'pausing the start of the winter sports season'

hammer89

Active member
I don't think the pause was ever going to come from Dewine. It would come from the OHSAA. The OHSAA is the one who sent out a survey to all schools asking for their opinion on whether to carry on or pause. I would imagine the OHSAA will make a decision based upon responses to that survey.
OHSAA was pretty clear they sent out that survey because DeWine asked them to. No way they pause without pressure from the government.
 

JU-ICE

Member
If they are going to pause it, they need to make that decision ASAP, girls tip off this weekend and boys tip off next weekend.
 

JU-ICE

Member
The season is going to start on time. Find the stream of your favorite team and enjoy the games.
Haha, was just going to post about the release. per the survey: 56% voted to play, 33% wanted to suspend until January and 11% wanted to suspend if/when conditions changed.
 

riverroad

Member
Need a unified front on this. You could cut it in fall with outdoor sports and mostly 1-2K new cases throughout the state. This will be a patchwork of chaos with 8k and above plus indoor sports.

But bigger picture is nobody is at the wheel and we are going to take the full brunt of this in the coming months.
 

hammer89

Active member
Need a unified front on this. You could cut it in fall with outdoor sports and mostly 1-2K new cases throughout the state. This will be a patchwork of chaos with 8k and above plus indoor sports.

But bigger picture is nobody is at the wheel and we are going to take the full brunt of this in the coming months.
Disagree no one is at the wheel. Majority wanted no pause, so it's no pause. Democracy in action!
 
Anyone have an over/under on the number of weeks before the governor shuts it down because his curfew "decision not to make a decision" has absolutely zero effect on the out of control rise in cases?
 

bucksman

Moderator
Here's the problem with a shut down, what's the standard for a restart? What's the motivation for a restart? This turns into spring again.

If it's no games, yes practices - it keeps things at least somewhat normal for the student-athletes. In addition, it makes getting back to games easier. Imagine if you have multiple weeks w/out sport activity, it's going to take some time after the restart to get to games (especially when you talk about swimming and wrestling, where establishing a cardiovascular base is crucial).

The more uncertainty about a season existing, the more some people will choose to do other things and not pursue winter sports. This is if there's a complete shutdown for some period of time.
 

bucksman

Moderator
Anyone have an over/under on the number of weeks before the governor shuts it down because his curfew "decision not to make a decision" has absolutely zero effect on the out of control rise in cases?
I think that might be a goal of this. Wouldn't surprise me if you see some purple(s) tomorrow, and then by creeping purples, he gets to the shut down he wants.
 

CometCountry

Well-known member
"During a meeting that lasted more than six hours, the board voted to play an eight-week regular season in basketball that will start Jan. 4 and run through the end of February. District tournaments will start March 1 and regional tournaments on March 8. The state tournaments are tentatively set for March 17-21 and March 24-28 at Rupp Arena in Lexington."

I can see this being the template for Ohio if cases continue growing and more schools go to remote from Thanksgiving thru the Christmas holidays--let's hope Ohio can play in December but scheduling could be a doosey for AD's if cancellations get crazy--my friend who coaches at a Mid-American Conference school said many colleges are leaning toward the Pitino proposal of delaying college games and having a later May Madness---everything is day-to-day right now.

 

szerszen

Member
I like that this thread is a rational discussion!

If pausing guaranteed us no more interruptions once we started back up, then it sounds good.
The problem is, that isn’t guaranteed at all.

Hopefully we keep plugging along, schools and teams quarantine as needed, and we play as many games as we can.
For AD’s, this will be just like baseball season in terms of scheduling. Instead of rainouts though, they have Covid.
 

kingpin2010

Well-known member
"During a meeting that lasted more than six hours, the board voted to play an eight-week regular season in basketball that will start Jan. 4 and run through the end of February. District tournaments will start March 1 and regional tournaments on March 8. The state tournaments are tentatively set for March 17-21 and March 24-28 at Rupp Arena in Lexington."

I can see this being the template for Ohio if cases continue growing and more schools go to remote from Thanksgiving thru the Christmas holidays--let's hope Ohio can play in December but scheduling could be a doosey for AD's if cancellations get crazy--my friend who coaches at a Mid-American Conference school said many colleges are leaning toward the Pitino proposal of delaying college games and having a later May Madness---everything is day-to-day right now.

Pitino’s suggestion has an economic aspect to it that makes it appealing, especially to mid major schools that depend on ncaa payout- the hope being with the vaccine news they’ll be able to have large crowds for the tournament. Because if you think about it, the next 2 months are going to be the easiest for these schools as they’ll have quasi-bubbles with the rest of the student body on break, no classes etc
 

Johnson&Johnson

Active member
Let the kids play. No fans. Whatever. Let kids play.
I don't believe fans are the issue. The issue is players from other communities competing against one another in close proximity (an understatement) during a time when our "entire state is on fire". There is no way this happens successfully without a pause of sorts. We cannot just plow through it like many think we can, regardless of what the OHSAA says.
 

hammer89

Active member
I don't believe fans are the issue. The issue is players from other communities competing against one another in close proximity (an understatement) during a time when our "entire state is on fire". There is no way this happens successfully without a pause of sorts. We cannot just plow through it like many think we can, regardless of what the OHSAA says.
Is the OHSAA really saying anything other than "the people in charge of the state said sports can continue, so we aren't going to say different."

OHSAA people aren't medical professionals. If the ODH doesn't shut down sports, why the hell would they?
 

Johnson&Johnson

Active member
Is the OHSAA really saying anything other than "the people in charge of the state said sports can continue, so we aren't going to say different."

OHSAA people aren't medical professionals. If the ODH doesn't shut down sports, why the hell would they?
Why would they send out a survey to schools then hide behind the pretense that 56% of respondents wanted to push forward? It's very clear the new approach by the governor is to let everyone make a local decision. You are seeing it with these county stay at home advisories. The same here - he's letting OHSAA decide how to proceed. He took way to much flak for the shutdown and will do everything in his power to let these decisions happen elsewhere. He may have to eventually do it but not right now.
 

hammer89

Active member
Why would they send out a survey to schools then hide behind the pretense that 56% of respondents wanted to push forward? It's very clear the new approach by the governor is to let everyone make a local decision. You are seeing it with these county stay at home advisories. The same here - he's letting OHSAA decide how to proceed. He took way to much flak for the shutdown and will do everything in his power to let these decisions happen elsewhere. He may have to eventually do it but not right now.
They were very clear that they sent out that survey because the governor asked them to. They aren't hiding anything. Before the survey even happened they had announced clearly they were proceeding with winter sports as scheduled.
 

Lancer_Reups

Active member
I don't believe fans are the issue. The issue is players from other communities competing against one another in close proximity (an understatement) during a time when our "entire state is on fire". There is no way this happens successfully without a pause of sorts. We cannot just plow through it like many think we can, regardless of what the OHSAA says.
Football did but that's an outdoor sport where the transmission is less likely to happen
 

Johnson&Johnson

Active member
They were very clear that they sent out that survey because the governor asked them to. They aren't hiding anything. Before the survey even happened they had announced clearly they were proceeding with winter sports as scheduled.
It was not shared that the governor's office asked them to send it. They said "with the increased number of COVID-19 cases statewide, combined with the concerns shared by Governor DeWine in his late afternoon briefing on Nov. 11, we believe it is important to obtain feedback from our school administrators on whether we should pause the start of winter sports competition." They also indicated "we are hopeful of continuing to move forward with competition in winter sports" when they sent the survey.
 

hammer89

Active member
It was not shared that the governor's office asked them to send it. They said "with the increased number of COVID-19 cases statewide, combined with the concerns shared by Governor DeWine in his late afternoon briefing on Nov. 11, we believe it is important to obtain feedback from our school administrators on whether we should pause the start of winter sports competition." They also indicated "we are hopeful of continuing to move forward with competition in winter sports" when they sent the survey.
Yeah, hopeful as in "we hope the governor lets us." In multiple interviews, they've stated the governor/lt. governor asked them to send the survey.

Bottom line is, OHSAA shouldn't be the ones making the call if sports are safe to have during a pandemic because no one in that office is a medical professional. That's why the ohio department of health exists. THEY make health based decisions for the state, not a bunch of former athletic directors.
 

Rashaad

New member
In my opinion no one in leadership wants to make the hard decision regarding the health and welfare of the student-athletes or staffs. This is a very difficult time that we are witnessing with sports throughout the industry from high school to professionals. When student-athletes will not wear their masks, not to mention citizens that may be involved with these programs in one way or another. It will lead to basketball being shutdown due to isolated positive test results, that will negatively impact at least two teams and their staffs.
 
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