D3 2025 early outlook.

EagleFan68 said:
In terms of quality & depth, D2 and D3 may be better than D1 next year. Watterson, TCC, and Ursuline are legit.
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A couple months ago I was looking at who had open dates on their schedule for 2025 and it seemed like a lot of the D2 and D3 heavy weights were all open week 2 at that time. Would have been the perfect time to set up a showcase weekend and have Watterson, TCC, Ursuline etc. crossover and face Avon, Hoban, Washington, etc. That type of event in Columbus or Canton is much more appealing to me than these events that draw out of regional powers that don't really travel well. Curious to see who Watterson matches up with in the Ironton Gridiron Classic.
 
Eagle_Panther said:
A couple months ago I was looking at who had open dates on their schedule for 2025 and it seemed like a lot of the D2 and D3 heavy weights were all open week 2 at that time. Would have been the perfect time to set up a showcase weekend and have Watterson, TCC, Ursuline etc. crossover and face Avon, Hoban, Washington, etc. That type of event in Columbus or Canton is much more appealing to me than these events that draw out of regional powers that don't really travel well. Curious to see who Watterson matches up with in the Ironton Gridiron Classic.
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TCC plays Detroit Cass Tech in week 2. They are the defending D1 champion in Michigan.
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
That’s going to be a great game!!!!!! In the Glass or Motor City?
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Home and home I think.

We have the toughest schedule I have ever seen at TCC next year. Combined record of the 9 teams (so far) on the schedule was 76-32 in 2024 with 2 games against defending state champs.

We are playing:
1@ Walsh Jesuit 13-1 Regional Finalist
2vs. Detroit Cass Tech 12-2 State Champ
3(H) Detroit Catholic Central 12-1 State Semi-Finalist
4@ Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) 2-7
5(H) Warren DeLaSalle (MI) 8-3 Regional Finalist
6) OPEN DATE
7@ Toledo St. John's 1-9
8@ Orchard Lake St. Mary's 11-3 State Champ
9(H) Toledo St. Francis 8-4 Regional Quarterfinalist
10(H) Muskegon Mona Shores 9-2 Regional Semi-Finalist
 
CCHS93 said:
Home and home I think.

We have the toughest schedule I have ever seen at TCC next year. Combined record of the 9 teams (so far) on the schedule was 76-32 in 2024 with 2 games against defending state champs.

We are playing:
1@ Walsh Jesuit 13-1 Regional Finalist
2vs. Detroit Cass Tech 12-2 State Champ
3(H) Detroit Catholic Central 12-1 State Semi-Finalist
4@ Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) 2-7
5(H) Warren DeLaSalle (MI) 8-3 Regional Finalist
6) OPEN DATE
7@ Toledo St. John's 1-9
8@ Orchard Lake St. Mary's 11-3 State Champ
9(H) Toledo St. Francis 8-4 Regional Quarterfinalist
10(H) Muskegon Mona Shores 9-2 Regional Semi-Finalist
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That’s brutal but it’s going to be fun. Didn’t Cass and Central Catholic play in the playoffs?
 
Region 9- Ursuline is heavy favorite- Gilmour, Aurora, Chardon, Kenston and others may be down a little.

Region 10- TCC overwhelmingly.

Region 11- Watterson

Region 12- Wide open- with Wapak and London the early favorites
 
CCHS93 said:
Home and home I think.

We have the toughest schedule I have ever seen at TCC next year. Combined record of the 9 teams (so far) on the schedule was 76-32 in 2024 with 2 games against defending state champs.

We are playing:
1@ Walsh Jesuit 13-1 Regional Finalist
2vs. Detroit Cass Tech 12-2 State Champ
3(H) Detroit Catholic Central 12-1 State Semi-Finalist
4@ Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) 2-7
5(H) Warren DeLaSalle (MI) 8-3 Regional Finalist
6) OPEN DATE
7@ Toledo St. John's 1-9
8@ Orchard Lake St. Mary's 11-3 State Champ
9(H) Toledo St. Francis 8-4 Regional Quarterfinalist
10(H) Muskegon Mona Shores 9-2 Regional Semi-Finalist
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Love it. Zero ducking going on at TCC. Respect
 
Rack162 said:
Big Red lost 32 kids from their 2023 D4 state semi-final team, 17 of them seniors, and 13 of them were starters. The 2024 team will lose 18 seniors, 13 of them starters (P included). Hopefully they don't lose a bunch of guys in the portal or to their #1 sport this offseason.

They have a lot of talent returning, but if you're correct about the top QB returning on the depth chart, that's a huge concern because he's really good and they have 6 very talented pass catchers returning.

With Hython, Crosier, West, and Henderson in the backfield, I don't think they need to rush #22 back if he's not 100% or whatever healthy means to him at this point. I also think he won't be needed to play as much LB in 2025.

Its always going to be a tall task for a D3 public to win a D3 title; you really need a loaded team to do that.
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Only 7 public schools have won D3 championships in the last 25 years.

Chardon 2x (Defeated Desales & Badin)
Steubenville 2x (Defeated Desales & Alter)
Trotwood Madison 2x (Defeated Tri-Valley & Mansfield)
Aurora (Defeated Eastmoor)
Big Walnut (Defeated Licking Valley)
Canfield (Defeated Bloom Carroll)
Kenston (Defeated Alter)
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I am a BR supporter. It’s unbelievable how the machine keep rolling year after years.

What you thinking about the 5 opened enrolled dates left to fill??
 
CCHS93 said:
Home and home I think.

We have the toughest schedule I have ever seen at TCC next year. Combined record of the 9 teams (so far) on the schedule was 76-32 in 2024 with 2 games against defending state champs.

We are playing:
1@ Walsh Jesuit 13-1 Regional Finalist
2vs. Detroit Cass Tech 12-2 State Champ
3(H) Detroit Catholic Central 12-1 State Semi-Finalist
4@ Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) 2-7
5(H) Warren DeLaSalle (MI) 8-3 Regional Finalist
6) OPEN DATE
7@ Toledo St. John's 1-9
8@ Orchard Lake St. Mary's 11-3 State Champ
9(H) Toledo St. Francis 8-4 Regional Quarterfinalist
10(H) Muskegon Mona Shores 9-2 Regional Semi-Finalist
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Is TCC unable to get Ohio schools to schedule them? It's a shame to see 6 of the 9 opponents from that state up north. :)
 
They did play Findlay, Whitmer, and St. Ignatius the last couple years. All 3 would not renew for this year. We also scrimmage Hoban and St. Ed's. A gauntlet for sure.
 
raising4daughters said:
Is TCC unable to get Ohio schools to schedule them? It's a shame to see 6 of the 9 opponents from that state up north. :)
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As Tarblooder said, we are in the Detroit Catholic High School League, which is the largest private school league in the country with 33 schools with a mixture of coed, all girls, and all boys. For football, the league is divided into 4 divisions based on size and program quality: Central (the best division), AA, Intersectional 1, and Intersectional 2. The league produced 2 state champions this year in Orchard Lake St. Mary's in D2 and Jackson Lumen Christi in D6. Detroit Catholic Central was a state semi-finalist in D1.

TCC had been in the Three Rivers Athletic Conference (TRAC) for the entirety of its existence (2011-2022). We had pretty much dominated the conference with Toledo Whitmer being the strongest competition. During that time, TCC lost only 4 conference games (2 to Whitmer and 1 each to Toledo St. John's and Findlay). As the game of football changed with numbers dropping, good players wanting to play in successful programs, increased player mobility, and the expansion of the voucher program, TCC was able to become the dominant football power in Northwest Ohio.

There was always a stigma against Central, even when I went there in the 90's. Many of the suburban schools and the other Catholic schools in the area would insultingly call it 'Central Public'. Central is in an old area of the city and the feeder neighborhoods in its immediate vicinity changed significantly from the 60's to the 80's with white flight (many rust belt cities experienced the turmoil of that time). Central still had many feeder schools in the extended areas within Toledo throughout the 80's and 90's.

As Toledo lost 100,000 people the people that may have sent their kids to Central moved to the suburbs and sent their kids to the large suburban publics in bigger numbers. The feeder schools for Central got smaller and smaller and fewer and fewer. As time went on, enrollment declined from around 1400 when I was there to around 650 today.

To combat the enrollment decline, Central started accepting kids from Ohio's voucher program pretty early on. In the first iteration of the program, the families sending their kids to Central were from failing school districts; typically TPS. The second iteration allowed families making under $x amount to get a voucher. Those two programs meant that Central had a higher percentage of lower income families, many of whom were minority. Central was probably 25%-33% minority when I was there. It is probably 50%-66% now.

In Toledo, the CYO football program folded maybe 6 years ago. This left only 2 leagues that I know of in the city in the TPS boundaries: the Stars League and the Mid-City League. My kids are older now, so I am not sure if those two are still around. Many of the kids in those leagues were minorities. As TCC got better in football, a trickle of kids would go to Central. Those kids' younger brothers and cousins would follow over the years. With the decline in numbers and decline in the quality of TPS football, Central gets the lion share of these kids.

With Central's success and the perception that some had of its students, the suburban public schools were getting frustrated. The movement to kick the Catholic schools out of the TRAC got going in earnest with the Superintendent of Washington Local Schools (Toledo Whitmer). I don't remember her name, but she was vehemently anti-Catholic school (in my opinion). She was the one who led the TRAC publics to join the Northern Lakes League. Curiously, they left out Lima Senior.

Because of Central's success, they have made their fair share of enemies on the gridiron. If not enemies, then most schools don't ever want to play them. Surprisingly, after the dissolution of the TRAC, Toledo Whitmer and Findlay scheduled TCC as out of conference games in 2023 and 2024. The large suburban schools near Toledo, Anthony Wayne and Perrysburg, don't want anything to do with Central; despite many CCHS alum living in those districts.

TCC was forced to find somewhere to play. So the Detroit Catholic League offered membership to 5 of the Toledo Catholic schools: Toledo Central Catholic, Toledo St. Francis, Toledo St. John's, Toledo Notre Dame, and Toledo St. Ursula. At this point, TCC is forced to play other 'ostracized' teams that have trouble scheduling. They played St. Ed's and St. Ignatius a couple of times. I like the Walsh game as well. I'm hoping they schedule Massillon as well. Some suburban publics around the state won't mind scheduling them. Avon comes to mind. But many won't.

So that is the very long story as to why TCC is in the Detroit Catholic High School League.
 
CCHS93 said:
As Tarblooder said, we are in the Detroit Catholic High School League, which is the largest private school league in the country with 33 schools with a mixture of coed, all girls, and all boys. For football, the league is divided into 4 divisions based on size and program quality: Central (the best division), AA, Intersectional 1, and Intersectional 2. The league produced 2 state champions this year in Orchard Lake St. Mary's in D2 and Jackson Lumen Christi in D6. Detroit Catholic Central was a state semi-finalist in D1.

TCC had been in the Three Rivers Athletic Conference (TRAC) for the entirety of its existence (2011-2022). We had pretty much dominated the conference with Toledo Whitmer being the strongest competition. During that time, TCC lost only 4 conference games (2 to Whitmer and 1 each to Toledo St. John's and Findlay). As the game of football changed with numbers dropping, good players wanting to play in successful programs, increased player mobility, and the expansion of the voucher program, TCC was able to become the dominant football power in Northwest Ohio.

There was always a stigma against Central, even when I went there in the 90's. Many of the suburban schools and the other Catholic schools in the area would insultingly call it 'Central Public'. Central is in an old area of the city and the feeder neighborhoods in its immediate vicinity changed significantly from the 60's to the 80's with white flight (many rust belt cities experienced the turmoil of that time). Central still had many feeder schools in the extended areas within Toledo throughout the 80's and 90's.

As Toledo lost 100,000 people the people that may have sent their kids to Central moved to the suburbs and sent their kids to the large suburban publics in bigger numbers. The feeder schools for Central got smaller and smaller and fewer and fewer. As time went on, enrollment declined from around 1400 when I was there to around 650 today.

To combat the enrollment decline, Central started accepting kids from Ohio's voucher program pretty early on. In the first iteration of the program, the families sending their kids to Central were from failing school districts; typically TPS. The second iteration allowed families making under $x amount to get a voucher. Those two programs meant that Central had a higher percentage of lower income families, many of whom were minority. Central was probably 25%-33% minority when I was there. It is probably 50%-66% now.

In Toledo, the CYO football program folded maybe 6 years ago. This left only 2 leagues that I know of in the city in the TPS boundaries: the Stars League and the Mid-City League. My kids are older now, so I am not sure if those two are still around. Many of the kids in those leagues were minorities. As TCC got better in football, a trickle of kids would go to Central. Those kids' younger brothers and cousins would follow over the years. With the decline in numbers and decline in the quality of TPS football, Central gets the lion share of these kids.

With Central's success and the perception that some had of its students, the suburban public schools were getting frustrated. The movement to kick the Catholic schools out of the TRAC got going in earnest with the Superintendent of Washington Local Schools (Toledo Whitmer). I don't remember her name, but she was vehemently anti-Catholic school (in my opinion). She was the one who led the TRAC publics to join the Northern Lakes League. Curiously, they left out Lima Senior.

Because of Central's success, they have made their fair share of enemies on the gridiron. If not enemies, then most schools don't ever want to play them. Surprisingly, after the dissolution of the TRAC, Toledo Whitmer and Findlay scheduled TCC as out of conference games in 2023 and 2024. The large suburban schools near Toledo, Anthony Wayne and Perrysburg, don't want anything to do with Central; despite many CCHS alum living in those districts.

TCC was forced to find somewhere to play. So the Detroit Catholic League offered membership to 5 of the Toledo Catholic schools: Toledo Central Catholic, Toledo St. Francis, Toledo St. John's, Toledo Notre Dame, and Toledo St. Ursula. At this point, TCC is forced to play other 'ostracized' teams that have trouble scheduling. They played St. Ed's and St. Ignatius a couple of times. I like the Walsh game as well. I'm hoping they schedule Massillon as well. Some suburban publics around the state won't mind scheduling them. Avon comes to mind. But many won't.

So that is the very long story as to why TCC is in the Detroit Catholic High School League.
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Thanks! Great insight that many of us outside NW Ohio wouldn't know.
 
CCHS93 said:
As Tarblooder said, we are in the Detroit Catholic High School League, which is the largest private school league in the country with 33 schools with a mixture of coed, all girls, and all boys. For football, the league is divided into 4 divisions based on size and program quality: Central (the best division), AA, Intersectional 1, and Intersectional 2. The league produced 2 state champions this year in Orchard Lake St. Mary's in D2 and Jackson Lumen Christi in D6. Detroit Catholic Central was a state semi-finalist in D1.

TCC had been in the Three Rivers Athletic Conference (TRAC) for the entirety of its existence (2011-2022). We had pretty much dominated the conference with Toledo Whitmer being the strongest competition. During that time, TCC lost only 4 conference games (2 to Whitmer and 1 each to Toledo St. John's and Findlay). As the game of football changed with numbers dropping, good players wanting to play in successful programs, increased player mobility, and the expansion of the voucher program, TCC was able to become the dominant football power in Northwest Ohio.

There was always a stigma against Central, even when I went there in the 90's. Many of the suburban schools and the other Catholic schools in the area would insultingly call it 'Central Public'. Central is in an old area of the city and the feeder neighborhoods in its immediate vicinity changed significantly from the 60's to the 80's with white flight (many rust belt cities experienced the turmoil of that time). Central still had many feeder schools in the extended areas within Toledo throughout the 80's and 90's.

As Toledo lost 100,000 people the people that may have sent their kids to Central moved to the suburbs and sent their kids to the large suburban publics in bigger numbers. The feeder schools for Central got smaller and smaller and fewer and fewer. As time went on, enrollment declined from around 1400 when I was there to around 650 today.

To combat the enrollment decline, Central started accepting kids from Ohio's voucher program pretty early on. In the first iteration of the program, the families sending their kids to Central were from failing school districts; typically TPS. The second iteration allowed families making under $x amount to get a voucher. Those two programs meant that Central had a higher percentage of lower income families, many of whom were minority. Central was probably 25%-33% minority when I was there. It is probably 50%-66% now.

In Toledo, the CYO football program folded maybe 6 years ago. This left only 2 leagues that I know of in the city in the TPS boundaries: the Stars League and the Mid-City League. My kids are older now, so I am not sure if those two are still around. Many of the kids in those leagues were minorities. As TCC got better in football, a trickle of kids would go to Central. Those kids' younger brothers and cousins would follow over the years. With the decline in numbers and decline in the quality of TPS football, Central gets the lion share of these kids.

With Central's success and the perception that some had of its students, the suburban public schools were getting frustrated. The movement to kick the Catholic schools out of the TRAC got going in earnest with the Superintendent of Washington Local Schools (Toledo Whitmer). I don't remember her name, but she was vehemently anti-Catholic school (in my opinion). She was the one who led the TRAC publics to join the Northern Lakes League. Curiously, they left out Lima Senior.

Because of Central's success, they have made their fair share of enemies on the gridiron. If not enemies, then most schools don't ever want to play them. Surprisingly, after the dissolution of the TRAC, Toledo Whitmer and Findlay scheduled TCC as out of conference games in 2023 and 2024. The large suburban schools near Toledo, Anthony Wayne and Perrysburg, don't want anything to do with Central; despite many CCHS alum living in those districts.

TCC was forced to find somewhere to play. So the Detroit Catholic League offered membership to 5 of the Toledo Catholic schools: Toledo Central Catholic, Toledo St. Francis, Toledo St. John's, Toledo Notre Dame, and Toledo St. Ursula. At this point, TCC is forced to play other 'ostracized' teams that have trouble scheduling. They played St. Ed's and St. Ignatius a couple of times. I like the Walsh game as well. I'm hoping they schedule Massillon as well. Some suburban publics around the state won't mind scheduling them. Avon comes to mind. But many won't.

So that is the very long story as to why TCC is in the Detroit Catholic High School League.
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Glenville and TCC would be exceptional.
 
CCHS93 said:
As Tarblooder said, we are in the Detroit Catholic High School League, which is the largest private school league in the country with 33 schools with a mixture of coed, all girls, and all boys. For football, the league is divided into 4 divisions based on size and program quality: Central (the best division), AA, Intersectional 1, and Intersectional 2. The league produced 2 state champions this year in Orchard Lake St. Mary's in D2 and Jackson Lumen Christi in D6. Detroit Catholic Central was a state semi-finalist in D1.

TCC had been in the Three Rivers Athletic Conference (TRAC) for the entirety of its existence (2011-2022). We had pretty much dominated the conference with Toledo Whitmer being the strongest competition. During that time, TCC lost only 4 conference games (2 to Whitmer and 1 each to Toledo St. John's and Findlay). As the game of football changed with numbers dropping, good players wanting to play in successful programs, increased player mobility, and the expansion of the voucher program, TCC was able to become the dominant football power in Northwest Ohio.

There was always a stigma against Central, even when I went there in the 90's. Many of the suburban schools and the other Catholic schools in the area would insultingly call it 'Central Public'. Central is in an old area of the city and the feeder neighborhoods in its immediate vicinity changed significantly from the 60's to the 80's with white flight (many rust belt cities experienced the turmoil of that time). Central still had many feeder schools in the extended areas within Toledo throughout the 80's and 90's.

As Toledo lost 100,000 people the people that may have sent their kids to Central moved to the suburbs and sent their kids to the large suburban publics in bigger numbers. The feeder schools for Central got smaller and smaller and fewer and fewer. As time went on, enrollment declined from around 1400 when I was there to around 650 today.

To combat the enrollment decline, Central started accepting kids from Ohio's voucher program pretty early on. In the first iteration of the program, the families sending their kids to Central were from failing school districts; typically TPS. The second iteration allowed families making under $x amount to get a voucher. Those two programs meant that Central had a higher percentage of lower income families, many of whom were minority. Central was probably 25%-33% minority when I was there. It is probably 50%-66% now.

In Toledo, the CYO football program folded maybe 6 years ago. This left only 2 leagues that I know of in the city in the TPS boundaries: the Stars League and the Mid-City League. My kids are older now, so I am not sure if those two are still around. Many of the kids in those leagues were minorities. As TCC got better in football, a trickle of kids would go to Central. Those kids' younger brothers and cousins would follow over the years. With the decline in numbers and decline in the quality of TPS football, Central gets the lion share of these kids.

With Central's success and the perception that some had of its students, the suburban public schools were getting frustrated. The movement to kick the Catholic schools out of the TRAC got going in earnest with the Superintendent of Washington Local Schools (Toledo Whitmer). I don't remember her name, but she was vehemently anti-Catholic school (in my opinion). She was the one who led the TRAC publics to join the Northern Lakes League. Curiously, they left out Lima Senior.

Because of Central's success, they have made their fair share of enemies on the gridiron. If not enemies, then most schools don't ever want to play them. Surprisingly, after the dissolution of the TRAC, Toledo Whitmer and Findlay scheduled TCC as out of conference games in 2023 and 2024. The large suburban schools near Toledo, Anthony Wayne and Perrysburg, don't want anything to do with Central; despite many CCHS alum living in those districts.

TCC was forced to find somewhere to play. So the Detroit Catholic League offered membership to 5 of the Toledo Catholic schools: Toledo Central Catholic, Toledo St. Francis, Toledo St. John's, Toledo Notre Dame, and Toledo St. Ursula. At this point, TCC is forced to play other 'ostracized' teams that have trouble scheduling. They played St. Ed's and St. Ignatius a couple of times. I like the Walsh game as well. I'm hoping they schedule Massillon as well. Some suburban publics around the state won't mind scheduling them. Avon comes to mind. But many won't.

So that is the very long story as to why TCC is in the Detroit Catholic High School League.
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“There was always a stigma against Central, even when I went there in the 90's. Many of the suburban schools and the other Catholic schools in the area would insultingly call it 'Central Public'. Central is in an old area of the city and the feeder neighborhoods in its immediate vicinity changed significantly from the 60's to the 80's with white flight (many rust belt cities experienced the turmoil of that time).”

Sad but true, a sad truth.
 
Bidenomics said:
I am a BR supporter. It’s unbelievable how the machine keep rolling year after years.

What you thinking about the 5 opened enrolled dates left to fill??
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1. (H) Youngstown Ursuline
2. (H) Dunbar (DC)
3. OPEN
4. (H) Cardinal Mooney
5. (A) Linsly
6. (A) Dover
7. (H) Farell (PA)
8. (H) Huron Heights (Canada)
9. (H) Erie McDowell (PA)
10. (H) Wheeling Park (WV)
 
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CCHS93 said:
Home and home I think.

We have the toughest schedule I have ever seen at TCC next year. Combined record of the 9 teams (so far) on the schedule was 76-32 in 2024 with 2 games against defending state champs.

We are playing:
1@ Walsh Jesuit 13-1 Regional Finalist
2vs. Detroit Cass Tech 12-2 State Champ
3(H) Detroit Catholic Central 12-1 State Semi-Finalist
4@ Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) 2-7
5(H) Warren DeLaSalle (MI) 8-3 Regional Finalist
6) OPEN DATE
7@ Toledo St. John's 1-9
8@ Orchard Lake St. Mary's 11-3 State Champ
9(H) Toledo St. Francis 8-4 Regional Quarterfinalist
10(H) Muskegon Mona Shores 9-2 Regional Semi-Finalist
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Update: Week 6 is at River Rouge, MI. They are a good program that, I believe, plays an independent schedule. They were 6-5 last year but were far better than their record.
 
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