I have no idea what this guy is trying to claim.Interesting take on excess deaths by the EthicalSkeptic:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321512633200218113
I ran a scenario: added in 17/18 flu season & then grew the anticipated deaths to 2020, using the ann growth rate in deaths-US (higher than population growth because of age dist) = Same result. These people in the media running death rates are lying to you about excess deaths.
Check out the graph at the link.
Just providing a public service. A lot of people here were making the argument for months that the overall death numbers this year were not only NOT going up but where actually going down compared to last year. Just last week ITRW, I had somebody going on about how COVID was all made up and deaths were down 300,000 from last year.
A lot of people here were making the argument for months that the overall death numbers this year were not only NOT going up but where actually going down compared to last year.
Interesting how cases have gone up drastically yet deaths have gone down.
Their is no doubt doctors on the local level are figuring out how to treat the virus better, while at the national level the " experts "just keep pontificating their political agenda and don't have a clue on how to treat the virus.Interesting how cases have gone up drastically yet deaths have gone down.
Is the virus more contagious yet less lethal now than last spring? Or is the treatment better?
Haven’t had ANY deaths since May where I work, have not even had any bad symptoms for the infected we have been treating ??Interesting how cases have gone up drastically yet deaths have gone down.
Is the virus more contagious yet less lethal now than last spring? Or is the treatment better?
The last graph I looked at was interesting. The Hospital admittance, ICU and death lines didn’t follow the Positive rate for virus. We are testing so many more, so positivity rate will out pace the other data points. But, why aren't the news conferences educating with numbers? Why?Interesting how cases have gone up drastically yet deaths have gone down.
Is the virus more contagious yet less lethal now than last spring? Or is the treatment better?
The number you test shouldn’t influence the positivity rate. Certainly, not in the direction you think it would.We are testing so many more, so positivity rate will out pace the other data points.
The numbers are from the CDC website.Where are you getting these numbers? Does it breakdown numbers by expected suicides, expected heart attacks, etc?
Thanks.
The numbers are from the CDC website.
I'm not sure if what you're asking for is available at this time.
Here's an article that touches on other causes of death relative to COVID.
COVID-19 Is Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.
It kills more people than the flu, contrary to Trump’s claims, and also surpasses stroke, Alzheimer’s and diabeteswww.scientificamerican.com
The 90K+ difference is explained by the CDC coming up with a fake expected deaths number. Add about 2000 deaths to each week they calculate to come up with a real expected death number. TEN years in a row the number of deaths went up in the United States. In 2020, the CDC made a ridiculous calculation that said deaths would go down this year. CDC's expected death numbers are a fraud.Thanks.
Also from the CDC website:
This might explain the 90K+ difference between covid deaths and excess deaths.
We've gone over all of this before. You're quibbling about the numbers at the margins. Even at what you would consider a more realistic estimate for 2020, we're still going to blow past that number by about 400,000. And that's if we don't see another extended, elevated increase in COVID deaths the last two months.The 90K+ difference is explained by the CDC coming up with a fake expected deaths number. Add about 2000 deaths to each week they calculate to come up with a real expected death number. TEN years in a row the number of deaths went up in the United States. In 2020, the CDC made a ridiculous calculation that said deaths would go down this year. CDC's expected death numbers are a fraud.
It's not quibbling. You made the first post in this thread claiming that excess deaths equate to undercounting Covid-19 deaths. This was your post:We've gone over all of this before. You're quibbling about the numbers at the margins. Even at what you would consider a more realistic estimate for 2020, we're still going to blow past that number by about 400,000. And that's if we don't see another extended, elevated increase in COVID deaths the last two months.
This isn't likely to be true when the numbers are all in. Death numbers lag up to a couple of months. I expect the excess deaths in every month will exceed the number of COVID deaths.Even with that, the most recent couple of months indicate that Covid-19 deaths are starting to exceed excess deaths.
Pretty much false across the board.I find it interesting that all the Lefties on here want to blame all deaths on COVID19. I have a sister-in-law that works in the medical field and she's seen the tables and reports and basically they are lumping flu, accidents and everything else into COVID19 deaths list. The numbers are a joke. You can put together all the tables you want but the bottom line this is political and financial. Hospitals are still getting "bonuses" by claiming a death is due to COVID19. COCVID19 does exist but it is a huge experiment in how to control the masses and the masses are failing big time with how easily they are falling into the fear of COVID19.
Just looking at your September 12th data. Using a real expected deaths number, the excess deaths are 3653. Covid-19 deaths are listed at 4333. From that date forward, it looks like Covid-19 deaths may outperform excess deaths. Of course, the "experts" will continue to use the fraudulent CDC expected deaths to make their numbers look better.This isn't likely to be true when the numbers are all in. Death numbers lag up to a couple of months. I expect the excess deaths in every month will exceed the number of COVID deaths.
Not going down this road with you again. Even with your "real" number, we're going to be about 400k above expected for the year.From that date forward, it looks like excess deaths may outperform Covid-19.
They got it under control pretty quickly the first time. I have more confidence in them doing so again than I do of the US doing so.
FWIW, Europe's overall numbers are still far better the US.
Right now, we are at about 240,000 above real expectations using your data. The first 3+ weeks of the year that are excluded from this data was actually a negative number. You really think we are going to add 160,000+ excess deaths in the next 2 months?Not going down this road with you again. Even with your "real" number, we're going to be about 400k above expected for the year.
Not going down this road with you again. Even with your "real" number, we're going to be about 400k above expected for the year.