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I could be wrong but I think the oldest DA is done June 1. They won’t qualify for The tournament.
Neither will the oldest OE girls.
I could be wrong but I think the oldest DA is done June 1. They won’t qualify for The tournament.
Neither will the oldest OE girls.
That’s a shame. Rewind two years and both teams were either winning National Championships ( CUP ) or vying for one ( OE U16). BP leaving, the demise of the CUP brand, formation of the DA and soccerlics ( soccer politics) all combined to usher in today’s issues with both clubs competing on the National stage.
Seems to me with the addition of DA that more players are being seen on a national level.
Has every club reached full maturity and all of them running stable operations now?
No mergers, player movement, new clubs, 'hurting clubs', financial problems.
Other than elite fc (2nd year?) adding girls, i guess everyone is great!
happy Cincinnati
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DA is like Charmin.
I could be wrong but I think the oldest DA is done June 1. They won’t qualify for The tournament.
I think they will qualify. What makes you think a team like that won't. My youngest daughter will soon be at that level. It was when we moved from Toledo to the Bay area.
Well, the ones that were also playing OE and OP aren't done yet... And I heard that the local team is letting the oldest kids play high school too next year? Is that true?Because they didn’t qualify. They are done for the year.
Well, the ones that were also playing OE and OP aren't done yet... And I heard that the local team is letting the oldest kids play high school too next year? Is that true?
Well, the ones that were also playing OE and OP aren't done yet... And I heard that the local team is letting the oldest kids play high school too next year? Is that true?
Two years ago, the Indy Fire DA let their girls play high school.
Yeah and then the next year they left the DA and went back to ECNL.
Similar story could be said for CUP, KHA, and OE locally. CUP and KHA were arguably the dominant clubs across the vast majority of age groups (with minor exception). DA comes along and more or less decimates CUP and KHA, then DA withers with better players leaving for OE.... now CUP is a glimmer of what it once was and heaven knows where the heck KHA is... Oddly enough, OE still is really not that competitive.Yeah, it actually changed the Indiana Club hierarchy. Indy Fire was somewhat successful in ECNL at multiple age groups, FC Pride had one team in National League (2001), the rest were mired in various mid level of MRL Premier II or lower, with other clubs like Indy Premier.
When Fire went DA a bunch of girl left for FC Pride. Pride is now more successful in ECN.
Similar story could be said for CUP, KHA, and OE locally. CUP and KHA were arguably the dominant clubs across the vast majority of age groups (with minor exception). DA comes along and more or less decimates CUP and KHA, then DA withers with better players leaving for OE.... now CUP is a glimmer of what it once was and heaven knows where the heck KHA is... Oddly enough, OE still is really not that competitive.
#debacle
Similar story could be said for CUP, KHA, and OE locally. CUP and KHA were arguably the dominant clubs across the vast majority of age groups (with minor exception). DA comes along and more or less decimates CUP and KHA, then DA withers with better players leaving for OE.... now CUP is a glimmer of what it once was and heaven knows where the heck KHA is... Oddly enough, OE still is really not that competitive.
#debacle
What's competitive? Final four, top 10, 25? OE as a club has finished in the top 25 in the ECNL for the three years I've been around. I usually have to break that out for coachg a couple times of year. We could argue CUP/KHA dominance vs OE but that just leads to a bunch of vitriolic posts from Buck and dumb responses from coach.
Overall Ohio (And ostensibly the Ohio South/Cincy area) finishes around the top 5 in the country in D1 commits per capita. If you think area clubs aren't competitive it's probably you, not the clubs.
04 FC Pride came to play the 04 DA team and put up 5 on them in quick order.
Internationals brought their 05 team to play the DA 04 team and their 06 team to play the DA's 05 team.
Have not heard much outside of that. I did talk with an 04 parent who told me In order to play more competitive games than what's available in the DA the 04 team is scheduled to play some ECNL friendlies next season.
as it's always been in Cincinnati, there are too many clubs and the players are just spread too thin across them. Go look at Regional results (USYSA) of the Ohio South teams and you can pretty much see that once outside of Ohio South, our "best" don't compete well with most everyone else's "best". I don't purport to have answers, but it has been a long-standing problem that CUP and some others tried to solve way back when CUSL was formed ("Cincinnati UNITED Soccer League") but ego's and politics always get in the way of good soccer.
I would argue the other way. Not enough clubs and the ones we have are too big.
Average European club is 200 players -- from youth to first team. There's no such thing as a 2,000+ club. Definitely no 13,000+ club (North Carolina FC, Charlotte Independence, Tampa Bay, etc.).
There should be one incredible league in Cincinnati and no one really needs to travel outside the city/area (including NKY) to compete. With the amount of kids playing, travel is ludicrous. Sure, it's okay to have a team that may compete at the regional/national level, but that should be very limited.
It's a reasonable argument, and on your second point, I would say we are already there and I completely agree there should be one league that is 'well run' with all the clubs having a relatively equal say in how it is run. I have seen two iterations of attempts made but right now between two national organizations, State Leagues, multi-level regional leagues (Do we really need 3 or more divisions in a Regional League?), ECNL, NPL, 3 or more choices of select leagues in Cincinnati alone, we are headed the wrong direction. If a team can't consistently beat every team in their city, then why play teams outside of it? $$$
On your first point, it is hard to compare. Those 200 player clubs usually have a first team that is helping fund those youth teams because they are a professional team. Very rare in the US. We have different problems IMO to solve. Last check I think there were around 50 clubs in Cincinnati that had some level of "select" soccer. I still would argue that is too many and keeps the area from putting competitive teams on the field at Regional events.
Or....one could fairly reasonably argue that the current system here in the states works pretty darn well. I mean the ECNL started what 12 years ago, and for the last 6+ years our ladies have been the best in the world. Other than Jilly getting out coached in the Olympics.
Maybe they should follow our model. And how many of the younger foreign players are playing or did play college ball against so many top level ECNL girls?
Food for thought...
Or....one could fairly reasonably argue that the current system here in the states works pretty darn well. I mean the ECNL started what 12 years ago, and for the last 6+ years our ladies have been the best in the world. Other than Jilly getting out coached in the Olympics.
Maybe they should follow our model. And how many of the younger foreign players are playing or did play college ball against so many top level ECNL girls?
Food for thought...
Or....one could fairly reasonably argue that the current system here in the states works pretty darn well. I mean the ECNL started what 12 years ago, and for the last 6+ years our ladies have been the best in the world. Other than Jilly getting out coached in the Olympics.
Maybe they should follow our model. And how many of the younger foreign players are playing or did play college ball against so many top level ECNL girls?
Food for thought...