Mr. Football

herdfan101 said:
How come Jack Sawyer isn't being mentioned? Did he not have a standout year, because from what I have seen in his highlights there is no stopping him from getting to the QB.
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What level of football are we talking about? I thought this was an NFL forum...
 
Raylan_Givens said:
Was trying to defend the idea that a D5 player could win the title. Especially one with a Power5 scholarship. Honestly, I didn't even know Kiner's stats, but now can say that 270 yards/game is sufficiently "dominant."

Maybe we should retitle the thread: Anyone besides Kiner or Carrico for Mr Football?
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I guess, if it comes down to these two, I’d give it to Carrico because: 1) He’s a dominant player on both offense AND defense— his offensive stats are in the neighborhood with KIner’s— but he’s actually recruited to play LB for OSU (apparently); 2) His team beat Kiner’s team head-to-head, with Carrico having a better game (statistically) than Kiner....

I think Mr. Football is pretty much a joke— it’s a lot like the Heisman, only worse-- no one really has ANY idea what most of these kids actually are like or can do—because there are so many disparities in the level of competition that they face (due to both Division levels AND schedule difficulty), and most of the voters have never even seen a picture, let alone game action, of the players that they vote on... I remember a few years back (more than a decade ago), when (I think) North Canton Hoover had this beast of a man-child, who played Tailback for Hoover, and was racking up ALL KINDS of stats— and the Northeast Ohio media mafia horde was well organized and determined to vote him this award (which was ironic, because, if I recall correctly, this kid ALSO had a raft of questionable character issues)— but even in Northeast Ohio at Division I Hoover, this player did NOT face the kind of competition that Ig or Ed or the GCL South schools face weekly... There was also a QB at a small school in Central OH, Maty Mauk? (his dad was his coach—Kenton?)— he racked up incredible stats throwing the ball 40-60 times/game, against small schools who barely ever even saw a forward pass the rest of the season–- I don’t know if Mauk won it— but I KNEW he wasn’t the best football player in OH that year (even though he did go on to play college Division I football)...

And then there’s the problem that (like the Heisman), all the emphasis is on offensive players— NO ONE even talks about a dominant defensive player as in the running— and never will— no matter WHAT they do— does anyone think that there was likely an actual better football player in the state of Ohio, in the 2008 season, than Luke Keuchley from St. Xavier (who played a safety/LB hybrid position called “Adjustor” for St. X that year)— He’s almost CERTAINLY the most talented football player that Ohio HS football had that year— he’s pretty likely to be the only one playing in Ohio that year who will be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (after setting a record for the most tackles in NCAA Division I history, in just THREE YEARS of college play at Boston College in the ACC)— but St. X had a losing record his senior year, and NOBODY was going to talk about HIM for Mr. Football...

All that is a long way of saying, I guess Carrico is as a good a candidate as we’ll find, seeing as he also plays a BIG role on both offense and defense— seems like THAT would better fit the role of MR. FOOTBALL, than someone who only shines on one side of the ball (or the other)... perhaps that is self-limiting, in that the truly transcendent talents (e.g.- a Mitch Trubisky at QB for Mentor, or a Luke Keuchley at X) are so good at what they do, that no one wants to detract from that by making them into “all-purpose” players— especially at the larger enrollment schools, where they typically have enough talent to make it more astute to play more guys, and have more specialization— AND (especially when it comes to QBs) also, NO ONE wants to risk blowing up their season (and/or damaging a top prospect’s future college/pro career potential), by getting their QB or RB or WR hurt playing LB or safety, or some such...
 
4GX said:
I guess, if it comes down to these two, I’d give it to Carrico because: 1) He’s a dominant player on both offense AND defense— his offensive stats are in the neighborhood with KIner’s— but he’s actually recruited to play LB for OSU (apparently); 2) His team beat Kiner’s team head-to-head, with Carrico having a better game (statistically) than Kiner....

I think Mr. Football is pretty much a joke— it’s a lot like the Heisman, only worse-- no one really has ANY idea what most of these kids actually are like or can do—because there are so many disparities in the level of competition that they face (due to both Division levels AND schedule difficulty), and most of the voters have never even seen a picture, let alone game action, of the players that they vote on... I remember a few years back (more than a decade ago), when (I think) North Canton Hoover had this beast of a man-child, who played Tailback for Hoover, and was racking up ALL KINDS of stats— and the Northeast Ohio media mafia horde was well organized and determined to vote him this award (which was ironic, because, if I recall correctly, this kid ALSO had a raft of questionable character issues)— but even in Northeast Ohio at Division I Hoover, this player did NOT face the kind of competition that Ig or Ed or the GCL South schools face weekly... There was also a QB at a small school in Central OH, Maty Mauk? (his dad was his coach—Kenton?)— he racked up incredible stats throwing the ball 40-60 times/game, against small schools who barely ever even saw a forward pass the rest of the season–- I don’t know if Mauk won it— but I KNEW he wasn’t the best football player in OH that year (even though he did go on to play college Division I football)...

And then there’s the problem that (like the Heisman), all the emphasis is on offensive players— NO ONE even talks about a dominant defensive player as in the running— and never will— no matter WHAT they do— does anyone think that there was likely an actual better football player in the state of Ohio, in the 2008 season, than Luke Keuchley from St. Xavier (who played a safety/LB hybrid position called “Adjustor” for St. X that year)— He’s almost CERTAINLY the most talented football player that Ohio HS football had that year— he’s pretty likely to be the only one playing in Ohio that year who will be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (after setting a record for the most tackles in NCAA Division I history, in just THREE YEARS of college play at Boston College in the ACC)— but St. X had a losing record his senior year, and NOBODY was going to talk about HIM for Mr. Football...

All that is a long way of saying, I guess Carrico is as a good a candidate as we’ll find, seeing as he also plays a BIG role on both offense and defense— seems like THAT would better fit the role of MR. FOOTBALL, than someone who only shines on one side of the ball (or the other)... perhaps that is self-limiting, in that the truly transcendent talents (e.g.- a Mitch Trubisky at QB for Mentor, or a Luke Keuchley at X) are so good at what they do, that no one wants to detract from that by making them into “all-purpose” players— especially at the larger enrollment schools, where they typically have enough talent to make it more astute to play more guys, and have more specialization— AND (especially when it comes to QBs) also, NO ONE wants to risk blowing up their season (and/or damaging a top prospect’s future college/pro career potential), by getting their QB or RB or WR hurt playing LB or safety, or some such...
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Might as well wrote the Constitution...
 
herdfan101 said:
Might as well wrote the Constitution...
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Say less...

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Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
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The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
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The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section. 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Article III.
Section. 1.
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
Section. 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Section. 2.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
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4GX said:
I guess, if it comes down to these two, I’d give it to Carrico because: 1) He’s a dominant player on both offense AND defense— his offensive stats are in the neighborhood with KIner’s— but he’s actually recruited to play LB for OSU (apparently); 2) His team beat Kiner’s team head-to-head, with Carrico having a better game (statistically) than Kiner....

I think Mr. Football is pretty much a joke— it’s a lot like the Heisman, only worse-- no one really has ANY idea what most of these kids actually are like or can do—because there are so many disparities in the level of competition that they face (due to both Division levels AND schedule difficulty), and most of the voters have never even seen a picture, let alone game action, of the players that they vote on... I remember a few years back (more than a decade ago), when (I think) North Canton Hoover had this beast of a man-child, who played Tailback for Hoover, and was racking up ALL KINDS of stats— and the Northeast Ohio media mafia horde was well organized and determined to vote him this award (which was ironic, because, if I recall correctly, this kid ALSO had a raft of questionable character issues)— but even in Northeast Ohio at Division I Hoover, this player did NOT face the kind of competition that Ig or Ed or the GCL South schools face weekly... There was also a QB at a small school in Central OH, Maty Mauk? (his dad was his coach—Kenton?)— he racked up incredible stats throwing the ball 40-60 times/game, against small schools who barely ever even saw a forward pass the rest of the season–- I don’t know if Mauk won it— but I KNEW he wasn’t the best football player in OH that year (even though he did go on to play college Division I football)...

And then there’s the problem that (like the Heisman), all the emphasis is on offensive players— NO ONE even talks about a dominant defensive player as in the running— and never will— no matter WHAT they do— does anyone think that there was likely an actual better football player in the state of Ohio, in the 2008 season, than Luke Keuchley from St. Xavier (who played a safety/LB hybrid position called “Adjustor” for St. X that year)— He’s almost CERTAINLY the most talented football player that Ohio HS football had that year— he’s pretty likely to be the only one playing in Ohio that year who will be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (after setting a record for the most tackles in NCAA Division I history, in just THREE YEARS of college play at Boston College in the ACC)— but St. X had a losing record his senior year, and NOBODY was going to talk about HIM for Mr. Football...

All that is a long way of saying, I guess Carrico is as a good a candidate as we’ll find, seeing as he also plays a BIG role on both offense and defense— seems like THAT would better fit the role of MR. FOOTBALL, than someone who only shines on one side of the ball (or the other)... perhaps that is self-limiting, in that the truly transcendent talents (e.g.- a Mitch Trubisky at QB for Mentor, or a Luke Keuchley at X) are so good at what they do, that no one wants to detract from that by making them into “all-purpose” players— especially at the larger enrollment schools, where they typically have enough talent to make it more astute to play more guys, and have more specialization— AND (especially when it comes to QBs) also, NO ONE wants to risk blowing up their season (and/or damaging a top prospect’s future college/pro career potential), by getting their QB or RB or WR hurt playing LB or safety, or some such...
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This is really good stuff. Every few years would have this same conversation with myself (I always win) when looking back at the "Previous Mr Football" list in the newspaper and thing "him? what about ___?"

Frankly, that award is one of those things that we don't want to get rid of because we've always had it, but what the heck does it mean? Maybe the Coaches Association should be given part of the vote as well?
 
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Csmith0234 said:
What Joe Malchesky from lake catholic? If a D5 player is in the consideration why can’t a D4 player be. He has single-handedly carry the lake catholic cougars to a state championship game. With just about 1500 rushing Yds and nearly 1000 yards in the air and combining for 20+ Tds he deserves consideration. He isn’t getting the respect he deserves.
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Not sure if he's "Mr Football" but Joe M is "Mr Playoffs". There is no doubt about that!
 
Big school frontrunners
Ian Kipp QB Mentor
Zach Branam QB La Salle
Kharion Davis or Daryl Peterson WR/DB, DL Hoban
CJ Hicks LB Alter
Nathaniel Sulka LB/WR Chardon

Small School frontrunners
Reid Carrico LB/RB Ironton
Corey Kiner RB Roger Bacon
Jaylen Anderson ATH Perry
 
bomberinmonroe said:
OSU carries weight, and Carrico's a heck of a player, so he'll get it. Kiner's ankle injury and lack of second half work doomed him. And this isn't a career achievement award, it's this year.
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Is this a relatively new concept, "carrying weight" and OSU? Everyone knew Woodson was going to UM, and that didn't hinder him.
 
College#19 said:
Sorry, but it is hard to get on the Kiner train for Mr Football when he played against Sisters of the Poor every week. I would be all in for Branam because I know he actually played against a lot of good teams.
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I try to be civil as much as possible on here, but this is about as asinine a comment as I have seen in awhile. (Considering the preseason Covid threads that’s saying something.)

Kiner played a D5 schedule. It’s not like his school was D1 playing D5 teams. The kids have NO control over who they play. He did great against peer level schools.
If you think only D1-D2 players should eligible then say that. If you think your guy is better say that. Frankly Branam should be a finalist, but it has nothing to do with their schedule or what division he played in.
(steps off soapbox)
 
Who had the toughest schedule in Ohio? Let's be honest, St. X did.
How can St. X QB1 not be in consideration? He has 29 TDs, 2700 yds in 9 games(opponents are combined 67-19) and 1 State Championship!
If he didnt have a high-ankle sprain in 1st qtr v Cathedral on their cow pasture field and missed playing vs two cupcake teams, he would be the front runner for sure.
 
btw, Kiner is a stud....special talent. Just wish he played a tougher schedule and if he put up the same numbers then there would be no debate...
Kiner for President!
 
Raider6309 said:
At least this year is easy. Reid Carrico is MR Football and then a wide gap to everyone else
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That is laughable. His numbers don't even stack up to other candidates. Yes he should be a finalist, but not the winner.

And once again, Kiner could not control his schedule. He dominated the schedule in front of him and if it were not for a bad ankle injury, he probably would have put up similar numbers in the playoffs. Ironton's defense was very good, but they didn't get to see a full strength Kiner play. I heard the kid was in a boot throughout the week the last few weeks and still toughed it out. Can you imagine what he would do with a good offensive line? ...I guess we will see on Saturday's in the near future.
 
Where da green grass grow said:
Did Joe Burrow win Mr. Football in HS? Or what about Brandon Saine from Piqua awhile back?
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All the talk of divisions, should be noted that of the last 10 winners, 2 were from D4 schools (Prater and Mauk) and 1 from D5 (Teague)
 
Cincyfan1 said:
That is laughable. His numbers don't even stack up to other candidates. Yes he should be a finalist, but not the winner.

And once again, Kiner could not control his schedule. He dominated the schedule in front of him and if it were not for a bad ankle injury, he probably would have put up similar numbers in the playoffs. Ironton's defense was very good, but they didn't get to see a full strength Kiner play. I heard the kid was in a boot throughout the week the last few weeks and still toughed it out. Can you imagine what he would do with a good offensive line? ...I guess we will see on Saturday's in the near future.
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You do realize Carrico plays both ways. He's going to Ohio State to be a linebacker
 
Raider6309 said:
You do realize Carrico plays both ways. He's going to Ohio State to be a linebacker
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I sure do, but was comparing apples to apples on offense in which his position is running back. On defense he is very good, but still has to put in a lot of work on that side of the ball. He has a big frame and a high motor, but struggles when teams run right at him and taking on blocks. If the ball is ran away from him, that is where he succeeds with his speed and tracking the ball down.

When I think of Mr. Football, I just think of the most explosive and electric player on the field and for me that has been Kiner. Watching Carrico on Saturday, he runs hard, tackles well and fumbles a lot. Kiner has had 0 fumbles and all of those carries, and once again, played defense when needed which he wasn't needed but a few times.
 
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