Trump will remain President

Harrycrane

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As an intellectual project, it was pretty much a bust. For instance, Julius Krein started a journal, American Affairs, with the goal of providing an intellectual framework for Trumpism. As I noted at the launch, coming up with a coherent and consistent ideological program for a president who, as a point of pride, eschews ideological coherence and consistency is an impossible balancing act. Either you defend the ideas or you defend the man. You can't really do both, because Trumpism was never an ideological phenomenon but a psychological one.
Other outlets tried the same thing and ended up simply becoming cheerleaders and "Trumpsplainers," starting with the conclusion Trump is right and then working backward to prove it.


Now, in the wake of Trump's defeat, the project to create Trumpism-without-Trump has been reborn as electoral analysis. Trump supporters claim that he bequeathed to the right and the country the makings of a new, multiethnic workers party.

It's a convenient conclusion for those who've argued that "Republican elites" were too "stubbornly moored to laissez-faire fundamentalism and limited government as an end in itself," in the words of Newsweek's Josh Hammer, who contends "it is the Republican Party that disproportionately represents a multiethnic, non-college-educated working class."
There's obviously some truth to this. The erosion of the old Franklin D. Roosevelt coalition, with the white working class migrating toward Republicans and college-educated suburbanites inching toward Democrats, has been a trend for decades. Trump accelerated these trends. What was new — and surprising — was how Democrats lost ground with people of color, particularly Latino people.
But this theory seems like another case of starting with the conclusion and reasoning backward.
First, contrary to the hype, Trump's performance with Black voters and even Latino voters wasn't so earth-shattering.



Trump received 12 percent of the Black vote, 32 percent of the Latino vote and 34 percent of the Asian American vote. In 2004, George W. Bush received 11 percent of the Black vote and 44 percent of both the Latino and Asian American votes. An increase of 1 percent among Black voters and a double-digit decrease among Latino and Asian voters isn't exactly a seismic event.
Moreover, there's little in Trump's record that suggests his support among voters had much to do with pro-worker policies. Deregulation, conservative judicial appointments, corporate and income tax cuts: This is ambrosia for the "Zombie Reaganite" elites — the kind who are "stubbornly moored to laissez-faire fundamentalism and limited government."
The most aggressive policy Trump pushed in the name of the American worker was protectionism, which ended up hurting more workers than helping, and made free trade more popular.
In short, the problem with seeing the Trump coalition as the foundation of Trumpism-without-Trump rests on the same misdiagnosis of intellectual Trumpism. It assumes there's more to Trumpism than his entertainment value, his thumb-in-the-eye attacks on the media and his stoking of resentment. That's a hard model to replicate.
Who among the current 2024 GOP hopefuls could fill one of his rallies? I mean, Mike Pence could repeat Trump's lines — just as I could sing Beyonce's songs — but that doesn't mean people will show up to listen.
From the outset, Trump's 2016 coalition was a minority coalition in terms of the popular vote, but it was almost perfectly distributed to take the Electoral College. It might have worked again in 2020, except that Trump ignited an anti-Trump coalition much larger than the pro-Trump one. Going forward, the demographics of the electorate are moving in the wrong direction for the GOP.
 

gneiss rocks

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So the rest of the country, world, and history, doesn't remember him as the most mentally unfit POTUS in American history. Though too late for that frankly. May as well go full retard at this point. And grift every last cent from you people.
He got many more votes than any other president, including Obama.
No other president could bring a crowd and entertain them for 2 hours without a script, not anywhere close!
Highest approval and voting percentage from minorities by any republican in our lifetime.
All this with the media putting constant negative propaganda against Trump.
His achievements and hard work are the best of any president.
Highest support (by republican voters) of any president in history.

He will likely go down in history as the greatest president of the this and the last century.
 

I enjoy wrestling

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He got many more votes than any other president, including Obama.
No other president could bring a crowd and entertain them for 2 hours without a script, not anywhere close!
Highest approval and voting percentage from minorities by any republican in our lifetime.
All this with the media putting constant negative propaganda against Trump.
His achievements and hard work are the best of any president.
Highest support (by republican voters) of any president in history.

He will likely go down in history as the greatest president of the this and the last century.
He may still be, Hope
 

theterribletowel

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He got many more votes than any other president, including Obama.
No other president could bring a crowd and entertain them for 2 hours without a script, not anywhere close!
Highest approval and voting percentage from minorities by any republican in our lifetime.
All this with the media putting constant negative propaganda against Trump.
His achievements and hard work are the best of any president.
Highest support (by republican voters) of any president in history.

He will likely go down in history as the greatest president of the this and the last century.
Negative propaganda? The vast majority of the news reported about trump has been 100% true
 

winbypin

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As an intellectual project, it was pretty much a bust. For instance, Julius Krein started a journal, American Affairs, with the goal of providing an intellectual framework for Trumpism. As I noted at the launch, coming up with a coherent and consistent ideological program for a president who, as a point of pride, eschews ideological coherence and consistency is an impossible balancing act. Either you defend the ideas or you defend the man. You can't really do both, because Trumpism was never an ideological phenomenon but a psychological one.
Other outlets tried the same thing and ended up simply becoming cheerleaders and "Trumpsplainers," starting with the conclusion Trump is right and then working backward to prove it.

Now, in the wake of Trump's defeat, the project to create Trumpism-without-Trump has been reborn as electoral analysis. Trump supporters claim that he bequeathed to the right and the country the makings of a new, multiethnic workers party.

It's a convenient conclusion for those who've argued that "Republican elites" were too "stubbornly moored to laissez-faire fundamentalism and limited government as an end in itself," in the words of Newsweek's Josh Hammer, who contends "it is the Republican Party that disproportionately represents a multiethnic, non-college-educated working class."
There's obviously some truth to this. The erosion of the old Franklin D. Roosevelt coalition, with the white working class migrating toward Republicans and college-educated suburbanites inching toward Democrats, has been a trend for decades. Trump accelerated these trends. What was new — and surprising — was how Democrats lost ground with people of color, particularly Latino people.
But this theory seems like another case of starting with the conclusion and reasoning backward.
First, contrary to the hype, Trump's performance with Black voters and even Latino voters wasn't so earth-shattering.



Trump received 12 percent of the Black vote, 32 percent of the Latino vote and 34 percent of the Asian American vote. In 2004, George W. Bush received 11 percent of the Black vote and 44 percent of both the Latino and Asian American votes. An increase of 1 percent among Black voters and a double-digit decrease among Latino and Asian voters isn't exactly a seismic event.
Moreover, there's little in Trump's record that suggests his support among voters had much to do with pro-worker policies. Deregulation, conservative judicial appointments, corporate and income tax cuts: This is ambrosia for the "Zombie Reaganite" elites — the kind who are "stubbornly moored to laissez-faire fundamentalism and limited government."
The most aggressive policy Trump pushed in the name of the American worker was protectionism, which ended up hurting more workers than helping, and made free trade more popular.
In short, the problem with seeing the Trump coalition as the foundation of Trumpism-without-Trump rests on the same misdiagnosis of intellectual Trumpism. It assumes there's more to Trumpism than his entertainment value, his thumb-in-the-eye attacks on the media and his stoking of resentment. That's a hard model to replicate.
Who among the current 2024 GOP hopefuls could fill one of his rallies? I mean, Mike Pence could repeat Trump's lines — just as I could sing Beyonce's songs — but that doesn't mean people will show up to listen.
From the outset, Trump's 2016 coalition was a minority coalition in terms of the popular vote, but it was almost perfectly distributed to take the Electoral College. It might have worked again in 2020, except that Trump ignited an anti-Trump coalition much larger than the pro-Trump one. Going forward, the demographics of the electorate are moving in the wrong direction for the GOP.
Link? Because no way this is your original work. Too many big words spelled correctly to be the work of the hairball. But a solid copy and paste.
 

gneiss rocks

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Negative propaganda? The vast majority of the news reported about trump has been 100% true
They say the same thing in north Korea about the positive news on their leader. This is a great example of how good it works.

Too bad the 3 years of nonstop Russian collusion thing was all a lie from a Russian spy paid for by Hillary (how many billions of hours of propaganda was put out there consumed by you guys) ...some of you actually believed it and according to the conclusion..."We have found no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign colluded or coordinated with anyone from the Russian government" ...
Ouch, you feel a bit silly now, don't you?
That is just one of the thousands of endless lies.
 
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gobluetom

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They say the same thing in north Korea about the positive news on their leader. This is a great example of how good it works.

Too bad the 3 years of nonstop Russian collusion thing was all a lie from a Russian spy paid for by Hillary (how many billions of hours of propaganda was put out there consumed by you guys) ...some of you actually believed it and according to the conclusion..."We have found no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign colluded or coordinated with anyone from the Russian government" ...
Ouch, you feel a bit silly now, don't you?
That is just one of the thousands of endless lies.
Quit pointing out facts, leftists hate those(it kills their bs narratives)
 

theterribletowel

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They say the same thing in north Korea about the positive news on their leader. This is a great example of how good it works.

Too bad the 3 years of nonstop Russian collusion thing was all a lie from a Russian spy paid for by Hillary (how many billions of hours of propaganda was put out there consumed by you guys) ...some of you actually believed it and according to the conclusion..."We have found no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign colluded or coordinated with anyone from the Russian government" ...
Ouch, you feel a bit silly now, don't you?
That is just one of the thousands of endless lies.
You are the one who should feel silly. The ties to Russia and the Trump campaign has been proven time and time again.
 

y2h

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Wow. If all of you extremists, on both sides, could just take 2 or 3 steps toward the middle, the country would be much better off. Whatever happened to reasonable, intelligent people that have the ability to see shades of grey in every issue, and compromise a little?
When one side believes the country is evil from the founding and wants to " fundamentally transform" it it's a little hard to find compromise 🤷‍♂️
 

TrueEagle

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He got many more votes than any other president, including Obama.
No other president could bring a crowd and entertain them for 2 hours without a script, not anywhere close!
Highest approval and voting percentage from minorities by any republican in our lifetime.
All this with the media putting constant negative propaganda against Trump.
His achievements and hard work are the best of any president.
Highest support (by republican voters) of any president in history.

He will likely go down in history as the greatest president of the this and the last century.
Wow! Are you really this stupid. Trump will probably be considered the worst and most divisive president in American History. How can you be so completely out of it?
 

Levi

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Wow! Are you really this stupid. Trump will probably be considered the worst and most divisive president in American History. How can you be so completely out of it?
Five of the previous six were infinitely worse than Trump could ever dream to be. I get it "mean" tweets trump policy.
 

y2h

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Some are calling the attack the cyber equivalent of Pearl Harbor. Trump is silent because he does not Vlad to release the pee tape.


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This goof is still pouting about a legal election that he lost. Anyone who thinks this buffoon cares about the average American needs their head examined.
You've become unhinged. Pee tape? 😂

Sad to see.

How many deaths in the cyber Pearl Harbor?
 

y2h

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Again, looking forward to the reactions when this same sht takes place on Uncle Joe’s watch lol.
Miraculously no one will die from COVID once Joe is sworn in. Countries will no longer engage in warfare, cyber or otherwise. Divisions will disappear overnight (of course white, wealthy, males will still be evil)
 

y2h

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I'm not on either side of this lunacy. I'm an American who believes in smaller government, capitalism and related policies, and reasonable social programs to help the less fortunate. Label me however it makes you feel comfortable,

For the record I've voted Republican 98% of the time for the 40 years I've been voting. This year was straight Republican ballot for me except for POTUS. Not a big fan of chronic liars. Not a big fan of how the GOP flocked to Trump and handed the keys to the party and platform, simply because they wanted to ride coattails.
Go ahead and join the Dems RINO.

I claim to support conservative ideals but voted for the socialist SJW PC facists because Trump is rude.

What a farce.
 

y2h

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You are a poster child for what is wrong with this country. Trump has created a platform that promotes hate for anyone that disagrees with him and his supporters have fallen in step with his vision. “If you are not with us, you are against us”. The Democratic party is not much better, spending most of their time trying to make anything the Republicans do look bad. Our political country as we have known it is crumbling before our eyes. We need to find middle ground where all 330 million of us can feel like this is our country and we are proud of it. Right now we are a joke to the rest if the world.
Tell the left to stop running on identity politics and the idea America is evil 🤷‍♂️
 

y2h

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Anything is better than the current mental patient...he was managed and then his corruption slowly eliminated all the checks and balances. I would put Biden up against trump in any physical or mental competition. Trump should be removed this week using the 25th. He is corrupt and a useful idiot.
Look up useful idiot and Bidens picture is there. Moron actually thinks hes in charge. 😂 I almost feel sorry for him.
 

y2h

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So the media made up the virus and it's seriousness just to get Trump because he eventually ended up ignoring it ? We have one of these 'Chinese viruses " every couple years and the effects are the same as this one? Yeah she's right .lol Umm I think the American people have spoken concerning their thoughts on his 'leadership ".where this pandemic is concerned . He has lost his job . Hope this helps.
No they didn't make it up. Yes they overstated it.
 
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