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[Rich Kotite]

I LOVE Dalton. Many relatives in Dalton and lots of my young days hanging out at the Block and Barrel with my cousins. If I named names of those relatives, you would know who they are (not because of prominence or anything... It's just that small of a town).

But there are people out there who want to find a place like Dalton and live out their career there. There's a coach out there who can coach at a bigger school for more money but chooses to stay in the small town. Sometimes you hire the guy who talks like that, but is gone once the bigger offers come. OR you have the person who would do it, but doesn't have the skill or the personality.

For the guys who have the skill and the personality and want to stay, that turns into the the fault of the culture of the district, the leadership/school board if you can't keep them, IMO.

So for the last three years what would you Dalton folks say has been the case? One of the above? None of the above?

Maybe Baum at North Canton will get tired of...North Canton and come back home to Dalton.

North Canton has a ton of pressure and tuff competition that sometimes they can't meet.

It's so late in the process now I see another "bridge koach" for Dalton for another 1-2 years until they get someone they really want.

It's like signing Teddy Bridgewater at QB. He's ok for a year. But he's Teddy Bridgewater. You do a year of him until you draft Tua. (Of course he flashes tons of ability before getting hurt but you're getting what I'm saying.)

Are there any past candidates from when Ray Here Today Gone Next Week Leek was hired that could be called back?

PS, the AD at Doylestown Mike Bohley was a solid koach for the Chipp Chop Chipps.* You know the saying "if you can win there....."

Maybe he'd come back in as HC of Dalton. And do you need an AD?

IMO Dalton can't just sit there and wait for applications. They need to make some calls.

*Chip chop ham reference. I'm hungry.

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He has a Dalton look about him. A vibe. He could be really good in Sugarcreek Township, Dalton, Kidron, West Lebanon.

 

[Raylan_Givens]

But there are people out there who want to find a place like Dalton and live out their career there. There's a coach out there who can coach at a bigger school for more money but chooses to stay in the small town.

Nailed it. Norwayne has a title, but they were a joke for 40-50 years, Orrville has 2 titles, but is a shell of their former self, no one in the Wayne Co area can touch Dalton's history of winning.

That said, it has seemed over the years that sometimes the administration/board has gotten confused on who they actually are. They are a VERY good small school program, but they are still a VERY small school. That has to be taken into account when hiring.

Easier said than done, but when the same thing happens to you twice in 15 years it's time to acknowledge that maybe it's not happening to you, but you're doing it to yourself.

 

[perry1480]

Nailed it. Norwayne has a title, but they were a joke for 40-50 years, Orrville has 2 titles, but is a shell of their former self, no one in the Wayne Co area can touch Dalton's history of winning.

That said, it has seemed over the years that sometimes the administration/board has gotten confused on who they actually are. They are a VERY good small school program, but they are still a VERY small school. That has to be taken into account when hiring.

Easier said than done, but when the same thing happens to you twice in 15 years it's time to acknowledge that maybe it's not happening to you, but you're doing it to yourself.

Bingo

 

[fbrox]

Bingo

Is there any way at all fences could be mended between Dial and Dalton and he could make a triumphant ride home. I heard he resigned last year but tried to get his job back. Maybe an agreement could be reached?

 

[Rich Kotite]

Is there any way at all fences could be mended between Dial and Dalton and he could make a triumphant ride home. I heard he resigned last year but tried to get his job back. Maybe an agreement could be reached?

No.

 

[Bulldogs1275]

Dalton went with Bilker because he was from a Division 1 school at the time. Adam Indorf and Brian Baum both applied back then. Bilker last one year and left 1 week before 2-a-days started.( Side note, he went back to Hoover to be an assistant coach under Baum. He lasted one season before being Fired. He hasn’t coached since.) Mike Doty got thrown into the job 1 week before camp started. He is definitely a better DC than a head coach. Dial came in and had a heck of a run. I wish both parties would have worked out their differences but it didn't happen. Leek came with a pretty good team coming back. I put both of the league losses on coaching, play calling down the stretch in both of those games killed us. Now where do we go from here? There are a couple of guys that i would love to see go after it, one was the DC for Perry for about 10 years. The other was coming back to be an assistant coach this year after a 2 year hiatus.

 

[Rich Kotite]

Has Mike Bohley run naked through the Los Tios parking lot or something?

Has he made it clear as a pristine Alpine stream that he doesn't want to coach again?

You won at freaking Doylestown. Crown that guiii.

Koach & AD. Make it happen.

Raylonzo what's the word on this?

Beijing Bob 99 - is former Hawaii koach Norm Chow available? @bob99

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

I LOVE Dalton. Many relatives in Dalton and lots of my young days hanging out at the Block and Barrel with my cousins. If I named names of those relatives, you would know who they are (not because of prominence or anything... It's just that small of a town).

But there are people out there who want to find a place like Dalton and live out their career there. There's a coach out there who can coach at a bigger school for more money but chooses to stay in the small town. Sometimes you hire the guy who talks like that, but is gone once the bigger offers come. OR you have the person who would do it, but doesn't have the skill or the personality.

For the guys who have the skill and the personality and want to stay, that turns into the the fault of the culture of the district, the leadership/school board if you can't keep them, IMO.

So for the last three years what would you Dalton folks say has been the case? One of the above? None of the above?

How so. It is hard to keep a successful coach at a small school like Dalton, when better opportunities (pay) arise. Esp. if those coaches did not graduate from that small school. Wasn't Dial HC for 5 years at Dalton? I think some posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[MassillonK1D330]

Bad mix of stepping stone coaches and overly involved parents.

Dalton used to be a sleepy humble farming community, but it’s turning into the Tuslaw mix of wealthy people wanting land for no reason… buying golf carts to get the mail at the end of the driveway to get the mail/garbage instead of sending their kids down there to get it.

Once parents are willing to sit out on the Jimmy & Joe decisions and not hire flashy, good interviewers instead of actual coaches they can get back to business.

Bro I'm sorry I'm not trying to be mean or anything but what does golf carts and wealthy people got to do with a football coach taking a better position? I understand the state of Wooster football but when I say I better position I mean a higher division.

 

[MassillonK1D330]

How so. It is hard to keep a successful coach at a small school like Dalton, when better opportunities (pay) arise. Esp. if those coaches did not graduate from that small school. Wasn't Dial HC for 5 years at Dalton? I think some posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I would love the head coach position at Dalton and I didn't even graduate from there.

 

[perry1480]

Bro I'm sorry I'm not trying to be mean or anything but what does golf carts and wealthy people got to do with a football coach taking a better position? I understand the state of Wooster football but when I say I better position I mean a higher division.

Not sure I follow you.

And I think the reason we don’t follow each other is that we’re not valuing the same things.

People and coaches actually exist out there who place a higher value on the town they live in, the culture of the school district, the relationship they have with the community. And that they can coach with a little freedom and less pressure. Sure, money and notoriety are helpful and nice perks too, but the risk involved in losing the first traits I mentioned is too great for some guys. Good culture and communities don’t exist everywhere. Small schools have to realize this and go out and find the guys who don’t care about the money and notoriety… they exist… and they’re not even unicorns.

 

[perry1480]

How so. It is hard to keep a successful coach at a small school like Dalton, when better opportunities (pay) arise. Esp. if those coaches did not graduate from that small school. Wasn't Dial HC for 5 years at Dalton? I think some posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Again, I suppose we’re not thinking about this the same way. Admittedly I can be a little idealistic when it comes to tenure and longevity.

Why does Tiger Leverde stay at Kirtland? Anytime Massillon fans would grow weary of their past coaches (seems like they got a good one who’s lasted a while now) I would always hear Tiger’s name come up.

Seems to me that Tiger’s not interested in leaving Kirtland. Why? He could make so much more money at a bigger school. I bet some colleges would hire him, and I’m positive he’s had offers from “bigger, better.”

Perhaps he values something else… and perhaps the community is interested in keeping him there, too.

I think it’s worth it for a community like Dalton to get to the bottom of that.

 

[Playoffs???]

No.

Negative 100% that happens

 

[1486wd]

Again, I suppose we’re not thinking about this the same way. Admittedly I can be a little idealistic when it comes to tenure and longevity.

Why does Tiger Leverde stay at Kirtland? Anytime Massillon fans would grow weary of their past coaches (seems like they got a good one who’s lasted a while now) I would always hear Tiger’s name come up.

Seems to me that Tiger’s not interested in leaving Kirtland. Why? He could make so much more money at a bigger school. I bet some colleges would hire him, and I’m positive he’s had offers from “bigger, better.”

Perhaps he values something else… and perhaps the community is interested in keeping him there, too.

I think it’s worth it for a community like Dalton to get to the bottom of that.

While it certainly can happen, it is very rare these days, Laverde is an outlier - he is what everyone would love to have but very rare, so prob not the best example. The best bet for a long-timer is someone from that place. The issue small schools (and a lot of big schools that don’t have great tradition) face is you often don’t have a great applicant that’s an alum. If candidates are anywhere in the ballpark, you take the local guy, but often the clear better candidate is from elsewhere, then you keep your fingers crossed they stay.

 

[bob99]

Beijing Bob 99 - is former Hawaii koach Norm Chow available? @bob99

I think Wooster may have a vested interest in the Dalton coaching hire. Just in case Leek doesn't work out. Coach from Dalton, PE teacher or possible break glass in case of emergency coach from Rittman. Is Wooster getting bully tuff and is in the process of turning the WCAL into their farm system? A whole lot of residential building is going on.

 

[perry1480]

While it certainly can happen, it is very rare these days, Laverde is an outlier - he is what everyone would love to have but very rare, so prob not the best example. The best bet for a long-timer is someone from that place. The issue small schools (and a lot of big schools that don’t have great tradition) face is you often don’t have a great applicant that’s an alum. If candidates are anywhere in the ballpark, you take the local guy, but often the clear better candidate is from elsewhere, then you keep your fingers crossed they stay.

I bet there’s a little bit of both happening… what’s a HS football chat room without some speculation and conjecture?

I bet Tiger is paid really well in Kirtland… but the value is mutual. He values the community, and the community values him.

In Kirtland, neither party is looking to overvalue themselves. I’d have to think that the Broc Dial situation had some kind of self-overvaluing going on. Maybe Dial thought he was worth more than what they were willing to pay him, or maybe Dalton folks thought, “we can do better.” I’m also quite certain it’s not THAT binary… I’m sure it’s more complicated than that.

But I think from a community standpoint, Dalton is much like Kirtland. Some cultural values are frozen in time there. I know for my relatives and even myself when staying out there in the summer… it was a great place to grow up. Some potential coaches want that for their family and value it highly.

 

[perry1480]

While it certainly can happen, it is very rare these days.

I think this is going to start trending in the opposite direction in the next 10 years.

 

[CasualFan24]

@perry1480 Dial would have been a Dalton lifer. He said it from day 1 there, he wanted to build a program and never leave. Wanted to leave a legacy at 1 school. The problem is, the administration at Dalton recognizes that a coach like that wields a certain amount of power in the schools and community and they were never going to let it get to that point.

 

[Raylan_Givens]

I bet there’s a little bit of both happening… what’s a HS football chat room without some speculation and conjecture?

I bet Tiger is paid really well in Kirtland… but the value is mutual. He values the community, and the community values him.

In Kirtland, neither party is looking to overvalue themselves. I’d have to think that the Broc Dial situation had some kind of self-overvaluing going on. Maybe Dial thought he was worth more than what they were willing to pay him, or maybe Dalton folks thought, “we can do better.” I’m also quite certain it’s not THAT binary… I’m sure it’s more complicated than that.

But I think from a community standpoint, Dalton is much like Kirtland. Some cultural values are frozen in time there. I know for my relatives and even myself when staying out there in the summer… it was a great place to grow up. Some potential coaches want that for their family and value it highly.

Both communities are VERY similar. It's also a fact that Dalton has a longer history of success than Kirtland, albeit not at as high a level (more winning season, but obviously less championships).

The major difference is one that very few communities ever have to worry about - how you handle losing on the biggest stage.

Dalton got trounced in the title game by one what will go down in history as one of the greatest dynasties in Ohio HS football history. Almost immediately afterwards there were conversations about coaching shortcomings & Facebook posts from parents telling the kids "it wasn't your fault." We all know how that turned out.

Kirtland was trounced by Coldwater last year in the title game. The only thing that kept that game from being a running clock was Coach Otten's classiness as they called the dogs off. How did the Kirtland faithful react? Made sure their kids got out of bed and were in the weight room the next morning. OK, I'm assuming that last part, but the bottom line is after their worst playoff loss in 20 years (48-0 to Ursuline in 2006) there was no "counseling" of the coach or parents questioning playing time or QB decisions.

Small but subtle reminder that true success is defined as much by how you react to losses as it is by how much you win.

 

[Rich Kotite]

@perry1480 Dial would have been a Dalton lifer. He said it from day 1 there, he wanted to build a program and never leave. Wanted to leave a legacy at 1 school. The problem is, the administration at Dalton recognizes that a coach like that wields a certain amount of power in the schools and community and they were never going to let it get to that point.

Now he's got BellStores and the Mustang Meme Team® at his disposal to build a progrum. He's driving up and down the hills of Kenyon Avenue knowing he's building a Tuslaw legacy.

He very well could become koach/AD at Tuslaw in a couple years. El Lapo can't be AD forever but he will be well known for helping get a turf field from our beloved BellStores and David Foundation & others and for the hiring of Broc Dialosevich.

El Lapo was at least smart enough to not get in the way of these things. Good leadership doesn't get in the way of the good. Quote me on that one.

 

[perry1480]

@perry1480 Dial would have been a Dalton lifer. He said it from day 1 there, he wanted to build a program and never leave. Wanted to leave a legacy at 1 school. The problem is, the administration at Dalton recognizes that a coach like that wields a certain amount of power in the schools and community and they were never going to let it get to that point.

I’ve never understood the power move stuff. The open hands of leaders gets bit sometimes, but when you extend the open hand to people in your community it usually is mutually beneficial.

 

[doubtme]

While it certainly can happen, it is very rare these days, Laverde is an outlier - he is what everyone would love to have but very rare, so prob not the best example. The best bet for a long-timer is someone from that place. The issue small schools (and a lot of big schools that don’t have great tradition) face is you often don’t have a great applicant that’s an alum. If candidates are anywhere in the ballpark, you take the local guy, but often the clear better candidate is from elsewhere, then you keep your fingers crossed they stay.

I think the younger generation is always chasing the bigger bag if you know what I mean. Just look at all the wealth influencers on social media. I don't think you'll find someone younger who will stay long term at a small school that can't pay what bigger districts can

 

[perry1480]

I think the younger generation is always chasing the bigger bag if you know what I mean. Just look at all the wealth influencers on social media. I don't think you'll find someone younger who will stay long term at a small school that can't pay what bigger districts can

You also have the potential for moral values in Dalton where enough parents don’t let their kids have cell phones until high school that your kid isn’t the weirdo for not having one. Which again… some jobs offer intangible benefits like that.

 

[187xovr]

The time that I've been around the program, Dalton parents like the kids have had to go with the flow and have not put up much of a fuss even though its tough having a revolving door of coaches. I think it says a lot about the resiliency and character of the kids which is backed up by how they have produced on the field and court. Here's the revolving door: football, now 3 coaches in three years and basketball 3 coaches in the last 4 years. In the last three years the football team has made it to the regional semifinals, the state championship and the regional finals. In basketball, they have won three straight district titles.

The success they continue to have despite the dysfunction in the district is truly remarkable. As remarkable as it is........it is also very likely over. The talent pipeline has dried up significantly. I think it will be awhile before Dalton can compete for league titles and deep postseason runs in football and boys basketball.

 

[MassillonK1D330]

Again, I suppose we’re not thinking about this the same way. Admittedly I can be a little idealistic when it comes to tenure and longevity.

Why does Tiger Leverde stay at Kirtland? Anytime Massillon fans would grow weary of their past coaches (seems like they got a good one who’s lasted a while now) I would always hear Tiger’s name come up.

Seems to me that Tiger’s not interested in leaving Kirtland. Why? He could make so much more money at a bigger school. I bet some colleges would hire him, and I’m positive he’s had offers from “bigger, better.”

Perhaps he values something else… and perhaps the community is interested in keeping him there, too.

I think it’s worth it for a community like Dalton to get to the bottom of that.

I think that's the difference of other people though some people are willing to take the challenge and going to a bigger school because a lot of coaches feel like it is a challenge but some coaches are content to stay where they are.

 

[Bull GreenDog]

The success they continue to have despite the dysfunction in the district is truly remarkable. As remarkable as it is........it is also very likely over. The talent pipeline has dried up significantly. I think it will be awhile before Dalton can compete for league titles and deep postseason runs in football and boys basketball.

Interesting.Who do you expect to take Dalton's place at the top of the WCAL the next few years?

Will Hillsdale build on their success this year? Or will it be Smithville, Waynedale, or someone else that fills the void?

 

[1486wd]

Interesting.Who do you expect to take Dalton's place at the top of the WCAL the next few years?

Will Hillsdale build on their success this year? Or will it be Smithville, Waynedale, or someone else that fills the void?

I think Dalton will remain in the mix in football. While they will certainly not be as talented as the last 5-8 years, there are still some dudes on the gridiron. Basketball will be a bit of a farther drop imo (not that they will drop to last place in the league or anything like that), but will likely still be in the top half of the league.

Hillsdale was soph and jr heavy last year, they are the clear front runners for football. Norwayne and Dalton will both take a step back, but I still expect both to be solid next year and compete. Smithville has a very good freshman class, and will start to see some of that next year, although I think they still a year away from true contention to win the league. I don’t see any reason for much optimism from anyone else honestly,

 

[WCLfan]

Smithville has a very good freshman class, and will start to see some of that next year, although I think they still a year away from true contention to win the league. I don’t see any reason for much optimism from anyone else honestly,

That class will have to contribute a lot this year and next. Senior class should have talent and depth but the incoming Junior class dressed just 4 players a season ago.

 

[dnis30]

View attachment 79870 the Koach Dalton needs to set the admin straight

Trey Gowdy?

 

[fbrox]

Legit question, it’s kind of late Leeks is taking most of his staff with him, who will be candidates for this job? There is talent there still including the QB.