Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic spreads from China to US

China is now suspending virtually all air travel into the country because...wait for it...they are afraid foreigners will spread the virus. ?
 
Rohbino said:
The lack of post-mortem testing is accurate but there may also be some claim that Germany is better prepared than many countries. It does appear that testing has been done in Germany at an earlier point. Marylyn Addo, who heads the infectiology department at Hamburg’s University Medical Centre, claims this: “One advantage Germany has is that we started doing professional contact tracing when the first cases were reported,” Addo said. “It bought us some time to prepare our clinics for the coming storm.”

With only a small sliver of Austria and Switzerland separating Northern Italy from Germany it would be expected that the death-to-case ratio of the two areas would be similar. Addo suggested, though, that a likely explanation for the discrepancy in figures between Italy and Germany is that while northern Italy’s hospitals are being overrun with new patients, Germany’s are not yet at full capacity and have had more time to clear beds, stock up on equipment and redistribute personnel. It will be interesting to see if that trend holds.

Medical specialists such as Addo also do not believe that the number of unreported cases is statistically significant. “I have yet to see any data that would suggest a large number of untested corona-related deaths that don’t show up in the statistics,” she said.

Overall it appears that the reporting methodology that Germany is using does lend itself to a lower percentage of deaths but it doesn't seem to account for the entire discrepancy. It appears that preparation is also a contributing factor to the statistics. In my travels, and merely through observations, the overall population of Italy appears to be more healthy than the population of Germany so if it is true that lack of post-mortem statistics is accounting for only a small portion of a smaller death-to-case ratio, there must be some other factor(s).
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Not doing post-mortem and the fact there’s no standard for how to attribute death to Wuhan. Italy is claiming anyone who tested positive as a death while Germany is obviously being very untransparent. No doubt this is political as Europe is take one on the chin after decades of pumping their chest at American healthcare.
 
eastside_purple said:
Given the primary transmission is through inhaling droplets and the low transmission rate of surface transmission, Chinese goods are extremely low risk for transmission. Like so low, he’s basically correct.
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There was an "extremely low risk" of this disease crossing over from bats to humans... So low, it's basically zero... Except the world's population is nearly 8 billion people.

When you roll the dice 8 billion times, crazy happening is actually the likely scenario... 99.99% odds are pretty bad if you're rolling 8 billion times.
 
Rohbino said:
The lack of post-mortem testing is accurate but there may also be some claim that Germany is better prepared than many countries. It does appear that testing has been done in Germany at an earlier point. Marylyn Addo, who heads the infectiology department at Hamburg’s University Medical Centre, claims this: “One advantage Germany has is that we started doing professional contact tracing when the first cases were reported,” Addo said. “It bought us some time to prepare our clinics for the coming storm.”

With only a small sliver of Austria and Switzerland separating Northern Italy from Germany it would be expected that the death-to-case ratio of the two areas would be similar. Addo suggested, though, that a likely explanation for the discrepancy in figures between Italy and Germany is that while northern Italy’s hospitals are being overrun with new patients, Germany’s are not yet at full capacity and have had more time to clear beds, stock up on equipment and redistribute personnel. It will be interesting to see if that trend holds.

Medical specialists such as Addo also do not believe that the number of unreported cases is statistically significant. “I have yet to see any data that would suggest a large number of untested corona-related deaths that don’t show up in the statistics,” she said.

Overall it appears that the reporting methodology that Germany is using does lend itself to a lower percentage of deaths but it doesn't seem to account for the entire discrepancy. It appears that preparation is also a contributing factor to the statistics. In my travels, and merely through observations, the overall population of Italy appears to be more healthy than the population of Germany so if it is true that lack of post-mortem statistics is accounting for only a small portion of a smaller death-to-case ratio, there must be some other factor(s).
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There are other considerations for the German-Italian disparities, too, aside from reporting or identification. When sober anyway, Germans don't often hug strangers, and the Mayor of Munich didn't advocate Hug-a-Chinese, either.


But what about this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

I don't know enough to say either way, but I do feel certain that there should be bacteria species prevalent environmentally south of the Alps that do not winter well in Germany.
 
bob22 said:
Not a chance. Crank up Alice Cooper because schools out for the summer.
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Not getting that genie back in the bottle.

BTW, a bill just hit Dewine's desk to trash end of year testing, etc, for 2020.


In the immortal words of the Great brian1227, "It ovre"
 
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lotr10 said:
As the usual suspects go after Trump on his response to this the most odious is Mayor De Blasio from New York City. If you want to ID an incompetent villain you need look no further then this man.

From the MASSIVE February 5 demonstration in Chinatown to support Wuhan and blast Trump's closing of the border with China to De Blasio urging New Yorkers LESS THEN TWO WEEKS AGO, to go about their business as if nothing was happening. This included him telling his people to go see a movie or go out to dinner.

dailycaller.com

FLASHBACK To March 3: De Blasio Asks New Yorkers To Ignore Coronavirus, Get On With Their Lives

Mayor Bill de Blasio was downplaying the coronavirus nearly two weeks before railing against Trump's response to the virus.
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And for runner up lets not forget Governor Cuomo who in 2015 was offered a chance to buy thousands of ventilators but he opted instead to support some green energy initiative. This in spite of the FACT that NY State sits on top of a massive Natural Gas deposit that they refuse to exploit.

As of today more then 1/3 of all the covid19 deaths in America are coming out of NYC. And you can make a credible argument that Mayor De Blasio & Governor Cuomo bear a great deal of responsibility for this.
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Bill DiB and Cuomo are failures that pass the buck. No shock.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
There was an "extremely low risk" of this disease crossing over from bats to humans... So low, it's basically zero... Except the world's population is nearly 8 billion people.

When you roll the dice 8 billion times, crazy happening is actually the likely scenario... 99.99% odds are pretty bad if you're rolling 8 billion times.
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The disease did not cross from a bat to a human. More than likely it crossed from a bat to another species at the Wuhan Fish Market and then was passed on to a human.

OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Great point. This disease came from the lab in Wuhan. All these real-world experts no nothing about what happened in the Chinese petri dishes.
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Again with the tin foil hat conspiracy theory. There is zero evidence that the disease came from a lab in Wuhan....zero, zilch, nada......

To reiterate my post from yesterday....

Rohbino said:
It is patently false that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a Chinese laboratory. I am not disputing that it came from China. It did.

SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, and MERS-CoV are all betacoronaviruses. Alpha - and betacoronaviruses are descended from a bat gene pool. While bats are the primary species that are infected, humans, camels, pangolins, and rabbits can also become infected. This new coronavirus has a genome sequence that overwhelmingly shows that it originated in wildlife. If, indeed, someone were to produce a new coronavirus as a potential pathogen to be used as a bioweapon, it would have been derived from a pathogen that is already known to cause an illness - i.e., SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, etc. The genetic backbone of SARS-CoV-2 is vastly different from those other coronaviruses. There is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that this coronavirus originated in a laboratory.
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Is it "all of these real world experts know nothing" or "all of these no-nothing real world experts?" A Freudian slip, there?

In lab? Uhm, Ok ???
 
chs1971 said:
Dr. Acton expects 6-8,000 new cases a day by early May. (Note: Not deaths.)
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She said she's basing it on the UK models.... (you know the ones that were have been reconsidered by the original authors...)

Did ya hear her answer the question regarding the peak surge being closer to where we are now (at 150 per day) than the 6,000 - 8,000? She acknowledged that we could be closer to the surge now citing, "as the data gets better, we'll have more accurate numbers".
 
y2h said:
China is now suspending virtually all air travel into the country because...wait for it...they are afraid foreigners will spread the virus. ?
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Who wants to go to China at the moment. Seriously. Take away reporters or investigators, and who is left ?
 
AllSports12 said:
She said she's basing it on the UK models.... (you know the ones that were have been reconsidered by the original authors...)

Did ya hear her answer the question regarding the peak surge being closer to where we are now (at 150 per day) than the 6,000 - 8,000? She acknowledged that we could be closer to the surge now citing, "as the data gets better, we'll have more accurate numbers".
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She is too busy getting ready for the next press conference to examine new info.
 
AllSports12 said:
She said she's basing it on the UK models.... (you know the ones that were have been reconsidered by the original authors...)

Did ya hear her answer the question regarding the peak surge being closer to where we are now (at 150 per day) than the 6,000 - 8,000? She acknowledged that we could be closer to the surge now citing, "as the data gets better, we'll have more accurate numbers".
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It's all just SWAG.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Trump closed the border to China while the libs screamed racism. Trump's mistake was not closing ports to all Chinese goods. The dirty Chinese products are killing many people. Could have been prevented.
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Libs...strawman much?

I hated China when all you MFers were singing their praises.

It has been documented that Trump was told of the seriousness of this crisis and ignored. Go back to March 11 and 12 and watch his show press conferences where he sent mixed messages. He changed his tune on around the 14th. Now he is back to trusting is fat gut, which means all you Trumpets are trusting his fat gut. :LOL: Congrats!
 
irish_buffalo said:
Have you ever once said anything remotely negative about the POTUS?

Do not be jealous that I still have the ability to call a spade a spade. Cabe, blink three times if you are still in there? :ROFLMAO:
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Many times. You'll have to do way better than that.

You consider Joe Biden a serious candidate, when he needs a spade back-filling him more than we need his Inauguration. You are a zero-credibility rubber stamp DemtAArrd at this point.
 
irish_buffalo said:
Libs...strawman much?

I hated China when all you MFers were singing their praises.

It has been documented that Trump was told of the seriousness of this crisis and ignored. Go back to March 11 and 12 and watch his show press conferences where he sent mixed messages. He changed his tune on around the 14th. Now he is back to trusting is fat gut, which means all you Trumpets are trusting his fat gut. :LOL: Congrats!
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It's not a strawman. Even Biden played the racism card.
 
irish_buffalo said:
Libs...strawman much?

I hated China when all you MFers were singing their praises.

It has been documented that Trump was told of the seriousness of this crisis and ignored. Go back to March 11 and 12 and watch his show press conferences where he sent mixed messages. He changed his tune on around the 14th. Now he is back to trusting is fat gut, which means all you Trumpets are trusting his fat gut. :LOL: Congrats!
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Who trusts Trump ? Who sang China's praises, you binary dipsh1t ? ?‍♂️


Seriously, are you losing it ?
 
cabezadecaballo said:
Who trusts Trump ? Who sang China's praises, you binary dipsh1t ? ?‍♂️


Seriously, are you losing it ?
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I do not have the time or the effort to pull of the "free trade" threads from this and the puddle from over the years.

The only dip$hit is the guy like yourself who is lock-step on everything this buffoon does.
 
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