MassillonTigers3
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I do.We can talk about lawsuits all day, however, I have yet to see a school in Ohio with a plan to get going in three days yet. Anybody see or know any districts that are? Shows the lack of preparation.
I do.We can talk about lawsuits all day, however, I have yet to see a school in Ohio with a plan to get going in three days yet. Anybody see or know any districts that are? Shows the lack of preparation.
I do.
Coaches work with the AD's of course.What's the agenda? Not trolling here, just want to see what schools are doing, have yet to see any. "Coaches have agendas". Coaches don't have anything. Their ADs tell them what they can and can not do.
We can talk about lawsuits all day, however, I have yet to see a school in Ohio with a plan to get going in three days yet. Anybody see or know any districts that are? Shows the lack of preparation.
Yes, and those waivers are essentially worthless as well. I was referring to new Covid waivers. With or without waivers, if a schools acts negligently they can lose a suit. If they do not act negligently, they will win any suit.First, there is no right to not get sick.
Second, every school has athletes and parents sign a waiver now.
If kids are working out at the facilities, kids can go back to school this fall.
False. The OHSAA and accompanying school systems have never lost a lawsuit related to HIV, Hepatitis, or any other virus since implementing said waivers. Again.....sports are a privilege that come with risk. If you or anyone doesn’t like a virus that has a .00005% mortality rate outside our long term care facilities, then don’t have your kids or grandkids play ball. Take the privilege away.Yes, and those waivers are essentially worthless as well. I was referring to new Covid waivers. With or without waivers, if a schools acts negligently they can lose a suit. If they do not act negligently, they will win any suit.
Additionally, I saw a report last week that over 60% of the people who've allegedly died from this virus in Ohio were already in nursing homes. T
Name one time an OHSAA waiver has EVER lost in a lawsuit. Ever. Please. This is the most ridiculous argument. “We will cry and sue you if we get a cold”.And that's one of the main things causing holdup. How do they open these things safely without endangering the school year. I really don't understand how people don't think there will be no liability. And waivers are literally ruled against daily in court rooms across America. I'll admit being wrong on the mask rule but my argument stands. And I'm not sure how fast people think these things get through court but at this point any suit would must likely end up with a temporary order allowing the kids to play while the case proceeded. I'd say in most counties you're looking at maybe Sept/Oct at the earliest before anythings heard due to COVID. I guess a judge could move it up on their docket if they found the case important enough. The whole time legal fees are adding up. And you can literally sue for anything....but they aren't just dismissed like people think. That's an argument for a different day.
Passing the buck to different groups has lead to nothing but confusion. I would be upset if I was a parent because the government said schools could open. And we're three days away and nobody knows what's going on. I'm sure coaches are talking to their AD's. What are their ADs saying? That decision's over the Ads pay grade right? Lets take the legal aspect out of it. When there's public outcry, we're very split on this topic as a country, who's willing to stand up and say it was my decision and I stand by it?
Specific examples. Citations and find one about viruses please.Their insurance company has paid on numerous suits. Not sure if you consider that losing because an agreement was reached. And OHSAA literally lost in court over clearly stated rules just prior to the shut down. It was a complete embarrassment for them and they tucked their tail and walked. No appeal even though the rules were clearly written to prob 95% of us.
I don't know why you think OHSAA (an organization), is any different than public or private companies? The things people "sign-off" on are argued every day in courts. They surely aren't fool proof. Believe what you want though.
False. The OHSAA and accompanying school systems have never lost a lawsuit related to HIV, Hepatitis, or any other virus since implementing said waivers. Again.....sports are a privilege that come with risk. If you or anyone doesn’t like a virus that has a .00005% mortality rate outside our long term care facilities, then don’t have your kids or grandkids play ball. Take the privilege away.
False. The OHSAA and accompanying school systems have never lost a lawsuit related to HIV, Hepatitis, or any other virus since implementing said waivers. Again.....sports are a privilege that come with risk. If you or anyone doesn’t like a virus that has a .00005% mortality rate outside our long term care facilities, then don’t have your kids or grandkids play ball. Take the privilege away.
So basically now we are on to civil suits that may or may not have been brought against the OHSAA and viruses that are far more likely to kill you and/or have long term effects, we have never heard about when it comes to lawsuits. Furthermore, athletes specifically sign off on a waiver that they are taking the risk. Yet, if said waiver adds Covid, suddenly there will be a switch flipped that will allow mysterious civil suits to come in abundance. Got it. Sounds far fetched but if it fits your narrative, I must be wrong.I have no clue about ones they've lost/settled due to viruses. On the other hand, I can't name one brought because of transmission of hepatitis. I'm not an expert regarding COVID but I'm pretty sure there's a different form of transmission. Which is why all these additional guidelines are important. And they must ensure they're meeting the highest standards for the safety of their students, staff and public. Can anyone tell me what that is?
OHSAA HAS PRIVATLY SETTLED NUMEROUS SUITS OVER THE YEARS. PARTIES CAN NOT DISCLOSE INFORMATION ABOUT SETTLEMENT. This is how nearly every civil suit ends. Most before the suit is even filed.
Name one time an OHSAA waiver has EVER lost in a lawsuit. Ever. Please. This is the most ridiculous argument. “We will cry and sue you if we get a cold”.
If you don’t want your kids in sports or school, then there’s alternatives.
Cool story. What is the relevance to Ohio?Champ coach suspended after alleged practices
The coach of one of Florida's top high school football programs has been suspended and an investigation launched into whether the team that has won state championships in each of the past three seasons broke policies by practicing during the pandemic.www.espn.com
Cool story. What is the relevance to Ohio?
You’re missing the point and don’t understand law. First of all, I have been around school athletics and the OHSAA a long time and I don’t remember ANY suits related to a virus. Please link us to one if you are aware. Second, it would be the lack of negligence on the OHSAA’s part that won them the lawsuit, not the waiver. If the court had determined negligence, the waiver would be useless. This is well established legal precedent.
And that's one of the main things causing holdup. How do they open these things safely without endangering the school year. I really don't understand how people don't think there will be no liability. And waivers are literally ruled against daily in court rooms across America. I'll admit being wrong on the mask rule but my argument stands. And I'm not sure how fast people think these things get through court but at this point any suit would must likely end up with a temporary order allowing the kids to play while the case proceeded. I'd say in most counties you're looking at maybe Sept/Oct at the earliest before anythings heard due to COVID. I guess a judge could move it up on their docket if they found the case important enough. The whole time legal fees are adding up. And you can literally sue for anything....but they aren't just dismissed like people think. That's an argument for a different day.
Passing the buck to different groups has lead to nothing but confusion. I would be upset if I was a parent because the government said schools could open. And we're three days away and nobody knows what's going on. I'm sure coaches are talking to their AD's. What are their ADs saying? That decision's over the Ads pay grade right? Lets take the legal aspect out of it. When there's public outcry, we're very split on this topic as a country, who's willing to stand up and say it was my decision and I stand by it?
Thanks. You proved my point. There has never been a lawsuit about a virus that anyone can point to. Not only is it absurd to think someone would try to sue over a legally binding document, it is also very funny that people are on here making up a potential court case whereas someone miraculously wins against their own signature! Further, it’s a waist of time to pour conjecture into it as no one can point to a single case they know of that speaks about the OHSAA losing a lawsuit. Especially one that includes a specific bylaw whereas you sign a waiver to play, HOLDING THE OHSAA HARMLESS. Please give one specific case, whereas a hold harmless clause did not hold up in the court of law.You’re missing the point and don’t understand law. First of all, I have been around school athletics and the OHSAA a long time and I don’t remember ANY suits related to a virus. Please link us to one if you are aware. Second, it would be the lack of negligence on the OHSAA’s part that won them the lawsuit, not the waiver. If the court had determined negligence, the waiver would be useless. This is well established legal precedent.
The OHSAA hands out nearly 3 million in ticket reimbursements and scholarships per year out of their general fund. It’s on their website. That’s just money they hand out. The OHSAA is a very wealthy industry. While we have one of the only state sports authorities that doesnt self fund fully from schools, it’s still an extremely wealthy industry."The OHSAA is a billion dollar industry. "
If it is, I'm sure it's news to them.
Ok...I guess. Yes, schools should follow the rules or face consequences. Is that the point?Not really related to Ohio but when one of the top programs in the country, in one of our top football states get called out and suspended. I hope it keeps those in Ohio from looking for a little advantage. School Districts are not in a potion to allow any variation of whatever rules they come up with. That's the part that effects Ohio
Thanks. You proved my point. There has never been a lawsuit about a virus that anyone can point to. Not only is it absurd to think someone would try to sue over a legally binding document, it is also very funny that people are on here making up a potential court case whereas someone miraculously wins against their own signature! Further, it’s a waist of time to pour conjecture into it as no one can point to a single case they know of that speaks about the OHSAA losing a lawsuit. Especially one that includes a specific bylaw whereas you sign a waiver to play, HOLDING THE OHSAA HARMLESS. Please give one specific case, whereas a hold harmless clause did not hold up in the court of law.
I’ll happily wait until someone proves a signature and a hold harmless clause didn’t stand up in the court of law.