You can see how this contradicts right?
Going into the 2020 seeds, tOSU looked to end up in 3rd, w/ a chance to grab 2nd from PSU or drop to 4th behind NEB.
5 years ago we won the B10s & we were fighting for the NCAA championship and ended up 2nd. 4 years ago we finish 2nd in B10s & 2nd in NCAAs. 3 years ago we were 3rd in B10s and per seeds were ranked 3rd (and close to 2nd) at NCAAs (cancelled). Granted, the last 2 seasons weren't what we were use to, but the "5 year" statement is ludicrous.
I understand bdhof.
BDHOF we all knew you see everything thru your scarlet colored glasses. Which is fine. That's what true fans do. However, outsiders see a different version of your Buckeyes. The facts remain Ryan has not lived up to the talent he brings into the room. You can spout Big 10 this and placers that. All of that is nice. Bottom line is to win an NCAA championship. Period. Do you think Penn State cares if they won the Big 10's this year? Answer is hell no because that is not the goal. I'm not here to argue with you because you will NEVER see it because you are a fan. I have said it for 5 years. It may be time to look at WHY can't the Buckeye wrestlers improve? Endurance, can't score and can't escape. All issues over the last 5 years with several wrestlers over the last half decade. Those are the facts. As I stated with last years class and now this years, I would put Ryan on the clock to bring home at least 1 NCAA championship in the next 3 years. 4 years if he decides to red shirt this class. Just how I see it.
With the transfer portal, NIL, Olympic and medical RS's, it makes ZERO sense to redshirt wrestlers who are ready to wrestle and are the best you have. It's mind boggling to me that people still think that old school mentality still makes sense.
I guess if the only goal is to win NCAAs then 70+ coaches need to be fired.
JS has his critics for sure. OKST hasn't been close to as good as OSU for a decade or so.
Short memories in CBUS for sure.
I agree that a NCAA title is a "more than reasonable goal." I just don't think you fire Ryan b/c they don't accomplish that goal. Unless we're hiring Cael, we would be moving in the wrong direction. What we're seeing @ PSU is what we saw at Iowa during the Gable era where he won 15 NCAA titles, including 9 in a row to begin his tenure. I expect Cael to pass Gable at some time (currently at 9 titles) and go down in history as the GOAT NCAA coach once he reaches his 16 championship. That distinction will go well w/ his status as GOAT NCAA wrestler.
I agree that tOSU hires too much from w/in - all or mostly all former tOSU wrestlers and changing that could benefit the program. If you're saying anything other than a NCAA title is a failed year, I disagree. If you're saying a 9th or 13th place finish is a failed year, I would agree given our recent success. I remember the days when tOSU wrestling wasn't worth following - and I didn't follow it. I wrestled in the MAC (early 70s) when tOSU wouldn't have been one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the MAC. That didn't change until the earl 90s when they strung together 3 top 5 finishes (4th, 5th, & 5th). A couple more top 10 performances preceded the Ryan era in the early 2000s (6th & 3rd). Since Ryan took over we've had 3 B10 titles (the first since 1951), an NCAA title (first ever), 5 NCAA 2nds, a 3rd and 6 other top 10 finishes. Anything other than a title run or top 2 or 3 is a disappointment.
LOL!!!!!!!!!! THE #1 OSU sport IS and ALWAYS will be football. By saying anything less than an NCAA title is a failed year is ludicrous. If it's a failed year in wrestling it would obviously be a failed year in football. Come down from the clouds. IF we were BIG champs every 2-3 years I think that would be success. IF that happened the NCAA crown would take care of its self.
Feldman disagrees that we have no shot at any 197 or heavys
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Excuse me, we are a synchronized (artistic) swimming team. 33 national titles.
Only top 5 for tennis, time to fire that guy.
If you pay attention to the football fan boards, the CFP is pretty much the baseline expectation for what is acceptable anymore for an Ohio State season. And quite frankly that is a more than reasonable baseline given Ohio State's football infrastructure and position within the college football ecosystem. There is a group of apologists who try to taper down from that baseline, but I think the CFP is a prevailing baseline within the Ohio State fanbase for football.
But it's really not. How many teams have an "expectation" of making the F4 every year in football? Alabama, Oklahoma, LSU, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio St, Michigan, and I'm probably missing one or two. Teams like Notre Dame, USC, Texas A&M, and Auburn probably expect to be right around there as well. That's like 10 teams expecting to be in the top four every year, which is totally ridiculous and obviously not possible.