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aquabomber08
10-31-06, 08:40 PM
St. Charles claims they have a good team. i quote
¨Goodrich called his current crop of sophomores, led by Sherman and Scott Martin, both of whom were members of a state champion relay team, easily the best in school history. He thinks the 2008 state meet will be the site of even more opportunities at states.
"Our sophomore class, those boys are unreal," he said. "(In 2007) I think we will have as good a shot as we have ever had to make it close with St. X. If they continue to progress, we should be in a position to contend for the team title."
Given that the current juniors on the eight-time defending state champions are the heart of their lineup, St. Xavier would seem to be at its most vulnerable in '08, when Sherman and his teammates are seniors.
"We've definitely been thinking about that," said Sherman. "At least on paper it looks like we have a good shot to win.¨
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i say bull---- wat do u think
I know the St. X coaches consider St. Charles a very good team and feel they will be very strong in 2008. But so was "the favorite" Upper Arlington in 2005! And we know how that turned out.Year in, year out, the St. X coaches find a way to get the most from their swimmers. Don't bet against St. X.
aquabomber08
11-01-06, 05:45 PM
i didn't say they weren't good. but i'm saying they think they can beat us this year and next.
stxbomber999
11-01-06, 06:26 PM
At last year's State Meet Jimmy Barbiere, Xs top swimmier in the class of 08, out scored the entire St. Charles 08 team alone
and people also forget that the reason why Xs 08 doesn't look as good as usual is because the class of 07 is rediculous
everyone only looks at 07 and how well the do, but there are so many swimmers in 08 who don't even get the chance to prove themselves
also Xs class of 09 isnt bad either
aquabomber08
11-02-06, 10:55 PM
it takes more than one person to win a team title. 09 looks good in the distance area. st. x's 08 sent two guys to state. st. charles sent 4. if no one else stepps upu from the underclassmen. 2008 state meet will be very tough. when we went up to st. charles last year we only one by half of a point because of our seniors. the heart of 07 was gone in nashville.
i didn't say they weren't good. but i'm saying they think they can beat us this year and next.
There is no way that St. Charles will beat St. X this year.
stxbomber999
11-04-06, 01:29 PM
it takes more than one person to win a team title. 09 looks good in the distance area. st. x's 08 sent two guys to state. st. charles sent 4. if no one else stepps upu from the underclassmen. 2008 state meet will be very tough. when we went up to st. charles last year we only one by half of a point because of our seniors. the heart of 07 was gone in nashville.
you said 09 looks good in distance, well thats St. Charles weak spot
having our strong area up against their weak point gives us a huge advantage
and about jimmy, im just saying they may have gotten more guys to state but it doesn't really help if you dont score
xbmbr88
11-07-06, 07:04 AM
St. X does what it needs to to win, there is no doubt in my mind that guys will step up and fill in the holes from the graduating class. It happens year after year. Going back to 2005 againt UA, a lot of guys stepped up who werent expected to and look at how that meet turned out. Like Coach Keefe says, If you have a lane, you have a chance.
St. X does what it needs to to win, there is no doubt in my mind that guys will step up and fill in the holes from the graduating class. It happens year after year. Going back to 2005 againt UA, a lot of guys stepped up who werent expected to and look at how that meet turned out. Like Coach Keefe says, If you have a lane, you have a chance.
You should know about stepping up, xbmbr88, because you were one of those guys in 05. Every year there is a Chris Barnes, Bart Ginocchio, Will Lawley....guys who do the unexpected.This year and next will be no different. Might even be a repeat Barnes moment!
stxbomber999
11-09-06, 06:20 PM
You should know about stepping up, xbmbr88, because you were one of those guys in 05. Every year there is a Chris Barnes, Bart Ginocchio, Will Lawley....guys who do the unexpected.This year and next will be no different. Might even be a repeat Barnes moment!
Yeah Thomas!!!
stxavier07
11-10-06, 09:58 PM
alright i have a feeling x will win this year.
2008 there will be some competition. solid sprinters with sean and springer really have the ability to step it up. with the juniors that x has now and the supporting cast of soph distance they will be a tough team to beat. X just needs some freshman to step up next year.
XdesIDtrans
11-11-06, 03:34 PM
X is definitely the favorite this year...but 2008? St. Charles might have the edge at this point - it may be even closer than Upper Arlington was...X will definitely need to step it up.
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Charles (best Canton times):
Alex Schaffer: Relay start 50 free............22.23
Alex Schaffer: 100 Fly...........................52.41
Marshall Sherman: 200 Free.................1:44.15
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 50 Free......21.34
Marshall Sherman: 100 Back...................52.01
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 100 Free....46.87
Scott Martin: 200 Free.......................1:44.49
Scott Martin: 100 Free..........................48.05
Scott Martin: Relay start 50 Free............21.49
Scott Martin: Relay start 100 Free...........47.01
Neil O'Kelly: 50 Free..............................22.54
Neil O'Kelly: Relay start 50 Free...............21.93
*Erik Mai: 100 Breast..........................1:01.57
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Xavier (best Canton times):
Jim Barbiere: Relay 50 Fly.......................24.17
Jim Barbiere: 200 Free.........................1:42.32
Jim Barbiere: 100 Back...........................50.69
Jim Barbiere: Relay start 100 Free............46.46
Steven Springer: Relay start 50 Free........22.11
Steven Springer: 50 Free.......................22.13
*Matt Columbus: 500 Free...................4:40.37
*Will Lawley: 500 Free........................4:51.05
That said, there are likely some underclassmen that could have made Canton but there where already 4 entered into the event...This is particularly true in St.Xs case as the lineup was loaded with Sr's and Jr's whereas St. Charles' sophomores were among their best swimmers. This year of course will give us a much better idea of how they match up, I know of some talented guys on X's team that haven't made a showing yet.
xbmbr88
11-11-06, 11:11 PM
take care of this year first before looking towrds next season...that being said, take into consideration the meet with UA. We werent even given a chance. We believed in ourselves and look how we did? Trust me when i say that X will do everything it needs to prepare for '08. But focus on the present before worrying about it
aquabomber08
11-12-06, 08:18 PM
alright i have a feeling x will win this year.
2008 there will be some competition. solid sprinters with sean and springer really have the ability to step it up. with the juniors that x has now and the supporting cast of soph distance they will be a tough team to beat. X just needs some freshman to step up next year.
cheese has no work ethic. someone else will need to step up. i am concerned with this year if u remember my first post on the thread it said that st. charles thinks they can make it close with us... meaning they have a chance this year. and next year they can beat us. the key to winning this year is everyone staying healthy and not getting to cocky. next year we need some serious help from the class of 10 in the middle distance area currently we a backstroker who can swimm 100 and 200 free but can't do both because of relays. a 50 free guy who might be able to throw a 100 down but might not be able to do that because of relay duties possible all three relays. two 500 guys. and a up an coming breastoker. thats all we got. we have a lot of holes to fill. seniors next year will need to step up. i dunno who else is in the class of 09. and we'll need some sophomore stand outs to complete the line up.
stxbomber999
11-13-06, 05:40 PM
cheese has no work ethic. someone else will need to step up. i am concerned with this year if u remember my first post on the thread it said that st. charles thinks they can make it close with us... meaning they have a chance this year. and next year they can beat us. the key to winning this year is everyone staying healthy and not getting to cocky. next year we need some serious help from the class of 10 in the middle distance area currently we a backstroker who can swimm 100 and 200 free but can't do both because of relays. a 50 free guy who might be able to throw a 100 down but might not be able to do that because of relay duties possible all three relays. two 500 guys. and a up an coming breastoker. thats all we got. we have a lot of holes to fill. seniors next year will need to step up. i dunno who else is in the class of 09. and we'll need some sophomore stand outs to complete the line up.
1. Cheese is working alot harder now and looks to be a contender for state
2. Dont be to worried about this year, as mentioned earlier 07 is the heart of our lineup
3. as for class of 10 lets give them a year and see how they do
4. Why cant jimmy do the 100 back and 200 free plus two relays? he did it last year
5. Steve will swim the 100 before he swims all three relays
6. those 500 guys plus the ones who havent got a chance to stepup are the keys to our victory
7. We got 2 breaststrokers who with a little work and some muscle could be really good
8. As for the class of 08 we got more than you think, some good 500ers who dont get to stepup, plenty of guys with potential if they work harder, and a butter flyer who was top 24 in the state last year, but got srewed over by automatics
stxbomber999
11-13-06, 05:43 PM
X is definitely the favorite this year...but 2008? St. Charles might have the edge at this point - it may be even closer than Upper Arlington was...X will definitely need to step it up.
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Charles (best Canton times):
Alex Schaffer: Relay start 50 free............22.23
Alex Schaffer: 100 Fly...........................52.41
Marshall Sherman: 200 Free.................1:44.15
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 50 Free......21.34
Marshall Sherman: 100 Back...................52.01
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 100 Free....46.87
Scott Martin: 200 Free.......................1:44.49
Scott Martin: 100 Free..........................48.05
Scott Martin: Relay start 50 Free............21.49
Scott Martin: Relay start 100 Free...........47.01
Neil O'Kelly: 50 Free..............................22.54
Neil O'Kelly: Relay start 50 Free...............21.93
*Erik Mai: 100 Breast..........................1:01.57
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Xavier (best Canton times):
Jim Barbiere: Relay 50 Fly.......................24.17
Jim Barbiere: 200 Free.........................1:42.32
Jim Barbiere: 100 Back...........................50.69
Jim Barbiere: Relay start 100 Free............46.46
Steven Springer: Relay start 50 Free........22.11
Steven Springer: 50 Free.......................22.13
*Matt Columbus: 500 Free...................4:40.37
*Will Lawley: 500 Free........................4:51.05
That said, there are likely some underclassmen that could have made Canton but there where already 4 entered into the event...This is particularly true in St.Xs case as the lineup was loaded with Sr's and Jr's whereas St. Charles' sophomores were among their best swimmers. This year of course will give us a much better idea of how they match up, I know of some talented guys on X's team that haven't made a showing yet.
just a note about steve and will last year they had about a 7 week taper, which doesnt work to well, so when they taper for districts and state only this year they'll do much better
aquabomber08
11-13-06, 07:20 PM
jim barbier cannot swim 100 back 100 free and 200 free and two relays. thats 5 events smart one. i see cheese occasionally in practice and in the weight room. lazy. maybe he'll be a contender for gcl's. and wat are we gonna do with 20 500 free guys. we can only take 4 to secionals. we need other events. and i'm proud smitty got in the top 24 since there are only 24 at state in each event.
aquabomber08
11-13-06, 07:22 PM
i agree 7 week tapers aren't good. and that was for districts probably. so really 8 weeks for state. haha thats exciting.
Steven Springer was not a year round swimmer last year and had a fantastic year. With just a summer of training, he made it back to finals at Y Nats. Now that he has some experience, he will be great. Alex Smit got screwed last year and he will be hungry. Cody too. The 400 free relay is intact. In the 200 free relay, Steven can step in for Brad C./Matt W. and hopefully someone else, maybe Rooney, can step up. The medley will be in good shape if a breast stroker can get a good 50 split. The senior leaders need to encourage hard work by the underclassmen.
aquabomber08
11-14-06, 08:01 PM
i heard he went crazy fast too on a relay 23 somethin. personally i think he shoulda been on the relay at state last year. thats just my opinion. look for cody or even to get buisness done in the breast stoke area. There may be some cody doubters but i think he has the ethic and the will to get it going. i think a smit will be alright. just gotta keep his confidence up. and he'll be another butterflyer.
stxbomber999
11-15-06, 06:18 PM
i heard he went crazy fast too on a relay 23 somethin. personally i think he shoulda been on the relay at state last year. thats just my opinion. look for cody or even to get buisness done in the breast stoke area. There may be some cody doubters but i think he has the ethic and the will to get it going. i think a smit will be alright. just gotta keep his confidence up. and he'll be another butterflyer.
smitty i think will do well this year and steve probably should have been one the relay but it was a soph vs. a senior and they gave it to the senior, steve still has two more years to dominate. Cody will most likely be the breast stroker, an no offense to evan but he cant sprint worth crap. Im not saying he wont do well though I see evan at 1:00 by the end of the season, out in a 29 low back in a 30 high
xbmbr88
11-16-06, 10:05 AM
I agree that cheese's work ethic is lacking at times, but from what i saw from the end of my senior year last year, he definatly picked it up. Springer will take over one of the spots on the 200 free relay as i think rooney will too (based on how he did at gcls last year). Who is the new breast stroker now that jimmy mertens is gone? smitty will be fine in fly, he can easily replace me. cody will be fine as well, he had an awesome summer as did jimmy barbiere. Columbus and Lawley will be solid compliments to Dave and Bart, no worries there. Columbus should be doing the 200 this year as well, a lot of guys drop big chunks of time from frosh to soph year, and even more from soph to junior year. Also, Cody should try the 50, i know its a long shot but his splits from Y nats were pretty solid. BTW ill be home this saturday...cant wait to see everyone!
xbmbr88
11-16-06, 10:06 AM
and thomas barnes should be in every event, he can easily win state in any event
and thomas barnes should be in every event, he can easily win state in any event
Thomas Barnes rules!!!:)
smitty i think will do well this year and steve probably should have been one the relay but it was a soph vs. a senior and they gave it to the senior, steve still has two more years to dominate. Cody will most likely be the breast stroker, an no offense to evan but he cant sprint worth crap. Im not saying he wont do well though I see evan at 1:00 by the end of the season, out in a 29 low back in a 30 high
Steve was not on the relay last year because of questionable starts and no State experience. Fast doesn't help if your relay is DQ'd. He should be great this year with more big meet experience.
aquabomber08
11-16-06, 07:22 PM
whats questionable about a flat start??????
xbmbr88
11-17-06, 09:27 AM
charlie has the fastest flat start and rightfully led off
whats questionable about a flat start??????
A false start
aquabomber08
11-17-06, 10:40 PM
actually joey deters led off smart one. and charlie anchored. if u would like to say charlie had the fastest relay start go ahead. but try to get ur facts right there.
xbmbr88
11-18-06, 09:07 PM
try not to sound like a stuck up junior
xbmbr88
11-18-06, 09:12 PM
i was on that relay so when you say things like steven springer shouldve been on it, i take it personally. you were right that joey led off but utterly it was brower's decision to take springer off the relay and if you know anything about the team, you never question his judgment.
aquabomber08
11-18-06, 09:27 PM
try not to sound like a stuck up junior
ok.... try not to be a wothless graduated kid. :wallbang: mr. wright. :hello: but apparently i dunno about the team even though i've been throwin off facts that are obviously true.... :shrug: and fyi everyone is entitled their own opinion. brower has his i have mine. its a free country.
God bless the u.s of a. :Party:
xbmbr88
11-19-06, 02:52 PM
lol im not going to fight with someone on yappi
aquabomber08
11-19-06, 06:18 PM
cuz u kno i'm right. thank u very much. and i'm glad u take it personally it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. cuz to be honest i think u were the ? on the relay. that got.... second.
stxbomber999
11-20-06, 06:19 PM
cuz u kno i'm right. thank u very much. and i'm glad u take it personally it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. cuz to be honest i think u were the ? on the relay. that got.... second.
dude, harsh. You think maybe your going a little bit to far?
aquabomber08
11-20-06, 06:58 PM
maybe.... but it needed to be said
SVILLEBIGRED
11-21-06, 08:05 AM
X is definitely the favorite this year...but 2008? St. Charles might have the edge at this point - it may be even closer than Upper Arlington was...X will definitely need to step it up.
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Charles (best Canton times):
Alex Schaffer: Relay start 50 free............22.23
Alex Schaffer: 100 Fly...........................52.41
Marshall Sherman: 200 Free.................1:44.15
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 50 Free......21.34
Marshall Sherman: 100 Back...................52.01
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 100 Free....46.87
Scott Martin: 200 Free.......................1:44.49
Scott Martin: 100 Free..........................48.05
Scott Martin: Relay start 50 Free............21.49
Scott Martin: Relay start 100 Free...........47.01
Neil O'Kelly: 50 Free..............................22.54
Neil O'Kelly: Relay start 50 Free...............21.93
*Erik Mai: 100 Breast..........................1:01.57
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Xavier (best Canton times):
Jim Barbiere: Relay 50 Fly.......................24.17
Jim Barbiere: 200 Free.........................1:42.32
Jim Barbiere: 100 Back...........................50.69
Jim Barbiere: Relay start 100 Free............46.46
Steven Springer: Relay start 50 Free........22.11
Steven Springer: 50 Free.......................22.13
*Matt Columbus: 500 Free...................4:40.37
*Will Lawley: 500 Free........................4:51.05
That said, there are likely some underclassmen that could have made Canton but there where already 4 entered into the event...This is particularly true in St.Xs case as the lineup was loaded with Sr's and Jr's whereas St. Charles' sophomores were among their best swimmers. This year of course will give us a much better idea of how they match up, I know of some talented guys on X's team that haven't made a showing yet.
hmmm... I get a 1:18 in the 100 breast :) HAHAHA... What can I say, I try....
-ROLL RED ROLL
cuz u kno i'm right. thank u very much. and i'm glad u take it personally it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. cuz to be honest i think u were the ? on the relay. that got.... second.
yes, they were second by .10 seconds....and were High School All Americans. Gosh, you need to pay more attention to that Men for Others thing.
maybe.... but it needed to be said
Why??? Let's dump on a nice kid that contributed alot to last over the last 4 years. Coach Brower would be proud of you. Not.
aquabomber08
11-22-06, 07:53 PM
nice to some people.
stxbomber999
11-26-06, 04:19 PM
any comments on cheese after blue white?
aquabomber08
11-26-06, 05:08 PM
yeah he shoulda shaved along with his taper..... i hope he continues to get faster so we can have a free relay that is fast as ----
Fly4Fun
11-30-06, 10:30 PM
I'm a St. Charles alum , and I swam under Kyle for a little bit. I don't think they are trying to be cocky and put St. X down. I know for a fact that Kyle has great respect for St. X and UA also. All that those quotes show is that St. Charles has high goals. To be the best you have to compete with the best. St. Charles had to climb to the top of the Central District by continually competing with UA until after a long time they were able to beat UA. St. Charles just now has to try to compete with St. X first. Everyone around the state respects your program. Everyone realizes what you guys have done. There is no reason to try to put down St. Charles for wanting to compete with you guys.
How did the St. X- St. Charles meet go on Friday? No results in the paper.
Results are in the Columbus paper. St. X 105-St. Charles 65 and that's without Dave Mosko.
Fly4Fun
12-03-06, 03:48 PM
St. X won both the dual meet and the Invitational.
I'm kind of unclear about the dual meet. But it appears that some if not all the distances for the evens were doubled, which would definitely give even more of an edge to St. Xavier because St. X is a great distance team.
The Invitational was a litter closer, but St. X prevailed in it as well... 421-404.
Both teams were missing two of their better swimmers as far as I'm aware. X was without Mosko and St. Charles was without junior Scott Martin who was sick and tried to swim, but after the 200 free style had to bow out because it was just too much.
Congratulations to St. Xavier.
Also, Congratulations to St. Charles swimmers who swam well and put up some really nice times for early in the season.
The Invit results are on swimmeet.com. Fly 4 Fun you are right. The meet formats may not represent what may happen in the "high school" format. Some great swims from both St. X and St. Charles!
xbmbr88
12-06-06, 07:55 PM
i dont really think that needed to be said...and if i wasnt nice to you in high school im sorry but there may have been a reason that was deserving of it. As to the ? on the relay sure it was between me and springer and Brower told me he was questioning springers start and would rather give the spot to a senior anyways. Sure i was the ? but i swam my *** off and gave it all i had, and i dont have any regrets getting second and i dont think anyone on the relay does.
Ps that was low
i dont really think that needed to be said...and if i wasnt nice to you in high school im sorry but there may have been a reason that was deserving of it. As to the ? on the relay sure it was between me and springer and Brower told me he was questioning springers start and would rather give the spot to a senior anyways. Sure i was the ? but i swam my *** off and gave it all i had, and i dont have any regrets getting second and i dont think anyone on the relay does.
Ps that was low
To my knowledge Xbmbr88 qualified to state in the 200 free and 100 fly. He was in the position to be on relay because others were inelligible or very inexperienced. Asking a middle distance swimmer to crank out the fastest 50 split when on a relay with sprinters like Charlie and Brad is unreasonable. He actually did have the fastest split on the relay at Districts where that relay won the District championship so he gave it his best. Both St X and St. Charles had great relays. St. X got out touched.....end of story.
Everyone did their best. Again, end of story.
SVILLEBIGRED
12-17-06, 10:45 PM
X is definitely the favorite this year...but 2008? St. Charles might have the edge at this point - it may be even closer than Upper Arlington was...X will definitely need to step it up.
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Charles (best Canton times):
Alex Schaffer: Relay start 50 free............22.23
Alex Schaffer: 100 Fly...........................52.41
Marshall Sherman: 200 Free.................1:44.15
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 50 Free......21.34
Marshall Sherman: 100 Back...................52.01
Marshall Sherman: Relay start 100 Free....46.87
Scott Martin: 200 Free.......................1:44.49
Scott Martin: 100 Free..........................48.05
Scott Martin: Relay start 50 Free............21.49
Scott Martin: Relay start 100 Free...........47.01
Neil O'Kelly: 50 Free..............................22.54
Neil O'Kelly: Relay start 50 Free...............21.93
*Erik Mai: 100 Breast..........................1:01.57
Sophomores (freshman = *) who made prelims for St. Xavier (best Canton times):
Jim Barbiere: Relay 50 Fly.......................24.17
Jim Barbiere: 200 Free.........................1:42.32
Jim Barbiere: 100 Back...........................50.69
Jim Barbiere: Relay start 100 Free............46.46
Steven Springer: Relay start 50 Free........22.11
Steven Springer: 50 Free.......................22.13
*Matt Columbus: 500 Free...................4:40.37
*Will Lawley: 500 Free........................4:51.05
That said, there are likely some underclassmen that could have made Canton but there where already 4 entered into the event...This is particularly true in St.Xs case as the lineup was loaded with Sr's and Jr's whereas St. Charles' sophomores were among their best swimmers. This year of course will give us a much better idea of how they match up, I know of some talented guys on X's team that haven't made a showing yet.
I'm speechless...wow.... uhmmm I get a 1:15 in the 100 breast... :laugh:
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