Some Potentially Very Good News: Hydroxychloroquine and Z-pac

Last month, the Lancet published a study that purported to find that the anti-malarial drug often touted by President Trump was ineffective in treating COVID-19, and also increased the risk of death in patients.

This was a major report. In fact, the findings led the World Health Organization to halt a major international study on the drug and resulted in several countries banning the use of the drug to treat the coronavirus. Trump was openly chastised by the media for promoting a drug that was now allegedly proven to be deadly.

But after more than 100 scientists and clinicians questioned the quality of the information used in the study, the leading journal was forced on Tuesday to put out a notice about its work.

In its "expression of concern," the Lancet wrote "to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention" regarding its publication. The journal also noted that "an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned."

What drew ire from outside researchers and scientists was the study's use of a massive hospital database owned by a small company based in Chicago called Surgisphere. Scientists began to take note when Surgisphere's data on tens of thousands of hospitalized patients from around the world did not square with government reporting.

Surgisphere's employees have little or no data or scientific background. An employee listed as a science editor appears to be a science fiction author and fantasy artist. Another employee listed as a marketing executive is an adult model and events hostess.

The company's LinkedIn page has fewer than 100 followers and last week listed just six employees. This was changed to three employees as of Wednesday.

While Surgisphere claims to run one of the largest and fastest hospital databases in the world, it has almost no online presence. Its Twitter handle has fewer than 170 followers, with no posts between October 2017 and March 2020.

Until Monday, the "get in touch" link on Surgisphere's homepage redirected to a WordPress template for a cryptocurrency website, raising questions about how hospitals could easily contact the company to join its database.
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This is a joke... You cannot even trust supposed professionals and where they get their data for analysis of very serious issues.
All because the data fit the narrative to make Orange Man look bad.
Playing with peoples lives over it.
Despicable.
 
Harrycrane said:
So why did Fox news and Trump and his minions suddenly stop talking about it a while back ? Hint . It wasn't safe for 'SOME" to take it to try to fight this virus. It's a preventive ? Not been close to being proven, as such . Trump was just given a full clean 10000 percent bill of health , so why was he taking this as a obese poor diet eating fatty ? This guy who tries to distract from other things as easily as a involuntary reflex just blurted this out off the cuff , clearly lying and then said about a week later he stopped taking this great covid equalizer and blocker ? And you all believe it
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No medicine is safe for everyone.
 
Yorktown said:
Last month, the Lancet published a study that purported to find that the anti-malarial drug often touted by President Trump was ineffective in treating COVID-19, and also increased the risk of death in patients.

This was a major report. In fact, the findings led the World Health Organization to halt a major international study on the drug and resulted in several countries banning the use of the drug to treat the coronavirus. Trump was openly chastised by the media for promoting a drug that was now allegedly proven to be deadly.

But after more than 100 scientists and clinicians questioned the quality of the information used in the study, the leading journal was forced on Tuesday to put out a notice about its work.

In its "expression of concern," the Lancet wrote "to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention" regarding its publication. The journal also noted that "an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned."

What drew ire from outside researchers and scientists was the study's use of a massive hospital database owned by a small company based in Chicago called Surgisphere. Scientists began to take note when Surgisphere's data on tens of thousands of hospitalized patients from around the world did not square with government reporting.


This is a joke... You cannot even trust supposed professionals and where they get their data for analysis of very serious issues.
All because the data fit the narrative to make Orange Man look bad.
Playing with peoples lives over it.
Despicable.
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Shocking isn’t? The medical community is negatively impacted by politics. Liberals are sooo pathetic.
 
Harrycrane said:
Shocker. Published in the New England journal of medicine . I've seen the resident EC experts cite this as a credible source
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You think politics and money might be influencing the editorial boards at the NEJOM? Did you even read the news and the retraction of the previous false claim?

An influential medical journal article that found hydroxychloroquine increased the risk of death in COVID-19 patients was retracted on Thursday, adding to controversy around a drug championed by U.S. President Donald Trump.

Three of the authors of the article retracted it, citing concerns about the quality and veracity of data in the study.
The anti-malarial drug has been controversial in part due to support from Trump, as well as implications of the study published in British journal The Lancet last month, which led several COVID-19 studies to be halted.
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Another study in the New England Journal of Medicine that relied on Surgisphere data and shared the same lead author, Harvard Medical School Professor Mandeep Mehra, was retracted for the same reason.
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Harrycrane said:
Shocker. Published in the New England journal of medicine . I've seen the resident EC experts cite this as a credible source


www.yahoo.com

Study finds hydroxychloroquine, the drug taken by Trump to ward off COVID-19, doesn't prevent coronavirus infection

Hydroxychloroquine fails another test against COVID-19. It doesn't prevent serious infection, study found, though it does have annoying side effects.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246
 
When confronted with the truth, happy/harry/pervy head for the tall liberal grass. Further studies may indeed show Trump was right again and then they would have a hissy.
 
my2sense said:
When confronted with the truth, happy/harry/pervy head for the tall liberal grass. Further studies may indeed show Trump was right again and then they would have a hissy.
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Funny they are posting on other threads but are not showing much appetite for this one...
 
Reposted from another thread:

Not a single person in this board ever tried to debunk it as a treatment. Nobody on this site knows. All anybody did was say that Trump was irresponsible to push an unproven drug. Just let doctors decide and the studies run. Any reference to negative studies was purely a response to Trump's stupid statements. Even if the drug is proven to be effective, Trump would still be a total idiot for pushing it. The fact that the Cult continually tries to defend God King's stupidity on this front just further exposes their insecurity.
 
Lot of insecure people here and you are 100% in that group along with many trump clones. You are just coming from the other direction.
 
There will also be another study showing it doesnt help. Scientists are always in complete agreement. They are well known for it actually
 
and on that other thread I quoted about 5 posts from people who did try to debunk the treatment.

of course the spin will be that they really didn't debunk it.... they just "questioned" it.
 
AllSports12 said:
and on that other thread I quoted about 5 posts from people who did try to debunk the treatment.

of course the spin will be that they really didn't debunk it.... they just "questioned" it.
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No...they referenced studies that said it did not support it's benefit. Not one ever said that the drug does not work. You will not find one. We have studies that say it works and others that say it does not. Effectiveness has never been the point. Stupidity of touting it when he did is the point.
 
That drug has helped save some people's lives. I'm guessing they are glad that it was talked about.
 
Hydroxychloroquine helps coronavirus patients recover, new study shows
Patients treated with drug had 13% mortality rate, those not treated with the drug had 36% mortality rate

Henry Ford researchers attribute the difference between the effectiveness of HCQ in their study compared to the ineffectiveness of the drug in other studies to timing and procedure.

"The benefits of hydroxychloroquine in our cohort as compared to previous studies may be related to its use early in the disease course with standardized, and safe dosing, inclusion criteria, comorbidities, or larger cohort. ... Later therapy in patients that have already experienced hyperimmune response or critical illness is less likely to be of benefit," they wrote.

Daily HCQ and azithromycin production costs are also significantly lower than what it costs to produce remdesivir, another COVID-19 drug that has shown promising results in patients, according to a study published in the Journal of Virus Eradication.
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www.foxbusiness.com

Hydroxychloroquine helps coronavirus patients recover, new study shows

COVID-19 patients treated early with hydroxychloroquine had a lower mortality rate than those who were not treated with the drug, a new study shows.
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Yappi said:
Hydroxychloroquine helps coronavirus patients recover, new study shows
Patients treated with drug had 13% mortality rate, those not treated with the drug had 36% mortality rate



www.foxbusiness.com

Hydroxychloroquine helps coronavirus patients recover, new study shows

COVID-19 patients treated early with hydroxychloroquine had a lower mortality rate than those who were not treated with the drug, a new study shows.
www.foxbusiness.com www.foxbusiness.com
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Great. Contradicting studies does not mean that an ignorant president should push an unapproved drug over approved ones.
 
ProV1 said:
Reposted from another thread:

Not a single person in this board ever tried to debunk it as a treatment. Nobody on this site knows. All anybody did was say that Trump was irresponsible to push an unproven drug. Just let doctors decide and the studies run. Any reference to negative studies was purely a response to Trump's stupid statements. Even if the drug is proven to be effective, Trump would still be a total idiot for pushing it. The fact that the Cult continually tries to defend God King's stupidity on this front just further exposes their insecurity.
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Bull crap and you know it.

it’s ok to admit when you f’d up and were wrong.
 
ProV1 said:
No...they referenced studies that said it did not support it's benefit. Not one ever said that the drug does not work. You will not find one. We have studies that say it works and others that say it does not. Effectiveness has never been the point. Stupidity of touting it when he did is the point.
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Bull crap
 
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