Wyoming is probably the closest example we have to Beechwood's academic and athletic achievements. Speaking of the two, Bernie was at the game Friday. Wyoming pays the excessive taxes but what if the OOD kid is paying 'tuition' to attend? I think Beechwood's is somewhere around $4,500. My buddy told me once but I forget. I know it's a little more than what I was paying for private school when my kids were young.
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93 red ls
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I disagree with this.
Mainly b/c look at the state of DP's Bball program after. DP winning a state title didnt put DP on the map. It put them on the internet for gentry lying but no one pressed the issue with OHSAA. 1/2 the kids Gentry/DP claimed were "homeless" rode the 17 every day and got off in college hill to go to their families place. DP had a lot to lose. And it been proved by where the program is today and where it will be in 10 years from now.
Wyoming was already on the map for their winning tradition in football , their regular season win streak (which was one of the longest in state history) and the way their community back their athletic programs as a whole.
The same people who supported DP basketball while they Stole a state title where are they today? b/c I have been to DP's gym 10+ times since then for basketball events and they aren't there.
93 red ls
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there are ways to combat that though.
Three Rivers was in the same boat with that very thing you mention. We now charge for open enrollment. has been this way the past 2 years I believe.
The point I raised had nothing to do with your first paragraph or actually much of anything you went on in your rant. The point again - Why wouldn't a school district copy Beechwood's model - which is legal, has been in place for decades, and clearly works and works well - Academically, Athletically, and Extracurricularly. The reference to Wyoming and Deer Park was simply to explain that when a community has a team, especially in a sport like football or basketball, that makes a state title run, the energy, passion, pride, excitement that exists in that community skyrockets. Wyoming is historically good at everything but that state championship season, the community felt different. Imagine if that was something you felt or got to be a part of consistently???? 21 state finals in football the past 50 years. On average, every other year they are playing for a state championship. The Band has 11 state titles and a couple national championships....didn't know there was such a thing for HS band.
So again, there is very little to lose and a whole lot, IMO, that could be gained by copying what Beechwood does. I'm curious why schools haven't/wouldn't take a serious look into it. Pagan brought up 1 point about the taxes and resentment of those kids/families but if a family is charged tuition to be an open enrollee, they are still paying. Wrestling coach at Indian Hill said they won't want to water down academics and worry about behaviors. Beechwood has a screening process and they are a blue ribbon school so it's not like their academics are suffering due to their open enrollment process.
The feeling in Wyoming was so electric in the year of their state title run (and I'd argue just as strong again in '22, when they lost in the state championship game) in large part because the community knew it was their kids out there representing a 2x2 square mile community. Wyoming residents take a lot of pride in the fact that their teams compete at a high level without any loopholes. Their teams are made up of kids from the community representing the community. Some years, like last year, you have a roster of circa 40 kids and guess what - Aaron Hancock and his outstanding staff still take that team to the regional championship game. One problem with Ohio high school sports is schools like Wyoming eventually run into the likes of Glenville or Alter, the two schools they lost to in the state championship and regional championship games the past 2 years, that don't have the same geographical limitations. Some states have different playoffs for private and public schools....just saying. Would it be great to win state every year? I guess so. But is it really going to be the "same feeling" as when your kids, many of whom have been playing sports and going to school together since they were little kids, did it as a team? Give me consistently good teams that win together and lose together, with occasional, magical moments of brilliance over ho-hum state title runs year in and year out if it means losing the essence of what it means to be a team that represents your community. No thanks.
I don’t think any school could just choose to duplicate what Beechwood has. In fact, what does Beechwood do that any private school doesn’t do? Tuition paying students and admission standards. Should work for any of them but it doesn’t. Beechwood is a unicorn. Highlands almost matched Beechwood’s success for many years but they have fallen off a little recently. I just don’t see any school anywhere just deciding to be another Beechwood.
Beechwood is 1 of 1 in Kentucky because they hardly have to compete against any other upper-middle class suburban schools of their size. Most of their competition on the state level comes from poor rural county schools or from small towns. Football is not as competitive state-wide in KY as it is in OH as well.
4GX
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The renovations are complete replacement of all three elementary school buildings.
I think Bernie Berrie, for whom the Wyoming field is now named, may have coached at Beechmont before coming to Wyoming.
Bernie was at the Beechwood game last Friday.
But they also play the 6A schools (Simon Kenton, Dixie, Campbell County) and win. I get the post season is helped a little by playing small schools from the hollers of Eastern KY but they are consistently beating schools 3-4x their size and doing it convincingly.
Public schools that do it seem to be much better at doing it, especially at the small school level - Coldwater, Marion Local (I think the entire MAC conference actually), Kirtland, even the teams that beat Wyoming in the finals - Girard & Glenville. All open Enrollment schools.
This is a great point and possibly the main reason why a school wouldn't consider it. That connection as a small community is great to have but I don't think you lose the 'essence of what it means to be a team that represents your community.' Not after being in the environment around Beechwood last Friday. The entire stadium, school grounds, community were buzzing and the overall experience was sensational
And it's easy to say this at a place like Wyoming, who's football team ahs played in 5 semi's the past 7 years or something like that. What about a place like Madeira, or Mariemont, Indian Hill - places that don't have the same level of success that Wyoming does
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Purcell Marian 19 - Madeira 0 Halftime
Deer Park 27 - Norwood 0 3Q
Deer Park 27 - Norwood 0 3Q
93 red ls
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So here is my take on wk 1-3 in the CHL
Wyoming is 3-0 but didn't play anyone to really challenge them. (If they face taft in the playoffs, taft wins by 20)
IH vs a REALLY good Harrison squad (DD still ran for 180 and 2 TD)
Madeira can't tell who they are at 2-1 ? Beat Shawnee, then lost to a PM team that is with out their best 2 players from a year ago
Taylor - beat a bad Woodward team. Only gave up 22 pts in 3 games (lowest in CHL)
DP- beat Maybe the worst 2 teams in OHSAA (Belmont and Norwood) may only win 1 more all year.
Reading - Batavia loss I have no idea what happened. Aiken took them to OT. They seem to be throwing the more more than they normally do?
Mariemont- are what we thought they were not very good.
Finneytown- thank God they beat Lockland may be their only win of the year.
Wyoming is 3-0 but didn't play anyone to really challenge them. (If they face taft in the playoffs, taft wins by 20)
IH vs a REALLY good Harrison squad (DD still ran for 180 and 2 TD)
Madeira can't tell who they are at 2-1 ? Beat Shawnee, then lost to a PM team that is with out their best 2 players from a year ago
Taylor - beat a bad Woodward team. Only gave up 22 pts in 3 games (lowest in CHL)
DP- beat Maybe the worst 2 teams in OHSAA (Belmont and Norwood) may only win 1 more all year.
Reading - Batavia loss I have no idea what happened. Aiken took them to OT. They seem to be throwing the more more than they normally do?
Mariemont- are what we thought they were not very good.
Finneytown- thank God they beat Lockland may be their only win of the year.
Gee, someone predicting Taft would beat Wyoming?? Sounds familiar. Same prediction in '22 and WYO beat Taft twice. Everyone predicted WYO couldn't beat Taft again last year, and WYO handled Taft at Stargell. 1-0 mentality each week and IF that matchup happens, then we'll see what happens. Lots of football between now and then.
Don’t take it personal.
93 red ls
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GreenGoblin
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Yeah, CJ Hester isn’t walking through that door. Easy to be confident in what Taft has done because their schedule is battle tested. Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen. Hard to tell how good they actually are.My bad bud this is the internet
Don't take it so personal.
Refuting what you said by presenting facts is not taking something personally. It's called a contrary opinion. It's laughable to think that you can come on a message board, make a score prediction and then think nobody will disagree with you.My bad bud this is the internet
Don't take it so personal.
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When a student changes public school districts their funding goes with them. Now for sports or extra curricular a district can charge but all students pay the same.
It’s the snarky sarcasm that differentiates hurt feelings from “presenting facts”.
4GX
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"Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen."-- really, the easiest achedule you've ever seen?
Where would you rank the difficulty of Wyoming's first 3 non-league games among the CHL schools this year? Other than IH playing Harrison (and getting thoroughly routed by a "mid" Division II team that almost never goes anywhere in the playoffs-- which probably tells you that IH ain't going anywhere in the playoffs in Division III), WHO in the CHL has played anyone of note?
4GX
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I'd argue that the "snarky sarcasm" just comes with the territory-- this is meaningless, sports message board time sink-- and the poster was trying to post something slightly memorable as a retort-- HARDLY that the poster betrayed "hurt feelings"-- that level of unfounded psychoanalysis of that post is well off the mark.It’s the snarky sarcasm that differentiates hurt feelings from “presenting facts”.
If it’s meaningless why the need to defend him?