Only if you want the fastest times and longest distances in each event...Seek Up said:So, are we going to include Middletown (ha-ha)?
While the conversion and hand-held versus automatic are issues, I am fully against separate lists. Converting times does not cheapen a list in my opinion. My biggest issue would be something like the 100 where, every year, kids run 10.5's and 10.6's during the season and most of them couldn't break 11.00 FAT if their life depended on it. I will side with the majority, but I feel the number of conversions will be minimal for an average events top 25.Lancermania said:Kurt Francis was doing an all time top 25 for Cincy in 1995 but never finished it. I know he got stuff from Andy Wolf and Steve Spencer. I have an all time top 25 for La Salle I could email you.
skins, let make it 25 deep. I've been toying with this idea for years. I had about ten events completed before my computer crashed and I lost it all. I was so ticked off I never started the project over.
Here are my questions:
What about yards? I am against converting times. I was going to maintain separate lists.
What about fully automatic times? Should they be the only ones considered. I say we need separate lists for FAT and hand held times. Should you consider dual or tri-meets where the timers are questionable?
We need to do three top tens:
One for yards.
One for hand held times.
One for fully automatic times.
The top four times in the Dayton regional in 2000 for the 1600 would improve at least 2 times above and add another couple of individuals (I believe).Lancermania said:Here is a tentative FAT 1600 meter run top ten taken only from D1 state meet results. FAT wasn't used until 1981. Updates are requested.
1600 Meter Run FAT
1. 4:10.14 1994 Doug Bockenstette La Salle State 1st
2. 4:11.73 2000 Mason Ward Colerain State 1st
3. 4:11.79 1985 Jim Hedrick Lakota State 2nd
4. 4:14.04 1988 Ritchie Shepard Milford State 2nd
5. 4:14.37 2002 Allen Bader La Salle State 1st
6. 4:14.53 1998 Adam Thomas Fairfield State 2nd
7. 4:14.85 2000 Jerry Claunch Lakota East State 2nd
8. 4:14.86 1987 Shawn Profitt Anderson State 2nd
9. 4:15.15 1984 Jeff Justice Anderson State 5th
10.4:15.33 1995 Dean Fulmer La Salle State 1st
Thanks Seek Up. I updated with regional times. Times were updated for Ward, Bader, and Claunch. Also Padgett was added bumping off Fulmer. Also Adam Thomas had a better regional time in 1998 than his state time.Seek Up said:The top four times in the Dayton regional in 2000 for the 1600 would improve at least 2 times above and add another couple of individuals (I believe).
Mike Page, La Salle's head coach to win its first GCL title in 1980 was a math major. He told me converting times was a proportion problem. For fun, let's convert Reggie's mile time to 1600 meters.Seek Up said:While the conversion and hand-held versus automatic are issues, I am fully against separate lists. Converting times does not cheapen a list in my opinion. My biggest issue would be something like the 100 where, every year, kids run 10.5's and 10.6's during the season and most of them couldn't break 11.00 FAT if their life depended on it. I will side with the majority, but I feel the number of conversions will be minimal for an average events top 25.
skins, let's start with a top ten first, one list converting yard times to meters and hand held to fully automatic. I have done that with the 1600 list above.skins99 said:here is how we will do it. meters and yards records (less runners for yards), we will convert the hand held times through the 400 and down. i could go for the top 25, that shouldnt be two big of a file for excell or spreadsheet.
Dennis Lunne's time in the mile at the regional in 1970 was 4:16.0. Converting that to the 1600 gives him a time of 4:14.45. Converting that to FAT adds 0.24 to the hand-held time giving him a final converstion of 4:14.69. I have added that to the list above.Seek Up said:I can probably be of some assistance - I have a ton of meet results going all the back to the 20s. However, school begins next Monday and I don't have a lot of time. I would be a good auditor for such a project, as would the Masterstatman.
I found Mason Ward's mile time at the Golden West Invitational in 2000. He ran 4:07.2 hand held time in the mile run. That converts to 4:05.94 to 1600 FAT. I have put that one on the 1600 meters list.Seek Up said:The top four times in the Dayton regional in 2000 for the 1600 would improve at least 2 times above and add another couple of individuals (I believe).
Mike Maynard of Greenhills ran a 4:15.5 at the Volunteer Classic in 1978. Off the top of my head I can't recall anyone else who will crack this list with a converted mile time. Don't forget Chris Webb's (Oxford Talawanda) 4:14.23 from state in 1986!!Lancermania said:Mike Page, La Salle's head coach to win its first GCL title in 1980 was a math major. He told me converting times was a proportion problem. For fun, let's convert Reggie's mile time to 1600 meters.
First, we convert both the mile and the 1600 to a common demonminator like inches. The mile is 63360 inches while the 1600 is 62976 inches. Here is the formula:
63360 over 248.5 seconds (4:08:5) = 62976 over X with X being the 1600 time.
63360x = 15649536
X = 246.99393 seconds
To concert this hand held time to FAT you have to add .24 seconds
That would give Reggie a time of 4:07.23
I have added that time to the list above.
Seek Up, can you think of any other good mile times over the years that would make this top ten.
Since you mentioned Talawanda...wouldn't Rhodenbaugh(sp) from a few years ago easily make the list?Seek Up said:Mike Maynard of Greenhills ran a 4:15.5 at the Volunteer Classic in 1978. Off the top of my head I can't recall anyone else who will crack this list with a converted mile time. Don't forget Chris Webb's (Oxford Talawanda) 4:14.23 from state in 1986!!
I intentionaly left off Jeff See, Chris Webb and Jesse Rhodenbaugh because both schools fail to meet two of the three criteria set by the SWOTCCCA. Talawanda goes to a Cincinnati district meet but don't fall within the 30 mile limit nor are they in a league of primarily Cincinnati area schools. They are in the Mid Miami league. Thus, like Middletown, they fail to meet two of the three criteria set by the coaches.Seek Up said:Mike Maynard of Greenhills ran a 4:15.5 at the Volunteer Classic in 1978. Off the top of my head I can't recall anyone else who will crack this list with a converted mile time. Don't forget Chris Webb's (Oxford Talawanda) 4:14.23 from state in 1986!!
Impartial observer, you are hereby selected as a fifth member of the Committee to select the top ten.impartial observer said:Since you mentioned Talawanda...wouldn't Rhodenbaugh(sp) from a few years ago easily make the list?
Chris Webb went 4:14.23 in 1986 for 4th place at state. Since 10th place on our list is now 4:14.04, Webb would not make it anyway but Rhodenbaugh would but is ineligible in my book.Seek Up said:Mike Maynard of Greenhills ran a 4:15.5 at the Volunteer Classic in 1978. Off the top of my head I can't recall anyone else who will crack this list with a converted mile time. Don't forget Chris Webb's (Oxford Talawanda) 4:14.23 from state in 1986!!
Keep in mind that our tenth place on the list is now 4:14.04.Seek Up said:Mike Maynard of Greenhills ran a 4:15.5 at the Volunteer Classic in 1978. Off the top of my head I can't recall anyone else who will crack this list with a converted mile time. Don't forget Chris Webb's (Oxford Talawanda) 4:14.23 from state in 1986!!