NCAA 21 Natty results / discussions here!

Yankeefan33

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Eierman and Marinelli have both announced they are returning. The Hawkeye faithful assume that all will be back, but that's yet to be confirmed as far as I know. And will Spencer be wrestling without knees again, or have surgery/rehab? Maybe it doesn't matter.
Saw Hidlay was coming back at 174 for NC State today too. Add in all the Ivy guys who missed (Vito, Glory, Yianni, Dean, Darmstadt, Brucki), Evan Wick coming off Olympic redshirt, and the other seniors coming back, and 2022 might be one of the toughest NCAAs in history.

Edit- for reference, we had 40 returning 2019 All-Americans this year. Six missed the season due to Ivy league restrictions, one redshirted, and three (Suriano, Micic, Bridges) had eligibility but did not wrestle. That's only 30 guys entering the tournament who had AAd previously, with eight (Foley, Demas, Degan, Lewis, Marinelli, Venz, Wood, Stencel) not placing this year. Normally we have around 70 returning AAs. Next year there are 95 wrestlers with an All-American placing who have eligibility remaining. Not all of the seniors will come back, obviously, but still a potentially unprecedented amount.
 
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MPhillips

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Eierman and Marinelli have both announced they are returning. The Hawkeye faithful assume that all will be back, but that's yet to be confirmed as far as I know. And will Spencer be wrestling without knees again, or have surgery/rehab? Maybe it doesn't matter.
DeSanto and Spencer as well.
 

wdanforth

Active member
Saw Hidlay was coming back at 174 for NC State today too. Add in all the Ivy guys who missed (Vito, Glory, Yianni, Dean, Darmstadt, Brucki), Evan Wick coming off Olympic redshirt, and the other seniors coming back, and 2022 might be one of the toughest NCAAs in history.

Edit- for reference, we had 40 returning 2019 All-Americans this year. Six missed the season due to Ivy league restrictions, one redshirted, and three (Suriano, Micic, Bridges) had eligibility but did not wrestle. That's only 30 guys entering the tournament who had AAd previously, with eight (Foley, Demas, Degan, Lewis, Marinelli, Venz, Wood, Stencel) not placing this year. Normally we have around 70 returning AAs. Next year there are 95 wrestlers with an All-American placing who have eligibility remaining. Not all of the seniors will come back, obviously, but still a potentially unprecedented amount.
I believe you meant Hidlay coming back at 157, The 174 is a sophomore, I guess he is also coming back. :)
 

hubman

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Results from all eligible Junior World Team members:


That's 13/21 that placed and 20/21 that won at least two matches. Additionally, RBY made a Cadet team and Ferrari won a Cadet world medal, without a world championships last year. Very happy that top level kids continue to wrestle freestyle and compete of the world stage, I think it might help a little when they get to NCAAs.
Nice article on some of their USA Wrestling experience/background


Also mentions the previous high of 4 Black National Champions set in 1978 with 2 Ohioans Lee Kemp, Univ of Wisconsin/ Chardon High School (his 3rd), and Andy Daniels of Ohio University/ Buchtel Griffins!!!
 

UsedToBe103

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I read he was going up to help train his brother to achieve his goals. No way was he gonna wrestle 157 ever again.
That is admirable, and I'm sure his body will fill in at 174, but wouldn't 165 make more sense if he wants to continue in freestyle? Maybe that isn't one of his goals. I'll have to listen to the interview on Flo.
 

MPhillips

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That is admirable, and I'm sure his body will fill in at 174, but wouldn't 165 make more sense if he wants to continue in freestyle? Maybe that isn't one of his goals. I'll have to listen to the interview on Flo.
165 makes more sense to us, but not to him. 157 sounded like a grind and he was certainly a specimen at that weight, but his results have went the wrong direction at NCAA's and his dejection after his matches was noticeable. Especially after the loss to Nolf in the semi final. You could feel his pain. I feel bad for the guy and maybe he changes his mind...
 

Blast82.5

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165 makes more sense to us, but not to him. 157 sounded like a grind and he was certainly a specimen at that weight, but his results have went the wrong direction at NCAA's and his dejection after his matches was noticeable. Especially after the loss to Nolf in the semi final. You could feel his pain. I feel bad for the guy and maybe he changes his mind...
I hope he kills it at 174. Way too many guys sucking way too much weight (IMO). I love seeing guys go up and perform better, as they can train with more energy and enthusiasm.
 

bdhof

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Here are some crazy stats I found on another site. PSU's stats are incredible!

Over the last 10 NCAA tournaments

Overall winning percentage
Higher seeds are 148-52 or a 74% winning percentage if you are the higher/better seed.

Higher W/L- Record as the higher seed
Lower W/L- Record as the lower seed


[TR]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]W/L[/TD]
[TD]%[/TD]
[TD]Higher W/L[/TD]
[TD]%[/TD]
[TD]Lower W/L[/TD]
[TD]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lock Haven[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]South Dakota State[/TD]
[TD]2-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West Virginia[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Penn State[/TD]
[TD]40-5[/TD]
[TD]88.89%[/TD]
[TD]33-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]7-5[/TD]
[TD]58.33%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Illinois[/TD]
[TD]6-2[/TD]
[TD]75.00%[/TD]
[TD]6-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stanford[/TD]
[TD]3-1[/TD]
[TD]75.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]3-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arizona State[/TD]
[TD]5-2[/TD]
[TD]71.43%[/TD]
[TD]4-1[/TD]
[TD]80.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boise State[/TD]
[TD]2-1[/TD]
[TD]66.67%[/TD]
[TD]2-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wyoming[/TD]
[TD]2-1[/TD]
[TD]66.67%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lehigh[/TD]
[TD]7-4[/TD]
[TD]63.64%[/TD]
[TD]2-2[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]5-2[/TD]
[TD]71.43%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iowa State[/TD]
[TD]3-2[/TD]
[TD]60.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-2[/TD]
[TD]33.33%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oklahoma State[/TD]
[TD]17-12[/TD]
[TD]58.62%[/TD]
[TD]16-2[/TD]
[TD]88.89%[/TD]
[TD]1-10[/TD]
[TD]9.09%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Edinboro[/TD]
[TD]4-3[/TD]
[TD]57.14%[/TD]
[TD]2-1[/TD]
[TD]66.67%[/TD]
[TD]2-2[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oklahoma[/TD]
[TD]4-3[/TD]
[TD]57.14%[/TD]
[TD]2-1[/TD]
[TD]66.67%[/TD]
[TD]2-2[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cornell[/TD]
[TD]14-12[/TD]
[TD]53.85%[/TD]
[TD]12-4[/TD]
[TD]75.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-8[/TD]
[TD]20.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iowa[/TD]
[TD]17-15[/TD]
[TD]53.13%[/TD]
[TD]11-2[/TD]
[TD]84.62%[/TD]
[TD]6-13[/TD]
[TD]31.58%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ohio State[/TD]
[TD]17-16[/TD]
[TD]51.52%[/TD]
[TD]14-6[/TD]
[TD]70.00%[/TD]
[TD]3-10[/TD]
[TD]23.08%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cal Poly[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maryland[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nebraska[/TD]
[TD]3-3[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]3-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Carolina State[/TD]
[TD]6-6[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]6-1[/TD]
[TD]85.71%[/TD]
[TD]0-5[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pittsburgh[/TD]
[TD]3-3[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]3-1[/TD]
[TD]75.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rider[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]8-9[/TD]
[TD]47.06%[/TD]
[TD]6-2[/TD]
[TD]75.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-7[/TD]
[TD]22.22%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rutgers[/TD]
[TD]3-4[/TD]
[TD]42.86%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-4[/TD]
[TD]33.33%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michigan[/TD]
[TD]6-9[/TD]
[TD]40.00%[/TD]
[TD]5-3[/TD]
[TD]62.50%[/TD]
[TD]1-6[/TD]
[TD]14.29%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Virginia[/TD]
[TD]2-3[/TD]
[TD]40.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-3[/TD]
[TD]25.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Indiana[/TD]
[TD]1-2[/TD]
[TD]33.33%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kent State[/TD]
[TD]2-4[/TD]
[TD]33.33%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-3[/TD]
[TD]25.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Carolina[/TD]
[TD]2-4[/TD]
[TD]33.33%[/TD]
[TD]1-0[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-4[/TD]
[TD]20.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Missouri[/TD]
[TD]6-14[/TD]
[TD]30.00%[/TD]
[TD]6-7[/TD]
[TD]46.15%[/TD]
[TD]0-7[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northwestern[/TD]
[TD]3-7[/TD]
[TD]30.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-4[/TD]
[TD]20.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-3[/TD]
[TD]40.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wisconsin[/TD]
[TD]3-7[/TD]
[TD]30.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-2[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-5[/TD]
[TD]16.67%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Virginia Tech[/TD]
[TD]2-9[/TD]
[TD]18.18%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]2-7[/TD]
[TD]22.22%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]1-5[/TD]
[TD]16.67%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]1-3[/TD]
[TD]25.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northern Iowa[/TD]
[TD]1-5[/TD]
[TD]16.67%[/TD]
[TD]1-1[/TD]
[TD]50.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-4[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Appalachian State[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bucknell[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Central Michigan[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Citadel[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Clarion[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Columbia[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Duke[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hofstra[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Dakota State[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Old Dominion[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oregon State[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-0[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Princeton[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Utah Valley[/TD]
[TD]0-3[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-1[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]0-2[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
Didn't post in a readable format, MP. I've done this myself before when I C&P a spreadsheet. You probably know this but you have to "paste special" - "paste as plain text."
 

MPhillips

Well-known member
Didn't post in a readable format, MP. I've done this myself before when I C&P a spreadsheet. You probably know this but you have to "paste special" - "paste as plain text."
Too busy pontificating and not enough paying attention.
I'll get posted later. Thanks bdhof
 
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MPhillips

Well-known member
Semi Final Stats over the last 10 NCAA tournaments

Overall W/L
W/L- Record as the higher seed.
W/L- Record as the lower seed.

Penn State is 33-0 as the higher seed over the last 10 yrs and as the lower seed they are still 7-5.
40-5 in THE SEMI the last 10yrs!


Team ...........W/L % Higher W/L % Lower W/L %

Lock Haven 1-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-0 100.00%
South Da St 2-0 100.00% 2-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00%

West Virg U 1-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-0 100.00%

Penn State.. 40-5 88.89% 33-0 100.00% 7-5 58.33%

Illinois ..............6-2 75.00% 6-0 100.00% 0-2 0.00%
Stanford ..........3-1 75.00% 0-1 0.00% 3-0 100.00%

Arizona State .. 5-2 71.43% 4-1 80.00% 1-1 50.00%
Boise State ..... 2-1 66.67% 2-0 100.00% 0-1 0.00%

Wyoming ........2-1 66.67% 1-0 100.00% 1-1 50.00%
Lehigh ..............7-4 63.64% 2-2 50.00% 5-2 71.43%

Iowa State .......3-2 60.00% 2-0 100.00% 1-2 33.33%

Oklaho S U......17-12 58.62% 16-2 88.89% 1-10 9.09%

Edinboro ..........4-3 57.14% 2-1 66.67% 2-2 50.00%
Oklahoma ........4-3 57.14% 2-1 66.67% 2-2 50.00%


Cornell ..........14-12 53.85% 12-4 75.00% 2-8 20.00%
Iowa ...............17-15 53.13% 11-2 84.62% 6-13 31.58%

Ohio State ... 17-16 51.52% 14-6 70.00% 3-10 23.08%
Cal Poly .............1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-1 50.00%

Maryland ..........1-1 50.00% 1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00%
Nebraska ..........3-3 50.00% 3-0 100.00% 0-3 0.00%


North C ST............6-6 50.00% 6-1 85.71% 0-5 0.00%
Pittsburgh ........3-3 50.00% 3-1 75.00% 0-2 0.00%

Rider ...................1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-1 50.00%

Minnesota .........8-9 47.06% 6-2 75.00% 2-7 22.22%

Rutgers ...............3-4 42.86% 1-0 100.00% 2-4 33.33%
Michigan ............6-9 40.00% 5-3 62.50% 1-6 14.29%

Virginia ...............2-3 40.00% 1-0 100.00% 1-3 25.00%
Indiana ................1-2 33.33% 1-0 100.00% 0-2 0.00%

Kent State ..........2-4 33.33% 1-1 50.00% 1-3 25.00%
North Caro........ 2-4 33.33% 1-0 100.00% 1-4 20.00%


Missouri ...........6-14 30.00% 6-7 46.15% 0-7 0.00%
Northwestern ...3-7 30.00% 1-4 20.00% 2-3 40.00%

Wisconsin ....... ...3-7 30.00% 2-2 50.00% 1-5 16.67%
Virginia Tech ......2-9 18.18% 0-2 0.00% 2-7 22.22%

American ............1-5 16.67% 0-2 0.00% 1-3 25.00%
Northern Iowa ....1-5 16.67% 1-1 50.00% 0-4 0.00%

Appalachian St .....0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Bucknell ..............0-1 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00%

Central Michigan..0-3 0.00% 0-2 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Citadel .................0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%

Clarion .................0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Columbia ............0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%

Duke .....................0-3 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-3 0.00%
Hofstra ................0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%

North Dakota st....0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Old Dominion ...0-2 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-2 0.00%

Oregon State .....0-3 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-3 0.00%
Princeton ............0-3 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-2 0.00%

Utah Valley .........0-3 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-2 0.00%


PSU guys ready to go for NCAA Tourney. Every year. It's a crazy stat, that I wouldn't have believed unless I saw it.
Apologies for the formatting. I did what I could. ✌
 

Latman

Active member
That is admirable, and I'm sure his body will fill in at 174, but wouldn't 165 make more sense if he wants to continue in freestyle? Maybe that isn't one of his goals. I'll have to listen to the interview on Flo.
If I heard the podcast correctly, it sounded like he has to work fairly hard in the off season just to keep his weight at 175 in order to make 157 in season.
 

Woo

Active member
And everyone gets a trophy...

"For the first time since 2001, there are co-winners of the WIN Magazine/Culture House Dan Hodge Trophy, presented by ASICS Wrestling.

Last season’s winner Spencer Lee of Iowa and Gable Steveson of Minnesota wound up in a virtual tie, with Lee winning the Fan Vote (25,712 to Steveson’s 5,202 votes), but multiple members of the formal Hodge Trophy Voting Committee voting for co-winners with both Steveson and Lee having such similar Hodge Trophy voting criteria stats."
 
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Jim Behrens

Active member
And everyone gets a trophy...
Lee winning the Fan Vote (25,712 to Steveson’s 5,202 votes), but multiple members of the formal Hodge Trophy Voting Committee voting for co-winners with both Steveson and Lee having such similar Hodge Trophy voting criteria stats."
Wow, not that I really care but 5 times the number of votes and it is a tie?? I must have missed that day in math class.
 

Yankeefan33

Well-known member
The people's vote doesn't matter. :censored:
Technically, I think it does count for one vote.

I'm not opposed to a co-Hodge, I'm just wondering if it was a scenario where they both received equal votes, or a scenario where both received a close amount of votes and WIN decided to honor them both? I'd be much more excited about the first scenario than the second. I think I would have voted for Gable, really glad he got the honor before he decided to hang up the shoes.
 

Woo

Active member
I'm not opposed to a co-Hodge, I'm just wondering if it was a scenario where they both received equal votes, or a scenario where both received a close amount of votes and WIN decided to honor them both?
Lee won the Fan Vote (25,712 to Steveson’s 5,202 votes)
 
Technically, I think it does count for one vote.

I'm not opposed to a co-Hodge, I'm just wondering if it was a scenario where they both received equal votes, or a scenario where both received a close amount of votes and WIN decided to honor them both? I'd be much more excited about the first scenario than the second. I think I would have voted for Gable, really glad he got the honor before he decided to hang up the shoes.
I believe the fan vote winner gets 5 votes....
 

MPhillips

Well-known member
Why is Stevenson even in consideration? Didn't he rape a girl last year and is clearly an Arrogant . Should not even be mentioned in same sentence as Spencer Lee. Period
:rolleyes:
Steveson and he not only was in consideration...he won. Spencer was my choice.
 
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