Just had a patient send me this article. Quality read.
https://www.soccernation.com/the-da...Y20kHK8kfJS81Vit05k_u-Bjp5q-2j1rAEI_fV3BEGm3I
https://www.soccernation.com/the-da...Y20kHK8kfJS81Vit05k_u-Bjp5q-2j1rAEI_fV3BEGm3I
“WE LISTENED TO OUR FAMILIES. ECNL IS A BETTER FIT FOR US.”
Sounds pretty simple. But this is Yappi, so we will now begin with everyone applying their own feelings to the article instead of just taking exactly what was said.
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As well as why High School is important and the ECNL gives you more college exposure.
I understand why the Families feel that way.
It's not "as well as". Its the what's best for the majority of the families in a program and all of the reasons those families feel that way. Plain and simple. It's their choice. There are other programs with families that don't agree with that and are happy with the DA, thus programs being a part of it. If a family wants their kid playing high school soccer they can take their kid to a program that allows it, they are free to do that. If enough do that, or threaten to, within a program to the point it threatens the bottom line of the program that program will change just like the one in the article. Again, it's pretty simple here.As well as why High School is important and the ECNL gives you more college exposure. I understand why the Families feel that way.
ECNL does NOT give players more exposure- its about even with DA actually. But the overwhelming reason is...….
HIGH SCHOOL SOCCER!
People love playing for HS. We live in a society where a lot of it is awards and the spotlight. Can your child be all city, all state at the club level? Does your child get their name in the media or on social media for accomplishments in CLUB? NO.
High School they do.
Maybe it also has something to do with having fun. A lot of kids have more fun playing high school soccer. Also, there are a lot of club coaches that are egotistical tools that make it not fun.
- NOT TRUEUS soccer threw a wrench into the works of a good working program plain and simple.
US soccer is Butt hurt and always has been if they would of listened from the start the ECNL would of never been formed.
-While the ECNL leaders collected a big pay check also.US Soccer sat on their hands and did nothing except collect big paychecks.
- Again not true. The ECNL was going to regulate out clubs that were not able to compete and that has not happened. Also not sure how anyone believes that CUP or KHA shouldn't be in the ECNL. If the powers that be here in Ohio would have been willing to let others in maybe the DA wouldn't be in Cincinnati.The ECNL formed and showed them how it should be done, The ECNL kicks out the best players year after year and US soccer didn't like it at all.
-Maybe US Soccer didnt want the ECNL and their BS.US Soccer couldn't claim the ECNL so they came up with the "DA" Why did they do that when there was already a super successful program?
- And the DA in its short life span so far has also gotten a lot of players seen by colleges and called up to the National Teams for training or to play. When was the last local ECNL player called up to train or on a National Team roster. Maybe the DA is doing a better job.The ECNL program is based on producing the best players possible by Developing them and with a heavy focus on getting these kids seen by colleges.
- What restrictive rules besides not playing HS? Easy to say but harder to give facts.The DA is focused on finding one or two players who could have a chance at the National team, the rest are left behind to be burned out by massive over training and restricted by some over controlling rules.
- Seems like our local DA teams are doing pretty well. As for changing the DA gives players yet another option and whats wrong with options? While i prefer kids to play HS there are situations where it may not be best for them to do it.IF the DA does not change it will fade away pretty quickly, But it all starts with the leader ship of US soccer being the Good Ole boy show.
it is about Time somebody cleaned house and got some folks in there that understand what is going on so they can fix it.
- Argumentative please define the "best clubs" and most talented as for your swipe at a coach of the DA I believe he was playing youth soccer when OE started.Also something for you to think about The ECNL was formed by the best quality clubs in the country with the most talented coaches that were all background checked and would never let a coach in that lied on their resume.
-No, I think US soccer looks at the big picture and is willing to give people a second chance when its earned unlike you. I suppose will hold everything your kids do against them for the rest of their lives and never ever give anyone a second chance and believes society should do the same thing to your kids.But US Soccer embraces these kinds of folks with the Likes of DR and JP.
My advice would be to run as fast as you can I don't follow liars ! DO YOU ?
- NOT TRUE
-While the ECNL leaders collected a big pay check also.
- Again not true. The ECNL was going to regulate out clubs that were not able to compete and that has not happened. Also not sure how anyone believes that CUP or KHA shouldn't be in the ECNL. If the powers that be here in Ohio would have been willing to let others in maybe the DA wouldn't be in Cincinnati.
-Maybe US Soccer didnt want the ECNL and their BS.
- And the DA in its short life span so far has also gotten a lot of players seen by colleges and called up to the National Teams for training or to play. When was the last local ECNL player called up to train or on a National Team roster. Maybe the DA is doing a better job.
- What restrictive rules besides not playing HS? Easy to say but harder to give facts.
- Seems like our local DA teams are doing pretty well. As for changing the DA gives players yet another option and whats wrong with options? While i prefer kids to play HS there are situations where it may not be best for them to do it.
- Argumentative please define the "best clubs" and most talented as for your swipe at a coach of the DA I believe he was playing youth soccer when OE started.
-No, I think US soccer looks at the big picture and is willing to give people a second chance when its earned unlike you. I suppose will hold everything your kids do against them for the rest of their lives and never ever give anyone a second chance and believes society should do the same thing to your kids.
Again you are nothing but a Keyboard Warrior Troll that hides behind a made up name and throws stones at others because you are to scared / pathetic to confront the person or people face to face and sit down and actually talk to them about your issues with them. Please change your profile name to TrollWarrior.
Seems like the ECNL vs DA argument is kind of a moot point. There's a simple metric for which platform does a better job for getting players to the next level. Both publish numbers about players going to college, although ECNL is a little more transparent.
As both leagues have been adding clubs based more on geographic leverage than merit, both leagues seem to have been watered down a bit.
OE had two girls on the 99 team that had been called up (Although one was a CUP girl that had come over). How many more do you need?
Seems somewhat like disingenuous trolling coach. It's what makes you the CUP version of Buck.
We both know AP was CUP before coming over. Are you suggesting RA wasn't an OE girl?
I don't get caught up in this who's better stuff that you and Buck do. I argue that both clubs are destination clubs and that girls just start gravitating to CUP at an earlier age. By U16 it seems to have settled out. How many girls left CUP for OE from the 01's and 02's?
I say it's a testament to CUP's strength as a club as much as OE. You keep trying to split hairs.
Seems somewhat like disingenuous trolling coach. It's what makes you the CUP version of Buck.
We both know AP was CUP before coming over. Are you suggesting RA wasn't an OE girl?
I don't get caught up in this who's better stuff that you and Buck do. I argue that both clubs are destination clubs and that girls just start gravitating to CUP at an earlier age. By U16 it seems to have settled out. How many girls left CUP for OE from the 01's and 02's?
I say it's a testament to CUP's strength as a club as much as OE. You keep trying to split hairs.
OE has had 1 Callup in the last 4-5 years and that was RA. RA was an OE girl although she spent 1 year at CUP at maybe 12U. AP was and is a CUP girl. CINCY DA/ Cup has had 7-10 Callups in the last 4 years to OE’S 1. Prior to the shift in power OE had maybe 20+ callups to CUP/KHA 2 callups over a 10 year span.
I will ask this question again has the talent shifted that much from sides or is it whoever has the political power determines the callups?
If we are to assume that it’s the political climate isn’t that part of the problem with the national teams issues.
people may hear your words, but they feel your attitude theres enough posturing on both sides to lack credibility. let the darn kids play the game and yeah yapster like everything in life politics usually destroys everything it touches. but for the record politics is an adult game cant blame the kids for that
Playing for your high school in front of your peers is a BIG deal. Heck our HS and many others have more fan support than schools like Xavier and Ohio State. Playoffs is a great experience that does not exist for most club teams/players.
That's exactly the point I was making before. At the end of the day it's about finding the best path personally for your kid and your family. Which path (or club) that is is completely dependent upon the individual. That's why having choices is a good thing.Interesting Q&A.
What is your advice for parents? If you had a daughter …
"Christian Lavers: I don’t have a young daughter, but I have a young son and another one coming any week – but the answer is the same regardless of gender. The first thing I would say is the player has to love the sport — because that’s what’s going to drive them to work and train.
My advice to parents? Find the environment where your child is enjoying it, where he or she is learning, and where he or she is being challenged. Those are three different criteria for a great environment.
THE IDEAL PATH IS TO BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT SHE LOVES.
She needs to be in an environment that she chooses to be in because she wants it.
So you’re not going to qualitatively, completely say ECNL’s better?
Christian Lavers: Well, it would be philosophically deceptive if I said, “Oh yeah, this one path is the perfect path for everybody.” Because that’s not possible."
But yet many on hear do. Glad to see ECNL's leader agrees there are multiple pathways that work dependent upon what is best for the needs of the players. Sorry Bucky aka TrollWarrior the ECNL president doesnt agree with you.
What cracks me up is the pipedream so many parents on here (and in general) who have made getting 'the call up' as important as they think it is, when you are literally talking about 1% of ALL club players getting that opportunity, no matter WHAT club you are talking about. Ya'll sound like parents arguing about which gas station is better at having the winning lotto ticket to buy? What SHOULD be the better question for any 'realistic' parent (which on this site there seems to be zero) to ask when deciding which club to play for is- which club helps ALL 16 players on each DA/ECNL team get interest from multiple college programs? Since college coaches tell me on a regular basis that DA/ECNL clubs only promote one or two kids from each team, I guess that answer is ZERO as well, (which is the biggest part of the ECNL/DA scam) but in fairness it does seem like both CUP and OE do a better job promoting kids for college than ANY other club in Ohio...and its not even close.
What cracks me up is the pipedream so many parents on here (and in general) who have made getting 'the call up' as important as they think it is, when you are literally talking about 1% of ALL club players getting that opportunity, no matter WHAT club you are talking about. Ya'll sound like parents arguing about which gas station is better at having the winning lotto ticket to buy? What SHOULD be the better question for any 'realistic' parent (which on this site there seems to be zero) to ask when deciding which club to play for is- which club helps ALL 16 players on each DA/ECNL team get interest from multiple college programs? Since college coaches tell me on a regular basis that DA/ECNL clubs only promote one or two kids from each team, I guess that answer is ZERO as well, (which is the biggest part of the ECNL/DA scam) but in fairness it does seem like both CUP and OE do a better job promoting kids for college than ANY other club in Ohio...and its not even close.
What cracks me up is the pipedream so many parents on here (and in general) who have made getting 'the call up' as important as they think it is, when you are literally talking about 1% of ALL club players getting that opportunity, no matter WHAT club you are talking about. Ya'll sound like parents arguing about which gas station is better at having the winning lotto ticket to buy? What SHOULD be the better question for any 'realistic' parent (which on this site there seems to be zero) to ask when deciding which club to play for is- which club helps ALL 16 players on each DA/ECNL team get interest from multiple college programs? Since college coaches tell me on a regular basis that DA/ECNL clubs only promote one or two kids from each team, I guess that answer is ZERO as well, (which is the biggest part of the ECNL/DA scam) but in fairness it does seem like both CUP and OE do a better job promoting kids for college than ANY other club in Ohio...and its not even close.
What cracks me up is the pipedream so many parents on here (and in general) who have made getting 'the call up' as important as they think it is, when you are literally talking about 1% of ALL club players getting that opportunity, no matter WHAT club you are talking about. Ya'll sound like parents arguing about which gas station is better at having the winning lotto ticket to buy? What SHOULD be the better question for any 'realistic' parent (which on this site there seems to be zero) to ask when deciding which club to play for is- which club helps ALL 16 players on each DA/ECNL team get interest from multiple college programs? Since college coaches tell me on a regular basis that DA/ECNL clubs only promote one or two kids from each team, I guess that answer is ZERO as well, (which is the biggest part of the ECNL/DA scam) but in fairness it does seem like both CUP and OE do a better job promoting kids for college than ANY other club in Ohio...and its not even close.