Midwest Athletic Conference 2024

Who will be MAC champions

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bcw said:
And to thavoice's comment on a QB's impact on a High School game...........I totally agree. An elite running QB that can throw decent has a greater impact on a HS football game than an elite passing quarterback who doesn't run much. The former requires a lot less help from his teammates and is a lot harder for a defense to scheme to stop.

At BHS we had Dezmin Lyburtus in 2017. Dezmin, while not offered by any Division 1 schools (had a great career at WR for Ferris St. and Ashland), had a very similar impact as Tavien St. Clair.

It's just a different skill set, but colleges at the P5 level rely an extreme amount on metrics. They know that their players almost always (always an exception) need to lie in a certain skill set to rise to the level they need. Regardless of how Tavien's OSU career plays out, he blows their metrics out of the water. Those are their staffs words not mine. Oh, and that of Nick Saban as well, so take it for what it's worth.
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Aaron Craft against Marion Local was one of the best HS Quarterbacks I've ever seen in person. Obviously we all know where his career went and he had no football future (at least at QB) to add to your point.
 
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SLM20 said:
I respect what ML has but I just don't think they can beat TCC and a few other top teams in D3.
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Only time I really thought they would have a chance against the D3 champ was 2017. Marion was really big and strong on the lines that year (by their standards) with a 6'6" Qb that could sling it. That was the team that running clocked Coldwater and Kirtland in the playoffs. I remember watching Trotwood in the D3 title game and thinking Marion could at the very least hang with them. I also watched Pickerington Central win D1 that week and I didn't fancy Marion's chances against them at all. Somehow Trotwood beat PC earlier that season. PC just looked better than Trotwood that finals week.
 
Msfootball said:
Only time I really thought they would have a chance against the D3 champ was 2017. Marion was really big and strong on the lines that year (by their standards) with a 6'6" Qb that could sling it. That was the team that running clocked Coldwater and Kirtland in the playoffs. I remember watching Trotwood in the D3 title game and thinking Marion could at the very least hang with them. I also watched Pickerington Central win D1 that week and I didn't fancy Marion's chances against them at all. Somehow Trotwood beat PC earlier that season. PC just looked better than Trotwood that finals week.
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I defer to Drew Pastuer on these topics as his computer is smarter than mine. He’s got Marion Local #7 regardless of division in the state. If that’s true, they’d have given TCC a hell of a game.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Agree. Brody Hoying vs Keith Wenning a good ex., Wenning good enough to play D1 at QB and had a cup of coffee in NFL but would take Hoying at HS QB any day.
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Completely agree regarding the Brody Hoying & Keith Wenning comparison/observation. Taking nothing away from Wenning but B Hoying was a force in both sides of the ball.

How many times has someone gone to a high school game with one team having 1 or 2 D1 kids and that team stinks or is getting their tails kicked by a bunch of kids on the other team who will never see a college locker room?
 
Flbackyard said:
Aaron Craft against Marion Local was one of the best HS Quarterbacks I've ever seen in person. Obviously we all know where his career went and he had no football future (at least at QB) to add to your point.
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I heard that many times from st14ners...said he was tbe.tougjest qb they ever faced.
 
bcw said:
I defer to Drew Pastuer on these topics as his computer is smarter than mine. He’s got Marion Local #7 regardless of division in the state. If that’s true, they’d have given TCC a hell of a game.
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I presume most of what you've seen of MSML was watching film of CW.

They. Just win. Offensively they always have a hat on a hat and the ball carrier free. Defensively it's like they have 12-13 guys on the field.

Although they are our rival, I respect the hell outta what Cramer built and Goodwin has sustained (IYKYK).


Could they beat a TCC? Maybe 1 out of 10. Could they beat the best public schools in that division? I'd say fiddy percent.

TCC jisr gets the best recruits in that area...tough to hang with that.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Agree. Brody Hoying vs Keith Wenning a good ex., Wenning good enough to play D1 at QB and had a cup of coffee in NFL but would take Hoying at HS QB any day.
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I'd take Brody, kyle Hoyng, Balsinggame...maybe both...over KW and his rocket.arm.
 
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Flyer_pride said:
I believe this is the 1st year that a Marion Local Quarterback won the Maria Stein Countryfest QB Challenge. Marion Local's Senior QB Justin Knouff #7 placed 1st with Freshman QB Brennen Hess #14 placing 2nd. Knouff is a special dual threat QB with a strong, accurate arm and is a strong, fast running back. He made lots of plays last year as junior, leading them to a 3rd consecutive State Championship. I believe he ran 4 events at the State Track Meet last month anchoring the winning 4 x 100 team and helping lead Marion Local to a 2nd consecutive State Championship in Track. He looks like he put on a lot of muscle since last football season and should be on some D1 MAC School's radars as he has the size, speed, strength and arm talent to play at that level.

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what is the size on Knouff kid?
 
LetitFly said:
I was 100% stirring the pot. Just trying to have some good, clean, satirical conversation….which you commented on in depth.

I was also 100% being a jagoff but if that’s frowned upon I can go to a less serious page
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I'm a HUGE fan of 7 on 7's..... Minster played the Bellefountaine QB and a bunch of OSU recruits, and were coached by osu coaches at the OSU 7 on 7 tournament. The Cats beat that team twice ( their only two losses)..... your thoughts on what this means?
 
bigkat said:
I'm a HUGE fan of 7 on 7's..... Minster played the Bellefountaine QB and a bunch of OSU recruits, and were coached by osu coaches at the OSU 7 on 7 tournament. The Cats beat that team twice ( their only two losses)..... your thoughts on what this means?
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Nothing
 
bigkat said:
I'm a HUGE fan of 7 on 7's..... Minster played the Bellefountaine QB and a bunch of OSU recruits, and were coached by osu coaches at the OSU 7 on 7 tournament. The Cats beat that team twice ( their only two losses)..... your thoughts on what this means?
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7 on 7s are good .and I wish we had them. I recall our best passing drills was a skeleton drill, essentially a 7 on 7 intersquad.

However......many people overrate them and I believe traveling all over the country for them and touting the results always has me laugh. It's just another practice tool.....nothing more, nothing less.
 
Flbackyard said:
Thavoice said:
I'd take Brody, kyle Hoyng, Balsinggame...maybe both...over KW and his rocket.arm.
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Yes in HS I would take the better all around athlete over the cannon arm too. Side note the Best hs QB/player I ever saw was Allen Iverson. He could throw run and was pretty much a 1 man show. Saw him as a jr and I think he was like the National HS offensive player of the year. He never came off field until game was out of reach
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Jaws31 said:
Marion Local would not win D3. TCC would kill them.
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TCC might beat them but they would not kill them. Blowouts happen because teams commit dumb penalties, turn the ball over and never establish any field position due to poor special teams. MSML is too well coached to have those things happen. I concede they may not win but it absolutely would not be a blowout.
 
fbrox said:
TCC might beat them but they would not kill them. Blowouts happen because teams commit dumb penalties, turn the ball over and never establish any field position due to poor special teams. MSML is too well coached to have those things happen. I concede they may not win but it absolutely would not be a blowout.
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I have all the respect in the world for ML but TCC would beat them by at least 3 tds. Discipline and coaching are great things to have but it still comes down to athletes. TCCs size and speed would just overwhelm ML. It could be a game for a while but it would end up lopsided.

I do agree though that they would win 5,6, and 7, most likey fairly easily. I actually think they would give Glenville a game too.
 
fbrox said:
TCC might beat them but they would not kill them. Blowouts happen because teams commit dumb penalties, turn the ball over and never establish any field position due to poor special teams. MSML is too well coached to have those things happen. I concede they may not win but it absolutely would not be a blowout.
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Remember that TCC had “trouble” with a mediocre at best Defiance. TCC ran back 2 kick off returns for TD’s in the first half and still only won by 15. MSML would give TCC all they could handle and then some. Now I don’t full believe MSML would win a majority of the games, but I would give them 4 or 5 out of 10.
 
Thavoice said:
7 on 7s are good .and I wish we had them. I recall our best passing drills was a skeleton drill, essentially a 7 on 7 intersquad.

However......many people overrate them and I believe traveling all over the country for them and touting the results always has me laugh. It's just another practice tool.....nothing more, nothing less.
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i'm sorta being sarcastic... not a HUGE fan of them... hell i could have thrown for a thousand yards back in the day, and i was a tackle...LOL!!
 
Jaws31 said:
I do agree though that they would win 5,6, and 7, most likely fairly easily. I actually think they would give Glenville a game too.
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No idea on Glenville or TCC, but those touting ML as automatic winners of 5 & 6 should remember that ML played Kirtland four times in the finals, went 2-2, and only one of those two wins was ‘easy’.
 
serpico said:
No idea on Glenville or TCC, but those touting ML as automatic winners of 5 & 6 should remember that ML played Kirtland four times in the finals, went 2-2, and only one of those two wins was ‘easy’.
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You know what they say... 1 is better than none 😉
 
serpico said:
No idea on Glenville or TCC, but those touting ML as automatic winners of 5 & 6 should remember that ML played Kirtland four times in the finals, went 2-2, and only one of those two wins was ‘easy’.
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I only say easily because of the whispers on how good this years version of ML supposedly is. .
 
ctown14 said:
Remember that TCC had “trouble” with a mediocre at best Defiance.
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Maybe the WBL was better than it got credit for last year. Marion Local for argument’s sake should have lost to Wapak, and Defiance and Celina both got knocked out by the D3 champs and runner-up in 2 possession games
 
BirdDog10 said:
Maybe the WBL was better than it got credit for last year. Marion Local for argument’s sake should have lost to Wapak, and Defiance and Celina both got knocked out by the D3 champs and runner-up in 2 possession games
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Perhaps you are correct but a mark of a good team is you win games that you should win and close out games that should be out of reach. ML was down 2 scores on Wapak and they blew it. Badin had to go almost the entire length of the field on the final drive after Wapak pinned them deep with like 2 minutes left and they blew it. Maybe you can say they were good, but none of them were great except maybe you can make the argument for Celina because they won multiple games people said they had no chance with.
 
State2013-1 said:
Perhaps you are correct but a mark of a good team is you win games that you should win and close out games that should be out of reach. ML was down 2 scores on Wapak and they blew it. Badin had to go almost the entire length of the field on the final drive after Wapak pinned them deep with like 2 minutes left and they blew it. Maybe you can say they were good, but none of them were great except maybe you can make the argument for Celina because they won multiple games people said they had no chance with.
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Wapak was down multiple starters at that point, and for a good portion of the game including their starting QB. I think the kid playing QB in the second half was actually diagnosed with a broken ankle the next day.
 
PantherSkin said:
Wapak was down multiple starters at that point, and for a good portion of the game including their starting QB. I think the kid playing QB in the second half was actually diagnosed with a broken ankle the next day.
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You're correct, but even then, in both of these instances the offense put them in a position to win and the defense/special teams blew it in the end. Great teams close those games out. Wasn't trying to dog their season at all. The one poster just pointed out TCC had problems with average Defiance team and they said perhaps the WBL was better than we thought. But I think they were probably just as good as we thought. Good but not great teams.
 
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State2013-1 said:
You're correct, but even then, in both of these instances the offense put them in a position to win and the defense/special teams blew it in the end. Great teams close those games out. Wasn't trying to dog their season at all. The one poster just pointed out TCC had problems with average Defiance team and they said perhaps the WBL was better than we thought. But I think they were probably just as good as we thought. Good but not great teams.
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Nah, WBL was definitely better last season that than have been in a long time. It was a strong season for the WBL with great teams.
 
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