Where does Trump go from here?
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View it how you want. My point is, I will not vote for Trump, I will not vote D either. So the Republicans need to think about it before sending a mentally challenged candidate to run for POTUS again.
Trump takes rejection far too personal and for that reason alone I believe he should never hold office again. Not to mention being 80 years old. We can do so much better. As Pence said in his interview broadcast a couple nights ago, better choices are coming.
Really, I could flip this entire narrative around and ask , you are willing to screw over the conservative side of America by voting to nominate a guaranteed loser? If we as a nation are not smart enough to see the logical outcome of such a nomination then I agree with Lindsey Graham, we will get exactly what we deserve.
y2h
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He said that BEFORE Trump won in 2016. I don't see him as a guaranteed loss at all. He had a successful 1st term, Biden is a disaster, people will be running to vote R if not for Trump himself. Let's not forget Trump increased support in 2020.
You can talk about having better choices. I'll vote for whoever the nominee is because I'm not going to screw over the conservative side of America out of petty spite. Not voting for Trump if he is the nominee is a vote for liberals to retain power. Not really sure how that's beneficial if you actually believe in conservative ideals.
y2h
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Good thing the popular vote is irrelevant
Republicans will always lose the popular due to running up the score in places like NY and Cali. Kind of the point of the electoral college.
y2h
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Meanwhile Biden and the Dems are turning America into a dumpster fire.
If you are going to support him in the primary, we are going to part ways sharply.
But speaking of gaslighting, tell me which of these things is false:
Trump alleged the election was stolen by fraud, i.e. by fraud that changed the outcome of the election and he claimed he had evidence of - that he never provided in over 60 court cases.
On Jan 6, he continued the stolen rhetoric and when several hundred of his supporters attacked the Capitol police and engaged in a riot in his name, he was silent for several hours, and when he did speak, it was out of both sides of his mouth: "Please stop and go home in peace. But I understand why you are rioting."
He undermined the confidence of voters in Georgia during the senate election, suppressing the vote because many felt their vote wouldn't matter, which resulted in the election of Warnock, which delivered the 50th vote for the Dems in the senate, which allowed for Biden to spend about 9T dollars which is a primary driver of our inflationary economy and enabled the passage of green new deal energy policy principles which is causing the country severe pain.
Now, gaslighting is saying things that are patently false and trying to drive someone crazy until they accept it. Is that what I am doing? Or perhaps you are suggesting that I have succumbed to gaslighting.
Either way, you need to grow up and stop mischaractrizimg things like a child to avoid some truths you don't want to acknowledge.
Harrycrane
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He’s the angriest man in
Politics and he feeds the angry aggrieved base who are even angrier after some losses in a few states they thought they would win . He is still peddling this “ I am with poor forgotten victims and will fight for the victims , the discriminated against, the people who are “coming for your culture guns and religion . Trump is on a losing streak and is a loser at his core as a human . . If this is what you put out there again ? You will get what you deserve . Another loss .
Still say he won’t run because he only wants to grift some more , try to avoid prosecution and legal issues and then will drop out and start attacking and burning as much down on his way out as possible . It’s about money , trying to avoid legal issues and trying to get revenge on those who he feels wronged him by lighting matches and sprinkling lighter fluid flicking his tiny thumbs and then skulking back to Mara Lago an older bitter
Loser
boothmark77
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Any chance if Trump does not win the Republican nomination, he runs as an Independent?
y2h
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You've succumbed. He never got to court, the cases were dismissed out of hand. The courts were running scared from the perception they decided the election.
He said to protest peacefully in his speech. The assault on the Capitol was pre-planned by anti government malcontents, not inspired by Trumps speech.
He didn't suppress any vote. People who wanted to vote did so. Warnock won because the Georgia electorate fell for the same gaslighting. See the runoff there this year.
Yeah I support him based on his policy and track record of attempting to deliver to the best of his ability. I'll enthusiastically support who ever the nominee is...conservatives have to be back in power to right the ship, otherwise we are headed right into the iceberg.
But hey sit out the next election if Trump is the nominee just don't complain when we get 4 more years of Biden.
I've been defending his policies which I think are quite good. As for the man and his personal behavior I and other Trump "supporters" on Yappi have repeatedly been critical.
You seem to struggle with the idea that we conservatives can like Trump's policies but not his behavior. This is likely due to your deranged hatred of all things Trump.
While I have no doubt Trump can be spiteful he seems to hate losing even more. As a 3rd party candidate he would likely come in third place and lose badly in the general election.
If he can't win the GOP nomination I suspect (hope) he would be attracted to the consolation prize of helping the republicans beat Biden & the democrats. In his soul Trump knows that Biden and his democrat policies are terrible for the country. Denying Biden a 2nd term as opposed to guaranteeing him one should appeal to the orange bastard.
But it motivates him to work harder.
Summary of Trump's speech....America sucks and only I can make you feel better with my grievance and revenge.
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Trump's low-energy reset
Trump has done this schtick so many times before that he seemed bored by the text.
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I agree … but I am not an egotistical narcissist … so doubt if Trump thinks this way!
y2h
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You guys are so transparent.Summary of Trump's speech....America sucks and only I can make you feel better with my grievance and revenge.
Trump's low-energy reset
Trump has done this schtick so many times before that he seemed bored by the text.
Conservatives mock Biden as low energy. Dems think hey let's use that on Trump!
Meanwhile Trump spoke for over an hour. Biden can barely manage to answer a couple questions.
I disagree with Trumpers. Its a judgment call. My judgment is that Trump is a massive net negative when it comes to, what should be the most important thing - winning elections. I think he disqualified himself and did harm to the country with his stop the steal rhetoric and his reaction to the riot. I think he has harmed the country with meddling in elections by pushing candidates that were hard sells to people who think Trump is an idiot - those independents and swing voters and that opened the door for the real idiots to run this country into the ground. Trump has presided over or been involved in 3 straight elections: 18, 20, and 22 and those resulted in Dems increasing their power or not losing it as they should have.
You can be "right" and faithful to Bad Orange Man or you you can win elections. Pick one.
Now, I can come up with all kinds of reasons and rationales that would allow for someone to support BOM and come to the conclusion that he is a net positive. So, those people aren't crazy or stupid - they are just wrong. And the last 3 elections prove it.
So, this bullshite that I've succumbed to gaslighting from the Left and should sit out the next election is a kind of stupid I can't fix. But maybe another election loss is what it will take.
My point would be that we have very good alternatives that will do everything good the Old Orange Bastard can do without the political retardation that comes with him.
But I will give the Trumpers an A+ for loyalty.
You can be "right" and faithful to Bad Orange Man or you you can win elections. Pick one.
Now, I can come up with all kinds of reasons and rationales that would allow for someone to support BOM and come to the conclusion that he is a net positive. So, those people aren't crazy or stupid - they are just wrong. And the last 3 elections prove it.
So, this bullshite that I've succumbed to gaslighting from the Left and should sit out the next election is a kind of stupid I can't fix. But maybe another election loss is what it will take.
My point would be that we have very good alternatives that will do everything good the Old Orange Bastard can do without the political retardation that comes with him.
But I will give the Trumpers an A+ for loyalty.
Mean Machine
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They don’t care about facts. Trump hates the same people that they hate. They will stick with Trump even if he destroys the party. Totally ignorant but accurate.
nutsnbolts
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I have posted a few times before that I have long considered Trump to be a self-promoting jackazz.
I have posted many times that Trump was a much better president than Oblama or FJB.
Sober and rational people who do not hate America know that both statements are true.
Negating some of the BULLS....the freeloaders of the socialist far left Democratic Party are attempting to spew to save their corpse puppet president who will go down in flames.
FACT #1.>
Biden approval ticks closer to lowest level of his presidency
NOV. 16, 2022U.S. President Joe Biden's public approval rating dipped to 37% in a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Tuesday, edging closer to the lowest level of his presidency.
The two-day national poll found that Americans' approval of Biden's job performance had dropped by two percentage points from a week earlier.
Biden's persistent unpopularity drove expectations that Republicans would decisively win control of the U.S. House of Representatives in Nov. 8 midterm elections. But with votes still being counted a week later, Republicans were only on track for a slim majority in the House. Democrats won enough U.S. Senate races to keep control of the Senate.
Taking office in January 2021 in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, Biden's term has been marked by the economic scars of the global health crisis, including soaring inflation. This year, his approval rating drifted as low as 36% in May and June.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, conducted online in English throughout the United States, gathered responses from 1,005 adults, including 450 Democrats and 368 Republicans. It has a credibility interval - a measure of precision - of 4 percentage points either way.
–Jason Lange
REUTERS CORRESP
Fact #2.
"Under my plan for the economy, we’ve made extraordinary progress," the president claimed. "And put America in the position to tackle a worldwide problem that’s worse everywhere but here."
"However, Biden’s claim does not appear to be supported by the data.
According to economic data from April 2022, the U.S. inflation rate of 8.3% was one of the highest in the developed world, dwarfing Japan, France, Germany, Britain, Italy and Canada.
In May, the United Kingdom surpassed the United States on the inflation leader board, but the American inflation rate still grew to 8.6%.
Now, just one month later, Americans are facing down a wholesale inflation rate of 10.8% that is putting even more pressure on people’s wallets."
Fact # 3.
APRIL 2022: WORST MONTH ON RECORD FOR ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS
Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Print this Page Share by EmailWashington, May 31, 2022 | Kyle Amato (202-225-2476)
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Congressman Glenn Grothman (WI-06) released the following statement after U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) released the number of encounters at the Southwest border for the month of April.
“The number of migrants attempting to illegally cross our Southern border is reaching staggering levels,” said Grothman. “An estimated 234,088 illegal migrants were encountered at the Southwest border in April, the highest monthly total in the history of the Department of Homeland Security.
“Of the record number of migrants illegally crossing the border, an estimated 184,000 were released and remain in the interior of the United States. The 117,989 recorded ‘humanitarian releases’ represent an increase of 47 percent from March and we saw roughly an additional 8,600 unaccompanied children released to sponsors. This is on top of the estimated 58,000 got-aways who dodged Border Patrol altogether.
“CBP officials have informed me that they’re not just seeing individuals from Mexico and Northern Triangle countries, they have seen people from over 140 different countries attempting to cross the border illegally. These migrants likely wouldn’t be paying cartels $10,000 to $20,000 per person to be sent to the United States if they weren’t positive they would be let into the country. Under President Biden, the means to bypass our immigration system without identification or a sufficient background check is far too straightforward and well-known across the globe. This is severely threatening to our national security.
“Encouraging lawlessness along the border only benefits Cartels who are lining their pockets through well-coordinated human smuggling and drug trafficking operations. Fentanyl bears the lion’s share of responsibility for the United States surpassing 107,000 drug overdose deaths in 2021, a record-high. Some may consider drug trafficking and sales a victimless crime, but that doesn’t make the friends and relatives of the over 100,000 Americans who died feel any less painful. Without a dramatic shift in policy, the deadly drugs of Mexican cartels will continue killing Americans. I beg President Biden and the leaders of the Majority parties in both the Senate and House to take action to secure the southern border.
“Even in the face of a historic crisis, the Biden White House remains committed to ending Title 42, which will only bring more illegal aliens and deadly drugs to the border.”
Fact #4.
The ‘Red State Murder Problem’? That’s Just a Democratic-Driven Myth.
By Marc A. ThiessenThe Washington Post
October 20, 2022
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With Republicans hammering them over rising murder rates, Democrats have come up with a new line of defense: Republicans, they claim, are the ones really responsible for the surge in homicides. The United States, California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) recently declared, has a “red state murder problem.”
No, it doesn’t. The bogus claim comes from a March study by the Democratic think tank Third Way, which purports to show that, contrary to “the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states.” According to Third Way, of the top 10 states with the highest per-capita murder rates in 2020, eight (Missouri, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi and Arkansas) voted for Donald Trump, while just two (New Mexico and Georgia) voted for Joe Biden. “Republicans seem to do a much better job of talking about stopping crime than stopping crime,” Jim Kessler, an author of the report, told Axios.
One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.
Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities — St. Louis and Kansas City — both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the “deadliest U.S. cities” using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri’s homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.
The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state’s murder rate would significantly drop.
That’s not all. Tennessee’s homicide rate was driven up by Democratic-run Memphis, which ranked ninth in the country with 29.21 homicides per 100,000 residents. Also powering the state’s murder rate: then-Democratic-led Chattanooga (No. 29) with 18.15 murders per 100,000 in 2019 (note: the city elected an independent in 2021); Democratic-run Nashville (No. 59) with 12.08 per 100,000; and Democratic-run Knoxville (No. 62) with 11.66 per 100,000.
The same goes for other red states: In Alabama, Democratic-run Birmingham, which ranked third with 50.62 murders per 100,000 citizens, drove up the state murder rate, as did Democratic-run Tuscaloosa (No. 21) with 20.77 per 100,000. Kentucky’s murder rate was run up by its largest city, Democratic-run Louisville, which had the 46th-highest murder rate in 2019, with 13.92 homicides per 100,000 residents. Arkansas’s rate was driven up by Democratic-run Little Rock, the capital and largest city, which had the 24th-highest murder rate with 19.15 homicides per 100,000 residents. Mississippi’s was driven up by the homicides in its Democratic-run capital Jackson, which had a murder rate of 46.5 per 100,000 in 2019.
See a pattern here?
Third Way also claims that 3 of the 5 states with the largest increase in murder rate between 2019 and 2021 were “decidedly rural” red states — “Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%.” Sounds terrible. Here’s what they left out: According to FBI data, Wyoming had a grand total of 13 murders in 2019, or 2.2 per 100,000 residents, while South Dakota had 17 and Nebraska had 45. So even if Wyoming’s murder rate nearly doubled, it still saw fewer than 30 murders in 2021. What else are these red states missing besides large murder numbers? Large, crime-ridden, Democratic-run cities.
Third Way does not provide city-by-city data for 2020 in its report, perhaps because this would undermine its red state murder narrative. But the Manhattan Institute’s Rafael Mangual gathered data on the 2020 murder rates in the 50 largest U.S. cities — 34 of which had Democratic mayors, while 14 were led by Republicans (two were led by independents). “The homicide rate in the blue cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities,” he found.
And in a May report, his Manhattan Institute colleagues Robert VerBruggen and Christos Makridis examined the growth in the homicide rate per capita in the largest U.S. counties between 2019 and 2020 — and then compared the rates in GOP-leaning and Democratic-leaning counties. They found that “counties with higher shares of GOP voters have a much lower homicide death rate and a lower number of deaths in 2020” and “also a lower growth in homicide rates.”
To argue, as Third Way does, that “murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states” — without pointing out that those rates are driven by the slaughter taking place in Democratic-voting blue cities — is intentionally misleading.
The fact is, the red state murder problem is really a red state murder myth.
y2h
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Hey we have alternatives. That's great. We are dealing with if Trump is the nominee which is a very real possibility. You and a few others have said you won't vote for him, in essence you are voting for Biden whether you cast a ballot that way or not. You are right, winning is important which is why I don't understand the petty nonsense. Vote for Desantis or whoever in the primary but if Trump is the guy i dont see how you can cast a ballot any other way. Is 4 more years of loudmouth uncouth Trump better than 4 more of Biden? Anyone who considers themselves conservative would have to reply affirmatively.
As for rhetoric about the 2020 election it should have been strongly criticized. The Dems took advantage of a manufactured crisis and FUBARed the election.
Mean Machine
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And yet ironically Trump and his people hate America. People that love America don't s*it on the Capitol and throw a two year tantrum because they lost. Saying Trump loves America like saying Chris Christie is thin.
I will try to fix that. I will not vote for him IN THE PRIMARY.
If the binary choice is BOM and Brandon Babbles, I'm voting for BOM. Where you got the idea I wouldn't is beyond me. You conjured it and made some wild assumption to get there.
The only politician I am irrational about is our little fake conservative governor. Lol.
My opposition to Trump has nothing to do with conservatism. It has to do with political wisdom. Incessantly talking about the 2020 election is nitwit politics. Have to let it go. Certainly push to get rid of all the nonsense ballot harvesting and months of voting, but do that to increase confidence in future elections, not to make some kind of argument that BOM won the election he lost. That is how to lose future elections.
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Guillotine
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Glad you posted this.
I think several here didn't understand you're simply explaining why you won't support him in the primary, but you will in the general. I'm in the same boat.
Sometimes you get a little windy. lol
No. Me? Windy? Lol.