Great News for a Mars Colony!

considering the thread we're on.... An ideology maybe curbs a wide spread innovation but anyone can beat anyone if the field is narrow enough. And frankly, they don't exactly hesitate to just steal it. Neither do the Chinese.

Ideology plays for them in this case. I see them less hesitant to run the super soldier implanting lab than our government or our industrial clients. The morality restrictions are not there as they are here.
 
The Chinese like the Soviets and every other communist state stole information and technology from the Western capitalist states. Absent capitalism, there would be no one to steal from.

I think it is a little naive to think the Chinese are more likely to create super soldiers than the US.
 
Crusaders said:
The Chinese like the Soviets and every other communist state stole information and technology from the Western capitalist states. Absent capitalism, there would be no one to steal from.

I think it is a little naive to think the Chinese are more likely to create super soldiers than the US.
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What experience do you have to determine naivety? (rhetorical) A couple of us on this thread were engineers involved in DoD and space programs. Hence our interest. Some of us have experience in Communist countries, read their research (we stole everything we could find too) and have seen first hand their capabilities. Russian love and capability in Math and CS is well known as is their willingness to curb moralities for mother country. Even the "naive" know this.

But your grand desire for a pizzing match isn't worth derailing the thread.

Little ol socialist Sweden actually leads the world on implant technology. Not us. Finland streets were full of people on their cells when I visited in 1983. We barely knew what a portable was in 1983. It's well known who developed space station and long stay technology and it wasn't us.

Culture and focus.
 
eastisbest said:
probably all happen quicker under that global communist order. they don't even consult FDA before getting rid of a political rival. I don't see anything keeping them from plugging in the populace.
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How did that work for the Soviet Union in the moon race?
 
My gut says that the advancement of implant, nano-biology, genetic manipulation and other innovations for changing/improving human beings will likely arise from medical research first and then be reapplied to space.

I suspect we are entering a period where space exploration will reap the rewards of advancement in other industries much like other industries benefited greatly from space exploration in the 1960's & 1970's.
 
lotr10 said:
How did that work for the Soviet Union in the moon race?
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#whatabout smh

How many details you want to putz and how many do you want to ignore?
ooh ooh how did that work for the Soviet Union in the space race? Uh, they won it? With inferior economics and apparently inferior social motivation because of their political system, they won it. Egg on our face?

They won the race for space stations. There's debate on how interested they actually were in the race for the moon but let's presume they were everybit as we were after Kennedy's proclamation. We weren't exactly all that interested in going back. Relative to putting living habitats into space, it was a glory prize. Little was learned as pertains to this thread. ;)

Political pressure against the space program when a cosmonaut dies? lol. Put them in an aluminum foil box circling the Earth, no biggy. Political pressure when an astronaut dies? Threatened to derail our program on several occasions. There are advantages to dictatorial systems when technology and morals clash. Simple lesson. Clearly supported by history. Nothing controversial and nothing to be taken as being superior.

Only you dogmatic bozos would complain when someone says an immoral system might have advantages when developing technology of moral ambiquity.

ooh ooh
 
eastisbest said:
#whatabout smh

How many details you want to putz and how many do you want to ignore?
ooh ooh how did that work for the Soviet Union in the space race? Uh, they won it? With inferior economics and apparently inferior social motivation because of their political system, they won it. Egg on our face?

They won the race for space stations. There's debate on how interested they actually were in the race for the moon but let's presume they were everybit as we were after Kennedy's proclamation. We weren't exactly all that interested in going back. Relative to putting living habitats into space, it was a glory prize. Little was learned as pertains to this thread. ;)

Political pressure against the space program when a cosmonaut dies? lol. Put them in an aluminum foil box circling the Earth, no biggy. Political pressure when an astronaut dies? Threatened to derail our program on several occasions. There are advantages to dictatorial systems when technology and morals clash. Simple lesson. Clearly supported by history. Nothing controversial and nothing to be taken as being superior.

Only you dogmatic bozos would complain when someone says an immoral system has advantages in developing technology of moral ambiquity.

ooh ooh
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I don't see moral ambiguity in improving human physiology through scientific innovation. It's not only inevitable but it's the right thing to do. That it can be abused does not change that fundamental truth.

I agree with Crusaders that communism is not able to support the innovation required to make it happen.

And for the record China is not communist. It has gone back to being what it was for thousands of years - an empire. Empires can and have been very innovative and they do possess advantages over democratic republics like our own.
 
Is reality real?

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New quantum paradox throws the foundations of observed reality into question

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Perhaps not, some say.
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Take a look at these three statements:
  • When someone observes an event happening, it really happened.
  • It is possible to make free choices, or at least, statistically random choices.
  • A choice made in one place can’t instantly affect a distant event. (Physicists call this “locality”.)
These are all intuitive ideas, and widely believed even by physicists. But our research, published in Nature Physics, shows they cannot all be true — or quantum mechanics itself must break down at some level.

Okay I'm sort of following them...............................

Although a conclusive test may be decades away, if the quantum mechanical predictions continue to hold, this has strong implications for our understanding of reality — even more so than the Bell correlations. For one, the correlations we discovered cannot be explained just by saying that physical properties don't exist until they are measured.

Now the absolute reality of measurement outcomes themselves is called into question.

Our results force physicists to deal with the measurement problem head on: either our experiment doesn't scale up, and quantum mechanics gives way to a so-called "objective collapse theory", or one of our three common-sense assumptions must be rejected.

Huh?
 
Mars and the moons of the Gas Giants aren't the only places we might find life in the solar system:

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Phosphine gas in the cloud decks of Venus - Nature Astronomy

The detection of ~20 ppb of phosphine in Venus clouds by observations in the millimetre-wavelength range from JCMT and ALMA is puzzling, because according to our knowledge of Venus, no phosphine should be there. As the most plausible formation paths do not work, the source could be unknown...
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Measurements of trace gases in planetary atmospheres help us explore chemical conditions different to those on Earth. Our nearest neighbour, Venus, has cloud decks that are temperate but hyperacidic. Here we report the apparent presence of phosphine (PH3) gas in Venus’s atmosphere, where any phosphorus should be in oxidized forms. Single-line millimetre-waveband spectral detections (quality up to ~15σ) from the JCMT and ALMA telescopes have no other plausible identification. Atmospheric PH3 at ~20 ppb abundance is inferred. The presence of PH3 is unexplained after exhaustive study of steady-state chemistry and photochemical pathways, with no currently known abiotic production routes in Venus’s atmosphere, clouds, surface and subsurface, or from lightning, volcanic or meteoritic delivery. PH3 could originate from unknown photochemistry or geochemistry, or, by analogy with biological production of PH3 on Earth, from the presence of life. Other PH3 spectral features should be sought, while in situ cloud and surface sampling could examine sources of this gas.
 
Jeez, they did this 50 years ago. A nerdy kid with an off-the-shelf drone and some scuba gear could make the trip. Why is NASA continually so slow on this. Landing shouldn't even be in the discussion. Populated and functioning base or forget it. If they're not even considering first birth on the moon or deep space launch platform, it's just not worth it. Let the travel agencies have the moon and get on toward Mars and deep space.
 
eastisbest said:
Jeez, they did this 50 years ago. A nerdy kid with an off-the-shelf drone and some scuba gear could make the trip. Why is NASA continually so slow on this. Landing shouldn't even be in the discussion. Populated and functioning base or forget it. If they're not even considering first birth on the moon or deep space launch platform, it's just not worth it. Let the travel agencies have the moon and get on toward Mars and deep space.
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This is the first step to building a moon base. It will need to be located near the water supply and this mission will be designed primarily to investigate the water sources.

I liken a second moon trip to rehab after orthopedic surgery. Our space program atrophied a bit after the moon landings. Now we have to get it back into gear and what better way then to repeat something we've already done. It's like after an athlete tears their ACL they make sure they can walk before running full speed.
 
As I said, functioning base or forget it.
lotr10 said:
It's like after an athlete tears their ACL they make sure they can walk before running full speed.
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1960s are calling. Women giving birth barely get out the car these days. Dad just drives around the rotary at the entrance. Need your hip replaced? The only way you're getting any green jello with fake pineapple bits is in a to-go box.
 
To really succeed in space we're going to have to make it economically attractive to investors to risk their capital.

spacenews.com

Op-ed | Celestial property rights: How we can achieve a new, commerce-fueled space age

Op-ed | Celestial property rights: How we can achieve a new, commerce-fueled space age
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Nevertheless, the playing field has changed. Governments previously were the key players in space. In the near future those players will be private actors, with governments becoming referees. This should be celebrated, not feared. Commerce will be the engine that propels us into the final frontier. Human enrichment and mass flourishing will be the result.
 
Water on Mars: discovery of three buried lakes intrigues scientists
Researchers say they have detected a group of lakes hidden under the red planet’s icy surface.

Two years ago, planetary scientists reported the discovery of a large saltwater lake under the ice at Mars’s south pole, a finding that was met with excitement and some scepticism. Now, researchers say they’ve confirmed the presence of that lake — and found three more.

The discovery, reported on 28 September in Nature Astronomy1, was made using radar data from the European Space Agency’s (ESA) orbiting Mars Express spacecraft. It follows the detection of a single subsurface lake in the same region in 2018 — which, if confirmed, would be the first body of liquid water ever detected on the red planet and a possible habitat for life. But that finding was based on just 29 observations made from 2012 to 2015, and many researchers said they needed more evidence to support the claim. The latest study used a broader data set comprising 134 observations from between 2012 and 2019.
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Water on Mars: discovery of three buried lakes intrigues scientists

Researchers have detected a group of lakes hidden under the red planet’s icy surface.
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Now this is exciting:

nypost.com

These 24 planets may be more ‘habitable’ than Earth, astronomers say

Astronomers have discovered two dozen planets, all more than 100 light-years away, that are perfectly capable of sustaining human life as 2020 continues to rear its ugly head in our end of space.
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Astronomers have discovered two dozen planets, all more than 100 light-years away, that are perfectly capable of sustaining human life as 2020 continues to rear its ugly head in our end of space.

These “super-habitable” worlds are older, bigger, warmer and have more moisture than Earth, according to the study, led by Washington State University geobiologist Dirk Schulze-Makuch and published in the journal Astrobiology.
 
lotr10 said:
Now this is exciting:

nypost.com

These 24 planets may be more ‘habitable’ than Earth, astronomers say

Astronomers have discovered two dozen planets, all more than 100 light-years away, that are perfectly capable of sustaining human life as 2020 continues to rear its ugly head in our end of space.
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Astronomers have discovered two dozen planets, all more than 100 light-years away, that are perfectly capable of sustaining human life as 2020 continues to rear its ugly head in our end of space.

These “super-habitable” worlds are older, bigger, warmer and have more moisture than Earth, according to the study, led by Washington State University geobiologist Dirk Schulze-Makuch and published in the journal Astrobiology.
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Pretty amazing stuff. We're finding out more everyday. Just 25-30 years ago, scientists hadn't confirmed a single planet outside our solar system. Now it's over 4,000 and counting. How many have life? And, do we really want to meet them? Probably not.
 
BlackHawk said:
Pretty amazing stuff. We're finding out more everyday. Just 25-30 years ago, scientists hadn't confirmed a single planet outside our solar system. Now it's over 4,000 and counting. How many have life? And, do we really want to meet them? Probably not.
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Hell yea we would. Worse case scenario they eat us which is probably still better then dying from covid.

Like you point out there was real scientific debate about whether planets even existed outside our solar system as recently as the 1970's. The argument was that the celestial mechanics needed to make planets was very rare. Now we know that planets are common and it's likely that life beyond our solar system is common to.
 
Wow Saturn can do STORMS:

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New 3-D model could explain the formation of a hexagon storm on Saturn

With its dazzling system of icy rings, Saturn has been a subject of fascination since ancient times. Even now the sixth planet from the sun holds many mysteries, partly because its distance away makes direct observation difficult and partly because this gas giant (which is multiple times the...
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One of Saturn's mysteries involves the massive storm in the shape of a hexagon at its north pole. The six-sided vortex is an atmospheric phenomenon that has been fascinating planetary scientists since its discovery in the 1980s by the American Voyager program, and the subsequent visit in 2006 by the U.S.-European Cassini-Huygens mission. The storm is about 20,000 miles in diameter and is bordered by bands of winds blowing up to 300 miles per hour. A hurricane like it doesn't exist on any other known planet or moon.
 
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