Maybe so - but that is D1 so the statement is irrelevant.
Division III State Semifinal: Chardon (14-0) vs West Holmes (14-0)
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Those huge powerful D1 teams should be able to beat a team two divisions below them and half their size - what is the point ? All Chardon and schools like Kirtland have to do is beat the teams IN THEIR DIVISION. I dont understand the need to say things like that. Chardon is doing very well and working hard to be competitive in D3. Hell nobody in D1 is beating Ed's either.
S@CHDNFTBL
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CHARDONs current JV squad played St. Ed’s Freshman last year as Freshman and competed very well, D held Ed’s to two scores, a feat as their Freshman QB last year could have been a super star on any DIII varsity team. Our offense made it into the red zone twice…. Final score 14-0 Ed’s…… If you use simkon’s logic you might say CHARDONs Freshman should have won the game…. LOL…. Just kidding…..
Seen both teams play this year. This will be by far the best combo of QB, RB and wrs Chardon will play so far this year. That said, Chardon will dominate in the trenches and that's where the game will be won. WH has big play potential so I think they score 21, unfortunately they will give up 42. Ever since Chardon laid an egg in the second half against NP they've been a team on a mission. No doubt the Chardon coach used that poor performance as motivation and the players have responded.
topperbounce
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Not taking anything from WH, but I think both Glenville and Ursuline had better QB, WR, and RB combos. Not too many teams in the state had better offensive talent than those two squads. Luckily for Chardon, it took Glenville a few weeks to figure out how to best utilize that talent.
No doubt WH is solid, and hopefully this game is a good one.
Chardon’tComeAtMe
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I would possibly add Akron East to that list. Tremendous talent, but no depth and sub-par coaching.
S@CHDNFTBL
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I would add that AEast had legitimate D1 talent on that team in more than 1 position….. the rest of the region 9 are lucky they cannot get it put together yet……
Chardon’tComeAtMe
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SW-D is an impressive talent and has a high ceiling, but Chardon has seen equal or better talent this year and it hasn’t fazed them at all. SW-D hasn’t faced much competition in the OCC and Region 10, and was slowed down by the better teams. And WH will only get 6-7 possessions the entire game with Chardon’s ball control. That is several possessions fewer than a ‘regular’ game, so it limits their scoring ability regardless. You can’t score if you don’t have the ball.
And don’t sleep on the special teams in this game - Chardon excels here, and WH has a sub-par long snapper and kicking game. Look for a blocked punt and possibly some extra point struggles.
I’ll be your Huckleberry
Chardon’tComeAtMe
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Anyone know if WH has faced any Wing-T this year, or even someone who ran pro-style or Iso? Not sure if the WH d-line can hold up vs the Chardon O-line, but WH does have very good LB’s and pursues to the ball and tackles well.
ColdWindBlows
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Chardon has a lot of “it”. Should be a great challenge for SW-D and crew.
They have seen both this year. D-line isn't huge, but they are disciplined, play with good leverage, and move well. They have gone up against some solid O-lines, but none at Chardon's level. I can't wait to see how it plays out.
Region 9 was brutal! I do think the OCC was better than most people give credit. WH was just that much better than the rest. Wooster lost in the regional semifinals in DII region 7 to Green Mansfield Sr (T-Y Tygers) most thought would come out of the top half of the bracket in region 10 to play WH again. Padua with an upset there. I think they compare slightly to Akron East as they have talent, but never seem to put it altogether. Although not as much talent as East. Not the toughest conference in Ohio, but very competitive with 4 playoff teams and that has helped for this playoff run.
Region 9 was brutal! I do think the OCC was better than most people give credit. WH was just that much better than the rest. Wooster lost in the regional semifinals in DII region 7 to Green Mansfield Sr (T-Y Tygers) most thought would come out of the top half of the bracket in region 10 to play WH again. Padua with an upset there. I think they compare slightly to Akron East as they have talent, but never seem to put it altogether. Although not as much talentas East. Not the toughest conference in Ohio, but very competitive with 4 playoff teams and that has helped for this playoff run.
Just in the last few years OCC has had Mr. Football in 2018 (Also same year West Holmes was tied with 5 minutes left in the game and had ball vs. DIII Champ Kenston in regional quarterfinal), a D III Runner Up who lost in overtime (Mansfield Senior Ty-Tygers) in 2019 and now West Holmes in the final 4 and Wooster losing a tight game to Green who beat the Ti-Tigers in 2021. I don't think it is as bad as some have said.
West Holmes has some talent and are extremely well coached. They play extremely hard. Chardon is unreal having seen them in person on Friday and it will be interesting to see if West Holmes can take that final step against the program right now in D III football.
West Holmes has some talent and are extremely well coached. They play extremely hard. Chardon is unreal having seen them in person on Friday and it will be interesting to see if West Holmes can take that final step against the program right now in D III football.
Chardon’tComeAtMe
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I agree - WH will be able to measure themselves and Coach Gardner’s success building the program this week. And they are an emotionally driven team that has some great comebacks this year. QB12 and Tucker Kaufman, just to make a few kids who are the emotional center of this team with what adversity they have each faced in their lives … they are easy to root for and had multiple big comeback wins this year. If Chardon gets a lead, they will need to keep their foot on the accelerator because WH doesn’t quit and can rack up points fast. But based on what Tiffin Columbian did to them and how brutal Region 9 was this year, I see Chardon with a victory and another year in the state finals.
Mr. Goodbar
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Chardon was still in that game in the 4th, he was all Harding had. And ive watched the West Holmes/Holy Name game and i see nobody on WH that comes close to Lynn Bowden, hes an NFL player now. WH does have some impressive passing sets. Two things that will be crucial for WH: can they stop Chardons blitz and can Chardon control the clock with their 7+ minute drives to control time of possesion.
ideliver
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This kid was really fun to watch!
I agree….you need the talent of a QB that can play on Sunday in order to beat Charon….
And that’s what Warren Harding needs to be relevant
Clueless statement right here… WGH may not be defending state champs like Chardon… but I can count about 8-9 NFL players just in the past 25 yrs from Warren Harding. I highly doubt Chardon has 2, if even 1.
My point exactly
S@CHDNFTBL
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WGH always seems to have one of those special kids from the area. They are not the perennial contenders as they once were back in the 80s or so. I can see the point made here….
Chardon’tComeAtMe
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I think you just proved his point … If WGH doesn’t have NFL level talent (even McDaniels had top talent to go along with his program) they aren’t relevant. But Chardon has a championship caliber program and doesn’t depend on lightning in a bottle.
But since you asked … Joe Masden, NFL lineman 2015-2018. Chardon born and bred.
No disrespect to Chardon… I do see the point made here. But if you want to compare football program history I wouldn’t say Harding is only relevant due to a few NFL players. 7 state titles, 18 playoff appearances, 36 NFL players and 1 NFL Hall of Fame member.
S@CHDNFTBL
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We agree more than disagree, WGH has a legacy that cannot be denied for sure….. That type of legacy is what CHARDON is in the process of trying to build currently. That type of legacy happens over decades. I cannot disrespect WGH as when I played as a kid they were the standard to live up to.
I said “needs”, not “needed”… don’t mean to hijack the thread. Warren’s season ended a month ago let’s leave it there
He literally gets better as the game goes on. He hasn’t showed any sort of lack of stamina the entire year. Do you think it’s just going to occur now? Like I said, I think Chardon will win this game but you are not giving West Holmes enough credit. If Chardon things that they are going to steam roll them like they did over then they will be in for a rude awakening.
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Btw When did Hewitt get hired at Chardon?? I’d love to see the little things he and his staff do to motivate and prepare their players… coming from a background playing at the D1 level under Meyer, no doubt he took some nuggets from those experiences. Seems like a good dude to me I’ve heard he was a stud back in the day. Just curious
S@CHDNFTBL
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I believe this is his 11th year? Based on an interview this year… I’m sure someone can correct me if I’m wrong…..
Agree… my bad too I apologize for coming off as a deck.