Dublin Coffman Rocks 2021

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thisisinsane said:
I apologize, and I’m not trying to denigrate the current program. However, the digs at the past from AHM are subtle, just trying to elicit a response from Harry or me.

I know many former Rocks that also don’t appreciate how the staff has basically admonished them for being “soft” and not doing it the “right” way. It’s simply not true and hurts the program in my opinion. I would want guys like the Stoudts, McCollums, Stoneburner’s, Buehlers etc. to be around my program moving forward. I wouldn’t think alienating the from their program, they helped build, is the right move. Maybe it’s just me.??‍♂️
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I understand where your coming from…..shouldn’t have responded the way i did myself……..my apologies to you…..I think many are frustrated…just want a great experience for the kids and it is hard to hear what sounds like (doesn’t mean it is the case in reality) that ppl aren’t behind them…..your points are made well and it sounds like they need to be some smoothing over and hard looks in the mirror to get this thing where it needs to be- want to apologize again,…I get where your head is at And lot of me doesn’t blame you and others.
 
nelmo said:
Harry - meant 4-4 in the other games, not the conference. My apologies.

And yes, Minster beat some good teams on the way to state titles. Have to beat good teams along the way, even with 7 divisions. But Stokes was 2-14 against Marion Local and Coldwater. Being the 3rd best MAC team gives you a shot at a state title as long as the top 2 are in other divisions. Being the 3rd best OCC team MAY get you to a regional final. That's why it was low rent for Stokes to take veiled shots at Crabtree's playoff record. Crabtree didn't have the benefit of avoiding Brian White in the playoffs like Stokes did avoiding Tim Goodwin.
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Crabtree was 2-3 vs White in the play-offs, and White derailed Coffman's chances for a run a few times no question including the two title years where Coffman was real close to them losing to them in R-Finals the bigger difference was the FACT that there is just more really good teams in D-1 to get by with greater talent advantages in many years that Coffman had to go against than your typical D-6 or D-7 run.
 
Harrycrane said:
Crabtree was 2-3 vs White in the play-offs, and White derailed Coffman's chances for a run a few times no question including the two title years where Coffman was real close to them losing to them in R-Finals the bigger difference was the FACT that there is just more really good teams in D-1 to get by with greater talent advantages in many years that Coffman had to go against than your typical D-6 or D-7 run.
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HC I agree with much of what you share and predict and opine on but this makes no sense to me…..downgrading or slamming stokes via HD and White besting Crabtree 3-2 times and then strangely throwing in “there’s better talent in d1” …. Ok so HD had better talent than Dc? That’s your example? …… or you threw that in there for what reason? …… seems pointless and again another dumb$ reason / means to take a shot at stokes …… I think a lot of dc fans and families over the years myself included are having there feelings hurt and don’t know how to handle it other than trying to tear something down….this was a bad bad bad bad post…..unbecoming of you Harry……looking forward to your betting suggestions for tomorrow’s games….but this is a bad HS football take…::clearly biased ….no way around it…..no way
 
Ken Cosgrove said:
HC I agree with much of what you share and predict and opine on but this makes no sense to me…..downgrading or slamming stokes via HD and White besting Crabtree 3-2 times and then strangely throwing in “there’s better talent in d1” …. Ok so HD had better talent than Dc? That’s your example? …… or you threw that in there for what reason? …… seems pointless and again another dumb$ reason / means to take a shot at stokes …… I think a lot of dc fans and families over the years myself included are having there feelings hurt and don’t know how to handle it other than trying to tear something down….this was a bad bad bad bad post…..unbecoming of you Harry……looking forward to your betting suggestions for tomorrow’s games….but this is a bad HS football take…::clearly biased ….no way around it…..no way
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Not a shot at Stokes at all .I praise Stokes all the time . It iIS harder to win a D-1 or. D-2 title title for public schools . Was referring to the St Xs Ed’s the Colerains Wayne’s Pick Cs et al when referring to talent . We all know Davidson system and bring different and not sheer talent won them a lot of games . They played a different game . Certain talent wasn’t necessary . I know you love Stokes , that’s OK. I have NEVER said it was a bad hire or rioted against him or the team .I have praised his leadership qualities many many times . I think my takes about what has happened this year are accurate and very reasonable . Honest . You don’t have to agree or like it of course . If you think winning a title at the D-7 level and D-1 level as a public school is apples to apples ? I’ll respectfully disagree . If that’s not what you think , why was my take so bad ?
 
Ken Cosgrove said:
HC I agree with much of what you share and predict and opine on but this makes no sense to me…..downgrading or slamming stokes via HD and White besting Crabtree 3-2 times and then strangely throwing in “there’s better talent in d1” …. Ok so HD had better talent than Dc? That’s your example? …… or you threw that in there for what reason? …… seems pointless and again another dumb$ reason / means to take a shot at stokes …… I think a lot of dc fans and families over the years myself included are having there feelings hurt and don’t know how to handle it other than trying to tear something down….this was a bad bad bad bad post…..unbecoming of you Harry……looking forward to your betting suggestions for tomorrow’s games….but this is a bad HS football take…::clearly biased ….no way around it…..no way
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Biased against what ? Small schools ? Or Stokes ? I just disagree that he knows some magic formula that applies to great success in the playoffs at this level . His shots at the previous staff were unnecessary and not productive . His they win a lot of games here “. In the regular season “. Shot denotes his arrogance iof winning titles and Coffmans lack of great playoff success , suggesting he would have done a lot better . Im
Not convinced that’s true . He has never coached in this situation before . He needs players to win at a high rate just like any coach does . When he didn’t have them at Minster he didn’t win last year . He left when he did for a reason as did Crabtree .
As I often say two differing takes can be true at the same time. I can praise Stokes methods and leadership qualities and previous successes while also questioning some of his presumptions and judgements of the previous regime as if he has vast experience with the nature of their situation . He will need time to build something here . My opinion is he won’t be here long term . Down cycles suk . Crabtree was fortunate to never really have one . All programs go through it at some point . This just May be Coffman’s “. Time “. Hope I’m wrong
 
Michigan State losing is a bad thing fOSU obviously . Penn State losing to Iowa with Clifford going out being the difference . Bad the Illinois debacle lessened the Bucs win . Illinois getting more than 2 TDS yesterday was in play after we went with them for a few weeks because they were undervalued . Yesterday based on that success and Illinois loss to Rutgers the game was priced poorly . Illinois is a weird team . Minnesota has played down to competition at times (. Bowling Green anyone ?). Minnesota was all of a sudden over valued . Nice job by the Illini also a futures over opinion .

Overall college UNDERS have come in at a near 58 percent rate . Had some nice UNDERS with a late one with Army -Air Force ( AF lost for us ). Auburn - A’M (
Cal - Arizona - WV - OKS . Lost with ND - Navy which we handicapped well (. ND mid to high 30’s with Navy needing to just do something ). But Navy only scoring 6 . Kentucky - Tennessee was never close as UK got sucked into playing a fast paced game .

Memphis QB was cleared and the line fell to 3.5. I had taken them then with QB iffy evened it out but grabbed a small slice at 3.5 . They won outright as SMU Houston hangover was real . Speaking of that
South Florida isn’t real good obviously but their average per play vs conference foes was competitive . Houston also hung over from their big win laying 2 Tds on the road ? South Florida came in nicely .

Did hit a couple overs which helped make it a winning totals day . UNC was a nice winner for us laying 2.5 coming back from a 2 TD deficit in the 4th quarter. Couldn’t make this line high enough . Not ideal heights for the NFL but QB’s Hartman and Howell are both excellent .

Wisconsin - Rutgers I figured was priced too low . Wisky scored a ton and did the lifting going over the low total . NC State was a solid play after burning us a few weeks ago in a close loss to Miami . Hurricanes lost for us yesterday .

Western Kentucky line went up late . Something was up . Not sure what . Trusted it was something and they rolled by 27 laying heavy teens (. 18.5 ) vs. MTSU .

Liberty was a popular play as was Purdue . I like to go against these teams sometimes . Luckily I opted not to back MSU because of their pass defense . Michigan did what it wanted last week vs. Sparty secondary . Feel a bit left out not getting in Purdue but saved by not being contrarian . Did get on Ole Miss when the line fell line but did in the Penn State -MD game (. INDY down to 10 in the NFL as well ) . Both won and covered for the good guys .

Unders are also coming in at a nice rate in the NFL at 55 percent . Some big line shifts this week (. Rodgers news ). SF Arizona SD Philly as well . Got some early numbers as usual and most offer value . Timing the market is crucial . Busiest time for me is Sunday early evening through Monday trying to get the best numbers . Usually it’s favorites early , dogs late . But we showed some good examples of favorites getting bet down instead of up .

Patriots at -2.5 was an early value we got as they seem to be improving and getting into position for a playoff push . Mccaffrey coming back possibly is not great but Darnold won’t likely be good going against a. Belichick D.
 
Harry - You definitely make good points on various subjects/topics but at times you are full of backhanded compliments and are either unable to realize or admit when you are wrong. As stated by Ken C above, your one post was just that and yet you double down on your statements.

The “We all know Davidson system and bring different and not sheer talent won them a lot of games.” is a perfect example. This is exactly why Dublin Coffman fired, parted ways, Crabtree resigned/retired. Coffman’s administration, fan base (people like you) thought Coffman should not be losing 2/3 of all the games in this series. The Davidson 2 State Titles are also a big ole burr in the Coffman’s leather movie theater reclining Lazy Boy with built in beer stein and wine glass holders.

Yes, Coffman had the advantage in Rival Top 50 seniors over the last 20 years - something like 25 to Davidson’s 3. Yes, Davidson ran a basic run oriented offense. Degrading Davidson because of the offensive style they play…. if the style is such a talent equalizer then why didn’t/hasn’t Coffman implemented it? Also, you have stated on multiple occasions that Coffman’s “demographics” is a determent to winning a state title compared to the likes of a Pickerington Central or the big Catholic schools. If so then again, why didn’t/doesn’t Coffman try the Davidson style of offense.

Finally, you are correct that winning a state title in D1 is harder that D6 or D7. However in the 4 region D1 format, it has been easier for Coffman to win their region than to win a state title in D6 or D7. Coffman’s region has seldom had any of the traditional powers, they have the likes of the Olentangy’s, recent upstarts Springfield, Toledo Whitmor and the Wayne Huber Heights to get thru but have come up short. Another state semifinal or two appearance would have helped Crabtree but Coffman simply couldn’t get it done. Hence - the end of the Crabtree era in a way that simply should not have gone down like it did and now the Stokes era, a guy who appears to rub some the wrong way kinda like Minnesota Golden Gophers coach PJ Fleck.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Harry - You definitely make good points on various subjects/topics but at times you are full of backhanded compliments and are either unable to realize or admit when you are wrong. As stated by Ken C above, your one post was just that and yet you double down on your statements.

The “We all know Davidson system and bring different and not sheer talent won them a lot of games.” is a perfect example. This is exactly why Dublin Coffman fired, parted ways, Crabtree resigned/retired. Coffman’s administration, fan base (people like you) thought Coffman should not be losing 2/3 of all the games in this series. The Davidson 2 State Titles are also a big ole burr in the Coffman’s leather movie theater reclining Lazy Boy with built in beer stein and wine glass holders.

Yes, Coffman had the advantage in Rival Top 50 seniors over the last 20 years - something like 25 to Davidson’s 3. Yes, Davidson ran a basic run oriented offense. Degrading Davidson because of the offensive style they play…. if the style is such a talent equalizer then why didn’t/hasn’t Coffman implemented it? Also, you have stated on multiple occasions that Coffman’s “demographics” is a determent to winning a state title compared to the likes of a Pickerington Central or the big Catholic schools. If so then again, why didn’t/doesn’t Coffman try the Davidson style of offense.

Finally, you are correct that winning a state title in D1 is harder that D6 or D7. However in the 4 region D1 format, it has been easier for Coffman to win their region than to win a state title in D6 or D7. Coffman’s region has seldom had any of the traditional powers, they have the likes of the Olentangy’s, recent upstarts Springfield, Toledo Whitmor and the Wayne Huber Heights to get thru but have come up short. Another state semifinal or two appearance would have helped Crabtree but Coffman simply couldn’t get it done. Hence - the end of the Crabtree era in a way that simply should not have gone down like it did and now the Stokes era, a guy who appears to rub some the wrong way kinda like Minnesota Golden Gophers coach PJ Fleck.
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Guy said Coffman had White to contend with and Stokes didn't have Goodwin to deal with. I added further context to why D-1 and Coffman winning a state title in addition to White was a different animal than Stokes had to deal with in d-6 and 7 . That's about it. Why didn't everyone try to run that run up each others butt offense? Ask them . I wouldn't have wanted to watch everyone trying that . But that's me . Do you thin Coffman should have done what they did ? Stokes runs a similar offense that most teams try to employ , and has done a good job overall with what he has to work with . Defense is another story as Crager was supposed to be a bad coach according to the know nothings about football .

Anyway the titles Davidson won is a memory really,. nothing I'm BH about and i was happy for them that they had a nice season this year after last years struggles . Crabtree wasn't fired by the way ., let go or forced out for losing to Davidson too much as you seem to imply . So what did I double down on that was wrong again ? Davidson offensive system not being reliant on the same type of talent other teams may need to run their systems. ? I'm wrong about things all the time, Davidson playing a different game and system than 90-95 percent of all D-1 teams in their hey day isn't one of them . They WERE different ran a different system that worked great for years . I have praised that program to high heaven as always there is not a way for me to ever praise them enough or in the right way to satisfy guys like you who love them . Been this way for a dozen years or so, No praise for them about how tough they are is ever enough . Never has been . What's backhanded about saying they ran a system that was difficult to play only once a year for other teams to prepare for it after playing other offenses all year ? Preparing for service academy's in college football in the middle of the year is always difficult for teams and is talked about all the time . Is that disrespectful ? I have also given honest takes and praised the hire and Stokes many many times . Never going to be enough I guess. Do you think he's the best fit for this program? Some people are about finding exceptions that try to prove the rule is wrong . I'm not about finding exceptions that prove general rules wrong or thinking in black and white terms , either OR's or there is just ONE truth. Being purposefully disagreeable is not a great trait. I remember someone out here tried to make the case that the heavy Asian population was an advantage for Coffman football[Jerome demo is higher } , Who was that ?
 
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Harry - Coffman & Davidson played each other every year and what, 6 times in the playoffs? Coffman had Westland, Central Crossing and other mid season league opponents where they could have practiced & prepared for Davidson. If need be, Coffman could have scheduled an out of conference opponent who ran a similar offense. In the end, it comes down to discipline, assignment football, reading your keys and tackling. None of that has ‘talent’ or ‘demographics’.

As for Stokes, I think his resume makes him more than qualified. The talking negatively of the prior coach/teams…..it’s classless, no other way of putting it. I think the Coffman administration handled the ‘transition’ of Crabtree in a not so classy way either, it was messy to say the least. Crabtree retiring/resigning and then going to DeSales as an assistant and having his son transfer there as well - it speaks volumes.

In the end it all comes down to winning. If Stokes wins he’s the cats meow of Dublin. If the Shamrocks have two more seasons like 2021, Coffman is conducting a coaching search.
 
Harrycrane said:
Biased against what ? Small schools ? Or Stokes ? I just disagree that he knows some magic formula that applies to great success in the playoffs at this level . His shots at the previous staff were unnecessary and not productive . His they win a lot of games here “. In the regular season “. Shot denotes his arrogance iof winning titles and Coffmans lack of great playoff success , suggesting he would have done a lot better . Im
Not convinced that’s true . He has never coached in this situation before . He needs players to win at a high rate just like any coach does . When he didn’t have them at Minster he didn’t win last year . He left when he did for a reason as did Crabtree .
As I often say two differing takes can be true at the same time. I can praise Stokes methods and leadership qualities and previous successes while also questioning some of his presumptions and judgements of the previous regime as if he has vast experience with the nature of their situation . He will need time to build something here . My opinion is he won’t be here long term . Down cycles suk . Crabtree was fortunate to never really have one . All programs go through it at some point . This just May be Coffman’s “. Time “. Hope I’m wrong
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All very fair points…….just didn’t fully understand why the HD pint was made, not sure I do at this point, but again your points are fair overall…..I think the transition last offseason and how messy it was (with plenty of blame to go around to be fair) is blurring some views for someof us…..I really do feel that is the case and maybe rightfully so. ……some of the comments flat out shouldn’t not have been made especially if they were made with the intention many interpreted them to be….I also think you hit the nail on the head about “not wanting to watch Coffman run a style like HD and see someone running up someone’s butts week after week…””””” that’s part of the run on us dc fans and gives some insight into how this year has gone to be frank……rooting for this program hard….lots needs to change for next year to be a different story and as you pointing out it will be an uphill climb Strickley based on personnell….but I think it would help to have less division around the program just speaking in general terms ….. I am not in the building but I wonder what that climate is like and how it impacts the kids and the staff and support staff and all around buy in……go DC rocks
 
The NFL at the halfway point has been full of some really head scratching occurrences. Inexplicable results and the adage "Any given Sunday " has been apt . More truly bad teams this year no question about it . They do cover spreads as well sometimes. They are often useful in teasers and totals as well .

Until the Jets beat Cincy [Off of their biggest win in many years and third road game , { we only had the Jets in a teaser that easily cashed } No underdog of 7.5 or more had won a game outright. Never took this long for that to happen in NFL history.

Week got off to a good start fading one of these 'bad " teams the Jets on Thursday as they gained some weird respect for their win over the Bengals who were the aforementioned 'Bad spots" and were playing Mike White at QB and the line dropped 4 points from 14 against the Colts who are good enough to outplay the Ravens [Lost a tough one} and play right with a good Tennessee team .

Cashed the Colts -10 and have them alive obviously in a three-team [9 points} play with San Fran- 7.5 and Dallas - 1 . .

Rams were taken with Dallas in two team teaser[Early 7-7.5 range} which I think should cash comfortably. Got Cleveland -Cincy OVER 45 [Now 47.5?} . Cincy defense isn't as good as Pittsburgh as we know , and their offense is better than Pitt's . UNDER last week was the easy call in the Browns game. OVER today isn't as strong an opinion as that but I think the Browns are just going to be creative and let it rip this week on offense and their defense has simply under performed on third down and overall.

Got the Packers -Chiefs at UNDER 54.5 before Rodgers became a pariah and was ruled out for 10 days. [Should have kept his mouth shut about trusting Joe Rogan and looking like a dumb [I realize that many like him better now lol} but that is for another area} KC simply isn't the same team this year offensively. I think Love can play a bit and could be eventually be a franchise QB . BUT in this spot I think the Packers run the ball about 20 percent more . Packers defense is always a concern , but they got a good test vs. the Cardinals and a similar type of QB and did a good job . Line went to 7.5 -8
in some places and got it 7.5 . Think the Packers will rally around the young guy and the Chiefs defense is still MEH on a good day .
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New Orleans -Atlanta look ahead total was 45.5 , it went immediately to 43.5 at open and i got it as i see the Saints staying with the conservative offense with the pride of Northwestern and a stout defense which should be able to handle the Falcons . went to 41.5 and at that point a few 'teams hammered the OVER at that low price and it is now at 42.5 on average. Grabbed a 6 pt teaser with NO- 6 down to pick now 7 } and Cleveland + 2.5 to + 8.5 .

Philly seems to be getting a lot of respect as the line has moved from Chargers - 3 to 1.5 . Why? the last month has seen a 21-18-win vs Carolina where they were fortunate and got outplayed snap for snap , a closer home loss to TB? Got hammered by the Raiders who completed 85 percent of their throws and only scored in garbage time to make it look better than it really was and then hammered a BAD Lions team who was off playing the Rams and putting everything they had into that one .

OK the Chargers have lost their last two an embarrassing blowout to the Ravens and to an improving Patriots team who had a very good scheme for them . That won't be the case today . Body of work advantage to the Chargers . I like them and Hebert to bounce back today.

Houston Miami line is down to 4.5 based on the immortal Tyrod Taylor playing and he did light up Jax in week one and did OK against Cleveland before getting hurt. Miami is BAD , no doubt about it , BUT not trusting a Rusty Taylor here.

More ML stuff player props and a few exotics , too many to name or most would be interested in lol. Beautiful day out.
 
Harry has been consistent on these threads - he likes the Stokes hire but doesn't like the petty shots at Crabtree by Stokes and his supporters. He's also skeptical that the talent level will get back to what Coffman is used to having anytime soon, which makes him question how long Stokes will stick around. I don't think it is fair to label Harry as a Stokes detractor at all.
 
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Harry - Coffman & Davidson played each other every year and what, 6 times in the playoffs? Coffman had Westland, Central Crossing and other mid season league opponents where they could have practiced & prepared for Davidson. If need be, Coffman could have scheduled an out of conference opponent who ran a similar offense. In the end, it comes down to discipline, assignment football, reading your keys and tackling. None of that has ‘talent’ or ‘demographics’.

As for Stokes, I think his resume makes him more than qualified. The talking negatively of the prior coach/teams…..it’s classless, no other way of putting it. I think the Coffman administration handled the ‘transition’ of Crabtree in a not so classy way either, it was messy to say the least. Crabtree retiring/resigning and then going to DeSales as an assistant and having his son transfer there as well - it speaks volumes.

In the end it all comes down to winning. If Stokes wins he’s the cats meow of Dublin. If the Shamrocks have two more seasons like 2021, Coffman is conducting a coaching search.
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I stopped reading at “could’ve scheduled an out of conference opponent that ran a similar offense”. Colerain would’ve been about the only other team at that time that even ran anything even close to Brian White, even then, drastically different offenses. On top of that, there were only a few Coffman/Davidson games where Crager’s D struggled.

How has this turned into a “Crabtree was let go because of Davidson” theory? Stokes is 0-1 and it wasn’t vs Davidson of old.
 
Line dropped a bit but no injury stuff was new (. Tua And weapon ) . Miami rolling and those who got the better price nice work . Should cover. Got Ravens Vikings OVER and that’s looking good . Teasers not going well early but a couple sides and totals are getting it done . Saints not scoring is helping . Patriots are playing really well (. That week one loss to Dolphins on the fumble and the FG off the upright vs. TB hurt along with OT loss to Dallas .

NA -UA is a great matchup . Not sure right now , but leaning UA because they can throw the ball and will better keep run defense honest.
 
Saints start scoring and go ahead and lose the tease and total . I had to chuckle at the teams doing what was necessary to lose both lol
 
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Can’t play Lax and football . Have to pick one.

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Off season, incredible fitness opportunity, improves speed, agility, quickness, ability to cut, take angles, improved hand-eye coordination. Although they have softened the hitting at least until the college level. Crabtree encouraged football players who played lax and Dublin was ahead of the State of Ohio with the exception of UA in building youth programs and developing the game.That must have been why it is not acceptable. A lot of incredible D-I college lax players were high school football stars. Curious on how many UA football players also play Lax. Recall Danny Logan who was 1st Team All American D-I Lax at Denver was also a very good football player.
 
NFL is just so predictable, isn't it ? Easy pickings. Dallas has that look of a championship team don't they? Win on the road at Minnesota with the QB with the fictional name ? Cooper Rush ? Some crunchy director would pick that name for the star QB IN a cheesy teen movie. Good soap opera name . So the next week they play a Denver team who thought so much of their chances this year they let go a star pass rusher for picks . K . So how does going on the road playing this so 'called 'championship level team? Get to a 30-0 lead and it's Dallas who is into padding their stats and scoring in garbage time ?

The Rams were anointed a 'Championship level team as well. How in the world have they got so good so fast with a new QB? Matt Stafford is really the best QB ever and if not saddled by his 'Stretch " in Detroit would be the GOAT. Stafford has ALWAYS had games like this and NO it wasn't the Lions organization's fault . The Rams were in the Super Bowl two years ago , they have a lot of good players , Stafford didn't save them . He is much better than Goff. Goff was over drafted . He was slight , and a good not great athlete. Not that good as a leader . He NEVER pulled off an upset while at Cal . Number one picks ELEVATE sometimes mediocre teams and sometimes beat a team that is better than his team by carrying them at times . Goff never did that at Cal. RED FLAG .In the Rams three games against quality opponents ALL AT HOME , they are 1-2 and weren't competitive in the two losses.


One signature win vs TB .[Win for the good guys} They won by 3 at Indy , beat the Bears Giants Lions and Texans . Seattle with Russell Wilson exiting early [Nice win for us } . I think maybe we can put off planning that parade for at least a few weeks. I think this team has 3 or 4 more losses in them .

Buffalo we were told is a 'Complete " team, the best by a lot in the AFC with KC struggling . Improved pass rush which was a weakness and they have a QB who is Superman. Great coach . Well, this line went to 16 by KO. Has there ever been a 14 + Favorite score only 6 points in a game and lose to may be the worst team in the league? Wasn't involved in this game in any shape or form, but probably should have grabbed the 16 on principal but JAX is so bad that on any given Sunday they can lay an egg so big that a Brontosaurus would be envious.

New Orleans stout defense that has flummoxed Tom Brady shows up and delivers that performance vs. Atlanta , a team that couldn't get out of its own way the week before vs. Carolina in a home loss ? The only total we lost in a very good totals day which really have been more profitable than betting sides this year [UNDERS are coming in at a solid 55 percent and change and I have always been a bigger UNDERS player}. This one looked like a sure fire UNDER with New Orleans stuck at 6 points until the 4th quarter , just like the mighty Matt Staffords were. [Stafford provided plenty of points of course, just not for his team}. Stafford was really channeling his inner Carson Wentz, wasn't he ? Some of these plays are so bad that it's as if they are shaving points and trying to lose .


KC is talked about like they are just out of synch , not 'Quite right" . That is false. You are out of synch for a few weeks may be. This is WHO they are this season. They hype of Mahomes was legit based on numbers , BUT as I said in the Summer this anointment of him as an all-time great destined to go down as the best to ever play the position was really premature . KC is not that good this year. At one -point Mahomes had 28 attempts and less than 90 yards passing yesterday. Had a bad throw dropped by GB . Got a short field . Scored 13 against an average -Really below average overall numbers wise} . That's not quite right. That's just they aren't that good. . Speaking of not good. Lets just say if Jordan Love's game yesterday was a movie the reviews would be more Gigli than Goodfellas. Gobble gobble" was a notoriously bad line from Jennifer Lopez , that about sums up that turkey from Love. Rodgers as bad as he looks now with his lying and his wacky conspiracy theory excuses , is desperately needed and it's safe to say if he was in there? They cruise past this year's KC shell of a team. He also doesn't make throws like Stafford did yesterday and some of the other inexplicable bad QB play[ Allen scoring 6 points as a 16 point favorite against a team Geno Smith hung 40 + on ? Gladly took the 7.5 yesterday and played UNDER 53.5 earlier in the week pre- Rodgers buffoonery. Two birds with a stone and along with the Chargers puling out a go either way game made the Rams teasers disaster much more tolerable .


Minnesota really knows how to lose football games don't they ? Good grief . Had the OVER which made me happy but if there is a way to lose football games that Minnesota doesn't know about ? It hasn't been invented. This goes back in their history as well . Favre and his late pick with the radio announcer going viral? Robert Smith running out of bounds to save enough clock for the Falcons and then Andersen the best kicker in the game at that point in time missing the FG after making how many in a row? The missed chippy FG a few years ago in the play-offs? This year losing to the Cardinals the same way? Cough up leads late , miss FG's , defense plays well the offense stinks [Browns game} the offense is rolling the defense is a sieve when it matters. Back-up QB rolls in , but it's prime time so Cousins stinks as he always does in stand alone games , playing tighter than a 10 year old Buckeyes jersey on the average 40 year old fan's body [ I have never been a jersey guy at all , but guys you do own mirrors right ? That jersey was OK 35-40 pounds ago , it's not OK now lol} . Minny should petition the league to NOT have to play prime time games while Cousins is their QB. He's good most of the time actually and does solid work. Even Princeton's Bill Rutherford knows that he just isn't Elite QB material now is he?

Should the Patriots be afraid of anyone in the AFC? Nice three week for us taking the Patriots straight in some teasers in previous weeks. Grabbed them again -2.5 vs the Browns this week in Foxboro. They are playing really well right now and three of their four losses could have gone either way. Carolina picked up the 19 million option on Darnold? Yikes . Root for him to do well but ? Good Lord Sam . Brad Westly needs to summon him to his manse and tell him just like he told famed 'Cooler" Dalton 32 years ago [Gulp } " This isn't working out Darnold" . Darnold is making bad plays about as often as Road House is played on random cable channels on weekends.


As some here know I don't really sleep on Sunday nights through Monday afternoon , getting early lines and opening numbers is the life I've chosen lol . You know I'm getting a bit punchy when I start in with the 80's movie references lol. Have to make it clear that I am not one of those ' 'No one is good " everyone stinks in CFB and the NFL ,'There aren't any good teams out there guys" . But I point out the negative about good teams to show how tough it is to predict week to week and this fluidity shows just how tough this game is physically and mentally in terms of trying to be at your best week in and week out. It's just a grind in every respect.

Two early lines played in the Pac-12 which has been pretty good to us overall . [nice late win with Arizona State over free falling USC and the Under in the CAL Arizona game[10-3?} . Never have played as many totals as I have this year , especially in college football where totals are almost taboo for many. With the UNDER coming in closer to 60 percent than 50 I will take advantage being a guy who looks to play UNDER more often . The market is adjusting a bit so it's getting a little more difficult. Arizona -Utah opened 57.5 , grabbed that number and went UNDER , it's now 54.5 and heading down. Got Washington State at the open + 16 , it's now 14 and at 13/3 in some locales. They are playing Oregon and the Cougars are 4-1 last 5 only losing to BYU by 2 , and was a really nice win for us grabbing the large points at Arizona State winning outright by 13 .
 
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Off season, incredible fitness opportunity, improves speed, agility, quickness, ability to cut, take angles, improved hand-eye coordination. Although they have softened the hitting at least until the college level. Crabtree encouraged football players who played lax and Dublin was ahead of the State of Ohio with the exception of UA in building youth programs and developing the game.That must have been why it is not acceptable. A lot of incredible D-I college lax players were high school football stars. Curious on how many UA football players also play Lax. Recall Danny Logan who was 1st Team All American D-I Lax at Denver was also a very good football player.
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Logan was also a very good hockey player . Still remember that rocket he scored on vs Coffman in the district final . Made it 1-0 UA , Coffman went on to win the game and lost a OT heartbreaker to University School at Nationwide in the semi. Many of us were three sport guys back in the day, And I played Hockey as well .
 
green hornet said:
Off season, incredible fitness opportunity, improves speed, agility, quickness, ability to cut, take angles, improved hand-eye coordination. Although they have softened the hitting at least until the college level. Crabtree encouraged football players who played lax and Dublin was ahead of the State of Ohio with the exception of UA in building youth programs and developing the game.That must have been why it is not acceptable. A lot of incredible D-I college lax players were high school football stars. Curious on how many UA football players also play Lax. Recall Danny Logan who was 1st Team All American D-I Lax at Denver was also a very good football players
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Can for sure do both . The best player in lax last year from Maryland was starting qb at Ferris State this season until I think he got hurt. Not doing multiple sports hurts other programs in the school, and hurts players abilities to gain skills from playing in other sports. If a coach is telling kids they must choose a sport ... then they shouldn't be a coach .
 
Kids should be playing multiple sports. Competitive Excellence can't be ignored, in fact, must be demanded! Harder to do in pay-to-play communities, but I would want my kids competing at everything-in every sport, in the weight room, and in the class room! Coach Stokes will get things going there. Good luck!
 
green hornet said:
Off season, incredible fitness opportunity, improves speed, agility, quickness, ability to cut, take angles, improved hand-eye coordination. Although they have softened the hitting at least until the college level. Crabtree encouraged football players who played lax and Dublin was ahead of the State of Ohio with the exception of UA in building youth programs and developing the game.That must have been why it is not acceptable. A lot of incredible D-I college lax players were high school football stars. Curious on how many UA football players also play Lax. Recall Danny Logan who was 1st Team All American D-I Lax at Denver was also a very good football player.
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UA has a lot of Lax players, always have. UA also has a few hockey, wrestling, and a lot of baseball players playing and starting on the UA varsity football team. I was shocked when breaking down and looking over the UA starters at how many were multiple sport athletes.

Marysville has 6 or 7 stud wrestlers on their very good defense, I'm talking state placer studs. London who just beat Hartley, is probably 2nd in the central district with the most wrestlers starting on the varsity football team.

I just don't understand why more schools don't try and get wrestlers, Lax, and those that have Hockey players on the grid iron. They all go hand in hand. Coffman had very good player a few years ago named Ben Frye, he currently starts for Duke on the DL and is their HWT wrestler (Amazing story and he's doing both at that level).
 
I think with the D1 high schools it becomes difficult to play more than one sport if you want to start and be really good. The best athetles can play two sports, but very very few can play three. The last three sport guy I can remember at UA was Sammy Sass (QB, point guard, catcher). He is now playing baseball down at Wright State. It becomes a numbers game at the bigger schools. If you go to smaller school you def can play three sports.

Not to mention coaches who want the kids to ONLY play their sport. Or want their wrestlers in the weight room (dumbest thing I've ever heard).
 
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I think with the D1 high schools it becomes difficult to play more than one sport if you want to start and be really good. The best athetles can play two sports, but very very few can play three. The last three sport guy I can remember at UA was Sammy Sass (QB, point guard, catcher). He is now playing baseball down at Wright State. It becomes a numbers game at the bigger schools. If you go to smaller school you def can play three sports.

Not to mention coaches who want the kids to ONLY play their sport. Or want their wrestlers in the weight room (dumbest thing I've ever heard).
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Three sports is really difficult now . It was then ( my school was D-1. Right about the same size school as Coffman ). Two is doable but I do agree that some marginal players in certain sports may have to fully concentrate on one to play . Younger years you absolutely play as many as you can and then a natural pruning takes place .The more natural athletes and gifted have more leeway to play multiple sport’s , Transferable skills is a real thing and learning to compete is important .
 
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Marysville has 6 or 7 stud wrestlers on their very good defense, I'm talking state placer studs. London who just beat Hartley, is probably 2nd in the central district with the most wrestlers starting on the varsity football team.

I just don't understand why more schools don't try and get wrestlers, Lax, and those that have Hockey players on the grid iron. They all go hand in hand. Coffman had very good player a few years ago named Ben Frye, he currently starts for Duke on the DL and is their HWT wrestler (Amazing story and he’s doing both at that level)
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Unfortunately there are only 3 wrestlers starting on defense Will and C. Powers are returning state placers and Bickerstaff is a returning state qualifier. The other starter that wrestles if the QB Seger and he was 6th at districts. With the weight changes not sure who will be where. There are several in the3 deep that have or do wrestle. I hear a couple seniors that have not wrestled since freshmen may be coming out. Unfortunately continues to be more emphasis on the single sport.

Frye was a beast and there was a clip during a game or one of the pre game shows this fall about him and how he did not plan to wrestle at Duke but went into the Duke wrestling room after his freshmen or sophomore year and being back in the wrestling room made him a better football player.

I agree more and more at the big schools it is hard to stay competitive as an individual playing more then one sport. Football and wrestling are the most compatible especially for linemen.
 
Question for AHM based off how close you are to the program and your knowledge of what’s happening there in the ground……..what changes do you see being implemented this off-season ?…,,….what direction do you think Coach stokes will go and what adjustments will be made…..appreciate your time….open for anyone to respond to as well of course…….
 
Week 13

Massillon - 3 Big Nut

Might as well start with this one as this is the biggest disparity with my line { -15} and the CP line. Nut has run roughshod over most of their competition this season as we know and we also know that competition was well? Not really that arduous to say the least early on and when presented with some level below true state level competition even remotely close this Tiger team, they were only marginally impressive.

The Westy South Ibbies were a common opponent and both kind of thrashed them. WS had a huge QB issue earlier in the season and they ran them out of the building early and didn't let up. I thought Massillon was going to win a title in the last couple years as I figured it was just their time to do so. They had very good teams but just weren't as good as LaSalle and Hoban in those years and had no answers for what their Catholic opponents did well. This year the opposition seems more beatable and I think Massillon realizes this and is primed to finish the job. Winning big or going on runs isn't always about your team but rather the opposition and the match-up issues they cause.

At this point of the play-off proceedings there is sometimes match-ups that show distinct class differences and stepping up in class can be difficult in any circumstance. Big Nut simply hasn't seen this type of team and cannot simulate in practice the speed and ability that Massillon has and they haven't seen this level of team at all. They closest they have seen is Westy South and Scioto. These teams are poor man's versions of this Tiger team. Massillon has given up some yardage to some good opponents including the Ibbies. The speed issue is just one aspect, but the Tigers can line up in 12 personnel and pound it with Lenix and say 'Stop it " and if they can? They have other options. Brawley is a one-man playmaking machine for Massillon and will impact the game in a myriad of ways. Big Nut will be able to run it some no question, but the bottom line the big play capability potential is all with the Tigers. They tackle well, are well coached and can hurt Big Nut in more ways than Nut can hurt them. More top end talent, tougher schedule and in the end that edge is a bit too much for BW to overcome. Great season for BW but the clock strikes midnight at about 9.00 pm. Best bet. If someone offered me Mass - 3? I Bet with Both hands and make a call to the bank for more permission.

Massillon 38 BW 19
 
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Week 13 Cont.

Pickerington Central - 20 Pick North

Line is a bit heavy as if the CP top linesman has already seen a PC blocked punt and a pick in his crystal ball. North already pulled a few rabbits out of its hat just trying to get by Gahanna last week. A pick six of the Gahanna Frosh QB was the difference maker in the end. Getting turnovers and capitalizing is a huge factor in who wins and loses game and the teams that can make these things happen have a leg up. Especially when playing better competition. Teams that can't get turnovers and make explosive plays have smaller margins in terms of achieving victory. PC in the first meeting played conservatively thinking that they could basically shut North out and grind out a very low scoring game.

Trying to run the clock out, PC coughed up the ball and a scoop and score cost them the ball game ultimately. The game went to OT but the unnerved PC club missed a FG and lost. PN has always played down to competition. They also can play up to the heavier weighted teams and surprise them. PC won't be surprised tomorrow. Revenge is an emotion that will muted a bit by just trying to advance in the quest to go deep closer to the prize. PN Should think it is playing with house money. Body of work wise the Panthers know they aren't as good as this Tiger team in 2021 and in most every year. North will try to pull a few sleights of hand tricks, run some misdirection, may be even try to pull out some 'Code Reds " but in the end? They will run out of tricks and be left with the fact that PC is a bit too big strong and experienced for them and they will put on a show, but it will fall short because they won't be able to score.

PC sits back, keeps everything in front of them and says we will wear your butt down and out.

PC 23 - PN 6
 
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