Manchester's Jay Brophy Retires

Helmet guy

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Two "new members" post exactly two minutes apart.......
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Hahaha. What's a guy gotta do to lose that status Yappi. I've been posting for 6 months
 

Raylan_Givens

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Can I ask why he is respected but has been multiple places and never held a coordinator position or called plays?
Also, so we'll respected he has multiple people lined up to coach with him?? Oh, correct he does not.
Yes, you can ask that. Absolutely you can. But I think you might find a better way to spend your time - like looking for a different school for your kid(s) to go to. Figure that has to be why you are so butt-hurt about this decision. Otherwise…we’ll, it would be weird. Really weird.
 

Football IQ

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Yes, you can ask that. Absolutely you can. But I think you might find a better way to spend your time - like looking for a different school for your kid(s) to go to. Figure that has to be why you are so butt-hurt about this decision. Otherwise…we’ll, it would be weird. Really weird.
Again. No one answered any question or point with some form of logical response yet. I have way more reason to be upset over such a brash/wrong decision.

I am willing to listen and talk about scheme, x's and o's, coaching decisions, and culture. Whatever, a week since the decision basically and the players have no one around them that has made them better in anyway. If anything the retread (think it's cool to be on the sideline) coaches are lurking around this program more and more.
 

Raylan_Givens

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Again. No one answered any question or point with some form of logical response yet. I have way more reason to be upset over such a brash/wrong decision.

I am willing to listen and talk about scheme, x's and o's, coaching decisions, and culture. Whatever, a week since the decision basically and the players have no one around them that has made them better in anyway. If anything the retread (think it's cool to be on the sideline) coaches are lurking around this program more and more.
Dude, I love off season football talk, but it’s obvious nothing will change your mind.

My suggestion- call the AD or principal tomorrow and ask about such an unqualified candidate got hired. They are the only ones who can answer that question. I doubt anyone on here can shed any light on the background.

(Not sure I’ve ever seen the fan base of a winless program so upset about a coaching hire. Yikes!)
 

Bluestreakoffice

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You do realize that's not why you hire a coach right?? You want someone who is invested in that community/kids and wants to be there through thick and thin. A D 5 school looking for a coach who plans on staying there? Look at the schools of Stark County..the longest consecutive running coach is 10 years...you have two other coaches that have enormous experience...one at GlenOak stepped away and then came back...one at Northwest who has a tremendous amount of experience...who your coach got to work and learn from...besides his dad.

Also, he's done well at other places? Then why is he leaving?? Again the word is "underutilized" coming from Northwest AKA doesn't have much say. How well do you know John Demarco and have you ever worked with him? One of the youngest coaching staffs in the area...there is no way underutilized.

You people are completely blinded and don't realize what really went down here. This was a debacle from the start and agendas got in the way what was truly best for those kids, school, and community. Mess!!
 
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Bluestreakoffice

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Again going from place to place really shows loyalty. Jumping place to place when things get tough and trying to follow already existing talent. He's been a lot of places and never had more than a "co-offensive" coordinator role. The track record is just hard to follow because there is none. Speaking from experience those former teams have had a ton of talent all over but never struck fear in anyone physically. Soft

You're only as good as the people you are going to put around you and your program. He doesn't have that staff either.
Lake, Massillon, Green...soft?

"You're only as good as the people you are going to put around you and your program. He doesn't have that staff either." Lets see a D 5 school...how many teaching positions do you have available to hire a football coaching staff? Plus do you think...just maybe his dad will be available to help him win?
 

TopCat

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What sort of offense and defense??? He's never ran one before... unless you include the pick and roll/flex offense and a 2-3 zone on D.

Very much so. Don't throw square pegs into round holes, but it's different overseeing all of for the first time. There is no proven track record of it. Ontop of running an off-season, which is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
Coaches have preferences and histories. I'm sure it was discussed in interviews with administrators and the community members who were involved.
 

joesports

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Can I ask why he is respected but has been multiple places and never held a coordinator position or called plays?
Also, so we'll respected he has multiple people lined up to coach with him?? Oh, correct he does not.
I am sorry but you just sound like a scorned lover … I am sorry your friend didn’t get the job … that is the way to goes sometimes … very good candidates don’t always get the job … for a multitude of good reasons.

Second, past resume is only part of the hiring process … as a former head coach and AD … calling plays is way down the list of importance for being a good head coach … the absolute worst hire in my life was when I was fooled by a great resume … he was the OC for a 3 time state champion … could call plays … knew his x‘s and o‘s … but zero communication skills … I remember people saying the same thing about Mike Tomlin (about a weak resume) when the Steelers hired him … turns out people skills are quite important in coaching … from what I hear Stacy is fairly good at this … give him a chance.

Third, not having a coaching staff lined up a week after being hire is pretty common for a new coach … this not the NFL or college … this was the hardest part for me when getting hired … especially at a smaller school with not many teaching openings.
 

Raylan_Givens

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I am sorry but you just sound like a scorned lover … I am sorry your friend didn’t get the job … that is the way to goes sometimes … very good candidates don’t always get the job … for a multitude of good reasons.

Second, past resume is only part of the hiring process … as a former head coach and AD … calling plays is way down the list of importance for being a good head coach … the absolute worst hire in my life was when I was fooled by a great resume … he was the OC for a 3 time state champion … could call plays … knew his x‘s and o‘s … but zero communication skills … I remember people saying the same thing about Mike Tomlin (about a weak resume) when the Steelers hired him … turns out people skills are quite important in coaching … from what I hear Stacy is fairly good at this … give him a chance.

Third, not having a coaching staff lined up a week after being hire is pretty common for a new coach … this not the NFL or college … this was the hardest part for me when getting hired … especially at a smaller school with not many teaching openings.
Thank you for your contribution & perspective. That was great.

Now please go away! This thread is for folks to act like morons & to allow the rest of us to mock them!!😂
 
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NEOballer

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Interesting to see Bohley step down at Chippewa. Sorry, I know this is a Manchester thread but he was a popular topic here...
 

RedRiderRTR

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I think this is what people were referring to when they mentioned that he should probably have been the choice. Read the tweet above and they’ll be some perspective there. Again, good luck to the new staff and the Panthers moving forward.
 

ShootNation

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I think this is what people were referring to when they mentioned that he should probably have been the choice. Read the tweet above and they’ll be some perspective there. Again, good luck to the new staff and the Panthers moving forward.
10 years and 5.5 wins per season, not exactly a crazy resume. I know Chippewa had traditionally been pretty bad but they haven't had a winning season since 2018 and they're not exactly playing the giants of the area. They had a great three year run there during his tenure but outside of that they have been completely average the last half of the decade
 

RedRiderRTR

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You can spin the stats however you’d like, but that tweet was from WQKT and 50 years is 50 years. Spin the hire however you see fit, but you wonder why Manchester people are upset. Furthermore, outside of the last 2-3 years, the WCAL top half has been better than the PAC.
 

Raylan_Givens

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You can spin the stats however you’d like, but that tweet was from WQKT and 50 years is 50 years. Spin the hire however you see fit, but you wonder why Manchester people are upset. Furthermore, outside of the last 2-3 years, the WCAL top half has been better than the PAC.
You don't really believe that, do you? I'll give you the year Norwayne won state (they beat Orrville in playoffs before they were in the PAC), but beyond that? Norwayne & Dalton have been the class of the WCAL for 10-15 years. Some of those Norwayne teams would have competed for & maybe won the PAC, but beyond that...nah.
 

RedRiderRTR

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Lol I most certainly do and you’re arrogant if you believe otherwise. Norwayne, Dalton, Northwestern, Chippewa, and Hillsdale over the last ten years on any given year absolutely were better. Hillsdale played Manchester in a home and home and won both, as did Norwayne. Take Northwest and Canton South out the last 2-3 years and match up the leagues top to bottom. Not sure where the PAC arrogance comes from? The WCAL is an extremely underrated league that never gets the respect it deserves.
 

ShootNation

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Lol I most certainly do and you’re arrogant if you believe otherwise. Norwayne, Dalton, Northwestern, Chippewa, and Hillsdale over the last ten years on any given year absolutely were better. Hillsdale played Manchester in a home and home and won both, as did Norwayne. Take Northwest and Canton South out the last 2-3 years and match up the leagues top to bottom. Not sure where the PAC arrogance comes from? The WCAL is an extremely underrated league that never gets the respect it deserves.
It's a 8 team conference, you can't just remove 25% of the teams because they don't fit your narrative. If you step back and really look at the numbers your claim is pretty ridiculous
 

RedRiderRTR

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You guys really are something else. I give up. Good luck to all in the mighty PAC in ‘23. Hope all of you have a magical run in the meat-grinder of a league and the playoffs, just like last year.
 

RedRiderRTR

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I know what Orrville is and has and I’ll look at our league trophy from last year this week. Btw Norwayne, Dalton, Northwestern, Hillsdale, probably Smithville beats us and Chippewa abused us in our scrimmage. Alas I will step aside, I just needed reminded the PAC is NE Ohio’s version of the MAC
 

Rich Kotite

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You can spin the stats however you’d like, but that tweet was from WQKT and 50 years is 50 years. Spin the hire however you see fit, but you wonder why Manchester people are upset. Furthermore, outside of the last 2-3 years, the WCAL top half has been better than the PAC.
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Rich Kotite

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I know what Orrville is and has and I’ll look at our league trophy from last year this week. Btw Norwayne, Dalton, Northwestern, Hillsdale, probably Smithville beats us and Chippewa abused us in our scrimmage. Alas I will step aside, I just needed reminded the PAC is NE Ohio’s version of the MAC
Tuslaw is a soft more rural version of Jackson. The mom mini vans are strong.
 

CasualFan24

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You can spin the stats however you’d like, but that tweet was from WQKT and 50 years is 50 years. Spin the hire however you see fit, but you wonder why Manchester people are upset. Furthermore, outside of the last 2-3 years, the WCAL top half has been better than the PAC.
Follow me on this site at all and you will see that I'm a giant Dalton honk. That said, Dalton would compete in the PAC, but likely loses games to Northwest, CVCA, Canton South etc.....I realize you're trying to take out the last 2-3 years......but CVCA and NW specifically (outside of an occasional off year) have been consistently pretty good. I don't think Dalton would beat either of those teams consistently.

For example....in 2019 Dalton went 9-2 (7-0)(outright league title), lost in week 11 to a really tough Fort Frye team. Dalton and Fairless matched up in week 3. Fairless won 41-28. Fairless was 4-6 (2-5) on the season. Now, I was at that game and Dalton (like the Hillsdale game this year) just played awful. Didn't show up at all.....but goes to show you, in the PAC you can lose to a bottom half team if you don't show up and play. Just look at the PAC this year for proof....5 way tie!? Also - as bad as Manchester was last year, they would have beat Rittman and probably Chippewa - and would have had a punchers chance against Waynedale also.
 

Raylan_Givens

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Follow me on this site at all and you will see that I'm a giant Dalton honk. That said, Dalton would compete in the PAC, but likely loses games to Northwest, CVCA, Canton South etc.....I realize you're trying to take out the last 2-3 years......but CVCA and NW specifically (outside of an occasional off year) have been consistently pretty good. I don't think Dalton would beat either of those teams consistently.

For example....in 2019 Dalton went 9-2 (7-0)(outright league title), lost in week 11 to a really tough Fort Frye team. Dalton and Fairless matched up in week 3. Fairless won 41-28. Fairless was 4-6 (2-5) on the season. Now, I was at that game and Dalton (like the Hillsdale game this year) just played awful. Didn't show up at all.....but goes to show you, in the PAC you can lose to a bottom half team if you don't show up and play. Just look at the PAC this year for proof....5 way tie!? Also - as bad as Manchester was last year, they would have beat Rittman and probably Chippewa - and would have had a punchers chance against Waynedale also.
Was waiting for your perspective on this. Don't now anyone else here that has an equal amount of love for a WCAL & a PAC team.

The other side is that Dalton & Norwayne have been head & shoulders above the rest of the WCAL for almost a generation. Hillsdale jumps in once in awhile, but it's mostly the big 2. Last year each of those teams lost 1-2 league game in WCAL & would have lost at least that many in PAC.

Also, the PAC has sent EVERY member (yes, even Tuslaw & former member Loudonville) to the playoffs in the last 5 years prior to the Covid year & subsequent expansion. Been a LONG time since the bottom part of WCAL has earned a 1-8 seed.
 

CasualFan24

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Was waiting for your perspective on this. Don't now anyone else here that has an equal amount of love for a WCAL & a PAC team.

The other side is that Dalton & Norwayne have been head & shoulders above the rest of the WCAL for almost a generation. Hillsdale jumps in once in awhile, but it's mostly the big 2. Last year each of those teams lost 1-2 league game in WCAL & would have lost at least that many in PAC.

Also, the PAC has sent EVERY member (yes, even Tuslaw & former member Loudonville) to the playoffs in the last 5 years prior to the Covid year & subsequent expansion. Been a LONG time since the bottom part of WCAL has earned a 1-8 seed.
I do think that Dalton and Norwayne would absolutely compete in the PAC. The problem is, the strengths that those teams enjoy in the WCAL are not going to be strengths against the top half of the PAC. Dalton's physicality only goes so far when you're playing teams that outsize and out-man you every single week. Norwayne's size advantage that they often enjoy in the trenches would be gone - their line would be average in size with the rest of the league in the PAC. And the Jake Gills of the WCAL.....well pretty much every team in the PAC has a Jake Gill....only they all have 2-3 of them....
 
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