Northwest Ohio Realignment

smurfyeah19

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From the Crescent News:


Looks like they’re trying to put pressure on Swanton, Delta, & Evergreen with all schools deciding to stay.

I still can’t believe that the fate of Northwest Ohio sporting leagues are all in the hands of Swantucky people.. which i feel is a slap to the face to every athletic board in the area.

These people from Swanton should really be ashamed of themselves.
Sad thing is the stretch where they had a legit coach (Vicars) they were pretty competitive. It's why this needing to bounce leagues is overblown at times, great coaches can turn just about any program around. As I said earlier, an NBC/NWOAL champ would for sure at least be a 7-3 team in the NLL.
 

Rolly67

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As I said earlier, an NBC/NWOAL champ would for sure at least be a 7-3 team in the NLL.
That's an interesting take, let's use 2019 Liberty Center-NWOAL co-champ. Only have one team in the NLL for comparisons but LC beat Napoleon 26-7. Napoleon then went 4-3 in the NLL with losses to Springfield(13-20) AW(0-21) and Perrysburg(7-31) So, replace Napoleon with LC and you think they have those same 3 losses? 2018 is worse for this argument as LC wasn't even league champs and they blanked Napoleon 21-0 who went on to go 5-2 in the NLL.
 

JJ_Dad

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I think the “current format” in the letters to the BOE are telling, they are all leaving the door open.

I think if Swanton, Delta, Evergreen leave for the new conference, which appears likely, we’ll see Patrick Henry follow suit to the BVC. This would leave Wauseon, Bryan, and Archbold to jump to the NLL together, and potentially bring along Defiance. I think Defiance would only consider the move if they had the stability of a league that involves those three plus Napoleon, BG, and Maumee in the same division. I just don’t see the people in Defiance wanting to leave a stable conference for a depleted NWOAL. I would love the NWOAL to stay together but I don't see how they get to eight teams. Even if you add Napoleon and Defiance and get to six teams, I have to think Liberty Center will be always looking for something that fits them better as they will be overmatched in everything but football and cross country.

Personally, I think it’s in Liberty Center’s best interest to join the NBC, or the newly created league Swanton is pushing for. They would fit perfectly in the new league in terms of enrollment, location, and competitiveness, but we’ll see if they let them in. In my opinion there is no excuse not to.
 

dhsdog06

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That's an interesting take, let's use 2019 Liberty Center-NWOAL co-champ. Only have one team in the NLL for comparisons but LC beat Napoleon 26-7. Napoleon then went 4-3 in the NLL with losses to Springfield(13-20) AW(0-21) and Perrysburg(7-31) So, replace Napoleon with LC and you think they have those same 3 losses? 2018 is worse for this argument as LC wasn't even league champs and they blanked Napoleon 21-0 who went on to go 5-2 in the NLL.
Hence "at least." Size be damed, some of those LC, Archbold, and Wauseon teams could have possibly won the NLL.

For further comparison, changing leagues a bit. Let's take the 2020 7th place NLL Southview and 2020 WBL 10th place Defiance. Both went 1-9. 3 common opponents.

Napoleon: Defiance 28-0, Southview 35-0
Bowling Green: Defiance 56-13 (Defiance actually came close to outgaining them, somehow), Southview 19-14 (what the HELL happened? BG playing all JV once out of the playoffs?

But the big one that sticks out.

Lima Shawnee: Defiance 7-0, Southview 40-0.

Shawnee scored 44 points combined in their first 4 games, and 128 all season. Never more than 21 in ANY game, except that outburst.

My point here? Not to kick the NLL, but the bottom of the WBL would compete very well and probably beat Maumee, the Sylvania schools, and maybe even Springfield. And I bet we can say the same about most leagues in the area. Hell a middle of the road GMC team beat Maumee 55-6.....
 

jafo

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While it’s a basketball thing, it also speaks to the animosity in the TRAC and he brought that up in the article.
Exactly, and it was discussed earlier in this thread which is why I posted it here. You are now free to go back to the league change discussion (you always were) and your never-ending reports from "very reliable sources".
 

NLLBEST

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Southview and Maumee are at historical lows in terms of football success over the last three seasons. Springfield was bound to drop off once Gucciardo left. If you go back any further than that I think you’d be hard pressed to find seasons where the NLL wasn’t on another level compared to the NBC and NWOAL. In 2017 Springfield, AW, Maumee and Northview were all very solid. BG finished 6th and went 3-4 in conference and beat tied for second in the NBC Otsego (6-1) by 14 for the 4th of 5 straight times before the game wasn’t renewed in ‘19.

That 2014 Springfield team went 4-3 in conference with all 4 wins coming by 5 points or less. I know a win is a win but they could have just as easily gone 0-7 that season. Swanton on the other hand lost 2 of 3 conference games by less than a touchdown.
 
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NLLBEST

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Maybe if the best players in Maumee Youth Football over the last decade didn’t become all league players at Eastwood, Perrysburg, and SJJ among other schools they wouldn’t be in the situation they are now and I believe that problem has been solved recently.
 

Hback

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Maybe if the best players in Maumee Youth Football over the last decade didn’t become all league players at Eastwood, Perrysburg, and SJJ among other schools they wouldn’t be in the situation they are now and I believe that problem has been solved recently.
What Maumee kids have gone to Eastwood?
 

smurfyeah19

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That's an interesting take, let's use 2019 Liberty Center-NWOAL co-champ. Only have one team in the NLL for comparisons but LC beat Napoleon 26-7. Napoleon then went 4-3 in the NLL with losses to Springfield(13-20) AW(0-21) and Perrysburg(7-31) So, replace Napoleon with LC and you think they have those same 3 losses? 2018 is worse for this argument as LC wasn't even league champs and they blanked Napoleon 21-0 who went on to go 5-2 in the NLL.
And also look at some of the teams Genoa & Eastwood have had in the NBC. Hell 2017 Eastwood waxed both a 5-5 BG and a 6-4 Maumee squad. The NLL is not this juggernaut league, so the fact that a school like Maumee has to leave such convenience because they are THAT bad in athletics is telling, especially when NBC/NWOAL schools have been fielding better teams with 300-450 students.

And then with the TRAC, it's pure stupidity to try and leave the private schools when you'll still meet up with them in the playoffs/postseason in sports
 

NLLBEST

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What Maumee kids have gone to Eastwood?
The problem is they weren’t “Maumee kids” just played for Maumees youth teams. Specifically one who has a couple brothers playing now.

And also look at some of the teams Genoa & Eastwood have had in the NBC. Hell 2017 Eastwood waxed both a 5-5 BG and a 6-4 Maumee squad.
Yes the 2nd best team in d5 in 2017 beat Maumee (4th in the nll) by 20 ..closest game they had all year outside of Genoa (who was ranked #1 in d5 the next year) and their state semi and championship games. I don’t think that’s a reflection of a bad NLL. Also, BG beat both Otsego and Rossford that year from the NBC...
 
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NLLBEST

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Last year’s Maumee team may not have gotten it done against the TAAC.
Go look back at Maumees record in 99-00 or 06-07 then look at their records from 01-04 and 08-11. Part of it is that its cyclical, and part is how the program has been handled from the bottom up, I believe better days are ahead.
 

ToledoGuy

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Like I've said numerous times on here over the past month...the logical end to this journey is Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance and a 4th team (likely Archbold/L-B) in a small school division and the TRAC publics in a large school division with the respective NLL schools by enrollment. This whole NWOAL/TAAC thing looking to progress just further solidifies that for me. Only thing that stops that from happening are illogical arguments (let's keep losing by 10 scores in every sport instead of driving an extra 20 minutes).
 

Daddy_Chill

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I wonder how the people of Swanton and the actual kids who go to the school feel about this or if it’s just being driven by an AD feeling pressure to get results. Like have they done any sort of public correspondence or open forum where Swantonians can voice their opinion??
 

ToledoGuy

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I wonder how the people of Swanton and the actual kids who go to the school feel about this or if it’s just being driven by an AD feeling pressure to get results. Like have they done any sort of public correspondence or open forum where Swantonians can voice their opinion??
Athletes normally don't care all that much WHO they play as long as their primary rivals are on the schedules (source: me, coaching for two separate high schools who changed conferences in the state of Ohio through the years).
 

buccaneers2002

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So basically, from what you are saying, if a Catholic school gets good at a particular sport they should go independent for their sports? The only programs from the Catholic schools that have had consistent success are Central in football, Notre Dame in basketball, St. Ursula in volleyball, and St. Francis in hockey. The rest of all of their sports are decent, but definitely not dominant.
St. John's in tennis. They've won all but one of the TRAC championships and they won the final 8 years they were in the City League. That's 15 league titles in 16 years. Add in 7 state final four appearances in that span.
 

eastisbest

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.. article on Van Slooten controversy.
Briggs-Why-did-one-coach-vote-VanSlooten-13th-in-the-district/stories/20210223107
1) They're behind a payroll Jafo. No one can read it.
2) What I was able to see with a couple refreshes before that big window loaded up too fast, the journalist gets a reasoned explanation from the coach. This is good. Then the "journalist" editorializes that the explanation is reasoned. Then the "journalist" editorialized for what looked like many pages, how the real reasons were something much more diabolical. It was a piece of . Best I could gather.

So let's editorialize.

What has this blockhead ever done in life? Compared to a coach? Compared to anyone who works, with people? Ever built anything? Created a business? A charity? Did he even succeed in the areas on which he reports? Or did he..

go to middle school, go to high school, sleep through a few college classes on writing, then begin a job editorializing about people that actually do things? Why do WE give a pass to a person who spent one paragraph on journalism and what looked like it must have been several pages on editorializing? This person who .... has ..... done ...... nothing.

What's his agenda? What are his biases? If newspapers want to use the writing skills of the people in their employ to write fiction, not a bad idea. But separate it from the journalism.

On message boards we get to editorialize. You posted a link to crap Jafo. An attack job on the presumed intentions and on the person of someone that doesn't have equal resources to fire back. Crap that has become so normal, we accept it without challenge so that the next generations think it's journalism.

Well, I hope I got that right. Only had a few seconds to gather facts before the paywall went up.
 
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Rolly67

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Oh look another adult with a derogatory term that works to insult a local city and an entire state. Classy.
A. Swanton is a village and having lived in and paid taxes to said village for 2 1/2 years I wore that term as a badge of honor. B. I have nothing against the Bluegrass State as I had 2 chicken little sandwiches for lunch last Saturday. C. If you are looking for classy I would suggest things like the opening of a car dealership or Mr. Peanut, not a Football sports forum on Yappi.com
 
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green_genes

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The problem is they weren’t “Maumee kids” just played for Maumees youth teams. Specifically one who has a couple brothers playing now.



Yes the 2nd best team in d5 in 2017 beat Maumee (4th in the nll) by 20 ..closest game they had all year outside of Genoa (who was ranked #1 in d5 the next year) and their state semi and championship games. I don’t think that’s a reflection of a bad NLL. Also, BG beat both Otsego and Rossford that year from the NBC...
The Dad is a Maumee Police Officer. They are very good 3 sport athletes, but I doubt they were ever going to Maumee.

Is your argument that the kids from Perrysburg/Eastwood/etc. were taking playing time away from Maumee kids at the youth level? I always assumed that Maumee would stay away from open enrollment to protect home values in the fairgrounds/turnpike area - not sure if that's still the case.

I think the point that some others have made about home values/kids aging out of the system but the parents staying has had a pretty big impact on Maumee athletically. Rossford is in the same situation, but it seems like they're maybe a few years ahead of Maumee in the cycle and starting to see some turnover in housing stock.
 
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