Region 1 2019

Hank THE Tank

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True to a point but it isn't like Eds has played a bunch of juggernauts either in the 2nd half

Solon and Euclid could be 4/5 in region 1 when it's all said and done. Are they elite like mentor and Eds? Of course not. But maybe Mentor made them look very bad because Mentor is very good. Crazy I know
I think almost everyone would be shocked if it's not Ed's and Mentor. Two best teams without question. Now do I think Ed's schedule will help? 100% Mentor hasn't played a game that mattered since the Iggy game. When they meet in 4 weeks that will be almost 3 months since they had any meaningful snaps. I am not saying Mentor is going to lose just when you go that long without a meaningful game it may cause some issues. Either way should be a great game. The winner should be the favorite to win it all.
Agree winner should be heavily favored
 

Hank THE Tank

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True to a point but it isn't like Eds has played a bunch of juggernauts either in the 2nd half

Solon and Euclid could be 4/5 in region 1 when it's all said and done. Are they elite like mentor and Eds? Of course not. But maybe Mentor made them look very bad because Mentor is very good. Crazy I know
Yeah. Just saying Elder,WW,Cass Tech,NCA, play some big recruits(which are overrated),but most these would be runner up in the GCC. Even a bad Moeller team woulda spanked Elyria Shaker an maybe a few other. Not saying Mentor woulda lost cause they hell of a team an woulda probably ran table too but a few changes last year, us playing big physical teams by the time we got back to you guys after first dew plays didn't really have problem with Potter or the big OL. All great players juat think it helps to a point. Still got to play and will be a great one. Wonder if we be in Euclid again?
 

SVillegrad

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Yeah. Just saying Elder,WW,Cass Tech,NCA, play some big recruits(which are overrated),but most these would be runner up in the GCC. Even a bad Moeller team woulda spanked Elyria Shaker an maybe a few other. Not saying Mentor woulda lost cause they hell of a team an woulda probably ran table too but a few changes last year, us playing big physical teams by the time we got back to you guys after first dew plays didn't really have problem with Potter or the big OL. All great players juat think it helps to a point. Still got to play and will be a great one. Wonder if we be in Euclid again?
Ed's has definitely played a tougher schedule. Elder for sure would be no. 2 in the GCC. Then Cathedral Prep, Winton Woods and Cass Tech are comparable to Euclid and Solon. The team from Maryland is probably comparable to Medina/Brunswick/Strongsville group. I'm not sure about Moeller. I actually don't think they would automatically beat Shaker (which isn't as bad as its record ... though same can be said for Moeller). Buchtel is probably right on par with Shaker.

They both played Iggy and Clarkson, so that's a wash.

Ed's hasn't played an Elyria bad team, so the difference between Elder (Eds) and Elyria (Mentor) is the only glaring difference in the schedules, imo.
 

cardzfan1234

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St Eds hardly has a national elite schedule, but it is stronger than Mentor's. The GCC is probably the best/deepest big school league in Ohio, or pretty darn close. But even at that, there is obviously a huge drop off between Mentor and the 2nd best team. Elder is much better than Euclid. Winton Woods is better too. Cathedral Prep, NCA, and Cass Tech are right there with Euclid/Solon.

Will schedule be a factor in a potential rematch? Maybe. I don't think blowing teams out for 8 straight weeks (likely 10 including the first two playoff games) is quite as helpful compared to having a game or two mixed in there against an elite team where you experience some struggle. When Mentor/Eds hook up on November 22, it will be nearly three months since Mentor played a meaningful down in the 4th quarter. I can't say that it is a good thing. It has been nice to see Mentor playing consistently well though.
 

Hank THE Tank

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Ed's has definitely played a tougher schedule. Elder for sure would be no. 2 in the GCC. Then Cathedral Prep, Winton Woods and Cass Tech are comparable to Euclid and Solon. The team from Maryland is probably comparable to Medina/Brunswick/Strongsville group. I'm not sure about Moeller. I actually don't think they would automatically beat Shaker (which isn't as bad as its record ... though same can be said for Moeller). Buchtel is probably right on par with Shaker.

They both played Iggy and Clarkson, so that's a wash.

Ed's hasn't played an Elyria bad team, so the difference between Elder (Eds) and Elyria (Mentor) is the only glaring difference in the schedules, imo.
Fair enough We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one a few of them, few of them on the fence.

Jusy wonder if one has advantage over other..

Also to kinda factor in like this week that DC team has Oklahoma, A&M,UMass, ECU an other kids. Cass had bunch power 5 kids, then other Michigan,OSU, LSU, Iowa St, few Louisville, an some other kids along the way....now I know a few over rated, an some GCC kids under recruited and it's a team game but just think also those individual matches in the box and outside can help prepare kids more being harder competition and become more physical.

( This is No insult to the GCC who has many good teams and best all around conference in NE Ohio)
 

Hank THE Tank

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St Eds hardly has a national elite schedule, but it is stronger than Mentor's. The GCC is probably the best/deepest big school league in Ohio, or pretty darn close. But even at that, there is obviously a huge drop off between Mentor and the 2nd best team. Elder is much better than Euclid. Winton Woods is better too. Cathedral Prep, NCA, and Cass Tech are right there with Euclid/Solon.

Will schedule be a factor in a potential rematch? Maybe. I don't think blowing teams out for 8 straight weeks (likely 10 including the first two playoff games) is quite as helpful compared to having a game or two mixed in there against an elite team where you experience some struggle. When Mentor/Eds hook up on November 22, it will be nearly three months since Mentor played a meaningful down in the 4th quarter. I can't say that it is a good thing. It has been nice to see Mentor playing consistently well though.
Ty for answer. Just wonder how ppl thinkn
 

EaglePride01

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St Eds hardly has a national elite schedule, but it is stronger than Mentor's. The GCC is probably the best/deepest big school league in Ohio, or pretty darn close. But even at that, there is obviously a huge drop off between Mentor and the 2nd best team. Elder is much better than Euclid. Winton Woods is better too. Cathedral Prep, NCA, and Cass Tech are right there with Euclid/Solon.

Will schedule be a factor in a potential rematch? Maybe. I don't think blowing teams out for 8 straight weeks (likely 10 including the first two playoff games) is quite as helpful compared to having a game or two mixed in there against an elite team where you experience some struggle. When Mentor/Eds hook up on November 22, it will be nearly three months since Mentor played a meaningful down in the 4th quarter. I can't say that it is a good thing. It has been nice to see Mentor playing consistently well though.
Yes, the Eagles OOS schedule isn't nearly as beefy as it has been in past years. For good reason too. While this years version of the Eagles is playing pretty damn good right now, they are not as stacked from a talent perspective as some of the prior state champion versions. That is what it takes to compete with some of the top tier national programs theses days, which have become transfer factories littered with 4 and 5 star talent. The AD has been smart with the OOS games they've been getting on the schedule the last few years, and we haven't been going beyond our pay grade. While some of these "academy" schools have double digit FBS players, they are often not as well coached and have very little depth beyond the starting 22. So it gives us the benefit of having our players compete against a higher caliber athlete, but likely coming away with a victory.

This year, Elder and WW are better than any non-Mentor GCC team by a comfortable margin. Cathedral Prep is solid, but unspectacular. Cass Tech is way down from previous versions, but still has considerable speed and talent. Though to get a gauge on this against National Christian Academy team that is coming into town this week. They have several FBS commits, but have played a who's who of nobodies. They beat Steubenville in a shootout, but have lost to a DC public school.
 

Hank THE Tank

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Yes, the Eagles OOS schedule isn't nearly as beefy as it has been in past years. For good reason too. While this years version of the Eagles is playing pretty damn good right now, they are not as stacked from a talent perspective as some of the prior state champion versions. That is what it takes to compete with some of the top tier national programs theses days, which have become transfer factories littered with 4 and 5 star talent. The AD has been smart with the OOS games they've been getting on the schedule the last few years, and we haven't been going beyond our pay grade. While some of these "academy" schools have double digit FBS players, they are often not as well coached and have very little depth beyond the starting 22. So it gives us the benefit of having our players compete against a higher caliber athlete, but likely coming away with a victory.

This year, Elder and WW are better than any non-Mentor GCC team by a comfortable margin. Cathedral Prep is solid, but unspectacular. Cass Tech is way down from previous versions, but still has considerable speed and talent. Though to get a gauge on this against National Christian Academy team that is coming into town this week. They have several FBS commits, but have played a who's who of nobodies. They beat Steubenville in a shootout, but have lost to a DC public school.
Don't give me that 4 5 star talent . Eds had 3 - 4 star recruits this decade an won 4 state championship in OH not North Dakota, Ohio......An NO five stars.

Team talented an has No weakness. Just not super deep
 

Hank THE Tank

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An AD scheduled rough schedule,sure had no idea dew schools would be down


Mentor best Ohio public
Cass Tech a usual power multi state champ
Erie. Class 4 PA 3 yr in a row state champ
Winton-D2 powershouse every year
Elder. Is Elder.
Butchel. The one easy
Iggy
Canada-best Canadian team 7 d1s
Moeller always tough
NcA. Loaded up an coming private from DC loaded with recruits.

1 Ohio schedule harder. Iggy. Maybe a Cincy school
 

EaglePride01

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Don't give me that 4 5 star talent . Eds had 3 - 4 star recruits this decade an won 4 state championship in OH not North Dakota, Ohio......An NO five stars.

Team talented an has No weakness. Just not super deep
I admire your enthusiasm as a player parent Hank, and I think we have a very good football team that can compete on a high level, but your statements show that you don't have a good perspective of what's going on at the national level these days at places like Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, IMG, St. Frances, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. We would likely get boat raced by the top national teams these days. And that's ok. It's a different ballgame these days.

As for this years schedule, it is good overall (better than most in comparison to Ohio teams), but don't make some of these teams out to be powerhouses when they are not. Traditionally strong programs, yes. This year, no. Cathedral Prep got spanked by Benedictine. Cass Tech is 5-4. Moeller is awful this year. Canada is still Canada. And as I've said, we really have no idea how good NCA is as a team.
 

menfan

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The difference in the strength of schedules (Mentor and St. Edward) is not that great and in fact having a well rested and healthy team (speaking about Mentor) going into a possible 5 game playoff is a good thing. If you have the talent it will come through vs. a better team. My gosh Mentor beat two exceptional teams coming right out of the gate this year. It's fun talking about all these things as we analyze a possible match-up (Mentor vs. St.Edward) but my opinion is that the schedule thing will not have an impact. Both teams have the talent to win it all.
 

Hank THE Tank

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I admire your enthusiasm as a player parent Hank, and I think we have a very good football team that can compete on a high level, but your statements show that you don't have a good perspective of what's going on at the national level these days at places like Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, IMG, St. Frances, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. We would likely get boat raced by the top national teams these days. And that's ok. It's a different ballgame these days.

As for this years schedule, it is good overall (better than most in comparison to Ohio teams), but don't make some of these teams out to be powerhouses when they are not. Traditionally strong programs, yes. This year, no. Cathedral Prep got spanked by Benedictine. Cass Tech is 5-4. Moeller is awful this year. Canada is still Canada. And as I've said, we really have no idea how good NCA is as a team.
Horseshit. Mater Dei the only program that this year we couldn't beat. I've been following these schools for years and I can tell you many of the players on each one of those teams. Watch in all my free time and have for years. So you may wanna research more.
 

Hank THE Tank

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I tried Yappi. Been fun. Better to argue in person. Mentors good. St Eds good. Some others. Gonna be fun excited for the kids. Ohio football the best football.
 

MentorGrad2002

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The difference in the strength of schedules (Mentor and St. Edward) is not that great and in fact having a well rested and healthy team (speaking about Mentor) going into a possible 5 game playoff is a good thing. If you have the talent it will come through vs. a better team. My gosh Mentor beat two exceptional teams coming right out of the gate this year. It's fun talking about all these things as we analyze a possible match-up (Mentor vs. St.Edward) but my opinion is that the schedule thing will not have an impact. Both teams have the talent to win it all.
To add to that, Eds would join a conference like the gcc in a second if they had the opportunity to do so. They aren't scheduling this way by choice.
 

bagobones

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Horseshit. Mater Dei the only program that this year we couldn't beat. I've been following these schools for years and I can tell you many of the players on each one of those teams. Watch in all my free time and have for years. So you may wanna research more.
You think Ed's would beat IMG, St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. Love your optimism.
 

Hank THE Tank

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You think Ed's would beat IMG, St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. Love your optimism.
Ohh yeaaahhhh. I think Mentor could too...who cares about stars. Many kids in this region, but a lot from Mentor or Eds were 2 inches taller at many positions they would be the same "high profile" schools in nation. I mean they are cause Mentor at 10 and Eds at 21 in nation but u line them up those stars not gonna help, we got football players up here. Those kids get more hype but many of them are average college players or hit the transfer portal. Ohio kids, Esa or Mentor, Haban last 2 years can play with anybody, an anybody this year except Mater Dei. They to good at every position. I say this as the truiest most honest HS fan as anybody. I have spent years at games every weekend Fri an Sat traveling around to watch best teams and recruits all over. This is my passion and diehard opinion
 

Hank THE Tank

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To add to that, Eds would join a conference like the gcc in a second if they had the opportunity to do so. They aren't scheduling this way by choice.
No way. They can't even get anyone but Mentor to play them from the GCC. Ask Euclid...they schedule this way by choice cause they don't wanna run over teams 50-0 every week. I've learned it's the standard for them and many of these private schools. They schedule each other and other hard teams, an throw a easier game in there. And results of that they are in D1 in the last 19 years 15 of those years private schools have won. Man I'm not Catholic, never went to church but thats the way it works. Schools like Mentor up there cause when Eds kids Workin out all the time at 6am, Mentor up chopping wood also. It's a culture thing and Mentor is in that Top category but no one else unfortunately is.
 
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MentorGrad2002

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No way. They can't even get anyone but Mentor to play them from the GCC. Ask Euclid...they schedule this way by choice cause they don't wanna run over teams 50-0 every week. I've learned it's the standard for them and many of these private schools. They schedule each other and other hard teams, an throw a easier game in there. And results of that they are in D1 in the last 19 years 15 of those years private schools have won. Man I'm not Catholic, never went to church but thats the way it works. Schools like Mentor up there cause when Eds kids Workin out all the time at 6am, Mentor up chopping wood also. It's a culture thing and Mentor is in that Top category but no one else unfortunately is.
It's because of how eds does things
But if a league wanted eds you guys would join in a second. Get a clue. You aren't scheduling out of state teams by choice. It's be necessity
 

Hank THE Tank

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It's because of how eds does things
But if a league wanted eds you guys would join in a second. Get a clue. You aren't scheduling out of state teams by choice. It's be necessity
You crazy man no way...for what, to have 1 maybe 2 good games a year. It never happen cause only Mentor would play and approve.... can't blame others cause playoff points system in place.. We have a great AD that came from Mater Dei and Bishop Gorman, him and our HC have high standard, national standards, sprinkle in the Eds standard, you still wrong. If that was the case Eds woulda joined before the dynasty was built by Finotti an now the best coach in HS football, Lombardo. And don't contradict yourself now. c'mon man...I'm done with this can't believe you actually think they would in a second. Shows how much you really know about Eds.
 

MentorGrad2002

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You crazy man no way...for what, to have 1 maybe 2 good games a year. It never happen cause only Mentor would play and approve.... can't blame others cause playoff points system in place.. We have a great AD that came from Mater Dei and Bishop Gorman, him and our HC have high standard, national standards, sprinkle in the Eds standard, you still wrong. If that was the case Eds woulda joined before the dynasty was built by Finotti an now the best coach in HS football, Lombardo. And don't contradict yourself now. c'mon man...I'm done with this can't believe you actually think they would in a second. Shows how much you really know about Eds.
You are delusional. Eds never had an invite from a public school league and never will. If they had one they would have jumped in a second. They aren't scheduling out of state teams because they want to. It's because they have no choice.
 

mustang fan

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...They aren't scheduling out of state teams because they want to. It's because they have no choice.
I agree, but, from my perspective anyway, I really don't understand why the D1 assemblers even bother competing for state titles anymore...In any sport...As they should have long since moved onto some sort of national stage. Sure, schedule whatever area teams that are willing to challenge them, but really, why bother complaining that (for a bunch of reasons) only a few will.
 

SVillegrad

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I didn't run anything (and haven't seen the Euclid final) but looks like the field will be:

1. Mentor
8. Cleveland Heights

4. Euclid
5. Solon

2. St. Edward
7. Medina

3. McKinley
6. Jackson
 

Comets604

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Or it's more like Mentor and Ed's are head and shoulders above everybody in D1. This isn't a bad field, just the top 2 happen to be the two best teams in D1, by a pretty big margin.
Yea both of them have been playing insane all season. Do you see either of them getting upset at all or no chance?
 

cardzfan1234

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I didn't run anything (and haven't seen the Euclid final) but looks like the field will be:

1. Mentor
8. Cleveland Heights

4. Euclid
5. Solon

2. St. Edward
7. Medina

3. McKinley
6. Jackson
Euclid will be the 3 if/when Canisius wins tomorrow. CalPreps projects a very easy win for what that’s worth. Of course that assumes McKinley loses to Massillon.
 

SVillegrad

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Did Euclid end up winning tonight? I'm assuming they did. You're right, I forgot the Canisius game was still out there, so if it goes how to expect, Euclid/Jackson is the 3-6 and McKinley/Solon is the 4-5.

I like that better than seeing two rematches. Amazing, actually, how 6 of the 8 are going to be either GCC or Fed (and Mentor/Ed's, Euclid/McKinley and Medina/Cleveland Heights played each other) and yet, there would not be one rematch in the first round. What are the odds of that happening??
 

SVillegrad

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No chance. Euclid, the most common choice for the third best team in the playoff field, lost 45-0 a week ago to Mentor. That says it all.
Very little chance, but not going to say zero.

We'll see after tomorrow. But if McKinley beats Massillon (which may be a top 5 any division team in the state), I don't see how you can say they don't have a chance. And while they are a huge underdog, this Medina offense with sophomore QB Drew Allar now taking over is one to watch. He is a legit P5 college QB recruit down the road and this is now his team (no more rotating). He accounted for all 6 TDs tonight in the win against Brunswick (could've put up another couple touchdowns too if they didn't mess around thinking the game was over and pulled him twice). Probably won't be enough to upset Eds (though I guess the 2-7 could be Medina/McKinley), but regardless, Medina may actually be the best team in this field outside of Mentor/Ed's, because of Allar. He's legit.

 
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