Cleveland Browns 2025 Edition

Pickett is out most likely, but there are a lot of factors that need to play out.

I don't get the Gabriel pick but they obviously see something I don't.

Flacco is the number 1 right now but could easily replace Pickett as the guy out. Flacco will always have that end of the year run in 2023 that makes him a new Browns legend but the reality of his age may come into play quickly in the preseason. If it's clear in the preseason that Flacco is regressing faster than expected I don't think they'll keep him, and so Pickett stays. But that's going to be quite the predicament to be in. Pickett most likely starts and the media will be all over this team with the Sanders watch.
 
Don't sleep on Gabriel. He was a winner at UCF and Oregon. Everyone seems to remember the playoff game vs OSU where he was running for his life. Yes he's 5-11 but he's a gamer.
I do like this about him. But I think he's going to have a much more challenging time getting over his height problem in Cleveland compared to another team. The DTR fiasco hurts a guy like Gabriel even though they aren't comparable players. If DTR is listed as 6'2" I don't believe that Gabriel is actually 5'11"

If he can play he should be playing, it's that simple.
 
Mel was right and wrong. Sanders was not worthy of second overall, IMO, but no way should he have lasted to the fifth round based on ability. Whether it was his own personality, or fear of dealing with Deion, something dropped Sanders in the draft unrelated to his actual skillset and production. If Sanders plays up to Mel’s evaluation the Browns will have pulled off a Russell Wilson/Brock Purdy miracle. If not, it was only a fifth rounder.
I don't see the evidence of Sanders' ability to watch a defense get lined up and change the play to protect himself and grab a small gain. I see a dude with fine ball skills, that has had professional private coaching since probably 6 yrs old, getting pounded repeatedly for losses. I find that very concerning. Give me a few cowboy picks.
 
I don't see the evidence of Sanders' ability to watch a defense get lined up and change the play to protect himself and grab a small gain. I see a dude with fine ball skills, that has had professional private coaching since probably 6 yrs old, getting pounded repeatedly for losses. I find that very concerning. Give me a few cowboy picks.
We have to hope that this experience gets him back down to earth and he learns from it. It seems like he's serious about football now, but we will see. I'm reminded of a Cam Ward video with him. Ward doesn't want to make music with Sanders and just says that he's a football player and that's it.

There's no doubt he has the tools to be successful. But if football isn't his number 1 focus he's doomed anyway even with all he has. Hope him slipping to the 5th round is a turning point for his football career. Only he can answer the questions about him with how he plays. He will likely get his chance at some point in the fall.
 
I don't get the Gabriel pick but they obviously see something I don't.
How different would things be if Gabriel would have chosen Ohio State over Oregon? Ohio State wanted him before Howard. I think Ohio State wouldn't have lost to Oregon during the season.
"Dillon Gabriel Had Conversations with Ohio State in the Transfer Portal, But Decided Oregon Had “Everything That I Was Looking For” Ohio State had conversations with Dillon Gabriel about becoming its quarterback for the 2024 season before Will Howard transferred to OSU.Jul 25, 2024"
 
I am rooting for Gabriel, since he is taking so much ridicule from the ignorant Cleveland and national sports radio hosts. I hope he fits better than Sanders and that the Browns can, for the first time in years, go into the season without a polarizing and controversial figure at in the qb room.
IF Baker is regarded as “polarizing and controversial” in that assessment, I would like to add that most of the negative polarity and controversy surrounding Baker originated from OUTSIDE of the quarterback room ;)
 
IF Baker is regarded as “polarizing and controversial” in that assessment, I would like to add that most of the negative polarity and controversy surrounding Baker originated from OUTSIDE of the quarterback room ;)
The only assessment is from the outside, since I have no knowledge of what locker room attitudes are. This is from some fans and , especially, the press.
 
IF Baker is regarded as “polarizing and controversial” in that assessment, I would like to add that most of the negative polarity and controversy surrounding Baker originated from OUTSIDE of the quarterback room ;)
Baker was an immature d!*k and the team did not have an adequate veteran base or a strong enough head coach to "show him the way." That same weakness allowed him to make the call to play through an injury that was obviously hurting his play. Bouncing around helped him grow up and humbled him.
 
Baker was an immature d!*k and the team did not have an adequate veteran base or a strong enough head coach to "show him the way." That same weakness allowed him to make the call to play through an injury that was obviously hurting his play. Bouncing around helped him grow up and humbled him.
yes he was, but I think that OBJ had some crap that helped divide the Lockeroom....but i wish we had the Baker that the Buccs have no playing QB....
 
yes he was, but I think that OBJ had some crap that helped divide the Lockeroom....but i wish we had the Baker that the Buccs have no playing QB....
Agreed. He was not the entire problem. They could have won with Baker. They'd certainly win now with Baker. Instead, they casted him aside for a pervert with obvious legal issues that hadn't played in a year, was facing a suspension, didn't want to come to Cleveland in the first place and had quit on his former team.
 
The only assessment is from the outside, since I have no knowledge of what locker room attitudes are. This is from some fans and , especially, the press.
True as well, but I am referring to the source of the friction. I don’t think he had any haters in the quarterback room.
 
Baker this Baker that. The reality is Baker is winning somewhere else. That's a indictment on how the Browns are run. Whatever insider info you have doesn't beat the fact that they can't win without Flacco going on a crazy run and then crapping out in the playoffs. That's the state of the team.

Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders, hell, even Watson. They all have a chance this year. We've heard about the "long term" or "rebuilding" things for so long (going on three decades), but can any of them play? That's what should matter. 5 QBs, play the best one and roll with it. It's nothing we aren't used to at this point.
 
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The Cleveland Browns certainly had a wild NFL Draft, making multiple trades and ultimately landing Shedeur Sanders in the fifth round. I don't think anyone had that on their bingo card.

But while the Browns stole headlines, they didn't exactly target all of their needs in the draft, and that's understandable. After all, they just went 3-14. You can't expect them to fill all of their holes in one fell swoop.

However, there is no doubt that there are still some areas Cleveland needs to address following the draft, and here are three position groups in particular that the Browns need to manage.

Wide receiver

It seemed like a given that Cleveland would draft a wide receiver at some point, especially considering that most felt Travis Hunter to the Browns was a foregone conclusion.

Instead, Cleveland traded out of the No. 2 overall pick, landed at No. 5 and took defensive tackle Mason Graham. The Browns then passed up on multiple opportunities to select a receiver throughout the rest of the draft, particularly in the fourth round when they doubled down at running back.

This was an incredibly deep class for wide outs, so it certainly seems like a missed opportunity for Cleveland. Right now, the Browns have next to no proven talent behind Jerry Jeudy at the position, unless you count Cedric Tillman, who showed flashes in 2024.

What will Cleveland do now? Will it attempt to land Keenan Allen? Will it explore a reunion with Amari Cooper? Or will the Browns punt on a receiver altogether? Whatever they do, they need to rectify the issue at some point, or just hope youngsters like Tillman and Jamari Thrash break out.

Offensive line

A couple of years ago, Cleveland actually boasted one of the best offensive lines in football, but things certainly took a turn for the worse in 2024.

Injuries absolutely played a role, but with many of the Browns' offensive linemen aging, that shouldn't come as much of a surprise. They are returning much of the same unit for 2025, but is that really the best way to go?

Cleveland should have absolutely looked to add some depth in the draft, but the Browns didn't select a single offensive lineman. They do have massive international lineman Roy Mbaeteka on the roster, and perhaps they are hoping that a young player like Zak Zinter will step up.

But there is no question that there is reason for trepidation about Cleveland in the trenches, as the Browns took a significant step back in that area last season. Be on the lookout for Cleveland potentially bringing back Jedrick Wills, who remains unsigned.

Cornerback

On the surface, the Browns look pretty set at cornerback. Denzel Ward is elite, and Greg Newsome II and Martin Emerson Jr. are at least serviceable. But a deeper dive into the position reveals that Cleveland actually needs help there.

Ward has now suffered six concussions during his NFL career, which definitely makes his future a bit murky. Meanwhile, both Newsome and Emerson—who each struggled in 2024—are slated to hit free agency next March. It seems unlikely the Browns will re-sign both of them.

There were a bunch of intriguing cornerbacks available in this year's draft class, so to see the Browns not even nab one was a bit surprising. Heck, there were some who felt Cleveland might even take a corner over the first couple of rounds.

Maybe a youngster like Cameron Mitchell emerges in 2025. Otherwise, the Browns will certainly find themselves in need of cornerback assistance sooner rather than later.
 
Baker was an immature d!*k and the team did not have an adequate veteran base or a strong enough head coach to "show him the way." That same weakness allowed him to make the call to play through an injury that was obviously hurting his play. Bouncing around helped him grow up and humbled him.
That's the narrative. I want you to think about the bolded above before accepting that narrative. Not his call. If he is permitted to make the call, the team has a bigger problem than a shoulder brace. "Baker's ceiling" and try-hard-itude should not have been a problem. If some rostered racist "chafes" over a white rah-rah try-hard, so what ?

Dorsey picking around Baker was the way. We roster-suicided again instead. If Andrew Berry was white, he'd be 2 years gone today.
 
That's the narrative. I want you to think about the bolded above before accepting that narrative. Not his call. If he is permitted to make the call, the team has a bigger problem than a shoulder brace. "Baker's ceiling" and try-hard-itude should not have been a problem. If some rostered racist "chafes" over a white rah-rah try-hard, so what ?

Dorsey picking around Baker was the way. We roster-suicided again instead. If Andrew Berry was white, he'd be 2 years gone today.

It absolutely was Baker’s call, just follow the $$$. In 2021 Baker was entering his 4th season with the Browns coming off a 11-5 2020 season & a 1st round playoff win over the Steelers. The Browns exercised Baker’s 5th year rookie option for $18.9 mil but did not extend him to a long term contract. Baker was playing the 2021 season for an extension which would have been in the neighborhood of 4 years for $125+ mil with $75+ mil of it guaranteed. Did the Browns do Baker no favor by trotting him out there injured? No, but in the end it was Baker’s decision.

Baker would never have become the player he is today without the trade to Carolina, getting cut, playing & winning a game with the Rams on 24 hours preparation and taking a chance & signing with TB.

No one has better commercials than Baker and I think he will be great on tv once he’s retired. Baker has developed into a solid 10-14 NFL starting qb.
 
It absolutely was Baker’s call, just follow the $$$.
Idiotic. If the same scenario was unfolding in Pittsburgh, it would never be Baker's call, would it ? GTHOOH.

In 2021 Baker was entering his 4th season with the Browns coming off a 11-5 2020 season & a 1st round playoff win over the Steelers. The Browns exercised Baker’s 5th year rookie option for $18.9 mil but did not extend him to a long term contract. Baker was playing the 2021 season for an extension. Did the Browns do Baker no favor by trotting him out there injured? No, but in the end it was Baker’s decision.
Kevin had Keenum on the bench. Kevin as OC was told to win with Keenum and the Vikes while Cousins was hurt, he did it, and made the playoffs. Stop it. IDIOTIC!!
Baker would never have become the player he is today without the trade to Carolina, getting cut, playing & winning a game with the Rams on 24 hours preparation and taking a chance & signing with TB.

No one has better commercials than Baker and I think he will be great on tv once he’s retired. Baker has developed into a solid 10-14 NFL starting qb.
More of the same stupid narrative. You don't even know what a head coach is, apparently. Just stop the BS.
 
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That's the narrative. I want you to think about the bolded above before accepting that narrative. Not his call. If he is permitted to make the call, the team has a bigger problem than a shoulder brace. "Baker's ceiling" and try-hard-itude should not have been a problem. If some rostered racist "chafes" over a white rah-rah try-hard, so what ?

Dorsey picking around Baker was the way. We roster-suicided again instead. If Andrew Berry was white, he'd be 2 years gone today.
We'll never know whose call it was but it was obvious that it was impacting his play and at that point you shut him down if you have any confidence in your veteran backup.
 
We'll never know whose call it was but it was obvious that it was impacting his play and at that point you shut him down if you have any confidence in your veteran backup.
Kevin had Keenum on the bench. Kevin as OC was told to win with Keenum and the Vikes while Cousins was hurt, he did it, and made the playoffs. Less than 2 years previous to when Baker should have sat down, if memory serves.

Kevin, and/or someone, wanted Baker to fail. QB1 is his call. Playing "Survivor" games, instead of trying to win football games.

I think Kevin and Berry had different reasons for wanting to dump Baker. I don't think Kev realized that the Berry QB "had to be" a black guy, and could be a broken and washed up pervert. Kevin just wanted a new QB.
 
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Idiotic. If the same scenario was unfolding in Pittsburgh, it would never be Baker's call, would it ? GTHOOH.


Kevin had Keenum on the bench. Kevin as OC was told to win with Keenum and the Vikes while Cousins was hurt, he did it, and made the playoffs. Stop it.

More of the same stupid narrative. You don't even know what a head coach is, apparently. Just stop the BS.

No it probably wouldn’t have happened in Pittsburgh, it’s a far more stable franchise.

You are emotional and wrong. Baker absolutely wanted to play furrow reasons:
1) he is competitive as is most nfl players.
2) the looming contract extension for millions of dollars.

Case Keenum had a nice one year run in Minnesota (11-3) which he was two years removed from. 2019 was by far Keenum best career year and it’s tough to duplicate that. For Keenum career he was 30-36 as a starter or 19-33 excluding 2019. He was 2-0 with Cleveland in 2021 with a 17-14 week 7 win over Denver and a week 17 meaningless game vs 21-16 w over the Bengals.

If Stefanski thought they had a better chance with Keenum, he would have gone with him. In 2021 Cleveland was 8-9, 6-8 with Baker starting.

Follow the $$$ and try to understand football, the $$$ involved and how it also affects decisions by organizations & players.
 
No it probably wouldn’t have happened in Pittsburgh, it’s a far more stable franchise.

You are emotional and wrong. Baker absolutely wanted to play furrow reasons:
1) he is competitive as is most nfl players.
2) the looming contract extension for millions of dollars.

Case Keenum had a nice one year run in Minnesota (11-3) which he was two years removed from.
Closer to 18 months. One full season+, between Cousins' return to the Vikes and Baker's injury.
2019 was by far Keenum best career year and it’s tough to duplicate that.
No one claimed that he had to 🤷‍♂️ Not a reason to play Baker.

For Keenum career he was 30-36 as a starter or 19-33 excluding 2019. He was 2-0 with Cleveland in 2021 with a 17-14 week 7 win over Denver and a week 17 meaningless game vs 21-16 w over the Bengals.
The numbered items are the "cool facts" part of your typical beginning in attempt to sway the reader.
If Stefanski thought they had a better chance with Keenum, he would have gone with him.

This is the "pile of crap" portion. Stop
In 2021 Cleveland was 8-9, 6-8 with Baker starting.

Follow the $$$ and try to understand football, the $$$ involved and how it also affects decisions by organizations & players.
I do. They made a stupid decision, for the wrong reasons. That's the entire point. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Closer to 18 months. One full season+, between Cousins' return to the Vikes and Baker's injury.

No one claimed that he had to 🤷‍♂️ Not a reason to play Baker.


The numbered items are the "cool facts" part of your typical beginning in attempt to sway the reader.


This is the pile of crap

I do. They made a stupid decision, for the wrong reasons. That's the entire point. 🤷‍♂️

Again, you are far too emotional. To think Case Keemun is the answer is wishful thinking. There is a reason why the Browns are what they are for the last 3+ decades. “Cool facts” are what they are - facts.
 
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