No offense guys, but why go to another team's forum and hate all over them and their conference? I'm a City fan and we have more athletes, plain and simple. We have a whole lot more kids who spend a lot of time playing basketball, so comparing a suburb team that doesn't have similar kids cross league doesn't really tell you much. That means we beat teams who don't see an up tempo pressure style as much, but it doesn't mean our bottom teams are necessarily better programs. We have some really crummy programs too. That SHS team you're talking about beat us at the buzzer that year at Ellet and we beat Buchtel. So does that mean that Springfield was better than Buchtel but worse than Garfield? You can't pick out games that say a team is bad and then ignore games that say teams are good. That SHS team you mentioned finished near the bottom that yr btw and fell apart; the coach was gone within two yrs. That might have something to do with why they lost to Garfield, lol. That being said, anyone wanna talk some Ellet hoops, lol? I'm gonna hang out in here until I recruit someone over to our forum, lol.