NEO DI Districts (East)

cardzfan1234

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Let's use this thread to discuss the three DI NEO districts on the "East" pod. These 37 teams will be divided up into three district brackets, with a maximum of 16 teams per bracket. Here is the list of the teams: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1veMJSxApusgkSNo4LKd9rbdGuPgA6ujgh2zp8hGzj0Q/edit#gid=0

Power rankings for the East (based mostly on NEOhsSports rankings)

1) Canton McKinely (6-2)
2) Jackson (10-1)
3) Mentor (3-0)
4) Brush (3-4)
5) Hoban (6-1)
6) Solon (4-2)
7) University (5-2)
8) Walsh Jesuit (7-2)

Others: Green, Hoover, Boardman, Nordonia, GlenOak

Mentor is one of the late starters, having just played their first game of the season on January 6. Jackson had a hot start with ten straight wins, but their loss over the weekend to McKinely gives the Pups the edge. Brush is high on talent and strength of schedule, but their record leaves a lot to be desired. Still, they are a team good enough to make a big run.

The politics of the vote itself will be interesting when that time comes. No league will have more "muscle" than the Federal League, with all seven of their members included. The WRC also has seven teams, but besides Brush (who has already announced leaving the WRC), the teams in their league will not be among the top dozen or so teams. Historically, the teams in the WRC showed no extra favoritism toward Brush in the vote. Several teams are independent (Walsh, Hoban, University, Massillon), so that doesn't usually help their familiarity.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. With a maximum of 16 teams per district, it is theoretically possible to see districts very unbalanced. We might see one with 14 or 15 teams while another only has 10. I'm all for it. Coaches will pick the draw that is most favorable, whatever that path might look like. Technically, it is possible for two districts of 16 with the third having just five. I know that is really, really difficult to imagine it happening. I wouldn't be shocked if there was a district of just 8 or 9 though.
 

bucksman

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Cardz,

if it's like what they did for soccer in the fall, the brackets will be pre-determined in terms of size with no district having more than the other (12, 12, and 13 for D1 East).

The biggest challenge with such a large footprint is that the voting teams aren't as familiar with each other, and without mandatory score reporting there's the question of how much homework the coaches will do in terms of their voting.
 

Bertha

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why are you saying a district bracket may only have 8 or 9 teams ??... im confused by that

would it not just be 3 brackets like bucksman said with 12 , 12, and 13 teams in each bracket ??
 

TriangleMan

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if it's like what they did for soccer in the fall, the brackets will be pre-determined in terms of size with no district having more than the other (12, 12, and 13 for D1 East).

The biggest challenge with such a large footprint is that the voting teams aren't as familiar with each other, and without mandatory score reporting there's the question of how much homework the coaches will do in terms of their voting.
Same thing for volleyball. D1 split into East (38 teams) and West (33 teams) which then broke down into 6 districts of 12, 13, 11, 11, 11, and 11 teams.
 

cardzfan1234

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Breaking it up into even districts would make more sense, so I am sure you are correct. I just was basing my (likely incorrect) assumption on the language consistently used in the media release: "maximum of 16 teams."
 

cardzfan1234

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The biggest challenge with such a large footprint is that the voting teams aren't as familiar with each other, and without mandatory score reporting there's the question of how much homework the coaches will do in terms of their voting.
Good point. Coaches will see records, but not to the detail that a coach can find in football with a tool like Joe Eitel handy. Just for example, Jackson and Brush likely will have very little knowledge of what the other brings to the table. That is why I brought up the advantage of the teams from the Fed and to a lesser extent, the WRC. Having six other league members (along with other local familiar teams in county) voting along with you should make a difference for teams like Jackson, McKinley, Green, Hoover, and possibly Brush. Half of the 37 teams are from Stark/Summit counties, giving those schools a clear advantage in familiarity as Cuyahoga was mostly sent out west.

A breakdown by county:

Summit: 10
Stark: 8
Lake: 6
Cuyahoga: 5
Mahoning: 2
Portage: 2
Ashtabula: 1
Geauga: 1
Trumbull: 1
Tuscarawas: 1
 
Each coach (team) is permitted space on the website to discuss their resume (schedule). They can comment or justify schedule, strength of schedule, rankings, injuries, etc. It is then up to the other coaches to read the team biography if they are unfamiliar with a team. I would hope that coaches are not lazy and would take a few minutes to learn about other teams.
 

TriangleMan

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Some additional insight from Josh Weir at The Repository.

"The Northeast District Athletic Board will utilize a revamped tournament alignment this postseason that should lead to some interesting and unique matchups at the sectional and district levels, especially in Division I.

Instead of set fields in each district, teams in each division across Northeast Ohio are divided into east and west groupings. The teams in each grouping will seed all the way through from first to last, then pick their preferred spot wherever they like in available districts in descending order on Feb. 7.

For example, in boys Division I, Green and all the Stark County teams are in the east grouping, which includes 37 teams stretching from Ashtabula Lakeside to Dover that will make up three separate district tournaments. Lakeside vs. Dover — roughly two hours from each other — could be sectional game in theory.

This format increases the importance of a higher seed because of the potential travel involved (each game is played at higher seed). That's magnified more in this year of COVID since there isn’t a neutral site for the district games. No team wants to be playing for a district championship on its opponent’s home floor.

There also is the possibility — in boys Division I for example — of running into a Mentor, Solon or Brush at the sectional or district level.
“You're going to have to beat good teams in Northeast Ohio, no matter where,” [Massillon head coach Josh] Hose said."


IIRC, though, in Volleyball some district brackets consisted of teams from both the East and West groupings.

 

ohiopup

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NEO - Board-what a bunch of screwballs.

With limited funding (fewer ticket sales) this is what they come up with.

More inline; similar to Columbus and Cincinnati. Both of those areas are more compact
with much fewer outliers.

:>---

SALT
 
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cardzfan1234

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I think if you're going to go the "super district" route, combining the pairs of districts (Eastside, Westside, Akron/Canton) makes the most sense. This is putting together teams as far as 2 hours away in the same potential bracket. They tried that experiment for two years, but that more reasonable idea ended. I expect this to have even bigger travel issues, which will likely mean a return to the typical NEO format in a couple years. Just my two cents.
 

cardzfan1234

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Mentor is playing just their fourth game of the season tomorrow. Who knows how many games they will be able to get in before the vote. But due to their reputation (coach, star player, team success), I think other coaches will give them the benefit of the doubt. Any reason to believe that we will see anything other than Jackson, McKinley, and Mentor as the #1 seeds?
 

SayMyName

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Mentor is playing just their fourth game of the season tomorrow. Who knows how many games they will be able to get in before the vote. But due to their reputation (coach, star player, team success), I think other coaches will give them the benefit of the doubt. Any reason to believe that we will see anything other than Jackson, McKinley, and Mentor as the #1 seeds?
Wow I didn't realize Mentor has only played 3 games. Jackson and McK make sense as #1 seeds, it is going to be interesting with Mentor. Some coaches may try to position themselves over Mentor because of the lack of games similar to what happened in college football. Who have they played and who is left on the schedule? That will make a difference.
 
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SayMyName

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Mck still has Moeller, Jackson, Green, and St. V.
Jackson still has McK, Green (twice), and St. Ignatius
Going to be an interesting rest of the way.....
 
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