Elder vs. Lakota West

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ElderHSfan02

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In Round 1,
Elder beat Oak Hills 28-14.
Lakota West beat West Hi 69-0.

Elder will have to travel to Lakota West in Round 2. Let's hope Elder brings a big crowd.

Lakota West is 9-2 on the season. They started out 0-2 after losses to St. Xavier 10-0 and Princeton 18-3. Since then, the offense has come together and the defense has been very tough for offenses to score on. They have won 9 straight.

Elder is probably a 7 point underdog in this matchup, but I will take Elder 17 Lakota West 14 to pull the upset.
 
 
vonnie said:
How do you score 69 points with a running clock? What is the most points Elder has ever scored?
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West Hi could not do anything offensively and it looked like they did not want to make any tackles. West Hi should somehow try to petition to a lower Division.
West Hi 3 and out, short punt. LW short field. LW score in 3-4 plays. Repeat.

Lakota West scored touchdowns on 9 of the 29 plays they ran.
 
For Elder to win, the offensive line, TE, FB is the key. They need to overpower LW. The DT Davis is a load at 260, but the rest of the front 7 is not overly big. 2.5 yards a carry will get you a 1st down. Elder needs to match LW confidence and believe they can win.
 
I think West wins probably pretty handily. The QB run will not be as effective vs a stout front 7. And while West doesn’t have the superstar Secondary they did last yr, their Corners are still good enough to lock up Elder’s WRs in Man Cvg.
 
Omar said:
I think West wins probably pretty handily. The QB run will not be as effective vs a stout front 7. And while West doesn’t have the superstar Secondary they did last yr, their Corners are still good enough to lock up Elder’s WRs in Man Cvg.
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Of course you do…

You also said Elder would get turbo clocked against Ed’s.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
For Elder to win, the offensive line, TE, FB is the key. They need to overpower LW. The DT Davis is a load at 260, but the rest of the front 7 is not overly big. 2.5 yards a carry will get you a 1st down. Elder needs to match LW confidence and believe they can win.
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They look to be pretty thick up front. I don’t know exact sizes or the validity of Maxpreps but the site has them listed as the following:

Elijah Davis - 6’1 285 lbs
Jonas Griffith - 6’0 296 lbs
Gabriel Flores - 6’2 241 lbs

Cam Thomas 6’0 200 lbs (Looks slightly smaller than 200 lbs more like 190 range)
Grant Beerman 6’4 210 lbs
Micah Markley 6’1 205 lbs (More like 6’0 220 lbs)
Jacob Asbeck 6’1 185 lbs (Would assume 205)

Definitely not massive but I would say pretty decent size for a Linebacking core at this level. I think there is only 1 senior as well.
 
Wolverines698 said:
They look to be pretty thick up front. I don’t know exact sizes or the validity of Maxpreps but the site has them listed as the following:

Elijah Davis - 6’1 285 lbs
Jonas Griffith - 6’0 296 lbs
Gabriel Flores - 6’2 241 lbs

Cam Thomas 6’0 200 lbs (Looks slightly smaller than 200 lbs more like 190 range)
Grant Beerman 6’4 210 lbs
Micah Markley 6’1 205 lbs (More like 6’0 220 lbs)
Jacob Asbeck 6’1 185 lbs (Would assume 205)

Definitely not massive but I would say pretty decent size for a Linebacking core at this level. I think there is only 1 senior as well.
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Their D has been lights out all year, it’s the Offense that held them back. At first they tried starting the Frosh QB, but he wasn’t ready and they look to have gone with the Jr to steady things out.

Elder will have to throw the ball to have any chance. Running Brass up the middle vs this D will not work
 
Misdirection. Trick Plays. RPOs. Screens. Rub routes against their man coverage. It's going to be a field position game. Brass has to have a good internal clock as well, can't take big losses on sacks in the pass game. When you have chances to pin them deep, do it. Defensively, Elder needs to limit the big plays. Make this a game in the teens, if it gets into the 20s it likely won't be in Elder's favor.

I will say, X beat this West team in Week 1, scoring 14. Elder has a better offense than X.
 
adselder09 said:
Misdirection. Trick Plays. RPOs. Screens. Rub routes against their man coverage. It's going to be a field position game. Brass has to have a good internal clock as well, can't take big losses on sacks in the pass game. When you have chances to pin them deep, do it. Defensively, Elder needs to limit the big plays. Make this a game in the teens, if it gets into the 20s it likely won't be in Elder's favor.

I will say, X beat this West team in Week 1, scoring 14. Elder has a better offense than X.
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I am encouraged the way Thaman ran against Oak Hills. He opened up the threat ot the RPO. Definetly good to see going into this next game.
 
adselder09 said:
Misdirection. Trick Plays. RPOs. Screens. Rub routes against their man coverage. It's going to be a field position game. Brass has to have a good internal clock as well, can't take big losses on sacks in the pass game. When you have chances to pin them deep, do it. Defensively, Elder needs to limit the big plays. Make this a game in the teens, if it gets into the 20s it likely won't be in Elder's favor.

I will say, X beat this West team in Week 1, scoring 14. Elder has a better offense than X.
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I agree with everything except the last point. Week 1 was forever ago and West’s Frosh QB threw 3 or 4 picks.
 
I would hope that a major focus for this week is Specials. Make sure you have the right guys personnel on field and execute every play. Smart decision making by the coaches and make this a priority this week to get the panthers in the right situations
 
adselder09 said:
Misdirection. Trick Plays. RPOs. Screens. Rub routes against their man coverage. It's going to be a field position game. Brass has to have a good internal clock as well, can't take big losses on sacks in the pass game. When you have chances to pin them deep, do it. Defensively, Elder needs to limit the big plays. Make this a game in the teens, if it gets into the 20s it likely won't be in Elder's favor.
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I agree here, but Elder has to go north and south. They do not have the speed to go East/West against a team like LW.

My concern is Ramsey knew all of this last year and did not adjust the Elder offense against West. Or if he did, it didn't work.
 
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Going to be a tough game for the Panthers. Unless they can open up the passing game and not rely so much on Brass running the ball I don't see them having much success against West.
 
Wolverines698 said:
They look to be pretty thick up front. I don’t know exact sizes or the validity of Maxpreps but the site has them listed as the following:

Elijah Davis - 6’1 285 lbs
Jonas Griffith - 6’0 296 lbs
Gabriel Flores - 6’2 241 lbs

Cam Thomas 6’0 200 lbs (Looks slightly smaller than 200 lbs more like 190 range)
Grant Beerman 6’4 210 lbs
Micah Markley 6’1 205 lbs (More like 6’0 220 lbs)
Jacob Asbeck 6’1 185 lbs (Would assume 205)

Definitely not massive but I would say pretty decent size for a Linebacking core at this level. I think there is only 1 senior as well.
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Griffith doesn't look 296 to me and Flores looks closer to 200 to me. I could definitely be wrong. This is what I have going off their roster on gmcsports.com. 7 senior starters

LT #9 DT Gabe Flores 6'0 190 SR
NG #72 Jonas Griffith 5'11 240 SR
RT #7 DT #7 Elijah Davis 6'2 260 SR
#0 DaVeon McCoy 6'1 194 (Edge rusher on passing downs)
OLB #11 #11 Jacob Asbeck 5'11 180 SR
LB #33 Grant Beerman 6'4 190 JR
LB #44 Micah Markley 6'1 215 JR
OLB #8 Cam Thomas 6'1 187 SO

CB #2 Bukari Miles 6'0 180 SR
S #3 Taebron Bennie-Powell 6'2 180 SR
S #20 Finn Mason 5'9 168 JR
CB #5 Drew Minich 6'2 180 SR
 
Omar said:
I agree with everything except the last point. Week 1 was forever ago and West’s Frosh QB threw 3 or 4 picks.
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I wasn't speaking to LWs offense. I was speaking to Xs offense and their ability to score on West. And that was all before they went to the old school offense.
 
E82 said:
Going to be a tough game for the Panthers. Unless they can open up the passing game and not rely so much on Brass running the ball I don't see them having much success against West.
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I understand the doubt considering how good Lakota West has been the last 3 seasons. I think this is an oddly good matchup for Elder. LW offense is average, and Elder can hopefully be just good enough on defense to hold them to 14-17 points. Elder's strong offensive line can hopefully get a push on LW strong front to establish a run game. It will be tough for Elder's WRs to get open against a really good LW secondary, but Ramsey will know what plays they can hit and take their shots when needed.

Elder's defensive line needs to take control of this game. LW had to replace 4 starters on the oline from last year. Elder needs to bottle up the running backs before they get moving or they will be break a couple long ones.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
I understand the doubt considering how good Lakota West has been the last 3 seasons. I think this is an oddly good matchup for Elder. LW offense is average, and Elder can hopefully be just good enough on defense to hold them to 14-17 points. Elder's strong offensive line can hopefully get a push on LW strong front to establish a run game. It will be tough for Elder's WRs to get open against a really good LW secondary, but Ramsey will know what plays they can hit and take their shots when needed.

Elder's defensive line needs to take control of this game. LW had to replace 4 starters on the oline from last year. Elder needs to bottle up the running backs before they get moving or they will be break a couple long ones.
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I wish I shared your enthusiasm regarding Ramsey. What I've noticed this season (and the past few seasons) is that if the passing game or running game aren't working he begins to rely exclusively on his QB running the ball. I don't think that will work against West. I hope I'm wrong, but if Elder can't stretch the field a bit throwing the ball I think it's going to be a rough evening for the offense.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
Griffith doesn't look 296 to me and Flores looks closer to 200 to me. I could definitely be wrong. This is what I have going off their roster on gmcsports.com. 7 senior starters

LT #9 DT Gabe Flores 6'0 190 SR
NG #72 Jonas Griffith 5'11 240 SR
RT #7 DT #7 Elijah Davis 6'2 260 SR
#0 DaVeon McCoy 6'1 194 (Edge rusher on passing downs)
OLB #11 #11 Jacob Asbeck 5'11 180 SR
LB #33 Grant Beerman 6'4 190 JR
LB #44 Micah Markley 6'1 215 JR
OLB #8 Cam Thomas 6'1 187 SO

CB #2 Bukari Miles 6'0 180 SR
S #3 Taebron Bennie-Powell 6'2 180 SR
S #20 Finn Mason 5'9 168 JR
CB #5 Drew Minich 6'2 180 SR
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I could be wrong, Griffith just looks massive not necessarily in height but width on the streams.

Also I was only pointing out that there is 1 senior in the linebacking core.
 
E82 said:
I wish I shared your enthusiasm regarding Ramsey. What I've noticed this season (and the past few seasons) is that if the passing game or running game aren't working he begins to rely exclusively on his QB running the ball. I don't think that will work against West. I hope I'm wrong, but if Elder can't stretch the field a bit throwing the ball I think it's going to be a rough evening for the offense.
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I agree with this, that’s why I’ve been wanting them to open the Offense more. The game plan vs Eds was excellent and that was a mix of throwing the ball with QB runs.
 
E82 said:
I wish I shared your enthusiasm regarding Ramsey. What I've noticed this season (and the past few seasons) is that if the passing game or running game aren't working he begins to rely exclusively on his QB running the ball. I don't think that will work against West. I hope I'm wrong, but if Elder can't stretch the field a bit throwing the ball I think it's going to be a rough evening for the offense.
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Catch West in a cover 0 blitz and I think Ramsey will find a matchup to exploit.
 
Omar said:
Why would they do that if they think their Corners can handle Elder’s WRs in Man?
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Well Cover 0 is man. And because West is pretty aggressive on the defensive side.

Offensively that's what Elder needs to do. Hit them early and often with some quick passes to mix with the running game. Force West to bring more numbers into the box or close to the LOS, possibly in a 0 look and take your shots. Maybe you hit one or two. Maybe you get a PI call.
 
adselder09 said:
Well Cover 0 is man. And because West is pretty aggressive on the defensive side.

Offensively that's what Elder needs to do. Hit them early and often with some quick passes to mix with the running game. Force West to bring more numbers into the box or close to the LOS, possibly in a 0 look and take your shots. Maybe you hit one or two. Maybe you get a PI call.
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But there’s no reason to bring pressure if you think your Corners can hold up in Man. It’s a completely unnecessary risk. You can rush 4 all game and get pressure if the Receivers can’t get open. That’s exactly what happened last yr
 
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