Time for OAC to strike

CoachJules

Active member
I concur.

I am not a teacher (I did teach calculus at Akron U while working on my masters). However, I have been working from home since the beginning of March. My wife had to keep going to work. So, I was "saddled" with helping the kids with their online classes each day.

In most homes it was a clusterF&CK between switching between Google Classroom, Khan Academy, Zoom meetings, Gizmodo or whatever it is. On top of that, the kids were not expected to learn/do even HALF of what they normally do.

Also, I have a few family members that are teachers in various school districts. In each of their districts they were told that no matter WHAT the student did during the last grading period (could have ignored EVERYTHING), they were to not get anything lower than the grades they got in the previous/in school grading period.

Meaning if they were a straight C student, and did zero at home, they got C's on the final grading period.

Kids need to be back in school, in class, with their teachers, period.
I heard a few schools that did that, even my school tried to adjust the grading scale so that even a 50% would pass, but we fought that. Of course, doesn't matter, regardless of grades all kids were passed on to next grade and OHSAA is allowing all students to be eligible.
 
I concur.

I am not a teacher (I did teach calculus at Akron U while working on my masters). However, I have been working from home since the beginning of March. My wife had to keep going to work. So, I was "saddled" with helping the kids with their online classes each day.

In most homes it was a clusterF&CK between switching between Google Classroom, Khan Academy, Zoom meetings, Gizmodo or whatever it is. On top of that, the kids were not expected to learn/do even HALF of what they normally do.

Also, I have a few family members that are teachers in various school districts. In each of their districts they were told that no matter WHAT the student did during the last grading period (could have ignored EVERYTHING), they were to not get anything lower than the grades they got in the previous/in school grading period.

Meaning if they were a straight C student, and did zero at home, they got C's on the final grading period.

Kids need to be back in school, in class, with their teachers, period.
The Pandemic can be used as an excuse. But, what caused your school to be lacking? Kid's adapt very well to online learning. Could it be the educational system that lacks the tools? I have Skype communications and office meetings everyday. Have a webinar at 5pm today and they are located in Japan. I understand kids need to be provided a hard learning skill environment. But, do you think the teacher's want to go back to work?

How many districts have sent out notices to all employees about the BLM movement? How many have attended protest but don't want to go back to work? If teacher's go back and we could reform our education to be politically neutral I might agree. But can education as we know it survive? Maybe rural areas, but do you think Columbus,Cincinnati and Cleveland can? Have you driven thru any of those cities? Online learning with clubs is the answer IMO. Does anyone want to send their kids to school where the police are the pariah? I speak my mind and I see big problems.

I feel very badly for the children. They are the losers and need options that offer opportunities. I have ran the gauntlet with my children and it was a wonderful ride. I wish every child happiness and success as the know it. I respect any coach that has his heart in the sport of wrestling. Vigorous debate used to be acceptable. I hope they allow this thread to continue. This is about kids and different opinions.
 

Joe Daugherty

Well-known member
No sanctioning body has allowed sports to happen because the government has precluded them from happening. With no sanctioning body around, that makes insurance a major issue.

If the government was to allow sports to happen, but the schools (i.e. OHSAA) decided not to sponsor/sanction sports, other existing groups (i.e. USAW, USSF, etc.) could choose to sponsor sports. Those other groups have insurance carriers and the such, which would reduce issues with insurance. Being I am far from an expert on the insurance side of things, I don't know the full scope; but what I do know is that the sanctioning bodies tie into insurance coverage. The question would then become what type of facilities would be willing to host events based on their existing policies and relationships (schools, rec centers, private facilities, etc) - and I do agree that would be "all over the place".

Trying to keep this as non-political as possible ...
Should the government deem it safe for sports to happen (outside of the ones that are already happening), sports will happen in some way, shape or form. It may not be within the traditional "school structure", because schools don't want to deal with the politics/liability of sanctioning the activities, or they can't deal with the dissonance b/n having sports and choosing to have hybrid or fully remote educational models. Private groups may have an extended reach compared to their normal role within a calendar year to plug the hole for a public (some of whom) that wish to have sporting activity happen.
Could this be the start of the USA wrestling solely freestyle & Greco? I would vote for that. JMO
 

bucksman

Moderator
Joe D:
Schools would have the choice to open up their facilities. I agree with the two posters below you though that most would choose not to.
City rec departments could choose to open up their facilities, I don't know if they would or wouldn't.
Private businesses seem most likely to open their facilities for clubs, or for that matter clubs to operate out of a private facility. However, there is a clear deficit in private facilities to accommodate club wrestling and events. Similar issues exist for the outdoor sports as well (i.e. baseball, soccer) - there are some private facilities, but there's lots of tie in to city and school-owned spaces.

All this is of course contingent on contact sports being allowed to have competitions again, which is presently not the case. My personal opinion is that competition will be allowed in contact sports for a meaningful chunk of time before schools choose to sponsor interscholastic competition for reasons primarily related to liability/policy.
 

bleedinggreen

New member
The Pandemic can be used as an excuse. But, what caused your school to be lacking? Kid's adapt very well to online learning. Could it be the educational system that lacks the tools? I have Skype communications and office meetings everyday. Have a webinar at 5pm today and they are located in Japan. I understand kids need to be provided a hard learning skill environment. But, do you think the teacher's want to go back to work?

How many districts have sent out notices to all employees about the BLM movement? How many have attended protest but don't want to go back to work? If teacher's go back and we could reform our education to be politically neutral I might agree. But can education as we know it survive? Maybe rural areas, but do you think Columbus,Cincinnati and Cleveland can? Have you driven thru any of those cities? Online learning with clubs is the answer IMO. Does anyone want to send their kids to school where the police are the pariah? I speak my mind and I see big problems.

I feel very badly for the children. They are the losers and need options that offer opportunities. I have ran the gauntlet with my children and it was a wonderful ride. I wish every child happiness and success as the know it. I respect any coach that has his heart in the sport of wrestling. Vigorous debate used to be acceptable. I hope they allow this thread to continue. This is about kids and different opinions.
I had no problems getting my kids to manage and navigate the sites this spring. There was a shortfall on the assignments, but it was short notice for the teachers. I think online education can be excellent. Give the teachers a chance to develop it. With online learning, I can monitor the political bias in the assignments and challenge the beliefs being pushed because I am present. In class, I have no say. This may fix the left bias in our classrooms and make them politically unbiased.
 

Crimsonblooded

Active member
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I had no problems getting my kids to manage and navigate the sites this spring. There was a shortfall on the assignments, but it was short notice for the teachers. I think online education can be excellent. Give the teachers a chance to develop it. With online learning, I can monitor the political bias in the assignments and challenge the beliefs being pushed because I am present. In class, I have no say. This may fix the left bias in our classrooms and make them politically unbiased.
Yeah right! This will be more monitoring by the federal government and even more bias. They will not only monitor test scores but every digital lesson. Also a whole lot less teachers needed and just digital courses and with time even fewer teachers as they smooth out the transition of a digital high school! Who you kidding!
 

CoachJules

Active member
In NE Ohio I know of North Ridgeville, Avon Lake and Independence so far. I am working out a plan with my AD so that we can start open mats hopefully next week. I believe open mats are being limited to just MS/HS students only, I know we are not going to allow anyone outside the district in ours.
 

bucksman

Moderator
In NE Ohio I know of North Ridgeville, Avon Lake and Independence so far. I am working out a plan with my AD so that we can start open mats hopefully next week. I believe open mats are being limited to just MS/HS students only, I know we are not going to allow anyone outside the district in ours.
I don't think you could per the governor's protocols.

I would think the only type of open mats where athletes from different districts could come together is if they are members of the same "club" and the open mats were hosted by a club. At least that's how I read the protocol from the governor's office.
 

innoshape

Active member
This "may" help clarify things. From Ohio Dept of Health website. Contact sports practices & open gyms with other teams/clubs not permitted unless comply with list of stuff in Section 9. Order in effect until July 15th unless rescinded or modified.
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