OATCCC Proposal To Be Considered By OHSAA

Runningfast

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I like it. Align all the sports. Buy us a little more prep time. Makes the transition from wrestling, swimming, or basketball more rushed, but that can be sorted out with the athlete.
 

JAVMAN83

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Good proposal by OATCCC. I like all the points mentioned, and I hope it passes. #2 is of very practical and IMHO, of necessary import.
 
More time with athletes can always be a good thing, but some of the big issues in my mind are still left hanging. Where did the proposal for additional divisions go? Is there consideration for unequal numbers of teams per division to make them more like-sized? I saw on another thread that Howland girls are looking strong but went D1 with 340 girls. They will face schools 3 and 4 times their size yet OATCCC does not address this year after year.
 

panott

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More time with athletes can always be a good thing, but some of the big issues in my mind are still left hanging. Where did the proposal for additional divisions go? Is there consideration for unequal numbers of teams per division to make them more like-sized? I saw on another thread that Howland girls are looking strong but went D1 with 340 girls. They will face schools 3 and 4 times their size yet OATCCC does not address this year after year.
The Ohsaa is working on divisions so there is not a Cross Country proposal along these lines. The 4 divisions for track has been presented and is currently in the hands of the Ohsaa.
 

yj_runfan

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More time with athletes can always be a good thing, but some of the big issues in my mind are still left hanging. Where did the proposal for additional divisions go? Is there consideration for unequal numbers of teams per division to make them more like-sized? I saw on another thread that Howland girls are looking strong but went D1 with 340 girls. They will face schools 3 and 4 times their size yet OATCCC does not address this year after year.
This will always be an issue unless you have a division for the top 15 or so schools in the state. It just isn’t practical. Even if you limit D1 to 500 or 600 boys or girls they would still be competing with schools twice their size.
 
I agree, but schools competing against those twice their size is a start, and much more equitable than competing against 3-4 times their size.
 

psycho_dad

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I'm not 100% sold on the proposal to move the start of practice up. I can't remember the last time we were able to get HJ or PV matts out before mid/late March. Can't jump in the LJ pit until then anyway either. Throws area is usually under snow too. We have to fight for gym space with the other spring sports. Our distance kids are ready to go from day one and are working hard before the first day of practice anyway, so they don't need the extra few weeks. Schools below Mansfield will gain a big advantage but those of us in the north and in the snow belt will get nothing much out of an earlier start date. The OATCCC indoor state meet would be after the start of outdoor practice. I'm not sure that makes sense.

I am not a teacher, so I take a pay hit from my regular job to coach. Gladly! However, I would not get paid more to coach, but would have to take the hit from my regular job for 2 more weeks. That's not insignificant. I'll still do it and won't complain, but it's a reality.

As far as performances go, I'm not sure we need the extra practice. Times and performances are already outstanding.

I will start practice the first day they say I can, but I'm not sure this is all that great an idea. We do not have the facilities to not be outside.

As far as divisions go... D3 1-150. D2 151-300. D1A 301-600 D1B 601+ Something close to that. would be something I'd look at.
 

Mr. Slippery

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I'm not 100% sold on the proposal to move the start of practice up. I can't remember the last time we were able to get HJ or PV matts out before mid/late March. Can't jump in the LJ pit until then anyway either. Throws area is usually under snow too. We have to fight for gym space with the other spring sports. Our distance kids are ready to go from day one and are working hard before the first day of practice anyway, so they don't need the extra few weeks. Schools below Mansfield will gain a big advantage but those of us in the north and in the snow belt will get nothing much out of an earlier start date. The OATCCC indoor state meet would be after the start of outdoor practice. I'm not sure that makes sense.

I am not a teacher, so I take a pay hit from my regular job to coach. Gladly! However, I would not get paid more to coach, but would have to take the hit from my regular job for 2 more weeks. That's not insignificant. I'll still do it and won't complain, but it's a reality.

As far as performances go, I'm not sure we need the extra practice. Times and performances are already outstanding.

I will start practice the first day they say I can, but I'm not sure this is all that great an idea. We do not have the facilities to not be outside.

As far as divisions go... D3 1-150. D2 151-300. D1A 301-600 D1B 601+ Something close to that. would be something I'd look at.
Similar boat here. My school doesn't possess great options for indoor training unless we want more of our athletes to have shin splints earlier than usual (our floors are HARD). Also, our biggest obstacle to getting kids out and/or getting them to stay out for track and field is the weather. Starting in February won't improve the odds of us avoiding the kind of weather that makes kids want to quit. I also enjoy having the winter sport athletes get some time off before track and field season begins unless their winter sports teams make a memorable tournament run. In which case, I'd still want them to have some time off but don't want them fretting because track and field season has already officially begun.

Despite being against this proposal, I can see where schools that don't have many track and field athletes involved in winter sports would be in favor of it.
 
I saw the earlier date as an opportunity for schools to take a more conservative approach with two additional weeks for basic conditioning and strengthening without specific sprint or field event specifics. I think any coach knows how many get hurt early in the season due to getting too specific and aggressive too early.

I also thought about pay for the extra two weeks and situations like PD shared. When I coached I had 2-3 volunteers every season. I only skimmed the OHSAA proposal but thought they specifically addressed it implying a district had no expectation to increase compensation.
 
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