SBAAC Football 2025

formercardinal said:
So what does Massie do if they vote out the OC and McSurely quits because he can't hire his own staff? Be careful what you wish for Massie!
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fbfan17 said:
The audio from that board meeting is public....the guy mentions one accolade and talks about the impact of the coach and the trust he has with the BOE when it comes to decision making. Which in this case, is wreckless. If they non renew the OC, watch the domino effect it will have on the program and we shall revist your comment, "IMO anybody could have called the Massie offense over the last several years". CM community is about to find out the grass isnt greener on the other side if this goes through.
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I do not for one second understand what messing with the football staff is ultimately going to accomplish. Football is about the only thing good that's going on at CM right now, I would just leave it the heck alone. McSurely and staff have done nothing but win. Their worst season since I started following football has been 7-6... and they still won 2 playoff games. I am not exactly sure how long the OC has been there, but considering Massie has done nothing but win his job should be safe, and its ridiculous that people want him gone... the BOE should be focusing on the levy and making sure the district doesn't fall apart.
 
LouHoltz said:
Easy to make that comment when you’re NOT doing it….I would say throw your name in the hat for the OC position and see how easy that job really is in those 25 seconds between plays. Yep looks easy against those lousy teams but it’s quite different against quality teams….
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The people being critical of the coaches could definitely call the offense… they’ve called it for years in the peewee program and that’s basically the same thing right?
 
rockridgecirculator said:
What if pressuring McSurley to quit is all part of the plan for the BOE member pushing this given the rumors going around town that one of the BOE members has a relative wanting to be on the coaching staff.
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With the current financial state of the district, I would think football is one of the few reasons people are staying in the CM district. You run that staff out and you may end up being Blan/East Clinton.
 
formercardinal said:
With the current financial state of the district, I would think football is one of the few reasons people are staying in the CM district. You run that staff out and you may end up being Blan/East Clinton.
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They already have some kids apparently electing to not return.. take away their coaching staff and I can see many more following along.
 
fbfan17 said:
Many people in that community have told me they will be voting no due to the BOE and the lack of trust in them they have. It is really sad for the kids in that district.
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I would think if the levy is voted down, teachers/administrators will be looking to leave as well. With Massie being closer to bigger/better paying districts (Lebanon, Springboro) they may lose some quality teachers.
 
Let's be fair here, personally I'm a fan of the OC. This relationship between him and the players , lots of parents and tons in the community became strained when he started his son (sophomore year 2 seasons ago) over a junior at the time who was thought of by everyone I came into contact with as the better athlete and passer. Easy to support if you was at the Harrison game in 2023, without him coming in at QB we lose.

The incoming sophomore will be on the field regardless, secondary , WR , TE , including QB he's that good and he started last season at WR. To pass blame to his family isn't really the truth at all. To even be a issue at the BOE level, several parents had to went to the school, ad and BOE with complaints. I personally know several who at least say they did, I wasn't there so can only say what I was told.
 
triple option said:
Let's be fair here, personally I'm a fan of the OC. This relationship between him and the players , lots of parents and tons in the community became strained when he started his son (sophomore year 2 seasons ago) over a junior at the time who was thought of by everyone I came into contact with as the better athlete and passer. Easy to support if you was at the Harrison game in 2023, without him coming in at QB we lose.

The incoming sophomore will be on the field regardless, secondary , WR , TE , including QB he's that good and he started last season at WR. To pass blame to his family isn't really the truth at all. To even be a issue at the BOE level, several parents had to went to the school, ad and BOE with complaints. I personally know several who at least say they did, I wasn't there so can only say what I was told.
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So if these parents get their way and run the OC out, does Dan stay? I imagine he won't like being told who can and can't be on his staff.
 
triple option said:
Let's be fair here, personally I'm a fan of the OC. This relationship between him and the players , lots of parents and tons in the community became strained when he started his son (sophomore year 2 seasons ago) over a junior at the time who was thought of by everyone I came into contact with as the better athlete and passer. Easy to support if you was at the Harrison game in 2023, without him coming in at QB we lose.

The incoming sophomore will be on the field regardless, secondary , WR , TE , including QB he's that good and he started last season at WR. To pass blame to his family isn't really the truth at all. To even be a issue at the BOE level, several parents had to went to the school, ad and BOE with complaints. I personally know several who at least say they did, I wasn't there so can only say what I was told.
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A few parents that have kids on the team that the board president vacations with maybe? :rolleyes: Come on you aint gonna fool anyone with that statement, especially if someone is from the CM area lol
 
Boy if those parents just would've gotten their way years ago when they tried to get rid of Dan because they didnt like his offense... where would the program be now?
 
triple option said:
Let's be fair here, personally I'm a fan of the OC. This relationship between him and the players , lots of parents and tons in the community became strained when he started his son (sophomore year 2 seasons ago) over a junior at the time who was thought of by everyone I came into contact with as the better athlete and passer. Easy to support if you was at the Harrison game in 2023, without him coming in at QB we lose.

The incoming sophomore will be on the field regardless, secondary , WR , TE , including QB he's that good and he started last season at WR. To pass blame to his family isn't really the truth at all. To even be a issue at the BOE level, several parents had to went to the school, ad and BOE with complaints. I personally know several who at least say they did, I wasn't there so can only say what I was told.
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Fair statement. Let's look at this in a different angle, does the OC teach in the district? If so, what is his relationship like with his students? Usually, with coaches, there is a carryover from the field to the classroom and vice versa. If he is a good OC, that usually translates to the classroom as well.
The focus of the school should be on passing the levy, not the football coach. People for years and years have not liked Dan's offense. Some of those people don't understand that the reason why they have been so successful is because it's hard to simulate and prepare for in practice. Just like Massie trying to prepare for a spread team. It's difficult.
 
PartTimeObserver said:
Fair statement. Let's look at this in a different angle, does the OC teach in the district? If so, what is his relationship like with his students? Usually, with coaches, there is a carryover from the field to the classroom and vice versa. If he is a good OC, that usually translates to the classroom as well.
The focus of the school should be on passing the levy, not the football coach. People for years and years have not liked Dan's offense. Some of those people don't understand that the reason why they have been so successful is because it's hard to simulate and prepare for in practice. Just like Massie trying to prepare for a spread team. It's difficult.
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"If he is a good OC," They have won 3 state titles with him as OC, I would say he has to be pretty good.
 
Would love to see the BOE ask the parents for their coaching resumes and to make sure they apply for the job if it does open.
 
formercardinal said:
So if these parents get their way and run the OC out, does Dan stay? I imagine he won't like being told who can and can't be on his staff.
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I don't know, I agree with you. I could easily see him exiting also if that's the case, similar to the Valley View situation a few years back. I'm not sure how you repair everything after this ordeal.
 
fbfan17 said:
A few parents that have kids on the team that the board president vacations with maybe? :rolleyes: Come on you aint gonna fool anyone with that statement, especially if someone is from the CM area lol
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What statement am I trying to fool anyone with? What I see is you're creating a 1 sided story that a lot is being left out. This all comes from the OC starting his son over another player the last 2 years and the complaints of it have reached a boiling point where several players aren't playing anymore and the admin is forced to do something.

Like I said I like the OC, guy has called some unbelievable games through the years and his resume speaks for itself and I personally hope they all find a way to work through this mess. But to lead on that one family wants their kid to be QB so bad that they have created a witch hunt is just wrong. Like I said the kid is so good he'll have a starting position just like last year as a freshman.

As for my take on it, I will be rooting for who ever is coaching or playing especially being someone from the CM area
 
triple option said:
What statement am I trying to fool anyone with? What I see is you're creating a 1 sided story that a lot is being left out. This all comes from the OC starting his son over another player the last 2 years and the complaints of it have reached a boiling point where several players aren't playing anymore and the admin is forced to do something.

Like I said I like the OC, guy has called some unbelievable games through the years and his resume speaks for itself and I personally hope they all find a way to work through this mess. But to lead on that one family wants their kid to be QB so bad that they have created a witch hunt is just wrong. Like I said the kid is so good he'll have a starting position just like last year as a freshman.

As for my take on it, I will be rooting for who ever is coaching or playing especially being someone from the CM area
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So you are alright with the precident being set that, as a parent if you dont agree with who is starting just get enought people to complain and it will all get fixed?? Got it. lol

As for players quitting....Bye! No one should be bigger than the program. If they want to quit, so be it. CM reloads, replaces guys yearly. The players quiting will have to live with their decision long after high school and I think they will realize they were being childish.

The coach has done nothing wrong. AND if we want to be technical......Its DANs choice on who is the QB. He is the head coach and makes the final say on who plays where. Does anyone not see this? Firing the OC will not do a thing if Dan decides to stay. Honestly it might have the reverse affect.
 
triple option said:
What statement am I trying to fool anyone with? What I see is you're creating a 1 sided story that a lot is being left out. This all comes from the OC starting his son over another player the last 2 years and the complaints of it have reached a boiling point where several players aren't playing anymore and the admin is forced to do something.

Like I said I like the OC, guy has called some unbelievable games through the years and his resume speaks for itself and I personally hope they all find a way to work through this mess. But to lead on that one family wants their kid to be QB so bad that they have created a witch hunt is just wrong. Like I said the kid is so good he'll have a starting position just like last year as a freshman.

As for my take on it, I will be rooting for who ever is coaching or playing especially being someone from the CM area
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And another thing...Thats not the BOE job...their job is to hire people in administrative roles to hire assistant coaches. When all of those people have made their hires, its the BOE job to support that decision and approve the coach barring that person passes a background check. None of the admin at the school have recommened the OC to be non renewed. Head Coach, AD, Principal, and Super have all recommened the OC for rehire. So to try to convince people like me that this isnt a "witch hunt" is gonna be a hard sell.
 
It appears this district is driving off a cliff and their starting with the football program. Saw on Facebook the condition of their facilities and no real plan for correction. The failing situation is solely on the hands of the BOE. This is probably why they have difficulting keeping administration for any length of time. Until the community starts electing serious people, it's only a matter of time and their school buildings become relics of the past. SAD.
 
fbfan17 said:
So you are alright with the precident being set that, as a parent if you dont agree with who is starting just get enought people to complain and it will all get fixed?? Got it. lol

As for players quitting....Bye! No one should be bigger than the program. If they want to quit, so be it. CM reloads, replaces guys yearly. The players quiting will have to live with their decision long after high school and I think they will realize they were being childish.

The coach has done nothing wrong. AND if we want to be technical......Its DANs choice on who is the QB. He is the head coach and makes the final say on who plays where. Does anyone not see this? Firing the OC will not do a thing if Dan decides to stay. Honestly it might have the reverse affect.
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Ok so using your same example, If you're a coach of any football team it's ok to start your son over other possibly better players?! I'm sure you're ok with it unless it was your son being forced out or those 2 years of seniors that was forced into that situation.

Other than that fact that keeps getting left out, I agree with everything your saying. As far the HC, AD, principal and super being on board to bring him back I'll have to believe you cause I've heard nothing about it. However being a teacher at the school he has a direct relationship all of them so I could see a outside source being used.

And personally I think his son is a good player, had a good year last year other than 1 game (tri valley). I can say this about him hard worker and knows playbook in and out, made some good throws. But I can see where the older player could have done that and maybe more given the chance, so we'll never have answer.
 
triple option said:
Ok so using your same example, If you're a coach of any football team it's ok to start your son over other possibly better players?! I'm sure you're ok with it unless it was your son being forced out or those 2 years of seniors that was forced into that situation.

Other than that fact that keeps getting left out, I agree with everything your saying. As far the HC, AD, principal and super being on board to bring him back I'll have to believe you cause I've heard nothing about it. However being a teacher at the school he has a direct relationship all of them so I could see a outside source being used.

And personally I think his son is a good player, had a good year last year other than 1 game (tri valley). I can say this about him hard worker and knows playbook in and out, made some good throws. But I can see where the older player could have done that and maybe more given the chance, so we'll never have answer.
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See, you use the word POSSIBLY better players. It's up to the coaches to make that determination and I think I trust a STAFF (3 time state champs) to make that decision. Not disgruntled parents and Peewee coaches who think they know better. If it were my kid, I'd use it as a teaching moment that not everything is fair in life and if you want something bad enough work harder. Make it hard for the coaches to keep you off the field. I wouldnt teach my child its okay to point the finger, play the blame game, and quit if he doesnt get his way....But, I guess I was raised different. I wasnt raised to be soft and I dang sure wont be raising my kids soft.

Ill say it again....Dan makes the final say on the depth chart. Firing the OC isnt going to do anything if Dan decides to stay.

No one had issues with "Daddy Ball" when CM was winning a state championship. Thats right, wasnt the other son of the OC the QB then?? Again, this is a witch hunt with a hand full of people that dont care for the OC.
 
fbfan17 said:
See, you use the word POSSIBLY better players. It's up to the coaches to make that determination and I think I trust a STAFF (3 time state champs) to make that decision. Not disgruntled parents and Peewee coaches who think they know better. If it were my kid, I'd use it as a teaching moment that not everything is fair in life and if you want something bad enough work harder. Make it hard for the coaches to keep you off the field. I wouldnt teach my child its okay to point the finger, play the blame game, and quit if he doesnt get his way....But, I guess I was raised different. I wasnt raised to be soft and I dang sure wont be raising my kids soft.

Ill say it again....Dan makes the final say on the depth chart. Firing the OC isnt going to do anything if Dan decides to stay.

No one had issues with "Daddy Ball" when CM was winning a state championship. Thats right, wasnt the other son of the OC the QB then?? Again, this is a witch hunt with a hand full of people that dont care for the OC.
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I say "possibly" out of respect of never being able to know now or not. Cause that option was taken from the next kid up. But at least you have admitted to "Daddy Ball" finally, I won't say a bad word about either kid of the OC, both are good players/kids and the older brother's team brought it home.

And you're right Dan let it ride, which is why I could see him possibly leave too if OC is axed.

Anyway you and I will have to agree to disagree on the whole witch hunt theory. And for sake of being misunderstood, I don't want anyone fired and want all the players to play. Honestly I think OC, HC and a couple other assistants planned on retiring next season anyway, so who knows where it goes.
 
triple option said:
I say "possibly" out of respect of never being able to know now or not. Cause that option was taken from the next kid up. But at least you have admitted to "Daddy Ball" finally, I won't say a bad word about either kid of the OC, both are good players/kids and the older brother's team brought it home.

And you're right Dan let it ride, which is why I could see him possibly leave too if OC is axed.

Anyway you and I will have to agree to disagree on the whole witch hunt theory. And for sake of being misunderstood, I don't want anyone fired and want all the players to play. Honestly I think OC, HC and a couple other assistants planned on retiring next season anyway, so who knows where it goes.
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At this point I feel like this is exactly what those hand full of people I'm reffering to wants to happen Because they know more in their eyes. Be careful what you wish for is all I have to say on this topic anymore. The grass isnt greener on the other side.
 
fbfan17 said:
At this point I feel like this is exactly what those hand full of people I'm reffering to wants to happen Because they know more in their eyes. Be careful what you wish for is all I have to say on this topic anymore. The grass isnt greener on the other side.
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If they get what they are wanting, CM football will go down hill quickly. That staff gets the most out of their players. A failed levy and a new coaching staff has disaster written all over it!
 
ol'tatter said:
Probably not a lot of tax revenue from Clarksville and Harveysburg. The flee market is abandon and there's only one traffic light in the whole district. Pretty sad they've gotten to this point. Sounds like poor management going back several years ago. Hopefully they can get the football program straightened out. It looks as if it's the only thing going for the district right now.
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Actually there are 3 traffic lights.
 
Did some digging, here's what the SBAAC Enrollment looks like from 2017 vs. now in 2025

SBAAC American:

Batavia (220) vs. (283)
Clinton-Massie (215) vs. (209)
Goshen (283) vs. (335)
New Richmond (260) vs. (246)
Western Brown (328) vs. (319)
Wilmington (342) vs. (262)

SBAAC National:

Bethel-Tate (158) vs. (210)
Blanchester (180) vs. (141)
Clermont Northeastern (152) vs. (173)
East Clinton (146) vs. (139)
Williamsburg (110) vs. (128)
 
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