Is this for real? 9 ft to 16 ft 4-3/4" in 2 years? - Ian Northrup (Sugar Grove Berne Union)

JAVMAN83

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If this mark is for real, then young Mr. Northrup has made one of the most remarkable progressions in my 45+ years in the sport.

After vaulting 9 ft in 2021 as a soph, Ian is listed as clearing 16' 4-3/4" at Marietta's HS opener last weekend. Mind-blowing!!!
 

JAVMAN83

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It is incorrect, he went 10’ 7”. I contacted the meet manager but Milesplit has not made the change yet.
Thank you so much for the information. While it would've been wonderful to recognize such a performance by the young man, the magnitude of the performance jump in just two years, especially given his 110mH times from 2 years ago, raised major red flags with me given my historical database of a mind. Great job in tracking it down.

Regarding MileSplit, while they are one of the two major players in their field, they have their drawbacks. One major one with me with regard to them is in not distinguishing between Ohio-based athletes; i.e., those that are actual Ohio residents AND U.S. citizens, and those that are not. SPIRE Academy has had a number of athletes that are not U.S. nor Ohio residents competing for them. MileSplit has not made that differentiation as yet. I do for Ohio HS athletes. I don't want my lists containing foreign athletes that happen to be competing in Ohio for other than a HS-based team. U.S. citizens competing for a high school, or competing independtly for the themselves (via club or unattached) are also welcome. Therefore, when I look at lists like MileSplit & AthleticNet, I look at each athlete's competition background to see if they meet my criteria. I've come across maybe a dozen athletes over the years that I've not recognized based on those distinctions.

Another peeve (?) I have with MileSplit is that they do have athletes listed as Ohio athletes that are really from another state. I've come across that more than the situation with foreign athletes. It all goes to whatever algorithms they use to process meet data. I think that's where the human interface is needed in evaluating data properly, and where algorithms expose their weakness. It all goes back to your output is only as good as your input. Human screening of data is vital in producing as accurate and complete a body of work as possible.

Anyway, thanks again to running this situation down for the community!
 

CC Track Fan

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Thank you so much for the information. While it would've been wonderful to recognize such a performance by the young man, the magnitude of the performance jump in just two years, especially given his 110mH times from 2 years ago, raised major red flags with me given my historical database of a mind. Great job in tracking it down.

Regarding MileSplit, while they are one of the two major players in their field, they have their drawbacks. One major one with me with regard to them is in not distinguishing between Ohio-based athletes; i.e., those that are actual Ohio residents AND U.S. citizens, and those that are not. SPIRE Academy has had a number of athletes that are not U.S. nor Ohio residents competing for them. MileSplit has not made that differentiation as yet. I do for Ohio HS athletes. I don't want my lists containing foreign athletes that happen to be competing in Ohio for other than a HS-based team. U.S. citizens competing for a high school, or competing independtly for the themselves (via club or unattached) are also welcome. Therefore, when I look at lists like MileSplit & AthleticNet, I look at each athlete's competition background to see if they meet my criteria. I've come across maybe a dozen athletes over the years that I've not recognized based on those distinctions.

Another peeve (?) I have with MileSplit is that they do have athletes listed as Ohio athletes that are really from another state. I've come across that more than the situation with foreign athletes. It all goes to whatever algorithms they use to process meet data. I think that's where the human interface is needed in evaluating data properly, and where algorithms expose their weakness. It all goes back to your output is only as good as your input. Human screening of data is vital in producing as accurate and complete a body of work as possible.

Anyway, thanks again to running this situation down for the community!
What about the Michigan residents that go to Toledo private schools? I would guess this happens in other area's of the state. Do you consider them to be Ohio HS athletes?
 

lane4

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What about the Michigan residents that go to Toledo private schools? I would guess this happens in other area's of the state.

I know that St Xavier draws from Indiana and Kentucky(at least). I'm sure there's probably several other Cincinnati private schools that do as well.
 

JAVMAN83

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What about the Michigan residents that go to Toledo private schools? I would guess this happens in other area's of the state. Do you consider them to be Ohio HS athletes?
That's a difficult one. If they've been competing in the Michigan state tournament and not the Ohio state tournament (district/region/state), then I wouldn't count them. If they compete in the Ohio tournament for a school or private/parochial academy, then I would.

One well-known athlete, but little-known detail about him, is 1958 State Class AA and national record-setter Dave Mills (Lakewood). He was actually still a Canadian citizen throughout his HS years. His family had immigrated before his HS years. He became a U.S. citizen later in 1958. He has always been recognized as U.S.-based for his HS performances. I recognize it as well. He didn't compete for Canada.
 
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