The Official 2017 Cincinnati Reds Thread

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Taco MacArthur said:
You said the same thing about BranDON Phillips and look what happened this year.
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I think the Reds really wanted to move on from Brandon, I don't know that they'll be able to find another team to take Bailey and pay anywhere near what we owe him.
The Reds owed Phillips about $13 mill, they owe Bailey about $45 mill over the next two seasons. I'm not a math guy, but $13 and $45 million is a big difference.
 
14Red said:
I think the Reds really wanted to move on from Brandon, I don't know that they'll be able to find another team to take Bailey and pay anywhere near what we owe him.
The Reds owed Phillips about $13 mill, they owe Bailey about $45 mill over the next two seasons. I'm not a math guy, but $13 and $45 million is a big difference.
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Well yeah. Even the guy at McDonald's can make $13 in 2 hours.

Doesn't change the fact you're wrong about everything you post. Is it likely? No. But you speak in absolutes and are almost always wrong.
 
Taco MacArthur said:
Well yeah. Even the guy at McDonald's can make $13 in 2 hours.

Doesn't change the fact you're wrong about everything you post. Is it likely? No. But you speak in absolutes and are almost always wrong.
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$13 mill vs. $45 mill...

And no, most of what I post is accurate. You obviously have no life...
 
Just because Homer is making $45m over the next 2 years doesn't mean he should be a lock for the rotation if he isn't one of the 5 best starters. They will likely give him every opportunity to keep that spot, but if he's posting and 8 era mid year next season, the Reds would be absolutely nuts to continue to trot him out there as 14red wants them to do.
 
14Red said:
And no, most of what I post is accurate.
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Kind of like how you said Brandon Phillips would be playing for the Reds this year? Or that NBA stars in today's game don't play 70 games? Or that Billy Hamilton is a middle of the pack offensively? Or thinking NBA/MLB draft rules are made by colleges? Or LeBron James upbringing? Or Billy Hamilton not playing again for the rest of the season? What about this post?

14Red said:
I'm wrong alot, don't be shocked...
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Taco MacArthur said:
Kind of like how you said Brandon Phillips would be playing for the Reds this year? Or that NBA stars in today's game don't play 70 games? Or that Billy Hamilton is a middle of the pack offensively? Or thinking NBA/MLB draft rules are made by colleges? Or LeBron James upbringing? Or Billy Hamilton not playing again for the rest of the season? What about this post?
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Hey I can't be right all the time...look at you?? Still waiting for you to post something original, not just grind on others posts?? :help:
 
Hard to believe we are down to the last 3 games of the season...

Like to start hearing from Reds fans and their opinions on the season - nothing right or wrong Taco and EP, it's a rebuilding franchise...
 
Overall a disappointing season IMO. The biggest reason is lack of development from the young pitchers and seeing that Hamilton is clearly not the talent the team hoped he would be. No potential shown that leads me to believe this will be a playoff team any time in the next 3-5 years. Votto was absolutely fantastic.
 
Any chance Joey can get the NL MVP? Likely down to he, Charlie Blackmon of the Rockies and Giancarlo Stanton of Miami.
 
eastside_purple said:
I give him ~10% chance of winning.
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I was hoping for a 33% chance. It's kind of ironic in baseball, the sport that one player has the least to do with team success, still gives the nod to teams that win. My guess is Stanton gets it. Everyone loves the long ball.
 
WinstonSmith said:
Overall a disappointing season IMO. The biggest reason is lack of development from the young pitchers and seeing that Hamilton is clearly not the talent the team hoped he would be. No potential shown that leads me to believe this will be a playoff team any time in the next 3-5 years. Votto was absolutely fantastic.
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Hard to argue this. The young guys showed nothing to give this team hope.
 
Would love to continue to hear thoughts and impressions of the 2017 baseball season for the Reds. Oddly enough, finished with the same record as last year. In my mind though, much much different type of season and much more optimism going into '18.
 
WinstonSmith said:
How many wins do you foresee for 2018, 14rtard?
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Great question - and that shot isn't nice...but I'm above it...

I'd honestly say if Bailey and Desclafani can come back healthy and take the ball every 5 days, and Castillo can progress and become a true #1. This team can win 75-85 games next season. This team had about the worst starting pitching you can have, and that lead to front end bullpen issues and they still managed 68 wins.
Offensively and defensively, I think this team can be very similar to this season. I'll be shocked if they offer Cozart a contract, so you'll see Peraza at short - or an acquisition. Let's hope this year was just a fluky bad year for Peraza, he was probably the most disappointing regular player this year from the offensive side.
 
There is some growing sentiment that Votto could get the MVP. Jeff Passon, a baseball writer for Yahoo, and some other baseball writers have wrote articles in favor of Votto. It's going to be closer than many think.
 
I'm thinking about 70, too. So essentially no progress at all over the course of 3 years. Nothing I've seen suggests they have the pitching to get to 85 wins.
 
The Reds used 16 different starting pitchers this season, and won 68 games. Winston and EP, so you're saying there will be little to no improvement in our starting pitching from this season?? Luis Castillo will have 30 starts next season, Sal Romano 30 starts, hopefully Homer Bailey....

My point is we had a historically bad starting pitching staff, that infected the bullpen. Our offense / defense is largely all coming back, and you're thinking 2 more wins???
 
14Red said:
The Reds used 16 different starting pitchers this season, and won 68 games. Winston and EP, so you're saying there will be little to no improvement in our starting pitching from this season?? Luis Castillo will have 30 starts next season, Sal Romano 30 starts, hopefully Homer Bailey....

My point is we had a historically bad starting pitching staff, that infected the bullpen. Our offense / defense is largely all coming back, and you're thinking 2 more wins???
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Correct, I don't see much improvement over this year. :shrug:
 
I'd hope there is at least slight improvement just because it's hard to be much worse. But I don't think it will be significant. And TBH, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a decline in the team's offensive production. Not sure the SS position will provide what Cozart did for a half a season, not sure Duvall has the ability to do what he's done the past two years every year of his career, etc.
 
WinstonSmith said:
I'd hope there is at least slight improvement just because it's hard to be much worse. But I don't think it will be significant. And TBH, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a decline in the team's offensive production. Not sure the SS position will provide what Cozart did for a half a season, not sure Duvall has the ability to do what he's done the past two years every year of his career, etc.
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It would be surprising to have the same offensive production next season. I think one of the corner outfielders will be traded, Duvall is probably better trade bait then Schebler. Winker will be in the lineup, probably at leadoff next season. He's and on base guy. I'll pull back the affinity for the home runs this season, it was a weird season power wise, we had several guys with career home run numbers. Not sure if it's the ball, or bats or just a quirky thing. That said, I look for our pitching to be significantly better next season, which honestly isn't saying alot, but it can happen. We used 31 pitchers in 2017 - 16 different starters and 18 rookies. That's just silly stats. The fortunate part is we'll probably use 2/3 less rookies in 2018. If we use 6 rookie pitchers next season, it will be a high number.
 
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