Why NIL will ruin college sports...

[14Red]

There's reasons why it's a bad idea to give kids and young adults too much money, fame and attention. We see it over and over and over with kid movie and TV stars.

What's the typical story? Too much, too soon, they want to grow up way before it's time, many get into drugs and alcohol, multiple partners and we see, sadly some succumb to it with their life - others are ruined.

Last year at this time we saw a young basketball star in women's college basketball in Caitlyn Clark as a breath of fresh air. A new, bright star who shoots like Steph Curry and has an edge yet plays a team game. Fast forward one year and after giving GIVING her access to 24 hour life events, hundreds of thousands of dollars and the prospects for many more....ESPN and other media outlets fascination with telling a person how great they are. The last few weeks, she's been screaming at opponents, yelling at officials - CONSTANTLY. It's really bordering on LeBron/ Draymond Green like whining. She's getting and got the star treatment, and yet she still complains about calls. Maybe she's just crumbling with the pressure of it all. Last night they struggled to beat a scrappy West Virgina team and she was only 8-22 shooting and 3 assists in playing all 40 minutes. The rest of the Iowa team divvied up 25 shots.

No doubt there is a marketing company working with Clark and her image and branding. But what are we doing? ADULTS are steering the ship and any of us who are parents knows the issues with allowing our kids to get too full of themselves. A parents job is to pick their kid up when they are down, and throttle them back when necessary. There is no way her parents are ok with her behavior, in fact, last weekend there's a clip where she looks up at her dad during the game and she yells at her to shut up!

Now I'm not naive enough to think that after a few years of these stories, we'll suddenly do away with NIL and realize it's bad for the college student. But those of you who love NIL and want the student athlete to "get all they can get" buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[wolves82]

Did money ruin pro sports? Nope. We all still are fans. We go to games, watch on TV and enjoy our teams' success.

College will be no different. NIL money has changed college sports forever, but it won't ruin it.

This post will ruin your thread though. Not much more to say.

 

[Cedar_Point]

There's reasons why it's a bad idea to give kids and young adults too much money, fame and attention. We see it over and over and over with kid movie and TV stars.

What's the typical story? Too much, too soon, they want to grow up way before it's time, many get into drugs and alcohol, multiple partners and we see, sadly some succumb to it with their life - others are ruined.

Last year at this time we saw a young basketball star in women's college basketball in Caitlyn Clark as a breath of fresh air. A new, bright star who shoots like Steph Curry and has an edge yet plays a team game. Fast forward one year and after giving GIVING her access to 24 hour life events, hundreds of thousands of dollars and the prospects for many more....ESPN and other media outlets fascination with telling a person how great they are. The last few weeks, she's been screaming at opponents, yelling at officials - CONSTANTLY. It's really bordering on LeBron/ Draymond Green like whining. She's getting and got the star treatment, and yet she still complains about calls. Maybe she's just crumbling with the pressure of it all. Last night they struggled to beat a scrappy West Virgina team and she was only 8-22 shooting and 3 assists in playing all 40 minutes. The rest of the Iowa team divvied up 25 shots.

No doubt there is a marketing company working with Clark and her image and branding. But what are we doing? ADULTS are steering the ship and any of us who are parents knows the issues with allowing our kids to get too full of themselves. A parents job is to pick their kid up when they are down, and throttle them back when necessary. There is no way her parents are ok with her behavior, in fact, last weekend there's a clip where she looks up at her dad during the game and she yells at her to shut up!

Now I'm not naive enough to think that after a few years of these stories, we'll suddenly do away with NIL and realize it's bad for the college student. But those of you who love NIL and want the student athlete to "get all they can get" buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

There have been college players and even high school players “whining” about calls way before NIL was even thought of. Hell, I was one of them

 

[14Red]

There have been college players and even high school players “whining” about calls way before NIL was even thought of. Hell, I was one of them

Two questions, how old are you and how many technical did you get in high school?

 

[Cedar_Point]

Two questions, how old are you and how many technical did you get in high school?

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[14Red]

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Ok, needless to say the era you played in there was much more exchanges between players and officials. I'm 58, you even look at an official with any kind of face and you were on thin ice. Say anything and it was likely a T. It just wasn't put up with.

 

[nwwarrior09]

Terrible sportsmanship and incessant whining has been in progress for years. Thank individualism in the NBA and AAU basketball culture for it.

 

[Cedar_Point]

Ok, needless to say the era you played in there was much more exchanges between players and officials. I'm 58, you even look at an official with any kind of face and you were on thin ice. Say anything and it was likely a T. It just wasn't put up with.

That has nothing to do with NIL. You’re actually contradicting your point. You were in high school and there wasn’t a 3 point line. Live in the present, not the past

 

[14Red]

That has nothing to do with NIL. You’re actually contradicting your point. You were in high school and there wasn’t a 3 point line. Live in the present, not the past

Sure it does. When you give young people too much fame and fortune, things go sideways. There are some who can handle it, and it certainly seemed Clark was handling it, now with the wall to wall coverage, the NIL money, the commercials, it's just too much. Just pay attention to how things go the next few years, you'll see. There are not enough true adults in the room to get a handle on this.

 

[Omar]

The abuse of NIL is the problem, not players actually making $ from legitimate work.

 

[Cedar_Point]

Sure it does. When you give young people too much fame and fortune, things go sideways. There are some who can handle it, and it certainly seemed Clark was handling it, now with the wall to wall coverage, the NIL money, the commercials, it's just too much. Just pay attention to how things go the next few years, you'll see. There are not enough true adults in the room to get a handle on this.

This should be fun…
So you’re a MAGA that doesn’t believe in capitalism? Dang dude. That has to burn deep. What were you secretly cheering for the USSR in the ‘80 Winter Olympics?

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

The abuse of NIL is the problem, not players actually making $ from legitimate work.

There work is their sport. NCAA made this bed now they have to sleep in it.

 

[Omar]

There work is their sport. NCAA made this bed now they have to sleep in it.

Why shouldn’t they get paid if their image is used in an NCAA video game? Why shouldn’t they be able to sell their property (ie OSU tattoos)? Why shouldn’t they be able to make $ signing autographs at a Dealership?

I agree the if a HS kid is getting paid millions to sign with a program, that’s wrong. I certainly don’t blame the kids who do take the bag, but this current chaotic structure is not healthy for the sport.

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

Why shouldn’t they get paid if their image is used in an NCAA video game? Why shouldn’t they be able to sell their property (ie OSU tattoos)? Why shouldn’t they be able to make $ signing autographs at a Dealership?

I agree the if a HS kid is getting paid millions to sign with a program, that’s wrong. I certainly don’t blame the kids who do take the bag, but this current chaotic structure is not healthy for the sport.

Agree why shouldn't they, doubt if a car dealership would "give" Caleb Downs a land rover if it was not beneficial for both parties involved.

2nd in bold is your opinion but if you don't like it don't watch college sports, yet I have a feeling the new CFP playoff scenario will have plenty people watching. Again, the NCAA is totally responsible for the current NIL setup.

 

[Omar]

Agree why shouldn't they, doubt if a car dealership would "give" Caleb Downs a land rover if it was not beneficial for both parties involved.

2nd in bold is your opinion but if you don't like it don't watch college sports, yet I have a feeling the new CFP playoff scenario will have plenty people watching. Again, the NCAA is totally responsible for the current NIL setup.

I’ll always watch. My point is, NIL as it’s intended to be, is not the problem.

 

[14Red]

This should be fun…
So you’re a MAGA that doesn’t believe in capitalism? Dang dude. That has to burn deep. What were you secretly cheering for the USSR in the ‘80 Winter Olympics?

Oh my gosh....that is so far off I can't even reply. Of course I believe in capitalism. That is left for the professional athletes. These are college kids, let's not cloud an already complicated life and changes with giving some kids thousands of dollars and most nothing.
Why turn this into politics?? SMH???

 

[boothmark77]

Oh my gosh....that is so far off I can't even reply. Of course I believe in capitalism. That is left for the professional athletes. These are college kids, let's not cloud an already complicated life and changes with giving some kids thousands of dollars and most nothing.
Why turn this into politics?? SMH???

Haha many sports threads seem to drift towards politics. Election year? Nah, just yappi at its lowest.

Back on point, I will agree with your original post/point—Clark is definitely hard to root for this year due to her antics.

 

[14Red]

Why shouldn’t they get paid if their image is used in an NCAA video game? Why shouldn’t they be able to sell their property (ie OSU tattoos)? Why shouldn’t they be able to make $ signing autographs at a Dealership?

I agree the if a HS kid is getting paid millions to sign with a program, that’s wrong. I certainly don’t blame the kids who do take the bag, but this current chaotic structure is not healthy for the sport.

The main issue becomes this....5-10% gain from this, college sports is the entire student-athlete population. The backup setter on the volleyball team should have the same athletic situation as the starting QB on the football team. Most people only see Caleb Williams or CJ Stoud and the opportunities they get. They GO to USC and Ohio State TO GET to the next level. That, along with their scholarship is enough compensation in my opinion. Ohio State, USC, Texas, Georgia, Alabama football programs were well established way before Stroud, Williams, or any of their current stars set foot on campus. THAT's what brings in the million dollar TV deals, not that individual player. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand. That's like saying the guy working down at your local McDonald's should make $500,000 a year because McDonald's is a national brand and he works there???
I laugh when people say the players are "working" and are "employees"??? Are you kidding??
This is a mismangled, screwed up system, and it's not getting better anytime soon. And yes, I'll likely be watching just as I always do.

 

[14Red]

Haha many sports threads seem to drift towards politics. Election year? Nah, just yappi at its lowest.

Back on point, I will agree with your original post/point—Clark is definitely hard to root for this year due to her antics.

yes, how about cedar point going right to the "you must be MAGA" rant?? Hilarious. And we wonder why the country is so screwed up politically.

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

The main issue becomes this....5-10% gain from this, college sports is the entire student-athlete population. The backup setter on the volleyball team should have the same athletic situation as the starting QB on the football team. Most people only see Caleb Williams or CJ Stoud and the opportunities they get. They GO to USC and Ohio State TO GET to the next level. That, along with their scholarship is enough compensation in my opinion. Ohio State, USC, Texas, Georgia, Alabama football programs were well established way before Stroud, Williams, or any of their current stars set foot on campus. THAT's what brings in the million dollar TV deals, not that individual player. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand. That's like saying the guy working down at your local McDonald's should make $500,000 a year because McDonald's is a national brand and he works there???
I laugh when people say the players are "working" and are "employees"??? Are you kidding??
This is a mismangled, screwed up system, and it's not getting better anytime soon. And yes, I'll likely be watching just as I always do.

LOL comparing the value of an employee at McD's or any employee at any co. compared to the value of C.J. Stroud is ridiculous.

 

[14Red]

LOL comparing the value of an employee at McD's or any employee at any co. compared to the value of C.J. Stroud is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous, just as a current college athlete has more value at a school than any other athlete. These are TEAM sports, Ohio State football is an institution. People will watch their games NO MATTER WHO the quarterback is. They don't watch because CJ Stroud is the QB, or Justin Fields, or Troy Smith, or Kirk Herbstreit. It's a crazy comparison people make to boost NIL.

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

It is ridiculous, just as a current college athlete has more value at a school than any other athlete. These are TEAM sports, Ohio State football is an institution. People will watch their games NO MATTER WHO the quarterback is. They don't watch because CJ Stroud is the QB, or Justin Fields, or Troy Smith, or Kirk Herbstreit. It's a crazy comparison people make to boost NIL.

Wrong if OSU did not have great players not as many people would watch their games nationally nor would the attd. be as robust. Evey HC will tell you that you win with talent otherwise schools would not spend that much money on recruiting. Don't ever put Herbstreit in the same sentence with Stroud, Fields, or Smith.

 

[nwwarrior09]

"Big brands" would gradually no longer be big brands if they didn't have the talent to win.

Football drives the revenue and funds everything else at the "big brand" institutions. If one doesn't want the individuals players involved to benefit from it, fine, but if they aren't profiting themselves, it's laughable that 16+ hours of their day in-season is structured from sun up until they go to bed. For the ones that drive the winning (that drives the revenue), the scholarship and whatever stipend(s) is no where near enough value for the time input.

 

[Omar]

The main issue becomes this....5-10% gain from this, college sports is the entire student-athlete population. The backup setter on the volleyball team should have the same athletic situation as the starting QB on the football team. Most people only see Caleb Williams or CJ Stoud and the opportunities they get. They GO to USC and Ohio State TO GET to the next level. That, along with their scholarship is enough compensation in my opinion. Ohio State, USC, Texas, Georgia, Alabama football programs were well established way before Stroud, Williams, or any of their current stars set foot on campus. THAT's what brings in the million dollar TV deals, not that individual player. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand. That's like saying the guy working down at your local McDonald's should make $500,000 a year because McDonald's is a national brand and he works there???
I laugh when people say the players are "working" and are "employees"??? Are you kidding??
This is a mismangled, screwed up system, and it's not getting better anytime soon. And yes, I'll likely be watching just as I always do.

Those are the players/sports that actually generate a profit. Football and in a few cases Bball financially support every other sport.

 

[wolves82]

You know a thread has gone sideways when Omar is the reasonable one.

Fact: Caitlin was whiny last year, always making whiny face and turning her palms up in the air when she did not get a call. Lots of ball players do that.

Fact: NIL has nothing to do with any of this. If an OSU football player makes thousands of dollars for being on a car commercial, good for him. He is helping make tons of money for OSU and deserves some money for his name and fame. Same is true for any revenue-generating athlete at a big school. Clark is filling arenas everywhere.

Fact: 14Red is just a dinosaur who hates change of any kind. And I'm older than him.

 

[Omar]

You know a thread has gone sideways when Omar is the reasonable one.

Fact: Caitlin was whiny last year, always making whiny face and turning her palms up in the air when she did not get a call. Lots of ball players do that.

Fact: NIL has nothing to do with any of this. If an OSU football player makes thousands of dollars for being on a car commercial, good for him. He is helping make tons of money for OSU and deserves some money for his name and fame. Same is true for any revenue-generating athlete at a big school. Clark is filling arenas everywhere.

Fact: 14Red is just a dinosaur who hates change of any kind. And I'm older than him.

I’ve always been fair about this. I’m a Capitalist, I think players should’ve always had legitimate opportunities to EARN $. However, I’m not a full on laissez faire Capitalist, that believes there should be no rules. There needs to be harsh punishment for pay for play. Niko Iameleva shouldn’t be getting paid 6 mm to sign with UT. If UT wants to use the opportunities available to EARN $, that’s different. But paying HS kids millions of $ just for their commitment is bush league.

 

[AEW Champion]

Fact: 14Red is just a dinosaur who hates change of any kind. And I'm older than him.

He also has shown an odd, consistent disdain for fast-food workers making any kind of money, even though many of them probably work harder than he does, given he’s on Yappi an awful lot during weekdays.

 

[Hammerdrill]

Wrong if OSU did not have great players not as many people would watch their games nationally nor would the attd. be as robust. Evey HC will tell you that you win with talent otherwise schools would not spend that much money on recruiting. Don't ever put Herbstreit in the same sentence with Stroud, Fields, or Smith.

Plenty of people watched Herbstriet, just a marginal difference to watch Stroud. As has been pointed out, these players while great, do not have a platform without the great football institution that is Ohio State. If it were so easy to be Ohio State, every school would be Ohio State. I don't really care is they get paid, but Ohio State existed long before any of these players, and exists after they leave.

 

[14Red]

You know a thread has gone sideways when Omar is the reasonable one.

Fact: Caitlin was whiny last year, always making whiny face and turning her palms up in the air when she did not get a call. Lots of ball players do that.

Fact: NIL has nothing to do with any of this. If an OSU football player makes thousands of dollars for being on a car commercial, good for him. He is helping make tons of money for OSU and deserves some money for his name and fame. Same is true for any revenue-generating athlete at a big school. Clark is filling arenas everywhere.

Fact: 14Red is just a dinosaur who hates change of any kind. And I'm older than him.

Ya see I disagree with this wolves. Ohio State will make tons of money from football weather (fill in the blank) is a player there now or not. That bill has already been paid. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. WHY are players now getting paid? Because some of these schools were swimming in money - they were adding coaching jobs, redoing the locker room every other year just to burn up some of that money, and someone said hey, let's give it to the players?? Well, the backup setter on the volleyball team has NOTHING to do with ESPN / ABC paying millions of dollars to put Ohio State football on TV. BUT due to Title IX, it's REQUIRED for schools to have equal opportunity for mens and womens sports, weather they make money or lose money. So back to the original point, Marvin Harrison came to Ohio State BECAUSE THEY PUT GUYS IN THE NFL, AND THEY RUN A PASSING GAME!!!!!
He was going to Ohio State weather they pay or not because he wants to get to the NFL.

So college sports are on a completely different platform than pro sports. Pro sports is about making money, they have to and they do all they can to do that. Now, in college Ohio State football is part of the overall athletic department, they are not stand alone. It's like this at most schools. However, they also have dozens of other sports in Columbus who do not make money, they lose money. They depend on Ohio State football to support the entire athletic department. However, Ohio State is also part of the Big ten conference and NCAA D1 sports. Do you think Bowling Green University has anywhere near the budget for sports? Heck no, in fact their football program may actually lose money for the athletic department. And yet these two schools participate in the same league???

 

[14Red]

I’ve always been fair about this. I’m a Capitalist, I think players should’ve always had legitimate opportunities to EARN $. However, I’m not a full on laissez faire Capitalist, that believes there should be no rules. There needs to be harsh punishment for pay for play. Niko Iameleva shouldn’t be getting paid 6 mm to sign with UT. If UT wants to use the opportunities available to EARN $, that’s different. But paying HS kids millions of $ just for their commitment is bush league.

Bingo Hammer, people watch Ohio State football, not the quarterback or any individual player. They watch Alabama football, Tennessee, Texas, or name the flavor of the year.