team that plays that rough beat you down miami dade reg. season. And a team that brings 22,000 to a game easily. It will be a good one cant wait.


Do you mind if I call BS on the 22,000 easily comment?

Hard to believe for me, since the state record was set this past year at 24,368.

http://www.floridafb.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=60453&SPID=6302&DB_OEM_ID=11200&ATCLID=717925

[Chicago]

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/youthfootball/highschoolfootball/gameoftheweek.asp

Northwestern vs. Central
October 28, 2006
This week's Game of the Week featured two of Dade County's top teams and two huge district rivals, Northwestern and Central. Both teams came in undefeated and looking to clinch the district title with a victory. They were also looking for neighborhood bragging rights. Former Dolphins Bobby Harden and current Dolphins and former Northwestern Bull Vernon Carey were both on hand to witness the clash. Due to the magnitude of the game, it was moved from Traz Powell Stadium to the Orange Bowl to accommodate the more than 19,000 fans who attended.

Interesting (especially since this one was, in fact, played at the Orange Bowl).

On the other hand, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule, and it still didn't get to 22,000.

[Bordertown]

Would it be fair to assume Central brought at least 40% of the crowd (8000)? 19,000 at a regular season game is stout.

[naughty]

What is their home stadium? They play in the Orange Bowl?

All will go back to miami where people are normal and dont bash a high school football team from being from miami. And they play At Traz Powell Stadium. Along with i think Mimai Central High School. Get ready they always travel well. So 7-11 thousand would not be any where out of reach.

[SLCDad]

All will go back to miami where people are normal and dont bash a high school football team from being from miami. And they play At Traz Powell Stadium. Along with i think Mimai Central High School. Get ready they always travel well. So 7-11 thousand would not be any where out of reach.

I will be VERY impressed if 7-11 thousand MNW fans travel all the way to Texas for a high school football game. I'm skeptical it will happen so I guess we will have to wait and see. Traveling around Florida is one thing. Coming all the way to Texas is something else.

[pied]

All will go back to miami where people are normal and dont bash a high school football team from being from miami. And they play At Traz Powell Stadium. Along with i think Mimai Central High School. Get ready they always travel well. So 7-11 thousand would not be any where out of reach.


Like every state I think people "bash" other teams from other parts oif their own state. For instance I give you this from a FL poster regarding NW. If you would like me to post more I certainly can.


To anyone that saw "Year of the Bull" The halftime show will be VERY similar "why ain't dat defenn workin' mo'f$%&*r" slap slap slap "why ain't dat defenn workin'" slap slap slap... the adjustments will be as follows... " you betta' make dat defense work mo' f$#%^&R"

This game will embarass the entire state of Florida... Lakeland could play with them but Miami Northwestern will be greatly outclassed in EVERY sense of the word...


If NW brings over 1K I would be shocked.

[Bordertown]

Well Dragon Stadium will not work. Could I suggest Mesquite Memorial (20,000) or Fouts Field at North Texas (30,500)

[Chicago]

I am waiting for a few posts from now where Naughty says:

All nine will be there -- you better believe it.

Although he won't write it exactly like that.

[pied]

Well Dragon Stadium will not work. Could I suggest Mesquite Memorial (20,000) or Fouts Field at North Texas (30,500)

Fouts Field is one of the worst stadiums to watch a game at I have ever seen.

I heard Ford Field at SMU, but nothing official. I think the game draws 20K max. It is early in the season, when everyone's teams are playing. You have college games going on all over the place.

There will be build up, but unless you are a die hard HS fan, and there are really not as many as us idiots think there are, you will not know alot about it.

[SLCDad]

Fouts Field is one of the worst stadiums to watch a game at I have ever seen.

I heard Ford Field at SMU, but nothing official. I think the game draws 20K max. It is early in the season, when everyone's teams are playing. You have college games going on all over the place.

There will be build up, but unless you are a die hard HS fan, and there are really not as many as us idiots think there are, you will not know alot about it.I agree.

I'm guessing MNW will bring 500-1000 fans (which isn't a slam on MNW).

The entire population of Southlake is around 25,000 with about 8,000 attending home football games. (The SLC attendance zone is a bit larger than the City of Southlake so you can add a few thousand to the population.)

The rest of the fans will be non-SLC/non-MNW homers and will come to watch a good game.

I'm guessing the game will be at Ford Field or Dragon Stadium and will draw 18,000 at Ford Field or 10,000-11,000 at Dragon Stadium.

As much as I'd like to see the game played at Dragon Stadium, I'm not thrilled about getting to the stadium 3 hours early just to get a seat.

[Bordertown]

All will go back to miami where people are normal and dont bash a high school football team from being from miami. And they play At Traz Powell Stadium. Along with i think Mimai Central High School. Get ready they always travel well. So 7-11 thousand would not be any where out of reach.

After seeing that 67% of the students are on free or reduced lunches, I doubt that more than 250 will make the trip including the school administrators.

[naughty]

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/youthfootball/highschoolfootball/gameoftheweek.asp

Northwestern vs. Central
October 28, 2006
This week's Game of the Week featured two of Dade County's top teams and two huge district rivals, Northwestern and Central. Both teams came in undefeated and looking to clinch the district title with a victory. They were also looking for neighborhood bragging rights. Former Dolphins Bobby Harden and current Dolphins and former Northwestern Bull Vernon Carey were both on hand to witness the clash. Due to the magnitude of the game, it was moved from Traz Powell Stadium to the Orange Bowl to accommodate the more than 19,000 fans who attended.

Interesting (especially since this one was, in fact, played at the Orange Bowl).

On the other hand, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule, and it still didn't get to 22,000.


I said they could easily get 22,000 a game. I will tell you right now that they get more then 8,000 for a home game so that is nothing. No it is not fair to assume that Central brought 40% of fans becasue they didnt. And yea the state record was set and it was more 24,000 it was like about 26-27 ask any one who was there. And about 23,000 of those fans were northwestern. they travel welll very well. And the big games bring out even more bulls fans.

[naughty]

After seeing that 67% of the students are on free or reduced lunches, I doubt that more than 250 will make the trip including the school administrators.

hahahahah. Funny Lakeland took about a decent number up to ohio and we dont have near the fan base that northwestern has. So your in or a surprise. And an even bigger surprise when. Chicago and slcdad's beloved dragons go down hard. of yea and chicago. Go ahead bring your ed comment. I know its coming since you have nothing else better to do with your time. Anyway i out i got to stuff to do.

[pied]

I said they could easily get 22,000 a game. I will tell you right now that they get more then 8,000 for a home game so that is nothing. No it is not fair to assume that Central brought 40% of fans becasue they didnt. And yea the state record was set and it was more 24,000 it was like about 26-27 ask any one who was there. And about 23,000 of those fans were northwestern. they travel welll very well. And the big games bring out even more bulls fans.

How about we ask the USAToday?

The contest set a Florida single-game attendance record at 24,368.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/preprally/2006/12/miami_northwest.html

[concha]

I doubt MNW will have the talent that Lakeland brought to the Herbie last year (8 or so kids to Florida alone?). And let's face it, Lakeland played a team that graduated zero D1 recruits (though 3 or 4 juniors might make it) and the game could have gone either way. And X was just the 3rd best team (at most) in Ohio D1 last year.

So MNW:

- To play in Texas
- To play against an almost definitely better coached team
- To play against what I'd bet is a more disciplined team also
- Will probably play with less talent overall than Lakeland had
- Will face a team that probably has more talent than X had last year

Smart money is on SLC.

[Bordertown]

Lakeland is a more affluent school - 43% of students on Free or reduced lunch program. They should be able to afford to travel better than Northwest. Doesn't take much to figure out you have to have money to afford a 1400 mile road trip.

By the way - Southlake Carroll has1% eligible for free lunches.

[pied]

I doubt MNW will have the talent that Lakeland brought to the Herbie last year (8 or so kids to Florida alone?). And let's face it, Lakeland played a team that graduated zero D1 recruits (though 3 or 4 juniors might make it) and the game could have gone either way. And X was just the 3rd best team (at most) in Ohio D1 last year.

So MNW:

- To play in Texas
- To play against an almost definitely better coached team
- To play against what I'd bet is a more disciplined team also
- Will probably play with less talent overall than Lakeland had
- Will face a team that probably has more talent than X had last year

Smart money is on SLC.


This MNW team is loaded, especially at the top end. They have three guys that will probably be National top 100 guys. That does not include their QB, who should be top 10-15 at that position, nor the transfer OL who is supposed to be great.

I have watched much of the FL title game. They are not the undiciplined group of thugs many seem to expect. If you did not know the reputation, or story, you would not suspect it watching the game. No excessive showboating/late hits etc.

As far as the game, I think SLC's defense will be suspect and I think this will be the most athletic offensive team they will have faced. Their DB's will not match up well at all with the receivers, and Jacory Harris the NW QB should be able to get it to them.

SLC's offense will probably be the greatest offense in Texas history and will score points.

Talking about smart money, If I am picking a winner today I'll take NW. There is a guy on another board who is giving me SLC and 21 points for $100. I am quickly trying to make that happen....

[concha]

pied,

Say hello to Benjamin for me when he arrives.

[SLCDad]

hahahahah. Funny Lakeland took about a decent number up to ohio and we dont have near the fan base that northwestern has. So your in or a surprise. And an even bigger surprise when. Chicago and slcdad's beloved dragons go down hard. of yea and chicago. Go ahead bring your ed comment. I know its coming since you have nothing else better to do with your time. Anyway i out i got to stuff to do.

Don't insult Chicago. I believe he is a DLS fan. I'm the only SLC homer here.


(Note to Naughty: A writing class would be helpful.)

[SLCDad]

Lakeland is a more affluent school - 43% of students on Free or reduced lunch program. They should be able to afford to travel better than Northwest. Doesn't take much to figure out you have to have money to afford a 1400 mile road trip.

By the way - Southlake Carroll has1% eligible for free lunches.

Are you saying the SLC players will be hungry since they have to pay for their lunch?

[Chicago]

All 17,209 fans who were there will tell you it was 26,000 or 27,000.

[Chicago]

I have things to do, too.

But English class isn't one of them.

So right now I have some free time.

[Bordertown]

Are you saying the SLC players will be hungry since they have to pay for their lunch?

No, what I am saying they are not eating cafeteria food. I assume they are being catered by Olive Garden.

[Bearcat513]

If my team eating olive garden before every game makes me win many national championships like SLC, then i will personally pay for my teams meals;)

[SLCDad]

By the way - Southlake Carroll has 1% eligible for free lunches.Ahem . . . my kids are that 1%. :D :D

[Bordertown]

If my team eating olive garden before every game makes me win many national championships like SLC, then i will personally pay for my teams meals;)

Actually, I think they alternate with Outback to get the protein. Apparently SLCDad's kids eat powdered mashed potatoes, wilted salad, pressed turkey parts loaf, and skim milk.

[naughty]

Don't insult Chicago. I believe he is a DLS fan. I'm the only SLC homer here.


(Note to Naughty: A writing class would be helpful.)

Note to all texas fans: Not getting your --- kicked by Miami Northwestern Next year, might be helpful. you know you cant win a national title with a blowout on your home ground. Your right english is not one of them. You know that Ap Lit class is just to freakin hard.:wallbang:

[naughty]

Florida big schools. No losses in outta state games next year.

Northwestern Over Southlake carroll.
Dr.Phillps Over Byrnes.
Booker t. Washington over Summerville.

3-0

We just might have teams at #1,#2 next year at the same time. :eek: :eek: :eek: :Party:

[RidgePride]

This MNW team is loaded, especially at the top end. They have three guys that will probably be National top 100 guys. That does not include their QB, who should be top 10-15 at that position, nor the transfer OL who is supposed to be great.

As far as the game, I think SLC's defense will be suspect and I think this will be the most athletic offensive team they will have faced. Their DB's will not match up well at all with the receivers, and Jacory Harris the NW QB should be able to get it to them.

SLC's offense will probably be the greatest offense in Texas history and will score points.

Talking about smart money, If I am picking a winner today I'll take NW. There is a guy on another board who is giving me SLC and 21 points for $100. I am quickly trying to make that happen....

Most Ridiculous post of the Day.


SLC's offense will not be best in TX history. They do not have the receiving corp they had in 2005. It was basically the Blake Cantu show last year and the other leading receiver was a senior.

Second

Because SLC's defense is unproven does not mean it will be suspect. I would bet they will be pretty darn good.

Third, SLC is not 78-1 in 5A from having the most talent in TX the past 4 years...Playing teams with more D1 athletes is nothing new to them.

SLC will roll in this game.

[RidgePride]

I doubt MNW will have the talent that Lakeland brought to the Herbie last year (8 or so kids to Florida alone?). And let's face it, Lakeland played a team that graduated zero D1 recruits (though 3 or 4 juniors might make it) and the game could have gone either way. And X was just the 3rd best team (at most) in Ohio D1 last year.

So MNW:

- To play in Texas
- To play against an almost definitely better coached team
- To play against what I'd bet is a more disciplined team also
- Will probably play with less talent overall than Lakeland had
- Will face a team that probably has more talent than X had last year

Smart money is on SLC.

How can you down play MNW's talent. I would bet they are more talented than Lakeland of last year or at least equal. I believe they have like 8 guys commited to Miami.
I do think that Lakeland has better coaching than MNW however.
I would have a lot of respect in Florida ball if MNW came to TX and beat SLC. I think it is highly unlikely though.

We did have a TX first round flame out travel to FL and beat their team that went to the semi-finals so it would just be payback.

[Chicago]

After watching Lakeland, I figured they had better coaching than maybe one team in the country.

I just didn't know who that one team was.

[RidgePride]

After watching Lakeland, I figured they had better coaching than maybe one team in the country.

I just didn't know who that one team was.

Miami Northwest.

[concha]

Ridge,

You may be correct. I have been aware that MNW has some very high-profile kids. But I was not aware that that they could stack up numbers of BCS-level recruits with Lakeland '06. I am not sure where Lakeland actually finished, but I believe they were supposed to have double-digits in terms of BCS/D1A-type recruits (I know of at least 9, but that's from awhile ago).

[pied]

Most Ridiculous post of the Day.


SLC's offense will not be best in TX history. They do not have the receiving corp they had in 2005. It was basically the Blake Cantu show last year and the other leading receiver was a senior.

Second

Because SLC's defense is unproven does not mean it will be suspect. I would bet they will be pretty darn good.

Third, SLC is not 78-1 in 5A from having the most talent in TX the past 4 years...Playing teams with more D1 athletes is nothing new to them.

SLC will roll in this game.

RidgePride-You seem to have an issue with whatever I say. I am not certain I understand, but I'm game.

Do you mind if I take your arguement about the defense I bolded up top?

You state the receiving corps will not be as good as they were in '05.

Just because they return 75% of their recieving yards and nearly 80% of their recieving TD's doesn't mean they are suspect.

Just for those playing along at home, this offense which averaged over 500 ypg and scored more than SIX TD's a game on average and was held to less than 30 points once in 16 games, and less than 40 only five times last year is lonsing ONE OL and ONE WR and that's it.

I like to think I call them like I see them, and I see the QB, the RB, 3/4 WRs, and 4/5 OLs will be better than last year.

Do they have to rebiuld the OL? Nope
What about the Running game? In tact with two 1000+ yard rushers coming back?
What about the WR's? You seem to think they will be the weak point. I'd like to see a team that has returns over:
210+ receptions
3300+ yards
40+ TD's

That should be pretty easy apparenlty.



The defense. Find me a team that SLC has played that is the returning champion in their state's biggest classification, that has three National top 100 players, and in addition a top 10 QB in the Nation, and and OL that will rank in the top 15 in the Nation as well.

I cannot think of any.

I know SLC fans like to point to their improved defense. I think the '06 version was much improved, but also was somewhat of a paper tiger. The teams that helped them acheive some of those stats were not offensive juggernauts, especially on the ground.

Call me crazy, but I don't like the NW offense SLC defense matchup. They lose many starters, and by every account I have read, some of the biggest leaders on the team.

Combine that with having just announced a DC last week, and forgive me if I take NW in that matchup.

One final question, what is your problem with me? I don't quite get it.

[pied]

We did have a TX first round flame out travel to FL and beat their team that went to the semi-finals so it would just be payback.

Jsut to clarify, that first round flame out was ranked #4 in the state at the end of the season going into the playoffs. Lamar was hardly the patsy you want people to believe they were. In fact they beat Duncanville in the last game of the season to win the District title, and Duncanville won the state championship that year. I know it does not help your arguement, but the truth is the truth.

You may also want to rechck your info regarding when Rutherford lost in the playoffs that year. (Hint it was not the semifinals)

To the other posters, RP knows both of these things, but again, it does not seem to help the arguement.

[pied]

Most Ridiculous post of the Day.

SLC will roll in this game.

Proposal.

Since you are so confident that SLC will "roll".

You give me NW and 28 points. We could probably trust SLCDad if he is willing.

We both send him $100, that he holds. After the game if SLC wins by 28+, you get the $$$, if not he sends the $$$ to me.

Deal? Let me know.

[Chicago]

I'll take the $200 if it's a push.

[pied]

I'll take the $200 if it's a push.

Good point, I'll change it to 27.5.

RidegePride?

[Cincy guy]

Pied, I'm not reading Consumerman's posts any more. He is marked as "ignore" in my Yappi settings. Smart move on my part. (Hopefully, he is not reading my posts either, like he said, because I have no desire to post with a guy like that.)

Based on the responses I'm seeing from you and Bordertown it appears Consumerman is still up to his ongoing nasty-ness. He rarely added any original thoughts of his own, but just criticized other posters. I don't remember the last time he posted anything original on his own.

I know Tre Newton is a very fine young man. Even the radio comentators have commented on that. Tre is a descent student and he is very respectful of teachers and coaches. My daughter knows him a little bit and she says he is a nice guy. He is a credit to his parents. It was uncalled for when Consumerman called him a drug "addict like is father" (to quote Consumerman). That was especially nasty. I've been a Tre Newton fan since he was in 9th grade for both his on field and off field actions.

I also know that his dad, Nate, has been trying to get past the huge mistakes he made in the past. For many years Nate has been trying to be a good person and correct the mistakes he made. I'm not a Nate Newton fan (he WAS a terrific football player) but I have to give him credit for doing his best to turn his life around. It's unfortunate that some people who know very little about him still feel the need to criticize him. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves.

I don't know Tre Newton's mom personally, but I have seen her at football games. She appears to be a very nice person. She is tall and thin and looks to be athletic. Tre seems to have very good athletic genes.

Nice post SLCDAD no one has the right to judge someone on there past mistakes , but God. If Mr. Newton has put his past behind then people need to bury his past mistakes. Thanks for sharing positive things with us about the Newton Family SLCDad.

[SLCDad]

RidgePride-You seem to have an issue with whatever I say. I am not certain I understand, but I'm game.

Do you mind if I take your arguement about the defense I bolded up top?

You state the receiving corps will not be as good as they were in '05.

Just because they return 75% of their recieving yards and nearly 80% of their recieving TD's doesn't mean they are suspect.

Just for those playing along at home, this offense which averaged over 500 ypg and scored more than SIX TD's a game on average and was held to less than 30 points once in 16 games, and less than 40 only five times last year is lonsing ONE OL and ONE WR and that's it.

I like to think I call them like I see them, and I see the QB, the RB, 3/4 WRs, and 4/5 OLs will be better than last year.

Do they have to rebiuld the OL? Nope
What about the Running game? In tact with two 1000+ yard rushers coming back?
What about the WR's? You seem to think they will be the weak point. I'd like to see a team that has returns over:
210+ receptions
3300+ yards
40+ TD's

That should be pretty easy apparenlty.



The defense. Find me a team that SLC has played that is the returning champion in their state's biggest classification, that has three National top 100 players, and in addition a top 10 QB in the Nation, and and OL that will rank in the top 15 in the Nation as well.

I cannot think of any.

I know SLC fans like to point to their improved defense. I think the '06 version was much improved, but also was somewhat of a paper tiger. The teams that helped them acheive some of those stats were not offensive juggernauts, especially on the ground.

Call me crazy, but I don't like the NW offense SLC defense matchup. They lose many starters, and by every account I have read, some of the biggest leaders on the team.

Combine that with having just announced a DC last week, and forgive me if I take NW in that matchup.

One final question, what is your problem with me? I don't quite get it.

Pied, a couple of points:

You said SLC's defense will be "suspect." I understand what you are saying but I think you chose the wrong word. We all have a question about SLC's 2007 defense but we really don't know that they will be "suspect." With the talent that MNW has, they could make good defenses look bad. SLC has a terrific feeder system. They have lots of defensive underclassmen that are experienced. The subs got lots of experience and some of the best "reserves" were on the JV. SLC rebuilt most of their defense in 2006 (and all of their offense except Tre) with very good results. I expect the same for the defense in 2007, but I, like you, think it's a question mark.

Regarding SLC's returning starters it's a little confusing. SLC had 12 guys that started during the season. (Chris Brainard began starting mid season or so). Out of those 12 guys, 9 are returning. SLC loses two offensive lineman (I think it's both guys on the right side) and a WR.

[SLCDad]

Proposal.

Since you are so confident that SLC will "roll".

You give me NW and 28 points. We could probably trust SLCDad if he is willing.

We both send him $100, that he holds. After the game if SLC wins by 28+, you get the $$$, if not he sends the $$$ to me.

Deal? Let me know.

What makes you think you can trust me? :D :D

If Ridge takes the bet, I'll hold the money.

[SLCDad]

Third, SLC is not 78-1 in 5A from having the most talent in TX the past 4 years...Playing teams with more D1 athletes is nothing new to them.

FALSE!!!!! :D :D

It's 79-1 over 5 years, not 78-1 over 4.

[RidgePride]

Proposal.

Since you are so confident that SLC will "roll".

You give me NW and 28 points. We could probably trust SLCDad if he is willing.

We both send him $100, that he holds. After the game if SLC wins by 28+, you get the $$$, if not he sends the $$$ to me.

Deal? Let me know.

That's a stupid proposal.

I would not wager my money on a high school game that has so many unpredictable elements.
If SLC were to lose, I would already be pissed so losing money would add injury to insult.

How about a ban from posting bet? 1 week for every point your team loses by.
If MNW wins I hope it makes you happy...
I can assure you that if SLC wins, I would not want to hear from a traitor for quite awhile.

[RidgePride]

Jsut to clarify, that first round flame out was ranked #4 in the state at the end of the season going into the playoffs. Lamar was hardly the patsy you want people to believe they were. In fact they beat Duncanville in the last game of the season to win the District title, and Duncanville won the state championship that year. I know it does not help your arguement, but the truth is the truth.

You may also want to rechck your info regarding when Rutherford lost in the playoffs that year. (Hint it was not the semifinals)

To the other posters, RP knows both of these things, but again, it does not seem to help the arguement.


Thanks for your clarification MR. PROTECTOR OF ALL THINGS TRUE

Did consumerchild get banned yet?

[RidgePride]

What makes you think you can trust me? :D :D

If Ridge takes the bet, I'll hold the money.

We probably do not live far from each other. I live 5 minutes from SLC High School right off of Southlake Carroll Blvd...In a fairly large house I may add.

[pied]

That's a stupid proposal.

I would not wager my money on a high school game that has so many unpredictable elements.
If SLC were to lose, I would already be pissed so losing money would add injury to insult.

How about a ban from posting bet? 1 week for every point your team loses by.
If MNW wins I hope it makes you happy...
I can assure you that if SLC wins, I would not want to hear from a traitor for quite awhile.

OK, so I am clear, it is OK to spew all over the place that you are confident that SLC will "roll" MNW that's allright.

When asked to back those claims up with something tangible, it is stupid.

I wouldn't call it stupid, I'd call it weak, but whatever.

You give me 27.5 points and MNW. If SLC loses or wins by less than 28 you don't post here/TexasHSfootball/5ATexasfootball. If SLC wins by more than 28 I'll folllwo the same instrcustions.

I'd say give it a month. Does that work?



I would also like you to address the "traitor" remark.

If I were petty I could look at the top of the board with instructions about name calling. I am not, but I am confused.

Does it make me a traitor because I think some of the matchups favor MNW?

To be clear, I would love for SLC to win. Not certain if I will be in town that weekend or in Orlando. If I am, I will be there and yelling hard.

To my credit, I have supported TX HS teams in Ohio and Florida.

How about you?

[RidgePride]

OK, so I am clear, it is OK to spew all over the place that you are confident that SLC will "roll" MNW that's allright.

When asked to back those claims up with something tangible, it is stupid.

I wouldn't call it stupid, I'd call it weak, but whatever.

You give me 27.5 points and MNW. If SLC loses or wins by less than 28 you don't post here/TexasHSfootball/5ATexasfootball. If SLC wins by more than 28 I'll folllwo the same instrcustions.

I'd say give it a month. Does that work?



I would also like you to address the "traitor" remark.

If I were petty I could look at the top of the board with instructions about name calling. I am not, but I am confused.

Does it make me a traitor because I think some of the matchups favor MNW?

To be clear, I would love for SLC to win. Not certain if I will be in town that weekend or in Orlando. If I am, I will be there and yelling hard.

To my credit, I have supported TX HS teams in Ohio and Florida.

How about you?

If SLC were to lose, the worst thing is to hear another Texan saying "I told you so."

Take your MNW team and stick with them all year - good for you...Read your PM

[Chicago]

I'm still trying to figure out how to work the size of my house into my posts.

[SLCDad]

I'm still trying to figure out how to work the size of my house into my posts.I don't mean to brag, but my house has two stories and two chimneys. :banana: :banana:

[Chicago]

No fireplaces, though?

Just chimneys, so the neighbors think you have fireplaces?

[SLCDad]

No fireplaces, though?

Just chimneys, so the neighbors think you have fireplaces?What's a fireplace? I don't think we have those in Texas.

[DLSfanNW]

What's a fireplace? I don't think we have those in Texas.
Is your house painted Dragon Green and White?

[naughty]

ok ummmmmm. lakeland has one of the best coaching staffs in the state and country. you dont win two straight national titles, three straight state tites, racking up a state record 60 straight reg season wins, 6 titles in a florida big school class, and on and on and on. you dont get all that by just being average. and if you think so then your ed . and chicago if you think our staff is so bad. how about you come on down here and coach then. what. hahahhahhahahahahahha like we would give up the 2005 national coach officer the year for you or anyone else.

[Chicago]

It's "you're ed."

It's not "your ed."

That's not the best place to make that mistake.

[naughty]

wow. i mad(oops i forgot the e) i meant i made a big mistake. shame on me. dang. YOU'RE such a good teacher. nice come back tho( oh wait) i meant. nice comeback THOUGH

[Chicago]

I'll coach them.

I'll make Pied the offensive coordinator, and Plaindriver the defensive coordinator.

Then we'll put Consumerman in sports information and put SLCDad in charge of cheerleading.

[Chicago]

We'll still need someone to give the players free stuff, though.

Or maybe not. We might be good enough as a coaching staff that we don't have to.

[naughty]

if you coached. lakeland would have it's first losing season in over 30 years. it would make for a good news paper headline. NORTHERN COACH FROM CHICAGO LEADS LAKELAND TO A FIRST EVER 0-10 SEASON.

[Chicago]

You could be the reporter for the paper.

Having an editor would be huge for you.

[naughty]

why do i argue with you. oh i know why because its fun to argue with someone who hates lakeland.

[Plaindriver]

You could be the reporter for the paper.

Having an editor would be huge for you.


Very witty, LAMO.

Just curious, Chicago, are you going to the Herbie this yr?
And do you ever catch JCA playing in Chicago area? My Ca. HS was a 'sorta' little brother school of JCA. A lot of the staff came from JCA, and we would always hear about how JCA was so superior to us, etc. That was back in 65, and our school just started in 59, while JCA probably had Chris Columbus' son in their inaugural graduating class.
pd

[Chicago]

I might go.

Maybe that, maybe SCL/MNW, maybe a DLS game, maybe nothing. But one trip at most.

I've never seen Joliet Catholic play. I do know that a lot of people here think Joliet Catholic/Providence Catholic/St. Rita/Mt. Carmel is the best football you could ever hope to see. I think that probably overstates it a bit (I've seen some of them play on TV, and I saw Mt. Carmel beat Lincoln-Way East by one or two points last year), but I do think they are very good.

[Chicago]

As long as we are (or I am, anyway) talking travel, I will be in Cincy May 18-19 (I feel my fans have a right to know).

[DLSfanNW]

I am planning on flying down to Orange County to see DLS/MV, am also thinking about DLS /Loyola and would love to see SLC/MNW. I hope it is on TV.

Chicago, While you are in Cincinnati be sure to try the Chili.

[naughty]

I am going to the Northwestern vs. Carroll game. Also the Booker t. Washington vs Summerville South carolina game.

[SLCDad]

I am planning on flying down to Orange County to see DLS/MV, am also thinking about DLS /Loyola and would love to see SLC/MNW. I hope it is on TV.

The SLC/MNW game is supposed to be on ESPN. ESPN involvement is one of the reasons the venue hasn't been announced yet. ESPN wants a full stadium and they prefer Dragon Stadium because it is a great place to broadcast a game. However, for the sake of the fans, the game should be moved to a larger stadium. Those details are in negotiation now.

[HORNPRIDE398]

The SLC/MNW game is supposed to be on ESPN. ESPN involvement is one of the reasons the venue hasn't been announced yet. ESPN wants a full stadium and they prefer Dragon Stadium because it is a great place to broadcast a game. However, for the sake of the fans, the game should be moved to a larger stadium. Those details are in negotiation now.

Where are they wanting to move it to?

[Bordertown]

The SLC/MNW game is supposed to be on ESPN. ESPN involvement is one of the reasons the venue hasn't been announced yet. ESPN wants a full stadium and they prefer Dragon Stadium because it is a great place to broadcast a game. However, for the sake of the fans, the game should be moved to a larger stadium. Those details are in negotiation now.

Memorial in Mesquite - 20,000 seat high school stadium.

[Bordertown]

Where are they wanting to move it to?

I think most folks think it should be a Ford Stadium at SMU. Think there might be a game conflict.