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Percidae said:
There appears to be a pattern forming of young, promising coaches looking to pad their resumes whilst using Granville as a stepping stone to greener pastures. First Justin Buttermore (Granville -> Upper Arlington) and now Schroeder.
Is this a good thing or not for Granville being the conduit for upwardly mobile coaches? On one hand, they will likely not have a difficult time finding another promising prospect. But somehow it just doesn't seem optimal to have so many coaching changes.
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Interesting thought, two things.

1. Both seem to have been great hires since the program has taken off since Buttermore was hired but it is a good question, are the wins worth starting over every few years or would it be better to have a coach for 10 years with average results?

2. Makes you wonder how much that school values athletics and in particularly football. Doesn’t sound like much effort was given to keep either maybe they believe they can keep finding high end HCs. Does Upper Arlington and Olentangy Union pay more than Granville? Better teaching situations? Were they trying to get to the OCC? Where did families want to live? I am sure a lot of thought goes in to a job change just any profession. It certainly sucks for Granville to lose both hopefully they figure out a way to keep the next guy and he has the same or better success.
 
ER8868 said:
Interesting thought, two things.

1. Both seem to have been great hires since the program has taken off since Buttermore was hired but it is a good question, are the wins worth starting over every few years or would it be better to have a coach for 10 years with average results?

2. Makes you wonder how much that school values athletics and in particularly football. Doesn’t sound like much effort was given to keep either maybe they believe they can keep finding high end HCs. Does Upper Arlington and Olentangy Union pay more than Granville? Better teaching situations? Were they trying to get to the OCC? Where did families want to live? I am sure a lot of thought goes in to a job change just any profession. It certainly sucks for Granville to lose both hopefully they figure out a way to keep the next guy and he has the same or better success.
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It’s not like college, where Norvell, Lanning, and Sarkisian all go to their ADs and demand more money, and get it with a snap of their fingers. These contracts are supplemental contracts in union negotiated agreements…they are what they are.

I can’t speak for Granville, but I know UA and Olentangy both pay very, very well. In this instance it mirrors pretty well that Granville is a very strong mid-major, but they can’t compete with Power 5 numbers.

Props to their team for nailing their last two hires…it should make their community feel confident about this upcoming hire.
 
Percidae said:
There appears to be a pattern forming of young, promising coaches looking to pad their resumes whilst using Granville as a stepping stone to greener pastures. First Justin Buttermore (Granville -> Upper Arlington) and now Schroeder.
Is this a good thing or not for Granville being the conduit for upwardly mobile coaches? On one hand, they will likely not have a difficult time finding another promising prospect. But somehow it just doesn't seem optimal to have so many coaching changes.
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I don’t think Granville pays quite as well as Olentangy or UA but Granville is the top 10 in the state in the median income so it’s a pretty wealthy district. Coach Schroeder lives very close to Orange high school and his nephew is on the team. I think Granville is a great job. Im sure they will have plenty of good applicants.
 
Granville has historically not paid well and have forced their coach to teach a full load. In Granville, football is given no priority over any other sport. These factors have made the past several coaches rethink their careers.
 
browns64 said:
I don’t think Granville pays quite as well as Olentangy or UA but Granville is the top 10 in the state in the median income so it’s a pretty wealthy district. Coach Schroeder lives very close to Orange high school and his nephew is on the team. I think Granville is a great job. Im sure they will have plenty of good applicants.
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He was also an assistant at Liberty for 3-4 years so he knows the district.
 
browns64 said:
I don’t think Granville pays quite as well as Olentangy or UA but Granville is the top 10 in the state in the median income so it’s a pretty wealthy district. Coach Schroeder lives very close to Orange high school and his nephew is on the team. I think Granville is a great job. Im sure they will have plenty of good applicants.
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Where did you find the data that says Granville School district is top 10 in median income? I thought they were wealthy not that wealthy.
 
browns64 said:
I don’t think Granville pays quite as well as Olentangy or UA but Granville is the top 10 in the state in the median income so it’s a pretty wealthy district. Coach Schroeder lives very close to Orange high school and his nephew is on the team. I think Granville is a great job. Im sure they will have plenty of good applicants.
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If you are talking about teaching salaries, of course Columbus suburban schools will pay more, economies of scale are just very different in large school districts. It is also true that Granville goes out of its way to not make sports in general important. So football is certainly not the most important sport there, none are considered the most important.
 
The Insider said:
Granville has historically not paid well and have forced their coach to teach a full load. In Granville, football is given no priority over any other sport. These factors have made the past several coaches rethink their careers.
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Granville will have no problem finding a good coach. I'm not sure where the idea of football not being a priority comes from, considering they just recently renovated the entire stadium complex and installed an amazing turf field, so I'm puzzled about that notion.

Granville is a wealthy, college town with Denison being right down the road. In Licking County this is easily be the most sought after coaching position. Their entire athletic programs are generally competetive for league championships. They offer sports that the majority of Licking County does not. Lots of things that make this a desirable position. Very few schools have a Randy Baughman type coach that is there long enough they name the stadium after him while he's still coaching.
 
LCL said:
Granville will have no problem finding a good coach. I'm not sure where the idea of football not being a priority comes from, considering they just recently renovated the entire stadium complex and installed an amazing turf field, so I'm puzzled about that notion.

Granville is a wealthy, college town with Denison being right down the road. In Licking County this is easily be the most sought after coaching position. Their entire athletic programs are generally competetive for league championships. They offer sports that the majority of Licking County does not. Lots of things that make this a desirable position. Very few schools have a Randy Baughman type coach that is there long enough they name the stadium after him while he's still coaching.
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I have heard the stands are very small for a school that size and they built a locker room big enough for all sports except football, Is that true? That would be crazy, if the football team didn’t use the locker room at their football stadium.
 
LCL said:
Granville will have no problem finding a good coach. I'm not sure where the idea of football not being a priority comes from, considering they just recently renovated the entire stadium complex and installed an amazing turf field, so I'm puzzled about that notion.

Granville is a wealthy, college town with Denison being right down the road. In Licking County this is easily be the most sought after coaching position. Their entire athletic programs are generally competetive for league championships. They offer sports that the majority of Licking County does not. Lots of things that make this a desirable position. Very few schools have a Randy Baughman type coach that is there long enough they name the stadium after him while he's still coaching.
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New stadium doesn't always mean football is a priority. I know A LOT of schools that refer to the stadium as the athletic field, not the football field and football doesn't get priority. The other aspect that was mentioned was HC being on a full teaching plan. A lot of schools are starting to give their HCs a limited schedule. Being a HC now is a lot more work than it has ever been. The HC needs time to do things that are "required".

With that being said, I am excited to see who Granville brings in. Whoever it is will be set up. Seems like the program is trending in an upward path! Hopefully we will see that is due to the culture of the community and school, not just the HC.
 
FballFan91 said:
New stadium doesn't always mean football is a priority. I know A LOT of schools that refer to the stadium as the athletic field, not the football field and football doesn't get priority. The other aspect that was mentioned was HC being on a full teaching plan. A lot of schools are starting to give their HCs a limited schedule. Being a HC now is a lot more work than it has ever been. The HC needs time to do things that are "required".

With that being said, I am excited to see who Granville brings in. Whoever it is will be set up. Seems like the program is trending in an upward path! Hopefully we will see that is due to the culture of the community and school, not just the HC.
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Interesting take. So is it safe to say Granville is academic school first and then athletics? I would assume they will find a good coach there. Do you think the old coach taught a full day? I mean Granville has money, so you would assume he had a lighter schedule.
 
WilsonStripes said:
Interesting take. So is it safe to say Granville is academic school first and then athletics? I would assume they will find a good coach there. Do you think the old coach taught a full day? I mean Granville has money, so you would assume he had a lighter schedule.
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Don't they have Zane Trace's coach on staff? didn't he leave there for at teaching position at Granville?
 
when is the last time Granville didn't have success in football or athletics? the set up/make up/league affiliation/etc, makes Granville an attractive for young up-and-coming coaches because success is set up and gives you a chance to move on to a higher level position quickly.
 
coachrios said:
when is the last time Granville didn't have success in football or athletics? the set up/make up/league affiliation/etc, makes Granville an attractive for young up-and-coming coaches because success is set up and gives you a chance to move on to a higher level position quickly.
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I do know Buttermore won the first ever playoff game (2018) in the long history of that school. Sounds like they’ve always been average or slightly above and Buttermore changed that.
 
FballFan91 said:
New stadium doesn't always mean football is a priority. I know A LOT of schools that refer to the stadium as the athletic field, not the football field and football doesn't get priority. The other aspect that was mentioned was HC being on a full teaching plan. A lot of schools are starting to give their HCs a limited schedule. Being a HC now is a lot more work than it has ever been. The HC needs time to do things that are "required".

With that being said, I am excited to see who Granville brings in. Whoever it is will be set up. Seems like the program is trending in an upward path! Hopefully we will see that is due to the culture of the community and school, not just the HC.
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Those schools have better Soccer and Girls Field Hockey teams than their FB Team. LOL
 
ER8868 said:
I do know Buttermore won the first ever playoff game (2018) in the long history of that school. Sounds like they’ve always been average or slightly above and Buttermore changed that.
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A lot of 8-2/9-1 seasons before that, but Buttermore definitely raised the level
 
As a member of the Granville community and a father who has had several children participate in athletics at Granville in both boys and girls sports (football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, girls basketball, and girls tennis) I would agree with the notion that athletics are not a focal point of the school district. The education is good, the support of athletics leaves a lot to be desired. Just because a new stadium was built (by donations) does not mean that the football team receives the needed support from the school system. The success of the athletic teams is more indicative of playing in a league with inferior competition than the true talent of the teams. Look at the playoff success in boys basketball as an example. LCL champs almost every year with a first round tournament exit more often than not.
In regards to football, from the 2017 season to the 2023 season, the football team has a record of 66-16....Granville is Division III for football with nearly half of their wins coming against smaller schools:
Division 1- 0-0 (not a single game against a D1 school in 7 years)
Division 2- 14-2 (impressive until you look at the D2 schools they have beaten)
Division 3- 22-9 (includes playoffs)
Division 4- 20-4
Division 5- 9-1
Division 6- 1-0
Division 7- 0-0

Granville is definitely a good coaching job as the schedule allows for 7-8 easy victories per year, with 2 possible losses each year. Whoever gets this job will win and build a resume for a larger program. Just the way it is....
 
Crusader in CBus said:
As a member of the Granville community and a father who has had several children participate in athletics at Granville in both boys and girls sports (football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, girls basketball, and girls tennis) I would agree with the notion that athletics are not a focal point of the school district. The education is good, the support of athletics leaves a lot to be desired. Just because a new stadium was built (by donations) does not mean that the football team receives the needed support from the school system. The success of the athletic teams is more indicative of playing in a league with inferior competition than the true talent of the teams. Look at the playoff success in boys basketball as an example. LCL champs almost every year with a first round tournament exit more often than not.
In regards to football, from the 2017 season to the 2023 season, the football team has a record of 66-16....Granville is Division III for football with nearly half of their wins coming against smaller schools:
Division 1- 0-0 (not a single game against a D1 school in 7 years)
Division 2- 14-2 (impressive until you look at the D2 schools they have beaten)
Division 3- 22-9 (includes playoffs)
Division 4- 20-4
Division 5- 9-1
Division 6- 1-0
Division 7- 0-0

Granville is definitely a good coaching job as the schedule allows for 7-8 easy victories per year, with 2 possible losses each year. Whoever gets this job will win and build a resume for a larger program. Just the way it is....
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Also having had kids in this district and in athletics, I need to push back a little on a couple of your observations. But first, agreement. Athletics are not the focal point this is true. But should they be? Methinks not. There should be a balance and I think Granville strikes a pretty good balance. Academics, arts and athletics all are supported at Granville and since the school is filled with high and overachievers, they succeed at all three at very high levels. I don't understand where folks are coming from with the statements about Granville not supporting athletics. How is this lack of support exhibited? I don't see it.

For football, there has definitely been a change since the Buttermore regime. Granville has always been able to score points. Where they had been lacking in the past was overall toughness and defense. Buttermore changed that in a big way. That culture persisted through with Schreoder. As long as the next coach doesn't do anything to disturb this fledgling new "toughness" culture, they should continue to do well. They have always been undersized, athletic and fast and that will likely continue.

Across most sports, I do see an effort by the board to hire better coaches. I think this is the most important step when it comes to supporting athletics. They have rung up a few state championships and competed for several others in the past decade or so on the girls side. So I don't buy your premise of looking successful only because they are in a week league. It varies with each sport. Do you think the LCL girls softball is a week league?

The best situation for football would be to find someone that has kids that they would like to have in Granville Schools for the duration because of what it has to offer. This will be tough because not many teachers can afford to buy property in the district.
 
Percidae said:
Also having had kids in this district and in athletics, I need to push back a little on a couple of your observations. But first, agreement. Athletics are not the focal point this is true. But should they be? Methinks not. There should be a balance and I think Granville strikes a pretty good balance. Academics, arts and athletics all are supported at Granville and since the school is filled with high and overachievers, they succeed at all three at very high levels. I don't understand where folks are coming from with the statements about Granville not supporting athletics. How is this lack of support exhibited? I don't see it.

For football, there has definitely been a change since the Buttermore regime. Granville has always been able to score points. Where they had been lacking in the past was overall toughness and defense. Buttermore changed that in a big way. That culture persisted through with Schreoder. As long as the next coach doesn't do anything to disturb this fledgling new "toughness" culture, they should continue to do well. They have always been undersized, athletic and fast and that will likely continue.

Across most sports, I do see an effort by the board to hire better coaches. I think this is the most important step when it comes to supporting athletics. They have rung up a few state championships and competed for several others in the past decade or so on the girls side. So I don't buy your premise of looking successful only because they are in a week league. It varies with each sport. Do you think the LCL girls softball is a week league?

The best situation for football would be to find someone that has kids that they would like to have in Granville Schools for the duration because of what it has to offer. This will be tough because not many teachers can afford to buy property in the district.
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Below is the list of median (middle of the pack) sold houses in the following communities from Zillow over the last year. Granville is not as “exclusive” as you might think. Wealthy no doubt but if you have 2 incomes it is definitely affordable as many teachers in central Ohio are making 6 figures+ nowadays. I am willing to bet thousands of teachers live in the districts below. Granville will find a good one.

New Albany 566,725
Upper Arlington 565,146
Powell 539,662
Dublin 537, 254
Bexley 530, 386
Granville 485,248
Lewis Center 475, 408
Westerville 405,556
 
ER8868 said:
Below is the list of median (middle of the pack) sold houses in the following communities from Zillow over the last year. Granville is not as “exclusive” as you might think. Wealthy no doubt but if you have 2 incomes it is definitely affordable as many teachers in central Ohio are making 6 figures+ nowadays. I am willing to bet thousands of teachers live in the districts below. Granville will find a good one.

New Albany 566,725
Upper Arlington 565,146
Powell 539,662
Dublin 537, 254
Bexley 530, 386
Granville 485,248
Lewis Center 475, 408
Westerville 405,556
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"many teachers in central Ohio are making 6 figures+ nowadays."

Irrelevant though, to a football coach candidate because school districts won't let someone making 100k teaching at Olentangy/Westerville/Dublin/etc. come to Granville and match the salary.

Granville's pool of candidates will be:
A. a young teacher in their 20s who can move districts to Granville without taking a paycut with their years
B. a retired teacher or someone who works in the private sector
C. Someone currently on staff
 
4verts said:
"many teachers in central Ohio are making 6 figures+ nowadays."

Irrelevant though, to a football coach candidate because school districts won't let someone making 100k teaching at Olentangy/Westerville/Dublin/etc. come to Granville and match the salary.

Granville's pool of candidates will be:
A. a young teacher in their 20s who can move districts to Granville without taking a paycut with their years
B. a retired teacher or someone who works in the private sector
C. Someone currently on staff
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You are probably right. They likely aren’t going to land a homerun but can likely find a quality coach from one of those 3 categories.
 
ER8868 said:
You are probably right. They likely aren’t going to land a homerun but can likely find a quality coach from one of those 3 categories.
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This is the reason Westerville can only get coaches who are very young or retired teachers as coaches. Westerville will only give you five years experience so most coaches have to take a pay cut unless they’re young and coming from a small district or retired. Really limits the pool of canidates.
 
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