NEO District Sites released...

MCGal

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If anyone hasn't seen them, they're on the NEDAB site.

One big change is the Fieldhouse isn't hosting the Canton area D-1 district. Perry will be hosting this year and McK will be back in the mix with the other Fed schools. Perry will be playing at the Ravenna district.
 

Down The Road

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You mean they actually move them around!?!?
SWAD would lose their collective mind if that ever happened!!! Much better to drag teams that don’t belong geographically to places to protect the ole boy system!!
Good work to NEO for taking care of member schools!!
 

MCGal

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SW Ohio is lucky to have the set-up they do..... you guys get super-districting and can avoid real match-ups as long as possible.
 

GREENDAY

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The NE District tournament is a joke for a number of reasons....

1. By going to the home sites - you are really allowing the "good old boys network" and "league alliances" to have a major impact on the state tournament - which should be as "human-free" and "fair" as possible when determining brackets. It is a joke when you have 6 teams in 1 conference in a certain district and these districts openly vote each other higher than other teams in the district, just because they are from the same league - the same district where a team may have no league alliances. When you throw home court advantage into the mix - the only way that seeding should be decided is by a "harbin points" system - similar to how the OHSAA does it in football. This takes out the comical "we play a tough schedule" argument (when most times it isn't very tough) and actually rewards you for playing and beating good teams.

2. The are districts in every division that absolutely suck. The NE district should 100% have a super-district - so that we are assured of the 4 best teams in each region - each year. Last year in D3, you could have easily argued that Chippewa, Orrville and Loudonville were 3 of the top 10 teams in the state (along with Elyria Catholic) - yet only 1 of them were able to advance out of the Wooster District. Orrville and Loudonville would have beaten Southeast or Champion by double-digits. In D2 - Laurel clearly was 1 of the 4 best teams in the Region - yet they are stuck at home because of a 1-point loss to ST V, who went to Columbus. A super-district and harbin points system (makes seeding as legit as possible and rewards tough schedule) is the most FAIR way to go.

3. When you have the home sites and run all of the sectional games on the same nights - it makes scouting much tougher for coaches (unless you have Hudl). It also takes away the fun tournament atmosphere that we use to have when each game was played at the same site.

4. Online tournament voting allows coaches to be cowards, because they don't have to face the coaches that they are voting for. Schools that enter records late or in an inaccurate manner are also rarely punished.

None of these things will change, because there are large conference alliances who benefit from this approach. So, whenever a "vote" is had - they win on each of the measures.
 
Bravo, GreenDay!!! NEO Board has always been thought of as a joke amongst most of the coaches in that district. It baffles me that all schools participate in an OHSAA sanctioned tournament but there are different sets of rules for each seperate district region. They did "blended" districts for 2 years a few years back and switched back because according to the NEO Board "coaches didn't like it". What??? I never met a coach that did not at least want the "blended districts" instead of the way they did things before that or even how they do things now.
 

GREENDAY

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Smokin' Joe - you are correct.

A lot of the longtime coaches (usually the more vocal ones and the ones who the district board and coaches district representatives will listen to) who speak out on such things as "blended districts" or not being able to place yourself on a district bracket - are the ones in established leagues who have benefitted from the old approach for years. They can play average schedules and skate through the season and still receive a high seed. Instead of taking a buy - they want to play a lowly 13 seed and get that extra win. 1 extra win for 30 years is more than another whole season of wins for a good coach on that W-L record.

The most fair way to do the seeding, while still getting the top 4 teams to each regional is not that difficult.

Look at the D1 Elyria Catholic district....The D2 Elyria district.....The D2 Uniontown district....The D3 Lakeview district.....The D3 Struthers district..... are we really get regional championship contenders from those districts this year? Wouldn't you rather see Hoban AND Wadsworth in the regional....GlenOak AND Jackson in a regional....Salem AND West Branch in a regional.....Chippewa AND Loudonville in a regional....?

1. Use a harbin system similar to football. Teams get primary points and secondary points for teams that they beat. This still allows for coaches to have control over their schedules. If they want a high seed - they are going to have to play somebody - as opposed to being handed it based on reputation. It's very simple - athletic directors or coaches enter the scores and who wins and losses for each game - with all of the technology we have today, this would not be tough to do. Coaches already evaluate officials - so putting a W or L in is not tough. If a team wants to play cupcakes and win a few more games - that is fine, but the seed may not be as high - it's up to each school. This also would help with sportsmanship and should ideally lower that amount of blowouts across the state (we will never get rid of these completely - but this would help significantly with non-league games).

2. By using the harbin system - we now have a universal seeding system - allowing us to use the super district. Since all of the seeding would be comprised of computer points - you wouldn't have coaches voting for coaches that they haven't seen all year (this happens in the current system in NE and also the super-districts across the state). No more voting.

3. Once the ratings are cranked out - the 4 district sites are released (all "neutral" sites - no more home games). Starting with the #1 seed - schools will be able to place themselves on the bracket at any of the 4 sites. If they don't care about driving an hour and a half - drive an hour and a half. If they want to avoid a certain team - that is fine. At least this way - there is no funny business with how the seeds were made. The old-time coaches will be happy because they get to place themselves on the brackets and the schools from traditionally loaded districts will be happy because now they will have an alternate chance to get to regionals.

I laugh at the "travel distance" argument or the "facilities" argument.

Dalton was 9-1 and got sent to Fort Frye for the first round of the OHSAA football playoffs. That is an over 2 hour drive for someone in their "region". Akron Manchester had to drive 1:15 for a sectional final last winter at Loudonville. Do the powers that be REALLY care about distance? These are the same people that made Marietta HS drive up to Canton for a sectional for years.

Facilities? Really? Give me 2 weeks and I will have "neutral sites" book for all 32 districts in NEO (16 boys and 16 girls).
 

Down The Road

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SW Ohio is lucky to have the set-up they do..... you guys get super-districting and can avoid real match-ups as long as possible.
The good ole boys in the SW do not do super districting at least for small schools. In fact we are supposed to have it "neutral" based on travel however not so much........ IE Legacy Christian drives 2-3x the amount to their sectional site as opposed to the 2 closer ones. Why? Ft Laramie has asked put told they are not owed an answer. much rather use the central district model.
 

MCGal

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Sorry I wasn't clear, I was referring to D-1. Good to know there are multiple set-ups down there however odd that may be.
 
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