U are correct!Just came across this site and thread- anyone throwing stones at Moe knows what they are talking about. What has been going on there is wrong and sooner or later it will come crashing down.
U are correct!Just came across this site and thread- anyone throwing stones at Moe knows what they are talking about. What has been going on there is wrong and sooner or later it will come crashing down.
I agree. There is enough out there. If a Catholic school valued their reputation. But more importantly wanted to uphold the values they claim to instill In young men they would forfeit season and turn themselves in. It’s a complete contradiction and the students see it. Those who are aware of what goes on in relation to soccer anyway.Private institutions like to say they stand for values but when push comes to shove they have little. Moeller may not get punished for any violations because they are hard to prove but the damage to there reputation has already been done. They have won on the field but now winning has become more important than character. It takes years to build a solid reputation and just a few bad choices to ruin it.
I agree. There is enough out there. If a Catholic school valued their reputation. But more importantly wanted to uphold the values they claim to instill In young men they would forfeit season and turn themselves in. It’s a complete contradiction and the students see it. Those who are aware of what goes on in relation to soccer anyway.
That looks like a few college programs ... higher numbers for the younger players, recruit transfers that were successful somewhere else for 2 years.Say what you want about Moeller, but their varsity roster on paper looks to be built for continued success in the coming years.
4 Seniors
9 Juniors
6 Sophomore
6 Freshmen
As opposed to a team like St X
14 Seniors
6 Juniors
I can see that being their formula.That looks like a few college programs ... higher numbers for the younger players, recruit transfers that were successful somewhere else for 2 years.
No doubt. St X does not aggregate talent on varsity, but as far as I know, all these kids with one exception came through St X since freshman year. The one exception didn’t transfer in but was at the DA. How many of those kids at moeller are transfers that were recruited from other schools?Say what you want about Moeller, but their varsity roster on paper looks to be built for continued success in the coming years.
4 Seniors
9 Juniors
6 Sophomore
6 Freshmen
As opposed to a team like St X
14 Seniors
6 Juniors
6 starters were recruited in from other schools. If you can’t coach em, recruit em. The sad part is he’s run off some fairly good players. Heard from multiple sources Who are in the know so to speak. Even sadder is I guess some of these kids were so disenfranchised with the politics they stopped playing all together.No doubt. St X does not aggregate talent on varsity, but as far as I know, all these kids with one exception came through St X since freshman year. The one exception didn’t transfer in but was at the DA. How many of those kids at moeller are transfers that were recruited from other schools?
Say what you want about Moeller, but their varsity roster on paper looks to be built for continued success in the coming years.
4 Seniors
9 Juniors
6 Sophomore
6 Freshmen
As opposed to a team like St X
14 Seniors
6 Juniors
Please stop spreading false information. Here are the facts: There are 6 total players on Moeller’s varsity roster that came from other schools. 3 came last year (2 sophomores, 1 junior) and 3 this year (all juniors). Four are starters, one is out for the season with an injury, and one is a minor role player. They all came from different schools and play for 4 different clubs. They all went to Moeller for different reasons. It’s overly simplistic to suggest that they came to Moeller just to play soccer, and disingenuous to suggest that any of them were “recruited”.6 starters were recruited in from other schools. If you can’t coach em, recruit em. The sad part is he’s run off some fairly good players. Heard from multiple sources Who are in the know so to speak. Even sadder is I guess some of these kids were so disenfranchised with the politics they stopped playing all together.
I’m not going to debate this. And what your saying are facts aren’t facts. You can stick with your narrative. It’s wrong but stay with it. You seem a little sensitive. Touch a nerve? And 6 players over 2 years on a soccer roster that came from other schools. U don’t think that’s slightly high? A high school football team gets maybe one transfer a year. If that. And no the coaching staff didn’t feel strongly that every player should be part of a team in these uncertain times. The AD told them not to cut anyone. At least be honest.Please stop spreading false information. Here are the facts: There are 6 total players on Moeller’s varsity roster that came from other schools. 3 came last year (2 sophomores, 1 junior) and 3 this year (all juniors). Four are starters, one is out for the season with an injury, and one is a minor role player. They all came from different schools and play for 4 different clubs. They all went to Moeller for different reasons. It’s overly simplistic to suggest that they came to Moeller just to play soccer, and disingenuous to suggest that any of them were “recruited”.
Moeller didn’t cut any players this year because the coaching staff felt strongly that every player should be part of a team during these uncertain times. Every player that tried out was offered a spot with one of the 3 teams. It’s true that some players chose to leave the program, but that happens in every sport at every school as student-athletes progress through their four years of school. Some aren’t willing to make the commitment of effort and time. Others find that their skills aren’t equal to other players in the program. And others quit because they don’t connect with the coaches. It happens everywhere.
Please stop spreading false information. Here are the facts: There are 6 total players on Moeller’s varsity roster that came from other schools. 3 came last year (2 sophomores, 1 junior) and 3 this year (all juniors). Four are starters, one is out for the season with an injury, and one is a minor role player. They all came from different schools and play for 4 different clubs. They all went to Moeller for different reasons. It’s overly simplistic to suggest that they came to Moeller just to play soccer, and disingenuous to suggest that any of them were “recruited”.
Moeller didn’t cut any players this year because the coaching staff felt strongly that every player should be part of a team during these uncertain times. Every player that tried out was offered a spot with one of the 3 teams. It’s true that some players chose to leave the program, but that happens in every sport at every school as student-athletes progress through their four years of school. Some aren’t willing to make the commitment of effort and time. Others find that their skills aren’t equal to other players in the program. And others quit because they don’t connect with the coaches. It happens everywhere.
There are 4 varsity starters this year (CO, LP, TM, YD) that at least as of summer 2019 (the last time club soccer was actually played competitively because of covid) all play on the same club team and 3 of those 4 are part of this transfer cohort. So they HAVE played together and they DIDN'T go to Catholic grade school and DIDN'T come to Moeller until AFTER their state championship run but "its overly simplistic to suggest they came to Moeller just to play soccer?" They can spin it your way to try and get their #OHSAA exemption but get out of here with your false information plea.Please stop spreading false information. Here are the facts: There are 6 total players on Moeller’s varsity roster that came from other schools. 3 came last year (2 sophomores, 1 junior) and 3 this year (all juniors). Four are starters, one is out for the season with an injury, and one is a minor role player. They all came from different schools and play for 4 different clubs. They all went to Moeller for different reasons. It’s overly simplistic to suggest that they came to Moeller just to play soccer, and disingenuous to suggest that any of them were “recruited”.
I'm not on either side of this debate, but dude, 6 transfers to a varsity roster is huge. Not only can and probably does change the complexion of that varsity team almost completely, but it has affects that ripple through the entire program. That continously happens every year and you can expect loyal families to leave.Please stop spreading false information. Here are the facts: There are 6 total players on Moeller’s varsity roster that came from other schools. 3 came last year (2 sophomores, 1 junior) and 3 this year (all juniors). Four are starters, one is out for the season with an injury, and one is a minor role player. They all came from different schools and play for 4 different clubs. They all went to Moeller for different reasons. It’s overly simplistic to suggest that they came to Moeller just to play soccer, and disingenuous to suggest that any of them were “recruited”.
Moeller didn’t cut any players this year because the coaching staff felt strongly that every player should be part of a team during these uncertain times. Every player that tried out was offered a spot with one of the 3 teams. It’s true that some players chose to leave the program, but that happens in every sport at every school as student-athletes progress through their four years of school. Some aren’t willing to make the commitment of effort and time. Others find that their skills aren’t equal to other players in the program. And others quit because they don’t connect with the coaches. It happens everywhere.
Your absolutely right Philly. And I don’t have a dog in the fight either but I hear nothing positive from Moe families in my neighborhood. Both soccer and non soccer Moe families so something is amiss. I know some folks might be big Moe fans but come on. You can’t dismiss what’s right in front of your face. The guy not only recruits kids from other high schools and at least some recruits get HUGE tuition breaks but he recruits 8th graders. Offering varsity spots before they even get to Moeller. He spends Huge money on gear as a cheap ploy. Kids will wear the stuff to their clubs and other boys will see it And say I want to go to Moe. My kid plays soccer at another non GCL high school and this stuff wouldn’t be tolerated. When we all get together in neighborhood I get distinct feeling Moeller families embarrassed and families with younger kids saying if that’s stuff that goes on there my kids not. He also made two transfers captains this year. Joke. In my conversations do things get exaggerated? Probably to a degree but what’s in agreement is it’s wrong. I love the people who get on here and attack me or other people who say what goes on. Typical of our world today. Pick a side and dig in. What should happen is they should focus blame on the school breaking the rules. The one thing that really irritates me is it’s also not fair to other teams on schedule. Moeller would have a hard time winning many games this year if you took away transfers. Do it the honorable way. Coach up your players. That way you can at least look yourself in mirror.I'm not on either side of this debate, but dude, 6 transfers to a varsity roster is huge. Not only can and probably does change the complexion of that varsity team almost completely, but it has affects that ripple through the entire program. That continously happens every year and you can expect loyal families to leave.
Here is what I don't understand... Why are we so invested into Moeller and the coaches life? We are talking about HS Boys Soccer. This isn't life or death here. Think some folks are taking things way to far on this topic. The only way someone can be so invested and wanting so much revenge, is a unhappy parent whose son got cut recently or their kid doesn't play now because a kid transferred to Moeller legally.
Has less to do with what you are saying and more to do with people blatantly lying. If someone comes at me I tend to go back harder if I’m right. Maybe I shouldn’t so you give me something to think about there. So thank you for that. But I also don’t think there is anything wrong with calling out bad behavior. But I mention again. Focus the blame where it should be. Those breaking rules.Here is what I don't understand... Why are we so invested into Moeller and the coaches life? We are talking about HS Boys Soccer. This isn't life or death here. Think some folks are taking things way to far on this topic. The only way someone can be so invested and wanting so much revenge, is a unhappy parent whose son got cut recently or their kid doesn't play now because a kid transferred to Moeller legally.
I respect your response, so thank you for that.Has less to do with what you are saying and more to do with people blatantly lying. If someone comes at me I tend to go back harder if I’m right. Maybe I shouldn’t so you give me something to think about there. So thank you for that. But I also don’t think there is anything wrong with calling out bad behavior. But I mention again. Focus the blame where it should be. Those breaking rules.
Kids that play together in club that want to play together in high school isn’t recruiting.
A parent who teaches in a public school system where her son attends. Recognizes he needs to be put in a better situation academically and socially. And decides to not only send him but also his brother to Moe due to the academics isn’t recruiting.
Kids who want to improve their situation academically, athletically or both and decide to attend a private school isn’t recruiting.
An incoming freshman at a public school that is training with the local HS team but transfers to Moeller mid summer because their parents have concerns about the public school’s remote learning plan isn’t recruiting.
A HS coach who decides to coach club soccer to improve his coaching tactics, refine his skills and learn different styles of play and tricks he can apply in HS isn’t recruiting.
A coach who gets the latest and greatest gear for his team (for which families have to pay a participation and uniform fee) isn’t recruiting.
The fact is Moeller sells itself academically and athletically. Many of their athletic programs have had sustained success, including soccer. The coaching staff has built a family culture at Moe. The kids love playing for him and the parents are invested in the program. There’s clear and open communication from the coaching staff to the families, which is consistent throughout the school from the teachers, administrators, counselors and leadership. They have a style of play that is built on 1-2 touch possession-style soccer, which is consistent with top clubs teams across the country. This is a style of play that attracts players from top clubs as it will help further their development. It attracts college coaches to their best players for recruiting purposes. Academically the school fosters inclusion and brotherhood through their house system, mentor group and many other programs. Proven by the fact that the athletic administration and coaching staff made a joint decision to not cut anyone from the program.
Certainly Moe isn’t for everyone. They’ve had students and athletes transfer out just as they’ve transferred in. That’s what makes America great. The freedom to make a choice that is in the best interest of my family and my son. This freedom should be celebrated, rather than slandered with false accusations and hearsay behind pen names on a blog. Why not write about how great some of the transfers are doing academically, athletically and socially. Or how the Moe soccer family has welcomed them into the family. Or how much the kids respect them ... so much so that the team, not the coaching staff, voted 2 of them to be captains.
Perhaps if the academic and athletic programs were just better at all these schools, kids wouldn’t transfer. I guess it’s a lot easier to throw stones rather than put in the work to just be better.
Look, I won’t argue that the optics of the Moeller transfers are bad, at least from the outside. And in general, I’m not an advocate for kids jumping schools in high school. After all, this isn’t big-time college athletics.There are 4 varsity starters this year (CO, LP, TM, YD) that at least as of summer 2019 (the last time club soccer was actually played competitively because of covid) all play on the same club team and 3 of those 4 are part of this transfer cohort. So they HAVE played together and they DIDN'T go to Catholic grade school and DIDN'T come to Moeller until AFTER their state championship run but "its overly simplistic to suggest they came to Moeller just to play soccer?" They can spin it your way to try and get their #OHSAA exemption but get out of here with your false information plea.
And 25% of a (typical size) roster made up of transfers is always going to raise a few eyebrows (where were you a few years ago with the Deer Park basketball team transfers). If they had come to Moeller as freshman this is not even a topic of discussion, but not only is a quarter of the roster transferring in unheard of but when it also coincidentally happens during a period of needed talent influx (due to graduating two very talented senior classes and losing the most talented senior this year to not playing HS soccer) you can't argue away the skepticism as "disingenuous." I'm a Moeller fan too but I'm keeping them at arm's length on this one, not a fan of the transfer game in high school.
My point was that you indicated that 6 starters were “recruited from other schools”. That is factually wrong. There are 4 starters who weren’t at Moeller as freshmen. I won’t argue with you about how or why they ended up at Moeller, since that is open to interpretation, but the numbers are the numbers. It sounds like you might have an inside track with the Moeller AD, so maybe you can enlighten us more on what is really going on there.I’m not going to debate this. And what your saying are facts aren’t facts. You can stick with your narrative. It’s wrong but stay with it. You seem a little sensitive. Touch a nerve? And 6 players over 2 years on a soccer roster that came from other schools. U don’t think that’s slightly high? A high school football team gets maybe one transfer a year. If that. And no the coaching staff didn’t feel strongly that every player should be part of a team in these uncertain times. The AD told them not to cut anyone. At least be honest.
In fairness, the OHSAA bylaw is so broad that a coach/school would need to be very blatant in their actions to ever be found guilty of recruiting. If a student has an interest in transferring to another school and contacts the school or takes a shadow day at that school and asks for more information about a specific sport the school offers, then the coach can converse freely with the prospective student. All non-public schools have to market and “sell” the value they offer prospective students, so no one should be surprised that a lot of dialogue occurs between potential students and their families and the administrators, teachers and coaches at a school prior to enrollment. It’s a fine line for sure.Here is the OHSAA bylaw that addresses recruiting. It is worth reading to understand the context of why this discussion exists beyond just a disgruntled parent or two from the school. https://ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/Eligibility/4-9GuidanceRecruiting.pdf
Thanks for sharing this. This is actually quite fascinating to me. I had no idea that public schools actually have a recruiting advantage in that they are allowed to talk to 7/8 graders in their district which are often WAY bigger than the private schools. It is really funny that they don’t take advantage of this. I live in a very large district and there was no effort what so ever by the high school coaches to even learn what players are in their district. I even went to the open house which was overall poorly run and didn’t even have the coaches there. We made the decision on private school by visiting the open house of some private schools and were wowed by how much more maturely the kids represented themselves. ALL coaches in all sports were present at all the private schools we went to and answered all questions thoroughly. The public schools made no effort. It is almost like the gov’t vs the private sector...private sector always gets the better talent because they actually make the effort. And no...there was definitely not a discount involved.Here is the OHSAA bylaw that addresses recruiting. It is worth reading to understand the context of why this discussion exists beyond just a disgruntled parent or two from the school. https://ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/Eligibility/4-9GuidanceRecruiting.pdf