#IWantASeason

xcandtrack

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#WhatAJoke
Obviously a campaign dreamed up by some boomer who heard that all the kids are really into this thing on their phones.

If keeping our HS sports teams from becoming virus hot spots is key to having a fall sports season it will take leadership from the adults who work with the kids.
This morning while hiking in a local country park I noticed a local HS XC team finishing up their morning work-out. This involved a full squad (50 or so minimally clothed sweaty boys and girls) game of frisbee football. Individuals I would identify as coaches were present along with a group of unmasked parents in a group chatting nearby. As a coach I have never found much value in frisbee football as a training tool, I might just be a frisbeephobe. Note this is in a country under the Orange level 3 advisory. As a coach I know I could run a practice which incorporates good core work and distance work-out all with reasonable distancing. A game that disregards all guidance seems like an unnecessary temp of fate. I know kids will do things on their own I do not agree with, but those things don't happen while I'm in charge and tasked with trying to keep these kids safe. I hope I don't see HS __ in the news re a COVID outbreak.
 

Running Man 101

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Hard to find any issue with what you said. Have seen the same thing, worse for football activities. This is where school leadership comes in. The AD, Principle and Super should spot check things (mine do).

We are not having issues with the guidelines and school rules. The kids occasionally get to close together, but separate apart. First couple of weeks they needed to be reminded but they are doing it on their own now for the most part.
 

madman

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The one thing this experience has clearly revealed to me is how interdependent we are. What we can do and what we should do are not the same thing. Can we get to agreement on what we should do?
 

Percidae

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Are you sure that wasn't a running riot? Riots are not a problem. In fact, that could be a model for fall sports. Fill a stadium or field with rioters and if a football game or xc meet happens to break nobody can say anything because, well, it's a riot!
 

psycho_dad

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Are you sure that wasn't a running riot? Riots are not a problem. In fact, that could be a model for fall sports. Fill a stadium or field with rioters and if a football game or xc meet happens to break nobody can say anything because, well, it's a riot!
How is that at all helpful?!
 

Running Man 101

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Are you sure that wasn't a running riot? Riots are not a problem. In fact, that could be a model for fall sports. Fill a stadium or field with rioters and if a football game or xc meet happens to break nobody can say anything because, well, it's a riot!
Is that the XC corollary to a went to a fight and a hockey game broke out?

XC people in general don't strike me as rioting type of people. XC people would be super handy in a traditional zombie apocalypse, but not the World War Z type.
 

cvctrackfan

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There are some rioters in these protest. But there are also demonstrators. And this coming from a retired police officer Who happens to be African American. And joking about the situation our society is in is surely not humorous no matter what side you are on.
 

Running Man 101

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There are some rioters in these protest. But there are also demonstrators. And this coming from a retired police officer Who happens to be African American. And joking about the situation our society is in is surely not humorous no matter what side you are on.
Protest all you want. Boycott all the businesses you want. You start hurting people or destroying property, you deserve to get your head cracked.

The rioting is being centrally coordinated from somebody, somewhere. Look for a conspiracy charge in the future. People are being bused in, complete with pallets of bricks waiting for them. Wearing the ever useful mask helps hide them for now, maybe.
 

pheesh

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Protest all you want. Boycott all the businesses you want. You start hurting people or destroying property, you deserve to get your head cracked.

The rioting is being centrally coordinated from somebody, somewhere. Look for a conspiracy charge in the future. People are being bused in, complete with pallets of bricks waiting for them. Wearing the ever useful mask helps hide them for now, maybe.
"I have watched this week's unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words "Equal Justice Under Law" are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand — one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values — our values as people and our values as a nation." - James Mattis

Breitbart and Daily Caller are trash.

 

Percidae

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How is that at all helpful?!
At times, pointing out hypocrisy can be helpful, both at the personal and institutional level. It can cause self reflection which may lead to behavior modification. It is hypocritical to encourage protests and riots while at the same time shut down more productive pursuits that are no more or less safe.
 

Running Man 101

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Vid
"I have watched this week's unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words "Equal Justice Under Law" are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand — one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values — our values as people and our values as a nation." - James Mattis

Breitbart and Daily Caller are trash.

pheesh,

You got to love people that create their own fact checking organization to check their own facts. There is videos of this happening, but youtube and twitter and the other censors will not let it through. Conservatives are really limited in their creativity to dream up the stuff leftists come up with.

People should read about what the Nazi's did when they were coming into power. Contrast that with everything happening with the left right now, eerily similar.
 

pheesh

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You got to love people that create their own fact checking organization to check their own facts.
Ok.



Conservatives are really limited in their creativity to dream up the stuff leftists come up with.
I've seen no limits to the creativity.

People should read about what the Nazi's did when they were coming into power
Yes, they should.

“One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”

“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
 

Running Man 101

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Ok.





I've seen no limits to the creativity.



Yes, they should.

“One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”

“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
Keep on going. You are making my point (but you cannot even see it). For sure bricks were moved and thrown. Watched the video on TV in real time and saw it.

Who is doing the following:
  • Banning certain books as "racist" and "unacceptable"
  • Which side is banning speech they don't like, which by definition is free speech and they get decide what is okay and not.
  • Which side is advocating taking money from certain groups and giving it to other groups more deserving.
  • Which side believes the constitution we have is unjust and wants it thrown out and rewritten.
I could go on, but like you quoted, facts don't matter, the truth matters (maybe Biden said that). Biology and DNA don't matter either, only truth.
 

pheesh

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Keep on going. You are making my point (but you cannot even see it). For sure bricks were moved and thrown. Watched the video on TV in real time and saw it.

Who is doing the following:
  • Banning certain books as "racist" and "unacceptable"
  • Which side is banning speech they don't like, which by definition is free speech and they get decide what is okay and not.
  • Which side is advocating taking money from certain groups and giving it to other groups more deserving.
  • Which side believes the constitution we have is unjust and wants it thrown out and rewritten.
I could go on, but like you quoted, facts don't matter, the truth matters (maybe Biden said that). Biology and DNA don't matter either, only truth.
No one disputes rocks and bricks were thrown. In dispute is the ludicrous Antifa conspiracy theory that they were supplied.

I could refute all your ridiculous points, but what's the point?
 

Running Man 101

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I've seen no limits to the creativity.



Yes, they should.

“One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”

“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
You probably know this already, but the Nazi's won elections to get into power. Never got a majority, but didn't need it. They were the social justice warriors of their day. So not Totalitarianism, find the right analogy.

To be honest, I would like to be wrong about all this in our society. But this has been in motion for awhile. Reason why Obama said he showed up 10-20 years early.
 

grange45

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Keep on going. You are making my point (but you cannot even see it). For sure bricks were moved and thrown. Watched the video on TV in real time and saw it.

Who is doing the following:
  • Banning certain books as "racist" and "unacceptable"
  • Which side is banning speech they don't like, which by definition is free speech and they get decide what is okay and not.
  • Which side is advocating taking money from certain groups and giving it to other groups more deserving.
  • Which side believes the constitution we have is unjust and wants it thrown out and rewritten.
I could go on, but like you quoted, facts don't matter, the truth matters (maybe Biden said that). Biology and DNA don't matter either, only truth.
I love how you are wasting so much time on here. Do your really think you are being productive in promoting your political agenda lol.
 
Keep on going. You are making my point (but you cannot even see it). For sure bricks were moved and thrown. Watched the video on TV in real time and saw it.

Who is doing the following:
  • Banning certain books as "racist" and "unacceptable"
  • Which side is banning speech they don't like, which by definition is free speech and they get decide what is okay and not.
  • Which side is advocating taking money from certain groups and giving it to other groups more deserving.
  • Which side believes the constitution we have is unjust and wants it thrown out and rewritten.
I could go on, but like you quoted, facts don't matter, the truth matters (maybe Biden said that). Biology and DNA don't matter either, only truth.
Seems to me the Bonespur clan tried to get two books banned in just the last month
 

Running Man 101

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I love how you are wasting so much time on here. Do your really think you are being productive in promoting your political agenda lol.
Not wasting any time. You clowns are the ones that don't want to have an XC season. I get plenty of time to stay home right now.

May have to teach HS this fall if to many teachers refuse to come back. What I great chance to replace some of the garbage they've had their heads filled with.
 

ENA2

Member
Although reading this soap opera has been exciting it seems that all parties want to see a fall sports season... as long as their party proves to be “right”. ain’t going to happen. No one knows. Everyone is guessing. Here ARE a few things that I have heard from some of my son’s specialists (he had a liver transplant 7 years ago and I trust them) and a few other reliable folks IMO. First- death rates .... if someone dies in a nursing home of a heart attack, or pneumonia who tested positive they will count as a covid-19 death. What about terminal people? - they maybe counted as covid deaths too. I Want to ask haw many of these people would have died anyway? 20%? 15%?.... no one knows. Positive tests: a kid from out school tested positive... no symptoms other than loss of smelling...., A week later he tested again and was positive again... does he count as two positive test on two different days? How many people have two positives? Finally, I teach American government and the is no doubt the both parties were going to politicize this.... that’s what they do. Their primary function is to get their people elected and make the other side lose votes. The next order of business is to prevent a third party from ever getting a toe hold. They usually work together on this one. I want to have a season... I will wear a mask (or an armored suit). And will have my kids wear one as long as all other do. Trumps fault, Obama’s fault, China’s fault, your mom’s fault..... does not matter. I wear a seatbelt, i eat vegetables..... I think I can wear a mask....you don’t have to be very tough to do that.
 

grange45

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Although reading this soap opera has been exciting it seems that all parties want to see a fall sports season... as long as their party proves to be “right”. ain’t going to happen. No one knows. Everyone is guessing. Here ARE a few things that I have heard from some of my son’s specialists (he had a liver transplant 7 years ago and I trust them) and a few other reliable folks IMO. First- death rates .... if someone dies in a nursing home of a heart attack, or pneumonia who tested positive they will count as a covid-19 death. What about terminal people? - they maybe counted as covid deaths too. I Want to ask haw many of these people would have died anyway? 20%? 15%?.... no one knows. Positive tests: a kid from out school tested positive... no symptoms other than loss of smelling...., A week later he tested again and was positive again... does he count as two positive test on two different days? How many people have two positives? Finally, I teach American government and the is no doubt the both parties were going to politicize this.... that’s what they do. Their primary function is to get their people elected and make the other side lose votes. The next order of business is to prevent a third party from ever getting a toe hold. They usually work together on this one. I want to have a season... I will wear a mask (or an armored suit). And will have my kids wear one as long as all other do. Trumps fault, Obama’s fault, China’s fault, your mom’s fault..... does not matter. I wear a seatbelt, i eat vegetables..... I think I can wear a mask....you don’t have to be very tough to do that.
It hasn’t been exciting, it’s been sad.

The division that we are seeing right now due to entitlement, unwillingness to sacrifice, political blame, not admitting you are wrong, half truths, lying, and unwilling to listen to others people input (and attack them if they disagree with you) is mind blowing.

personally I have lost a lot of trust in of what’s been fed to me over the past months. Hidden agendas and and one track minds since this all started. Especially from most of the higher ups and both sides of the media.
 

mathking

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We have on the order of 150,000 more deaths now than would be normal at this point in the year. That is actually at the lower end of estimates because it does not take into account that the economic slowdown and travel restrictions have actually decreased the number of overall accident deaths, which is a major source of deaths in a "normal" year. It also does not take into account that COVID-19 inspired restrictions should decrease the number of deaths from the infectious diseases that normally spread in the population. So for those of you who think the COVID-19 data is all cooked, exactly what do you think is causing the excess deaths? Because there is a very powerful Occam's Razor argument that it's primarily COVID-19.
 

ENA2

Member
Mostly agree. When I said “exciting” I meant like two rams butting heads.... sad in a way, predictable for sure, but a little exciting to observe from a distance. The common ground is important.... the kids. I believe we all want to have a safe season, and there may be some changes.... #Iwantaseason.... I think we all do, so let’s do what we can to help that cause.
 

ENA2

Member
1 believe your numbers mathking, but the CDC website says 120,000+ covid deaths as of 7/11. That’s what I am saying... no one knows for sure... but we all know that washing regularly, social distance and mouth/nose covering will help stop the spread of germs. And don’t put fingers or other things in you nose or mouth. Grandma taught us that.
 

psycho_dad

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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...

Good point Mathking, I had thought last time I saw it was 80k a few months ago. Haven't seen that number. Where is your graph or chart? Everything is Graphs and charts these days.
 

pheesh

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It hasn’t been exciting, it’s been sad.

The division that we are seeing right now due to entitlement, unwillingness to sacrifice, political blame, not admitting you are wrong, half truths, lying, and unwilling to listen to others people input (and attack them if they disagree with you) is mind blowing.

personally I have lost a lot of trust in of what’s been fed to me over the past months. Hidden agendas and and one track minds since this all started. Especially from most of the higher ups and both sides of the media.
“If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.” - Louis D. Brandeis

“The remedy for speech that is false is speech that is true. This is the ordinary course in a free society. The response to the unreasoned is the rational; to the uninformed, the enlightened; to the straight-out lie, the simple truth.” - Anthony Kennedy

I'm a First Amendment supporter, but this is not the proper forum. My apologies.
 
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mathking

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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...

Good point Mathking, I had thought last time I saw it was 80k a few months ago. Haven't seen that number. Where is your graph or chart? Everything is Graphs and charts these days.
I have been tracking the excess deaths weekly. As well as deaths among health care providers. Those are the stats that epidemiologists and statisticians who model epidemics use to check assumptions. When your assumptions are roughly in line with those you have reason to believe you are on the right track, when they are not you should look at your assumptions. This is what so many people looking for the numbers to prove what they believe don't grasp. Good statisticians look for the numbers that might disprove their model.

By the way, here is a link to an article talking about excess deaths in March-May.

I really, really try to avoid using graphs and charts these days unless I really need a full court press. I do a lesson at the start of AP Stat and the start of Mathematical Models and Data Analysis every year showing who easy it is to deceive with graphs by using the wrong type of graph of the wrong scales. Or by using misleading numbers or graph design.

One interesting thing to remember about the excess fatality rates is that if COVID-19 is really no worse than the flu we should be seeing a drop in overall fatalities. Because overall accident deaths are way down for the year, particularly among teenagers and young adults for whom accidents are a leading cause of death. And because the isolation measures that have been implemented are almost certainly driving down flu and other infectious disease deaths.

I am pretty much through arguing with the people who think this is mostly a hoax. It's not worth my aggravation or theirs. I would say that we will all know in six months, but realistically more evidence won't change that many people's minds. All you have to see to know that is true is to look at how more evidence (and re-evaluation of old evidence) about masks is seen by some as proof that no one knows anything about whether wearing masks helps. A month ago were saying "see infections are going down" and then a few weeks ago it was "OK infections are going back up but hospitalizations are down" and then last week it was "OK infections are up and hospitalizations are up but deaths are down." This week we are on to other "proof that this is all a hoax." But there are a lot of people who still don't know what to think, so for those people my teacher brain and my statistician brain says keep explaining.
 

psycho_dad

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I have been tracking the excess deaths weekly. As well as deaths among health care providers. Those are the stats that epidemiologists and statisticians who model epidemics use to check assumptions. When your assumptions are roughly in line with those you have reason to believe you are on the right track, when they are not you should look at your assumptions. This is what so many people looking for the numbers to prove what they believe don't grasp. Good statisticians look for the numbers that might disprove their model.

By the way, here is a link to an article talking about excess deaths in March-May.

I really, really try to avoid using graphs and charts these days unless I really need a full court press. I do a lesson at the start of AP Stat and the start of Mathematical Models and Data Analysis every year showing who easy it is to deceive with graphs by using the wrong type of graph of the wrong scales. Or by using misleading numbers or graph design.

One interesting thing to remember about the excess fatality rates is that if COVID-19 is really no worse than the flu we should be seeing a drop in overall fatalities. Because overall accident deaths are way down for the year, particularly among teenagers and young adults for whom accidents are a leading cause of death. And because the isolation measures that have been implemented are almost certainly driving down flu and other infectious disease deaths.

I am pretty much through arguing with the people who think this is mostly a hoax. It's not worth my aggravation or theirs. I would say that we will all know in six months, but realistically more evidence won't change that many people's minds. All you have to see to know that is true is to look at how more evidence (and re-evaluation of old evidence) about masks is seen by some as proof that no one knows anything about whether wearing masks helps. A month ago were saying "see infections are going down" and then a few weeks ago it was "OK infections are going back up but hospitalizations are down" and then last week it was "OK infections are up and hospitalizations are up but deaths are down." This week we are on to other "proof that this is all a hoax." But there are a lot of people who still don't know what to think, so for those people my teacher brain and my statistician brain says keep explaining.
I understand about being through with arguing. I get there twice a week myself and then I let myself get sucked back in. I remember sometimes arguing with my children when they were little and about 15 seconds into it, remembering that they are children and I'm not going to argue. This feels a lot like that. I used to have discussion with other coaches about what Woodridge was doing for workouts. Howard used to publish his workouts and my kids would also have them. I think he told coaches at clinics that he would email them his work out plan if they wanted. I would flat out give the coaches his work outs and then get a call or email telling me how bad a plan it was. "I would never run mile repeats like that!" "It's not good to do this a day after that, and you need more of this and less of that!" If you don't train this system more then blah blah blah. He's kicking your butt. When you roll off 3 or 4 in a row, then send me your plan and I'll give it to Jeff. This is like that. There is proof. You can see it with your own two eyes. There are stats a plenty. It's not a hoax. Get it together so we can be done with it.

I was kidding about the graphs and charts. It's all ball bearings nowadays!
 

psycho_dad

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One thing that is really concerning me is the strain on some medical personnel that some seem to completely disregard. My youngest son's grandfather on his mothers side was a helicopter mechanic in Vietnam. He has had some issues with PTSD. Another relative was a soldier in WW2 (Many years deceased now) He had very little affect from his time in combat and he was actually in the trenches. It was always an argument about how soft the Vietnam vets were. The WW2 vet would just rip on the Vietnam vet about being soft. Long story short is that the helicopter mechanic in Vietnam saw 10 times the combat that the WW2 Infantry man did. A little more research and we found that WW2 vets in actual combat would probably be in 10 days of battle in a year. Only 10% of those in the military saw any action in WW2. In Vietnam, 60% would see combat and they would be in over 225 days of combat in a year.

I'm hearing that some of these ICU doctors and nurses are seeing 10 years worth of trauma and stress in a few months. They might get out of it when this is all said and done.
 
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