MLB Investigating Possible Collusion in Free Agency

Red14

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So major league front offices can't manage their payrolls??? I'd like to see a system where the player pays back the team for underperforming.
 

wolves82

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LOL @ Red14. Massively oversimplified point of view, as usual. Of course MLB teams can manage their payrolls. They can choose to pay or not pay certain players certain amounts of money. They can talk with other teams about possible trades, what needs the other teams may have, etc.

What they cannot do, according to the CBA that everyone agreed to, is discuss their payroll intentions with other teams. More specifically, they cannot collude together to keep Free Agent salaries low. If Team A tells Team B "we won't pay more than $X for this player or that player", they are violating the spirit of free agency and the letter of the CBA law.

It will be hard to prove collusion. But it has happened twice before, and I believe the last time the MLB had to pay $280 Million to the players association for those collusion cases in the 1980's. Also, in this CBA, if the teams are found guilty of collusion, the players association can immediately opt to terminate the current CBA and open negotations for a new CBA.

Braves GM is an absolute dumb a$$ for saying what he said - it opens the door for the MLBPA to at least make life miserable for a while, and possibly extract some money from the teams to forgo a full-blown collusion case.

Sigh. Baseball does not need this right now. After historically low World Series TV ratings, having this as the primary off-season conversation is really not good.
 

Red14

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LOL @ Red14. Massively oversimplified point of view, as usual. Of course MLB teams can manage their payrolls. They can choose to pay or not pay certain players certain amounts of money. They can talk with other teams about possible trades, what needs the other teams may have, etc.

What they cannot do, according to the CBA that everyone agreed to, is discuss their payroll intentions with other teams. More specifically, they cannot collude together to keep Free Agent salaries low. If Team A tells Team B "we won't pay more than $X for this player or that player", they are violating the spirit of free agency and the letter of the CBA law.

It will be hard to prove collusion. But it has happened twice before, and I believe the last time the MLB had to pay $280 Million to the players association for those collusion cases in the 1980's. Also, in this CBA, if the teams are found guilty of collusion, the players association can immediately opt to terminate the current CBA and open negotations for a new CBA.

Braves GM is an absolute dumb a$$ for saying what he said - it opens the door for the MLBPA to at least make life miserable for a while, and possibly extract some money from the teams to forgo a full-blown collusion case.

Sigh. Baseball does not need this right now. After historically low World Series TV ratings, having this as the primary off-season conversation is really not good.
Doesn't everyone know what everyone makes in baseball?? It's not like it's a secret, and actually the MLBPA wants the salaries disclosed so their clients can ask for the most money. But you see this is where the owners have leverage with baseball players. In few other pro sports, a $500,000 player can produce as much as a $15 mill per year guy. If they both start, they get the same number of at bats, and in many cases we see teams like the Oakland A's, with an $80 million dollar pay roll, play as well as a team with a $200 million dollar pay roll. So why should teams overpay players? Just because the union says so?? How many pretty good, but not great veteran players get overpriced out of baseball because of the union rules on what they have to be paid? We see this every year.

The sky is not falling, don't fall for the hype. Baseball is just fine. And there is very little off season baseball talk anyway.
 

eastside_purple

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Yeah, AA pretty much said he contacted all the other teams to understand their free agency needs and plans. What a dumbsh!t! Lol.
 

eastside_purple

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Doesn't everyone know what everyone makes in baseball?? It's not like it's a secret, and actually the MLBPA wants the salaries disclosed so their clients can ask for the most money. But you see this is where the owners have leverage with baseball players. In few other pro sports, a $500,000 player can produce as much as a $15 mill per year guy. If they both start, they get the same number of at bats, and in many cases we see teams like the Oakland A's, with an $80 million dollar pay roll, play as well as a team with a $200 million dollar pay roll. So why should teams overpay players? Just because the union says so?? How many pretty good, but not great veteran players get overpriced out of baseball because of the union rules on what they have to be paid? We see this every year.

The sky is not falling, don't fall for the hype. Baseball is just fine. And there is very little off season baseball talk anyway.
Wtf are you even blabbering about?
 

wolves82

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Doesn't everyone know what everyone makes in baseball?? It's not like it's a secret, and actually the MLBPA wants the salaries disclosed so their clients can ask for the most money. But you see this is where the owners have leverage with baseball players. In few other pro sports, a $500,000 player can produce as much as a $15 mill per year guy. If they both start, they get the same number of at bats, and in many cases we see teams like the Oakland A's, with an $80 million dollar pay roll, play as well as a team with a $200 million dollar pay roll. So why should teams overpay players? Just because the union says so?? How many pretty good, but not great veteran players get overpriced out of baseball because of the union rules on what they have to be paid? We see this every year.

The sky is not falling, don't fall for the hype. Baseball is just fine. And there is very little off season baseball talk anyway.
I fall for it every time. You post something that is factually incorrect, dumb, and wildly misses the point of the topic. it stuns me, and I reply and try to enlighten you.

"Doesn't everyone know what everyone makes in baseball??" Of course they do, any idiot with a browser knows what every players CURRENT salary is. What teams cannot discuss with other teams is how much they might be offering a free agent.

"...union rules on what they have to be paid" There are no such rules. There are MLB minimums, but veterans are subject to arbitration and/or free agency and get paid what the market will bear.

The rest of your post is so far off topic and pointless, I decline to comment.
 

thavoice

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It is very hard to prove, but I believe they are guilty of it.

Just like NFL owners and Kapernick. Impossible to prove, but come one he is better than most of the backups and even a couple of starters in the league....
 

Crusaders

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Pretty obviously not as multiple teams worked him out and decided not to sign him.

Pretty obvious no one wanted to deal with the circus around him or pay him the absurd amount he was demanding.

Pretty obvious there wasn't collusion.

Now back to baseball.
 

Red14

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Goal #1 in pro sports is for owners to make money or at least not lose too much money owning their franchise.

These tend to be ultra-competitive people, so winning is near the top of the reasons they do it.

They will sign about ANYONE who will help them win. NO MATTER what type of person they are or what they have done, we see this proven over and over and over. Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt and Joe Mixon all played NFL football games yesterday and all have serious domestic violence incidents in their past, on video and they've been punished in their own ways, and they are still in the league.

If...IF Kaepernik could help an NFL team win, he'd be playing, plain and simple. He simply isn't good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, moreover, he's too big of a distraction to be a backup on your team. Much in the same way Tim Tebow was out of a job in the NFL. Questions would be asked everyday about why and when the backup would be playing if you have a high profile backup. Backup quarterbacks are in the background, quietly and ready to step in when necessary. That's it.
Is Kaepernik good enough to be a 2nd or 3rd string QB in the NFL, probably. Is he good enough to be a starter on a team that's not giving experience to a young QB, no.
 

thavoice

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Goal #1 in pro sports is for owners to make money or at least not lose too much money owning their franchise.

These tend to be ultra-competitive people, so winning is near the top of the reasons they do it.

They will sign about ANYONE who will help them win. NO MATTER what type of person they are or what they have done, we see this proven over and over and over. Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt and Joe Mixon all played NFL football games yesterday and all have serious domestic violence incidents in their past, on video and they've been punished in their own ways, and they are still in the league.

If...IF Kaepernik could help an NFL team win, he'd be playing, plain and simple. He simply isn't good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, moreover, he's too big of a distraction to be a backup on your team. Much in the same way Tim Tebow was out of a job in the NFL. Questions would be asked everyday about why and when the backup would be playing if you have a high profile backup. Backup quarterbacks are in the background, quietly and ready to step in when necessary. That's it.
Is Kaepernik good enough to be a 2nd or 3rd string QB in the NFL, probably. Is he good enough to be a starter on a team that's not giving experience to a young QB, no.
Tebow was out of a job because he didn't have the talent, or numbers, to stick around.

Kap does.
 

Red14

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So is there collusion for Garrit Cole? Or is the mantra that only 2-3 teams could even entertain in signing him? Good luck Yankees, you just sunk your franchise for the foreseeable futrue.
 

eastside_purple

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Goal #1 in pro sports is for owners to make money or at least not lose too much money owning their franchise.

These tend to be ultra-competitive people, so winning is near the top of the reasons they do it.

They will sign about ANYONE who will help them win. NO MATTER what type of person they are or what they have done, we see this proven over and over and over. Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt and Joe Mixon all played NFL football games yesterday and all have serious domestic violence incidents in their past, on video and they've been punished in their own ways, and they are still in the league.

If...IF Kaepernik could help an NFL team win, he'd be playing, plain and simple. He simply isn't good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, moreover, he's too big of a distraction to be a backup on your team. Much in the same way Tim Tebow was out of a job in the NFL. Questions would be asked everyday about why and when the backup would be playing if you have a high profile backup. Backup quarterbacks are in the background, quietly and ready to step in when necessary. That's it.
Is Kaepernik good enough to be a 2nd or 3rd string QB in the NFL, probably. Is he good enough to be a starter on a team that's not giving experience to a young QB, no.
None of those guys you mentioned had the President of the United States running a campaign against their employment like Kaep had with Trump.
 

Red14

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Tebow was out of a job because he didn't have the talent, or numbers, to stick around.

Kap does.
That's not known. One thing known is he's not good enough to be a sure fire NFL starter, or he would be. No team is going to bring him in to "compete" for the starting job or be a backup. NFL coaches do not want to be asked on a daily basis when the backup is going to play or the status of their backup QB. Backup QB's are quiet, and play only when asked. You don't think Kap would pop off when asked about his playing status as a backup?
And remember, Kap can play in Canada, or Arena football or this new spring league and no one has talked to him.
 

Crusaders

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Kaep wanted $20m a year to play in the AAF. Anyone who thinks this guy isn’t out for money and publicity is a Grade A moron
 

wolves82

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So... Garrett Cole signs a ridiculous monster deal with the Yankees. I come into the Baseball free agency collusion thread and read a bunch of posts about Kaepernick. OK.

As for the signings of Strasburg and Cole, remember last year when baseball FA collusion was suspected, and free agency was "broken"? Looks like it might be "fixed". The Cole contract is insane - 9 years for a pitcher? Wow. Only the Yankees.
 

Indiandad

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So... Garrett Cole signs a ridiculous monster deal with the Yankees. I come into the Baseball free agency collusion thread and read a bunch of posts about Kaepernick. OK.

As for the signings of Strasburg and Cole, remember last year when baseball FA collusion was suspected, and free agency was "broken"? Looks like it might be "fixed". The Cole contract is insane - 9 years for a pitcher? Wow. Only the Yankees.
The scary part is that the Yankees have nearly 100M coming off their payroll over the next 2 seasons. They will just reload.
 

Red14

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So... Garrett Cole signs a ridiculous monster deal with the Yankees. I come into the Baseball free agency collusion thread and read a bunch of posts about Kaepernick. OK.

As for the signings of Strasburg and Cole, remember last year when baseball FA collusion was suspected, and free agency was "broken"? Looks like it might be "fixed". The Cole contract is insane - 9 years for a pitcher? Wow. Only the Yankees.
Because that's what pro athletes do. They all have individual agents and sign individual contracts. Yet when someone perceives they are aren't wanted, they cry collusion. It has nothing to do with free market or business owners have a choice of who they want to hire and pay. Just a natural comparison because it's been in the news in other sports.
 

Red14

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Don't plan on the Yankees winning any time soon. As we've seen, one pitcher doesn't win world series. There is absolutely no competitive balance in pro baseball.
 

brianwr112

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Don't plan on the Yankees winning any time soon. As we've seen, one pitcher doesn't win world series. There is absolutely no competitive balance in pro baseball.
This has to be a troll statement right? Like the Yankees are going to wake up tomorrow worry about their budget?
 
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