After the Glenoak Game, Hoover is currently 13th in the computer points (top 8 make playoffs). Clearly playing a D4 and D3 team to start the year is REALLY hurting us in the standings at this point. I was wondering if someone smarter than I with these computer points (Levi) could analyze our current situation and give us some feel for what it would take to make the playoffs and how many of the three remaining games we need to win. I know Perry would load us up with points so I assume that is a must win. Thanks.
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runnaman24
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I think if we beat Perry and Jackson we are in because they give a ton of computer points. But if we lose one of those, we might be lucky to make it in. Im not sure of the points though.
CB is back
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Pretty simple gotta win out. If Hoover loses to fitch then i dont see Hoover beating both perry and jackson so it is irrelevent. If we do win out there is a slight possibility of getting a home game, but from my calculations, it looks like Hoover will end up 4-5, if Hoover wins out.
I agree, but maybe they should schedule a D1 or D2 team in place of CCC when the contract runs out. There are so many good teams around here in higher divisions that I would love to play. I also didn't realize that DC Coolidge was bumped up to D2 this year. While I don't like playing them (all the cheap shots and dirty play), at least they are a confidence booster. We can normally count on CCC and Louisville to help us out with points, but they are having tough years.
CCC went how far last year into the playoffs? THis year is just down year for them. How many years does Luoisville go to the playoffs? This year is just a down year for them.
But, I think we first need to win this Friday and then take it week by week.
Ask me on OCTOBER 30 AND i'LL TELL YA IF WE MAKE IT INTO THE PLAYOFFS.
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But, I think we first need to win this Friday and then take it week by week.
Ask me on OCTOBER 30 AND i'LL TELL YA IF WE MAKE IT INTO THE PLAYOFFS.
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Goalpost
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Like Big O said, it's not so much that CCC & Louisville are D4&2, but that the record of the teams the Vikes have defeated is currently 11-23.
Based on my predictions (fair at best), I have the Vikes finishing @ 18.1924 which would have qualified as the 8 seed only once in the last six years in R2. Some of my assumptions were the Vikes defeating Fitch & Jackson, while losing to Perry. Take a look at my predictions. They're almost in have to win out mode barring upsets (Fitch, GO over lake for instance). If they win out they're (IMO) definitely in. Perry & Jackson are loaded with delicious level 2's. DickG probably has Donny abreast of the situation....Go Hoover, Foil Fitch.....
10 99
hoover division l1 division pts potential l2 actual l2
w ccc 4 4.5 4.5 25.5 25.5
w coolige 2 5.5 5.5 16.5 16.5
w louisville 2 5.5 5.5 20 20
l mck 1 0 6 59 0
w bdman 1 6 6 10 10
l lake 2 0 5.5 40.5 0
w go 1 6 6 17.5 17.5
w af 1 6 6 22 22
l perry 1 0 6 52 0
w jackson 1 6 6 29.5 29.5
39.5 141
3.95 14.24242424 18.1924
ccc
l hoover 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
w ndo 1 6 6
w ellet 2 5.5 5.5
l chanel 5 0 4
l beaver 3 0 5
w ursuline 4 4.5 4.5
w wwilson 2 5.5 5.5
l ville 3 0 5
w sta 5 4 4
25.5
coolidge
l hoover 2 0 5.5
w eastern 2 5.5 5.5
l dematha 2 0 5.5
l hwilson 2 0 5.5
w anacostia 2 5.5 5.5
l wilson 2 0 5.5
l martinsburg 2 0 5.5
l dunbar 2 0 5.5
w cardozo 2 5.5 5.5
roosevelt 2 0 5.5
16.5
louisville
w pol 3 5 5
l lake 2 0 5.5
l hoover 1 0 6
l alliance 2 0 5.5
w marlington 3 5 5
l south 3 0 5
l nw 3 0 5
l wbranch 3 0 5
w carrolton 3 5 5
w minerva 3 5 5
20
mck
w start 1 6 6
w waterdown 2 5.5 5.5
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w hoover 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
w perry 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
w jackson 1 6 6
w Massillon 1 6 6
59
boardman
l sti 1 0 6
w roosevelt 3 5 5
w chaney 3 5 5
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
l mck 1 0 6
l go 1 0 6
l fitch 1 0 6
10
lake
w copley 2 5.5 5.5
w louisville 2 5.5 5.5
l mck 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
w hoover 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
w rayen 2 5.5 5.5
40.5
go
l hudson 1 0 6
w garfld 2 5.5 5.5
w wooster 1 6 6
l fitch 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
w bdman 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
17.5
af
w chaney 3 5 5
w buchtel 3 5 5
l ursulin 4 0 4.5
w go 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
w bdman 1 6 6
22
perry
w wooster 1 6 6
w ccc 4 4.5 4.5
w darby 1 6 6
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w af 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
l mck 1 0 6
w jackson 1 6 6
w hoover 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
52
jackson
l wville so 1 0 6
l ndnia 2 0 5.5
w hudson 1 6 6
w bmn 1 6 6
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
29.5
Based on my predictions (fair at best), I have the Vikes finishing @ 18.1924 which would have qualified as the 8 seed only once in the last six years in R2. Some of my assumptions were the Vikes defeating Fitch & Jackson, while losing to Perry. Take a look at my predictions. They're almost in have to win out mode barring upsets (Fitch, GO over lake for instance). If they win out they're (IMO) definitely in. Perry & Jackson are loaded with delicious level 2's. DickG probably has Donny abreast of the situation....Go Hoover, Foil Fitch.....
10 99
hoover division l1 division pts potential l2 actual l2
w ccc 4 4.5 4.5 25.5 25.5
w coolige 2 5.5 5.5 16.5 16.5
w louisville 2 5.5 5.5 20 20
l mck 1 0 6 59 0
w bdman 1 6 6 10 10
l lake 2 0 5.5 40.5 0
w go 1 6 6 17.5 17.5
w af 1 6 6 22 22
l perry 1 0 6 52 0
w jackson 1 6 6 29.5 29.5
39.5 141
3.95 14.24242424 18.1924
ccc
l hoover 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
w ndo 1 6 6
w ellet 2 5.5 5.5
l chanel 5 0 4
l beaver 3 0 5
w ursuline 4 4.5 4.5
w wwilson 2 5.5 5.5
l ville 3 0 5
w sta 5 4 4
25.5
coolidge
l hoover 2 0 5.5
w eastern 2 5.5 5.5
l dematha 2 0 5.5
l hwilson 2 0 5.5
w anacostia 2 5.5 5.5
l wilson 2 0 5.5
l martinsburg 2 0 5.5
l dunbar 2 0 5.5
w cardozo 2 5.5 5.5
roosevelt 2 0 5.5
16.5
louisville
w pol 3 5 5
l lake 2 0 5.5
l hoover 1 0 6
l alliance 2 0 5.5
w marlington 3 5 5
l south 3 0 5
l nw 3 0 5
l wbranch 3 0 5
w carrolton 3 5 5
w minerva 3 5 5
20
mck
w start 1 6 6
w waterdown 2 5.5 5.5
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w hoover 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
w perry 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
w jackson 1 6 6
w Massillon 1 6 6
59
boardman
l sti 1 0 6
w roosevelt 3 5 5
w chaney 3 5 5
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
l mck 1 0 6
l go 1 0 6
l fitch 1 0 6
10
lake
w copley 2 5.5 5.5
w louisville 2 5.5 5.5
l mck 1 0 6
l perry 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
w hoover 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
w rayen 2 5.5 5.5
40.5
go
l hudson 1 0 6
w garfld 2 5.5 5.5
w wooster 1 6 6
l fitch 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
w bdman 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
17.5
af
w chaney 3 5 5
w buchtel 3 5 5
l ursulin 4 0 4.5
w go 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l jackson 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
l lake 2 0 5.5
w bdman 1 6 6
22
perry
w wooster 1 6 6
w ccc 4 4.5 4.5
w darby 1 6 6
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w af 1 6 6
w bman 1 6 6
l mck 1 0 6
w jackson 1 6 6
w hoover 1 6 6
w go 1 6 6
52
jackson
l wville so 1 0 6
l ndnia 2 0 5.5
w hudson 1 6 6
w bmn 1 6 6
w lake 2 5.5 5.5
w go 1 6 6
w af 1 6 6
l perry 1 0 6
l mck 1 0 6
l hoover 1 0 6
29.5
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I haven't completely broken everything down with points, but if wee beat Perry we have a decent chance at making the playoffs even with a loss to Jackson. If we beat Jackson and lose to Perry we are pretty much left for dead, we would need more than a miracle. Massillon, Jackson and Wadsworth those are the teams that we need to lose. Massillon could lose tonight but if they beat MCKinley they are probably in. Wadsworth needs to beat Tallmadge in week 10 to get in. Jackson has to win both games to get in. I will reassess the Toledo teams as there are 1 if not 2 competing for those bottom 4 spots.
Goalpost
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If we lose to Perry and defeat Jackson, I have the Vikes @ 19.2530--still very shaky ground. I had Louisville losing to WB & GO losing to Lake, so that helped ~1.06 pts. I have Fitch losing to Lake, if that changes this week that would benefit another 0.5556 points. Also, I have coolidge losing in (our) week 9 and winning in week 10.
If Hoover defeats Perry and loses to Jackson, I arrive @ 20.9197, better, but still shaky.
If Hoover defeats Perry and loses to Jackson, I arrive @ 20.9197, better, but still shaky.
I think Hoover’s L2 divisor as of now should be 98 due to the cancellation of the DC games last weekend. It could drop to 97 if the situation in DC causes cancellations again next week. Massillon’s divisor should drop to 93 and possibly 92. Not that it makes any big deal but if the reduced divisors are used to calculate this weeks rankings Hoover and Massillon flip flop. Massillon would be around 0.02 points ahead of Hoover. Eitel has Hoover #10 with a 99 divisor and Massillon #11 with a 94 divisor. It will be interesting to see what impact the lower divisor has on the final rankings.
Goalpost. I was wrong about our divisor dropping this week. Coolidge played a West Virginia team and lost 49-0. Hoover’s divisor stays at 99. If Coolidge doesn’t play nest week it will drop to 98. Coolidge has 2 more games that could help Hoover both against DC teams. 10-20 against Dunbar witch will probably be a loss and 10-27 against Cardozo . They may have a chance for a win over Cardozo. Coolidges last game of the year doesn’t count towards the Ohio rankings. I am pretty sure Massillon’s L2 divisor should have dropped at least one point because the team they played from DC had their game cancelled.
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polar_purple
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Unfortunately for the Vikings, the situation is very dismal after the loss to Perry, but it is still possible - assuming miracles happen. Here is what MUST go down:
1. The Vikes must beat Jackson, period.
2. Seven of the following teams MUST lose: Massillon, St. John's, Whitmer, Perrysburg, Wadsworth, Hudson, Elyria, Steele, and Toledo Start. To make matters worse, at least four of these teams HAVE to be part of those seven - Massillon, St. John's, Hudson, Wadsworth, Perrysburg, and Whitmer. If just three of those six win, it doesn't matter what Start, Steele & Elyria do.
3. Lastly, any L2's that you can pick up, and any L2's that can be foregone by other top-ranked teams would be helpful. There's too many to name, but even if you succeed with #1 and #2, this one may keep you out by a mere point or less.
1. The Vikes must beat Jackson, period.
2. Seven of the following teams MUST lose: Massillon, St. John's, Whitmer, Perrysburg, Wadsworth, Hudson, Elyria, Steele, and Toledo Start. To make matters worse, at least four of these teams HAVE to be part of those seven - Massillon, St. John's, Hudson, Wadsworth, Perrysburg, and Whitmer. If just three of those six win, it doesn't matter what Start, Steele & Elyria do.
3. Lastly, any L2's that you can pick up, and any L2's that can be foregone by other top-ranked teams would be helpful. There's too many to name, but even if you succeed with #1 and #2, this one may keep you out by a mere point or less.
OK, so let's take a look at who those teams play...
1. Massillon plays McKinley - Advantage McKinley
2. Toledo St. John's plays 9-0 Toledo Central Catholic - Advantage Central Catholic
3. Toledo Whitmer plays Toledo Start - Advantage Whitmer
4. Perrysburg plays Sylvania Southview - Close game, but advantage Perrysburg
5. Wadsworth plays Tallmadge - too close to call :/
6. Hudson plays Nordonia - Advantage Nordonia
7. Elyria plays Medina - Close, but advantage Medina
8. Steele plays Avon Lake - too close to call :/
9. Toledo Start plays Toledo Whitmer - Advantage Whitmer
- 5 probable helping results
- Only 2 probable hurting results
- 2 that are too close to call
OK, for the L2s we need to look at the teams we have beaten...
CCC plays St Thomas Aquinas - too close to call :/
Collidge plays Cardozo - who knows? :/
Louisville plays Minerva - Advantage Louisville
Boardman plays Fitch - It would help slightly more if Fitch wins this game :/
Glenoak plays Perry - Advantage Perry
Looks like it is possible to pull off the first part, but the L2s are very questionable. Let's all root for Tallmadge and Avon Lake and hope we get some wins by the teams we have beaten.
1. Massillon plays McKinley - Advantage McKinley
2. Toledo St. John's plays 9-0 Toledo Central Catholic - Advantage Central Catholic
3. Toledo Whitmer plays Toledo Start - Advantage Whitmer
4. Perrysburg plays Sylvania Southview - Close game, but advantage Perrysburg
5. Wadsworth plays Tallmadge - too close to call :/
6. Hudson plays Nordonia - Advantage Nordonia
7. Elyria plays Medina - Close, but advantage Medina
8. Steele plays Avon Lake - too close to call :/
9. Toledo Start plays Toledo Whitmer - Advantage Whitmer
- 5 probable helping results
- Only 2 probable hurting results
- 2 that are too close to call
OK, for the L2s we need to look at the teams we have beaten...
CCC plays St Thomas Aquinas - too close to call :/
Collidge plays Cardozo - who knows? :/
Louisville plays Minerva - Advantage Louisville
Boardman plays Fitch - It would help slightly more if Fitch wins this game :/
Glenoak plays Perry - Advantage Perry
Looks like it is possible to pull off the first part, but the L2s are very questionable. Let's all root for Tallmadge and Avon Lake and hope we get some wins by the teams we have beaten.
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polar_purple
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Some clarifications to what I said (found at least one minor error in my #'s), plus CB is back got me to thinking about some more things:
McK, Ross, Perry, Brunswick and Medina will all finish better than Hoover, no matter what. That pushes Hoover down to #6 at best.
However, Massillon should almost eclipse Hoover in points, as well. Now that means Hoover is down to #7 at best.
That means that AT LEAST four of the following five teams MUST lose to give Hoover any remote shot, as their mins all exceed Hoover's max: SJJ, Whitmer, Perrysburg, Wadsworth, and Hudson. If just two of them win, Hoover is out, assuming of course that Massillon's L2's pan out as expected. But if three win, Hoover is unquestionably out.
However, there is more. Not only must at least four of those lose, but you need further help. Should Start, Steele, or Elyria win, they could all eclipse Hoover, too - so Hoover's gotta hope the L2's rack up for the Vikes, but not for those teams.
The good news is that of the top 16 teams in the region, only one team (Fremont Ross) has a pushover game this weekend. Thus, anything can happen.
I'll be online after the game Friday night (even if Jackson loses - wah!!), updating all Harbins to see where thing shake out. Do note that the Mass-McK will VERY MUCH affect things on Saturday, plus there are a few other L2's that will be affected by some other games on Saturday.
McK, Ross, Perry, Brunswick and Medina will all finish better than Hoover, no matter what. That pushes Hoover down to #6 at best.
However, Massillon should almost eclipse Hoover in points, as well. Now that means Hoover is down to #7 at best.
That means that AT LEAST four of the following five teams MUST lose to give Hoover any remote shot, as their mins all exceed Hoover's max: SJJ, Whitmer, Perrysburg, Wadsworth, and Hudson. If just two of them win, Hoover is out, assuming of course that Massillon's L2's pan out as expected. But if three win, Hoover is unquestionably out.
However, there is more. Not only must at least four of those lose, but you need further help. Should Start, Steele, or Elyria win, they could all eclipse Hoover, too - so Hoover's gotta hope the L2's rack up for the Vikes, but not for those teams.
The good news is that of the top 16 teams in the region, only one team (Fremont Ross) has a pushover game this weekend. Thus, anything can happen.
I'll be online after the game Friday night (even if Jackson loses - wah!!), updating all Harbins to see where thing shake out. Do note that the Mass-McK will VERY MUCH affect things on Saturday, plus there are a few other L2's that will be affected by some other games on Saturday.
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One l2 of great importance is the Canadian team on Mass. schedule. They play tonight so we shall see if things will be looking bright or even worse.
ejc1998 said:OK, so let's take a look at who those teams play...
1. Massillon plays McKinley - Advantage McKinley
2. Toledo St. John's plays 9-0 Toledo Central Catholic - Advantage Central Catholic
3. Toledo Whitmer plays Toledo Start - Advantage Whitmer
4. Perrysburg plays Sylvania Southview - Close game, but advantage Perrysburg
5. Wadsworth plays Tallmadge - too close to call :/
6. Hudson plays Nordonia - Advantage Nordonia
7. Elyria plays Medina - Close, but advantage Medina
8. Steele plays Avon Lake - too close to call :/
9. Toledo Start plays Toledo Whitmer - Advantage Whitmer
- 5 probable helping results
- Only 2 probable hurting results
- 2 that are too close to call
OK, for the L2s we need to look at the teams we have beaten...
CCC plays St Thomas Aquinas - too close to call :/
Collidge plays Cardozo - who knows? :/
Louisville plays Minerva - Advantage Louisville
Boardman plays Fitch - It would help slightly more if Fitch wins this game :/
Glenoak plays Perry - Advantage Perry
Looks like it is possible to pull off the first part, but the L2s are very questionable. Let's all root for Tallmadge and Avon Lake and hope we get some wins by the teams we have beaten.
I like Tallmadge over Wadsworth. Based on 2 things, its at Tallmadge and they have been playing well as of late. Wadsworth lost to Copley, which Tallmadge humilated. I know common opponents mean little, especially with rivalries. CalPreps has Tallamadge as 12 point favorites and their accuracy rate is above 80%.
I have Avon Lake over Amherst Steele. Avon Lake has played well lately, and save their Elyria debacle they have been competitive all year. They lost by 1 at D1 one-loss Broadview Heights 20-21 & 21-14 to Olmsted Falls. Meanwhile Amherst was obliterated by Olmsted Falls 55-14 and soundly defeated by Broadview Hts 26-6. Plus its at Avon Lake.
Coolidge is the iffy one, even though CalPreps has them winning by 31, I'll believe it when I see it on joeeitel.com saturday.
Louisville should win, while they are 4-5, they have been competitive in all 5 losses. 3 league losses by 1 point, 6 points and an OT loss. Although a bad Minerva team has handled Louisville in the past (1999 27-21 loss, and again in 2000 with a 27-9 loss to Minerva).
We need Medina to win, but that is awfully close to call. I kind of see Elyria winning this, but I hope I'm wrong.
Perrysburg probably wins, just because its at home. I remember 2001(?) when Perrysburg had a chance at a playoff spot but lost in the final week. Where's Bill Murray when you need him? Time to pop in "Groundhog Day".