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- Thread starter olivia jo
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Drawn from sectionals.

1vs. 4, 2vs.3 in each quarter.

1vs. 4, 2vs.3 in each quarter.

So they are random drawn , they dont seed the 4 groups (sectionals) .ThanksDrawn from sectionals.

1vs. 4, 2vs.3 in each quarter.

NOTE: if from top to bottom the order is reversed, I count that as a non-repeat.

The initial #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 from four different sectionals is a good start, but I think they could actually put just a little more effort in to seed the quarter brackets.So they are random drawn , they dont seed the 4 groups (sectionals) .Thanks

So they are random drawn , they dont seed the 4 groups (sectionals) .Thanks

correct

If the process minimizes repeats, then it's not truly random.

NOTE: if from top to bottom the order is reversed, I count that as a non-repeat.

Agreed. 100%.If the process minimizes repeats, then it's not truly random.

I guess my question is how many versions of pairings can there be without repeats? Is there not some mathematical/statistical answer here?

Come on, mathletes - lend a helping hand!

Agreed. 100%.

I guess my question is how many versions of pairings can there be without repeats? Is there not some mathematical/statistical answer here?

Come on, mathletes - lend a helping hand!

Yes, there would be a mathematical answer, but someone else will need to do the math. I would have to get on Excel to figure it out quickly and I'm not able to do that right now.

Edit- cruiser, I am unfortunately not a mensa candidate.

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One draw that will give your wrestler the easier chance to get through;

And one that will cause your wrestler to either have to upset someone, or have to “take a dive” in an early match to get the better draw in the conso semi’s.

This ^^^^^

One draw that will give your wrestler the easier chance to get through;

And one that will cause your wrestler to either have to upset someone, or have to “take a dive” in an early match to get the better draw in the conso semi’s.

Neither is he!Edit- cruiser, I am unfortunately not a mensa candidate.

Soooooo…how many possible pairings?

ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!

ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!

Soooooo…how many possible pairings?

ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!

You mean across all weights, not just within one, right?

Would it be that much work to seed the quarter brackets in order to get the best wrestlers to Columbus?

Go for it, give it a try.Would it be that much work to seed the quarter brackets in order to get the best wrestlers to Columbus?

Sectional A 1,2,3,4 go to lines 1, 7, 11 and 13

Sectional B 4,3,2,1 go to lines 2, 8, 12 and 14

Sectional C 1,2,3,4 go to lines 9, 3, 5 and 15

Sectional D 4,3,2,1 go to lines 10, 4, 6 and 16

A, B, C and D assignments alternate through the weight classes

This is the pattern for District and the same with State.

This ends up being 4 different bracket possibilities.

Looking at 2 districts all weight classes, each weight had different combinations.

Soooooo…how many possible pairings?

ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!

I believe it would be 24 different bracket sets, because once the 1st group of 4 is determined, the other 12 lines have to be a matching pattern of 1v4, 2v3 based on the 1st quarter bracket.

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There are 48 different bracket combinations. Due to the cross-bracketing of losers from the Championship Quarterfinals into the consolation round 2 lines, the bottom orientation (or pairing) of the bracket does in fact matter.

Here it is with the crayons for the simple folk:

Note the highlighted/Bracketed "Conso 2" pairings in each bracket... This shows that the flip-flopped bottom quarters actually creates a unique bracket.

Since the flip flop of the top quarters would be covered in the initial 24 quarters that can be created, we get 48 possible district brackets that can be created.

A colleague mentioned 96. Seems like the number as completely flipping the bracket is technically the same, but I view it as a new bracket. So 48 x2 = 96. And that’s 14 weight classes using all the options meaning every ~6.5 years we can start again.

I think 24 per weight is the correct answer for how it is drawn at districts. The quarters are the same formula being used, meaning if the top quarter has the #1 from sectional A, the number 2 from sectional A will always be in the bottom (last) quarter, #3 from sectional A will always be in 3rd quarter, #4 from sectional A will always be in the 2nd quarter. All with designated spots. So regardless of which #1 from each sectional sits in a spot, all the others from that sectional will have a designated quarter they fall in and it will not be random for 2-4.Ok, final answer here (for now...)

There are 48 different bracket combinations. Due to the cross-bracketing of losers from the Championship Quarterfinals into the consolation round 2 lines, the bottom orientation (or pairing) of the bracket does in fact matter.

Here it is with the crayons for the simple folk:

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Note the highlighted/Bracketed "Conso 2" pairings in each bracket... This shows that the flip-flopped bottom quarters actually creates a unique bracket.

Since the flip flop of the top quarters would be covered in the initial 24 quarters that can be created, we get 48 possible district brackets that can be created.