GMC 23-24

JBaller said:
I thought Fairfield was quite a bit better than Elder last year and they still lost to them. Fairfield brings a lot of talent back but is still pretty young. Elder can get the win tonight running good offense and getting their rotations tonight. Hard to see either team running away with this.
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You were dead on.

If you look at Eler's box score, you would think there's no way they won this game. But they just grind, execute and play good D.
 
Mason annihilated Taft tonight 80-58. Very unexpected. Did Taft lose a lot from last year? Or was Mason that good tonight?
 
jdizzle said:
Why is Middletown playing so many cupcakes? Edgewood is in the SWBL and Northridge was in the SWBL not long ago. This same discussion happened last year…
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I think Edgewood was a 2 year home / away deal… probably just playing local schools. They also play Fenwick again. The Northridge game is taking the place of the Lima Sr. game that got cancelled.
 
Tuesday, December 5, 2023
Colerain at Edgewood
Fairfield at La Salle
St. Xavier at Mason
Princeton at Moeller
Northwest at Oak Hills
Lakota West at Withrow

Friday, December 8, 2023
Mason at Hamilton
Princeton at Lakota East
Colerain at Lakota West
Middletown at Oak Hills
Fairfield at Sycamore

Tuesday night non-conference slate followed by the first league night of the year. Several intriguing non-conference matchups on Tuesday. Can Fairfield bounce back against another GCL team? Will Mason show they're for real against X? What does Princeton look like in their opener against an improved Moeller who they blasted twice last year? What do Lakota West's young guys look like against a decent team in Withrow? Another win for Colerain? Oak Hills starting off strong?
 
GreenandBluePride said:
As I have said before, Elder is going to be much better this season than many expect.
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I don't know. They got Fairfield early, but I think they're going to have their hands full in the GCL. They have a pretty tough schedule as well. I can see them in the 13-9 range. Their depth will be exposed at some point.

Same with football, they have a limited number of guys that can beat you, and at some point, coaches are going to take that away.

They should beat Cooper, who is their next game, but I bet it's close. Cooper has a couple college level players on their roster, and always play a competitive style of ball.

Outside of the GCL, they could lose to:
IMG Academy
St Charles Prep
NCC
Anderson
Wayne
Fairmont
Wyoming
 
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Doublehelix said:
I don't know. They got Fairfield early, but I think they're going to have their hands full in the GCL. They have a pretty tough schedule as well. I can see them in the 13-9 range. Their depth will be exposed at some point.

Same with football, they have a limited number of guys that can beat you, and at some point, coaches are going to take that away.

They should beat Cooper, who is their next game, but I bet it's close. Cooper has a couple college level players on their roster, and always play a competitive style of ball.

Outside of the GCL, they could lose to:
IMG Academy
St Charles Prep
NCC
Anderson
Wayne
Fairmont
Wyoming
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I don't think Elder is as good as they were last year for sure. I mean, they were a regional semifinalist. That ain't nothing. This year in the GCL-S, X, Moeller, and Lasalle all brought a lot back while Elder really didn't. I still think Elder is at least better than Lasalle (they were absolutely the worst GCL-S team last year by a wide margin despite sharing the league title), and you never know how GCL-S league games are going to go with massive home court advantages and screwy low-scoring games. They may still be better than Moeller and X too as I think Elder is better in the backcourt than both those teams. I still see them winning at least 15 games. 16-6 or thereabouts and maybe the #4 seed in Cincinnati feels about right.

Regarding Elder's good players, you're exactly right. I think Murphy, Johnson, and Williams are those guys and that's it. However, I've seen really good teams have 2-3 players that can score and a rotating cast of 4-5 good athletes that can get after it defensively, set screens, and are self-aware enough to not shoot the ball. That could be Elder this year.
 
JBaller said:
I don't think Elder is as good as they were last year for sure. I mean, they were a regional semifinalist. That ain't nothing. This year in the GCL-S, X, Moeller, and Lasalle all brought a lot back while Elder really didn't. I still think Elder is at least better than Lasalle (they were absolutely the worst GCL-S team last year by a wide margin despite sharing the league title), and you never know how GCL-S league games are going to go with massive home court advantages and screwy low-scoring games. They may still be better than Moeller and X too as I think Elder is better in the backcourt than both those teams. I still see them winning at least 15 games. 16-6 or thereabouts and maybe the #4 seed in Cincinnati feels about right.

Regarding Elder's good players, you're exactly right. I think Murphy, Johnson, and Williams are those guys and that's it. However, I've seen really good teams have 2-3 players that can score and a rotating cast of 4-5 good athletes that can get after it defensively, set screens, and are self-aware enough to not shoot the ball. That could be Elder this year.
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Fair assessment.

They don't particularly shoot the ball well, so that would be my deciding factor. The GCL will be very close this year, but I'd put E at the bottom of a tight race because of their poor perimeter shooting.

The 3 players you mention have scored like 88% of their points in two games and 100% of their made 3s (and not at a high percentage). That's not sustainable when good coaches target your best players, which they will. Last year's team had multiple role/bench players that could score a little.

But you're right, I've also seen them win a bunch of 44-41 games. They don't have any reinforcements coming either as their JV team is very weak. They do have some promising freshman but not sure they can contribute on the varsity level just yet. Many of those JV kids will get lapped by several of the freshman players.
 
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Moeller beats Princeton
X beats Mason
LaSalle beats Fairfield

While these are early season results and mean very little in the long run, they do impact tournament slotting.

Lots of basketball left to be played, but when comparing similar teams, the GCL should get the nod over the GMC based on these head to head results.
 
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PURPLE REIGN said:
Moeller beats Princeton
X beats Mason
LaSalle beats Fairfield

While these are early season results and mean very little in the long run, they do impact tournament slotting.

Lots of basketball left to be played, but when comparing similar teams, the GCL should get the nod over the GMC based on these head to head results.
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And Elder beat Fairfield (last week).

GCL is going to be a dogfight this year. Moe, X, and LaSalle all vastly improved from last year.
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
Moeller beats Princeton
X beats Mason
LaSalle beats Fairfield

While these are early season results and mean very little in the long run, they do impact tournament slotting.

Lots of basketball left to be played, but when comparing similar teams, the GCL should get the nod over the GMC based on these head to head results.
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There is no nod this year. All seeding done via max preps rankings.
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
When comparing teams, does head to head results not matter?
Anyone know the Max Preps Criteria? Do they publish ongoing rankings each week?
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It seems like they are going to update them weekly. In realty, the rankings wouldn't have changed that much. These were the top 7 tournament seeds last year:

1. Fairfield
2. Elder
3. Moeller
4. Sycamore
5. Princeton
6. Mason
7. Anderson

These were the top 7 Maxpreps teams from last year:

1. Fairfield
2. Elder
3. Moeller
4. Princeton
5. Sycamore
6. Anderson
7. Mason

Only difference is Sycamore-Princeton swapping 4-5 and Mason-Anderson swapping 6-7. Nobody would have had any issues with that.
 
cincyhoops said:
There is no nod this year. All seeding done via max preps rankings.
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GCL head-to-head wins over the GMC is going to matter though in the power rating, especially since Fairfield, Lakota East, Princeton, and Mason are all likely top half GMC teams and they are now a collective 0-5 against the GCL. Only 8 more GMC-GCL games this year. Short of the GCL bleeding non-conference losses to mediocre teams elsewhere, the GCL is already going to be in the driver's seat for the top seeds by the Maxpreps algorithm.
 
JBaller said:
GCL head-to-head wins over the GMC is going to matter though in the power rating, especially since Fairfield, Lakota East, Princeton, and Mason are all likely top half GMC teams and they are now a collective 0-5 against the GCL. Only 8 more GMC-GCL games this year. Short of the GCL bleeding non-conference losses to mediocre teams elsewhere, the GCL is already going to be in the driver's seat for the top seeds by the Maxpreps algorithm.
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My point was when someone says “gets the nod” it sounds like there is a human element to choosing which team or league is the best. It’s all going to be decided by a computer formula.
 
I think Princeton will struggle early with missing key players like Cass, Kieran, and Dorian Williams who I think there is a small chance he plays this year. Losing by 10 on the road to an pretty good Moeller team with key players out could be a sign that once they get healthy, they could be very competitive
 
Vike16 said:
I think Princeton will struggle early with missing key players like Cass, Kieran, and Dorian Williams who I think there is a small chance he plays this year. Losing by 10 on the road to an pretty good Moeller team with key players out could be a sign that once they get healthy, they could be very competitive
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Moeller was missing two starters and 4 total players.
 
Vike16 said:
I think Princeton will struggle early with missing key players like Cass, Kieran, and Dorian Williams who I think there is a small chance he plays this year. Losing by 10 on the road to an pretty good Moeller team with key players out could be a sign that once they get healthy, they could be very competitive
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Still pretty confident Dorian Williams is not able to come back for this basketball season, although I do seem him listed on the roster now.
 
Vike16 said:
I think Princeton will struggle early with missing key players like Cass, Kieran, and Dorian Williams who I think there is a small chance he plays this year. Losing by 10 on the road to an pretty good Moeller team with key players out could be a sign that once they get healthy, they could be very competitive
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Thats three starters thats not bad to go into moeller and only lose by 10
 
JBaller said:
Still pretty confident Dorian Williams is not able to come back for this basketball season, although I do seem him listed on the roster now.
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I definitely think he will not play this season, but players are healing faster these days
 
Starting off GMC play tonight with a big one! Fairfield at Sycamore. I like Sycamore's chances here while Fairfield is still figuring things out. Sycamore can absolutely get after it defensively and they are stylistically very much like a GCL-S team, and Fairfield just went 0-2 against the GCL-S. Still think both teams are league title contenders, but they'll find out a lot tonight.
 
Vike16 said:
I think Princeton will struggle early with missing key players like Cass, Kieran, and Dorian Williams who I think there is a small chance he plays this year. Losing by 10 on the road to an pretty good Moeller team with key players out could be a sign that once they get healthy, they could be very competitive
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What happened to Cass?? He is a solid guard for them!!
 
Just watched East/Princeton tonight. First time seeing both teams. I think this might be the worse East team I've seen in about 10 years. They have 2 maybe even 3 guys starting that in normal years they would be coming off the bench getting sporadic minutes, and they have zero bench to go along with it.
 
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