D7 R27 2025

The Dock said:
Like the great Arena Football League rivalry between the Orlando Predators and the Tampa Bay Storm known as "The War on I-4", we'll know about June 30th if there's indeed going to be a long-term rivalry between an R27 school and its resident poster that would be aptly known as "The War with __ ___"
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To settle a score?

Catch the witness? Catch the wit? Catch the spirit? Catch the spit?

Dock’s 4D posting aside, many wonder how Fisher expects to hit its enrollment goals by 2035 if there are still loose ends to tie up with alumni. Especially if there’s an appearance of bad relations with an alum with sprawling connection offline in Dock.
 
no1rival said:
To settle a score?

Catch the witness? Catch the wit? Catch the spirit? Catch the spit?

Dock’s 4D posting aside, many wonder how Fisher expects to hit its enrollment goals by 2035 if there are still loose ends to tie up with alumni. Especially if there’s an appearance of bad relations with an alum with sprawling connection offline in Dock.
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Largely there. One thing to get ran — doesn’t really matter to me. I’m pretty comfortable with my past. Deal in truths, nothing short of it. Straight-shooting and unrelenting fight forms the mettle, here. So does being smart. Which, I get that a lot. I can find satisfaction elsewhere, like serving on the 501c3 that also happens to be an big thread into generalized FC pride (there’s a reason why those banners are the only one to face the visitors’ side.) A body that values diversity of lived experience, where egos get set aside to work toward a common goal. Where everyone is treated equal, and where the invitation to serve is merit-based… not who you know, who you’re related to, or where you grew up.

But it’s another thing when someone else tries to come back to their Alma’s community in the attempt to give back a year after I stepped away… only for them to get treated like dirt (way worse than I did IMO) before they could even meet someone. For no actual reason. When they didn’t even do anything wrong. Especially when I know that someone, and I know what happened, yeah. Also happens to be one of my close friends of 15+ years. My friends are family, and I take care of those who take care for me.

So it’s less how one person sees another… it’s more “how one person sees how the other treats people they don’t know.” I know what happened, but neither me or my friend are going to hear an owning up to it. Such is the experience of FC to those outside the City of Lancaster, we’ve come to learn.
 
carnholio said:
Someone over there needs to lay off on the PBR.
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Burreaux said:
Just a complete mess and of course per usual derailing the actual topic at hand
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It's a fantastical mindset to think that transferring from Waverly to Eastern would confer a higher profile for athletes (be it for next-level opportunities, media recognition etc.)

For one, the former is named for a village that people with cursory knowledge of Ohio would recognize... the latter is named for a directional. One that is NOT EVEN the only high school of similar size to bear the same name in its own athletic district. As deeply steeped into Ohio knowledge as I am, I had no clue Eastern (Pike County) HS was even a thing before I stumbled onto SEOPS a decade-plus ago. Like, let's put our normie caps atop our heads for a second. At least people are familiar with the name Waverly and the concept of Waverly even if it is either a small dot on the map (in the more benevolent of interpretations) or at worst an inconvenient village to drive through on U.S. 23. People in Ohio and even the tri-state writ large, if they can name three things about Pike County off the top of their head, it's the following: Waverly, Pee Pee Township, and the centrifuge facility. No one is going to say Eastern HS for goodness sakes lolololol.

Even if Eastern was on some tear of Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and an occasional Final Four across a cadre of sports for 5-7 years... that doesn't mean a reputation of athletic prowess gets across to more eyes on them statewide. Setting aside the "Waverly D4 ; Eastern D7... 'smaller school = less competition, not as good'" side, it's a public high school within an area of the state that has a reputation of getting ran in that size classification against peers from the western and northern parts of the state. Russia, Ft. Loramie, Mechanicsburg, Marion Local, New Bremen, Botkins, Hiland.... Eastern? "One of these things, is not like the other." They would not be in the general second-tier of D6/D7 publics east of I-71 when it comes to athletic reputation, either. They're not a Danville, Toronto, Waterford, Trimble, Malvern, Cuyahoga Heights or Strasburg. This is before we even mention the athletics-reputation needle increasingly moving toward the private schools thanks to the Statehouse (has anyone down there considered the grim reality that Eastern could end up being broke down the line with the cuts in state funding?) If I were a D3 college coach tasked with recruiting for any sport that isn't football, and I have limited resources to expend my time watching smallest-of-the-small school ball in SEO, I'd pursue kids at PND and not Eastern. Not because I don't like EP or have anything against the kids, but my job wouldn't be to recruit out of 'feel goods' or 'extending a bridge' -- it'd be to get the kids I have the most reason to believe aren't going to transfer out after one year... as well as pursuing what I would reasonably believe is a higher yield of kids looking to attend four-year college in the first place as opposed to the trades/vocational/two-year program/enlisting.
 
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The Dock said:
If I were a D3 college coach tasked with recruiting for any sport that isn't football, and I have limited resources to expend my time watching smallest-of-the-small school ball in SEO, I'd pursue kids at PND and not Eastern. Not because I don't like EP or have anything against the kids, but my job wouldn't be to recruit out of 'feel goods' or 'extending a bridge' -- it'd be to get the kids I have the most reason to believe aren't going to transfer out after one year... as well as pursuing what I would reasonably believe is a higher yield of kids looking to attend four-year college as opposed to the trades/vocational/two-year program/enlisting.
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And just to stay ahead of a possible unintended interpretation: I would extend this same analogy to FC/FCA versus a place like Berne, or Steubenville Central/Wheeling Central to Shadyside/Bridgeport.
 
Mostly it is just what have you done for me lately or recency bias. Since ‘21 Waverly has saw a decline in all sports across the board with the exception of last springs baseball team that got hot at the right time and made a run. As for eastern they are looking back on one of if not the best athletic school years in the entire history of school.

I will never have an issue with anyone transferring but if Eastern people are saying that these Waverly kids need to transfer to Eastern what does that say about Eastern? I think it says more about them than it does Waverly. As you eluded to Eastern is far down the relative totem pole for teams in SEO for small school football. Most need to realize that there are a VERY few number of kids who play small school football and go on to play mid major or p4 football which is what many in eastern is going to happen
 
The Dock said:
And just to stay ahead of a possible unintended interpretation: I would extend this same analogy to FC/FCA versus a place like Berne, or Steubenville Central/Wheeling Central to Shadyside/Bridgeport.
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Recent WHG Central grad now playing college hoops was WV Player of the Year Candidate (he may have won it?) in 2024. Transferred to Central after his Freshman season. Current WHG Central QB is from Bridgeport. He also makes up 1/5 of their starting 5 in hoops.
Are these kids going there for the college recruiting exposure, to win a cheap WV state title, or both?

On Eastern..I’m going to ruffle some feathers here probably. I first heard of them last season when they played the Tigers. Watched a little bit of the regional finals game they played in. I’ll say this, and I don’t mean to lessen their accomplishments or take jabs at them….their regional finals team wouldn’t even have been a playoff team in the Region 23 landscape I grew up in.
 
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OHfootball3 said:
Recent WHG Central grad now playing college hoops was WV Player of the Year Candidate (he may have won it?) in 2024. Transferred to Central after his Freshman season. Current WHG Central QB is from Bridgeport. He also makes up 1/5 of their starting 5 in hoops. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Central could have 2/5 of their starting 5 be Bpt kids by next year.
Are these kids going there for the college recruiting exposure, to win a cheap WV state title, or both?

On Eastern..I’m going to ruffle some feathers here probably. I first heard of them last season when they played the Tigers. Watched a little bit of the regional finals game they played in. I’ll say this, and I don’t mean to lessen their accomplishments or take jabs at them….their regional finals team wouldn’t even have been a playoff team in the Region 23 landscape I grew up in.
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I'll go as far and say the Region 27 landscape from 2013-2019.
 
Waterford is an automatic contender in this region. Top 2 is Danville and Waterford. As for us, time will tell if our off field struggles bleed onto the field or not..
 
Burreaux said:
Mostly it is just what have you done for me lately or recency bias. Since ‘21 Waverly has saw a decline in all sports across the board with the exception of last springs baseball team that got hot at the right time and made a run. As for eastern they are looking back on one of if not the best athletic school years in the entire history of school.
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That first sentence speaks pretty true up here. I see it both in terms of the following: disregard for tradition, and short-sighted mindsets toward the winning team.

I see the former when I look at how folks talk Cardinal baseball and Fairfield County baseball. 9 MSL’s between ‘03 and ‘21 — ‘03 came in the old old Cardinal with Granville, New Albany and Heath (the Dave Klontz express)… ‘01 finished 10-2 in that iteration of the MSL and snagged a regional title, ‘10 was won against two future big leaguers (Ronnie Dawson - Licking Heights; Astros… Caleb Ferguson - West Jeff; least sh#tty Buccos reliever this year); and now because FC eventually hit their wane (issue of enrollment and structural issues beyond the coach’s grasp) apparently none of that tradition matters to those away from the Route 37 corridor. Soon enough the shine will return to us — everyone who isn’t us within the Card still has a ton of catching up to do… with the hourglass dwindling before we return. We remember those who were classy about the situation, and those who deserve an F/5 a couple years from now.

You can see an example of the latter (with intersection of the first point, too) with the Evil Empire missing playoffs again in ‘24. Two consecutive classes that have the lowest enrollment of boys in school history, creating a wane. Lose two seniors to Granville only to go 9-and-done.

How do you proceed from that?

With us (at least on the baseball side) we don’t resort to “we wuz good at baseball”; that defeats the whole purpose. The school isn’t called Milhouse Catholic for crying out loud. We connect the past to the present. This year we’ll once again have 20+ program alumni breaking out the BESR’s and mitts on a Saturday morning… largest and longest-standing collection of alumni around a singular activity (without cold ones) the school has. The school and community might not give a damn, but it matters more to our pride than a generalized “we’re a small school that does a lot” mantra that’s easier for others to push — especially when it becomes a conflict of which program does heavier lifting for the school past and present.

Up there, it’s the wisdom in repurposing State Titles as points of pride — instead of being lofty expectations.

Going back to your point: it just sucks having to constantly be in the battle of not letting waning periods define how your school(‘s athletic programs) are seen.
Burreaux said:
I will never have an issue with anyone transferring but if Eastern people are saying that these Waverly kids need to transfer to Eastern what does that say about Eastern? I think it says more about them than it does Waverly. As you eluded to Eastern is far down the relative totem pole for teams in SEO for small school football. Most need to realize that there are a VERY few number of kids who play small school football and go on to play mid major or p4 football which is what many in eastern is going to happen
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yeah that kinda reminds me how some Gales people will talk out both sides of their mouth on us — weird how it’s possible to be unconcerned about us while also hoping the school closes in the hopes that our best athletes who come around every three classes will play for a different Rt 37 school (because they badly want their individual ability and skill.)
 
LouHoltz said:
With all the transfers Eastern had I doubt they will drop to D7…..should have a pretty high CB number that will keep them D6
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Love when guys don’t know what they’re talking about. Eastern will be D7, question will be will they change regions or not. Also and I have no idea if it’s been mentioned sorry not going through 16 pages but Millersport isn’t on the schedule that game was replaced by Powell County KY and to be played at Raceland High Schoon from what I’m told.
 
The Dock said:
fellow RC’s, welcome once again to the funhouse that is “there currently isn’t a Pope.” :(

(Now with extra social media and opinions from people who think we go straight to hell, anyways!)
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The amount of those posts I've seen today has been astounding. For all his flaws and thw amount of things I disagreed with him on, Pope Francis seemed to care about his flock. The amount of RCs disparaging him is quite disturbing.

I'm kind of interested in the process though. I was too young to remember the papal conclave from after JP2's passing and the last one was a historical anomaly.
 
State2013-1 said:
The amount of those posts I've seen today has been astounding. For all his flaws and thw amount of things I disagreed with him on, Pope Francis seemed to care about his flock. The amount of RCs disparaging him is quite disturbing.

I'm kind of interested in the process though. I was too young to remember the papal conclave from after JP2's passing and the last one was a historical anomaly.
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You’re probably the first person from yer part of the state I’ve encountered to have said something as gracious as you did on Francis. No disrespect intended — just a polite observation in the ten years and change of the (now-previous) papacy.

My RCs who differ on Francis, no hard feelings (after all… greater Lancaster isn’t exactly Boston when it comes to the preference of good works in living Catholic and general social viewpoints.) The amount of non-RCs with their opinions then and now, whole other story IMO.

I said earlier in this thread that it’ll probably be Cardinal Tagle. Back then I was thinking it’d be a classic (read: painstaking, prolonged and ultimately ‘not pretty’) rivalry in the final ballots between him and Archbishop Besungu. Along the lines of “torch-carrier versus an opposite to Francis.” It seems like Besungu might not have the consolidation of either the African bloc nor the conservative votes.

Benedict XVI stepped down my junior year of HS. In Theology class, we got derailed on learning Conclave procedure because of a) like you mentioned, it was an unusual situation, b) my whole class was already kind of in anticipation and awe of there possibly being a black pope, and c) by the time Francis was selected our teacher was so thoroughly… uh… ‘not thrilled’ with that selection that it basically turned into the below panel henceforth.

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